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CBS, Fox reports on town hall disruptions ignore conservative strategy

August 05, 2009 11:56 am ET — 59 Comments

On August 4, Katie Couric joined repeat offender Bret Baier in reporting on unusually large -- and sometimes disruptive -- crowds turning out to protest health care reform at town halls hosted by members of Congress without noting that conservative organizations opposed to Democrats' proposals -- boosted by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity -- are conducting a campaign to pack those events with their supporters. For the second night in a row, Baier reported on the protests but ignored the conservative strategy to pack town hall events with health care reform opponents.

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Couric, Baier: Town halls packed with health reform opponents, explanations "deafened" by "roaring chants"

Couric: Members "getting an earful" from those opposed to health reform; "at least 200 showed up" at recent town meeting. Couric reported: "[M]embers of Congress are getting an earful from constituents opposed to the president's plan. Many of them worried about the price tag and who will pay for it." She then aired clips of people at a Mississippi town meeting saying, "I don't see how they can put another government-funded health care plan out there and efficiently run it," and, "We can't spend any more money. We've got to stop altogether." Couric noted, "That town meeting in Mississippi normally draws a couple of dozen people. Last night, though, at least 200 showed up." [CBS Evening News with Katie Couric; 8/4/09]

Baier: Dem rep "got an ... earful" from "overflow crowd"; "roaring chants deafened" attempts to explain health reform. Baier reported: "Wisconsin Democratic Congressman Steve Kagen got an ear fill -- earful, rather -- during a town hall meeting in Green Bay Monday night. An overflow crowd jammed a public library, most to voice strong opposition to current plans for health care reform." After airing a brief clip from the meeting, Baier noted, "The Green Bay Post Press-Gazette [sic] reports, quote, 'If the event were a shouting match, the mob won. Kagen tried talking about the health care bill but the roaring chants deafened his attempts. Several elderly people covered their ears and grimaced at the level of noise.' " He added, "While you can see there and throughout the country, many people do oppose health care reform because of a belief it gives the government too much power. There are those who think current proposals do not go far enough, however. Liberals and others want the government to run almost everything." [Fox News' Special Report with Bret Baier; 8/4/09]

Baier reported on "public venting" at health care town halls for the second night in a row. The previous night -- August 3 -- Baier reported on the "public venting" occurring at town hall meetings, while correspondent Shannon Bream stated that "skeptical Americans across the country are pushing back" against the legislation. As Media Matters for America documented, Baier ignored the conservative strategy to pack town hall events with health care opponents with the support of conservative media figures and outlets like Limbaugh and the Fox Nation. [Special Report; 8/3/09]

Couric, Baier ignored conservative strategy to pack town halls with health reform opponents

NY Times: Town hall protests organized by groups including FreedomWorks, Americans for Prosperity. The New York Times reported: "The [health care reform] protests, organized by loose-knit coalition of conservative voters and advocacy groups, were a raucous start to what is expected to be weeks of political and ideological clashes over the health care overhaul President Obama is trying to push through Congress. The conservative groups, including FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity, are harnessing social networking Web sites to organize their supporters in much the same way Mr. Obama did during his election campaign." [The New York Times; 8/3/09]

  • FreedomWorks VP encouraged town hall protests. In an August 3 blog post on the website of FreedomWorks, a group chaired by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX), Max Pappas, a vice president of the group, linked to video of protesters disrupting a June 22 town hall meeting for Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) and said: "Members of the US House of Representatives are back home for August recess and are getting an earful from their constituents about current plans for a massive government intervention into health care and attempts to raise taxes on energy use through cap-and-trade." He added: "[B]e sure to show up, bring some friends, and them know what you think."
  • FreedomWorks campaign coordinatior: Disruption of Specter town hall "a must emulate." In an August 3 blog post, FreedomWorks campaign coordinator Nan Swift linked to video of protesters interrupting Sen. Arlen Specter's (D-PA) town hall in Philadelphia, stating it was "a must emulate at town halls across the country over the next month."
  • Americans for Prosperity reportedly conducting 13-state anti-health reform tour. "A 13-state tour aiming to rally patients to speak out against President Barack Obama's desired health-care overhaul is scheduled to kick off in Richmond this weekend. Americans for Prosperity's 'Patients First' bus tour will start Saturday at a Richmond-area Tea Party, before traveling around the country and through the states of key U.S. senators in the health-care debate, said Ben Marchi, state director of Americans for Prosperity. Organizers will urge constituents to call or visit their senators and sign a petition that asks members of Congress to 'oppose any legislation that imposes greater government control over my health care that would mean fewer choices for me and my family and even deny treatments to those in need.' " [Richmond Times-Dispatch; 7/23/09]

Conservatives for Patients' Rights (CPR) reportedly "confirmed that it has undertaken a concerted effort to get people out to the town hall meetings to protest reform." Greg Sargent reported: "In response to my questions, a spokesman for the group confirmed that it has undertaken a concerted effort to get people out to the town hall meetings to protest reform. The spokesperson, Brian Burgess, confirmed that CPR is emailing out 'town hall alert' flyers, and schedules of town hall meetings, to its mailing list. These efforts -- combined with CPR's effort to enlist Tea Party-ers, as reported yesterday by TPM -- provide a glimpse into the ways anti-reform groups are trying to create a sense of public momentum in their favor. CPR spokesman Burgess confirmed that the group had set up a list serv designed to reach out to 'third party groups' involved in the health care fight, including the Tea Party activists. And in a statement emailed to me, Scott, who was ousted as a health-care exec amid a 1990s fraud probe, took credit for the town hall showings." [Sargent, The Plum Line; 8/4/09]

Tea party protester, conservative PAC founder authored memo calling for people to disrupt town halls. A memorandum authored by Robert MacGuffie, a conservative activist, "Tea Party Patriot," and co-founder of the conservative PAC RightPrinciples.com, described a "potential playbook" to put members of Congress "on the defensive" at town hall meetings. The memo urged people to "yell out" repeatedly and reportedly circulated among anti-reform groups. From the memo:

You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep's presentation. Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep's statements early. If he blames Bush for something or offers other excuses -- call him on it, yell back and have someone else follow-up with a shout-out. Don't carry on and make a scene -- just short intermittent shout outs. The purpose is to make him uneasy early on and set the tone for the hall as clearly informal, and free-wheeling. It will also embolden others who agree with us to call out and challenge with tough questions. The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right down. Look for those opportunities before he even takes questions. [MacGuffie memorandum]

Anti-health care reform protesters using same disruption tactics as birthers:

  • Birthers disrupted a congressional town hall. "At a town hall meeting in Georgetown [Delaware], a woman demanded to know why [Rep. Mike] Castle and his colleagues were 'ignoring' questions about Obama's birth certificate -- questions that have been put to rest repeatedly by state officials in Hawaii, where the birth certificate and all other credible evidence show that Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. When Castle countered that Obama is, in fact, 'a citizen of the United States,' the crowd erupted in boos, the woman seized control of the gathering and led a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance." [Politico; 7/27/09]
  • Birther "ringleader" Orly Taitz called on people to "demand action" on birth certificate at town halls. "Moments after speaking with POLITICO Saturday, Taitz posted a call to arms on her blog: 'I believe it is a serious concern and I hope that each and every decent American comes to town hall meetings with a video camera and demands action,' she wrote." [Politico; 7/27/09]

Conservative media have expressed support for town hall disruptions

Rush Limbaugh: Town hall protesters doing "exactly what Obama taught people to do ... disrupt 'em." Limbaugh defended the town hall protesters as being "orderly people," not the "unruly mobs" he claims Democrats are describing them as. He continued: "These are genuine voting American citizens. It is -- what these Democrats are accusing you of doing, who go to these town hall meetings, is exactly what Obama taught people to do. He's the community agitator. He's the community organizer. Obama is the guy who taught people how to show up at events like this over and over again and rip 'em apart and tear 'em down, disrupt 'em, and make sure they don't happen. And now the tables have been turned. It's happening to him, only this time, it's not ginned up; it's genuine. It's real." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show; 8/4/09]

Limbaugh: If town hall disruptions are "an orchestrated event," it's "about damn time." On August 3, Limbaugh offered his "reaction" to a caller who noted that media outlets have reported the town hall protests are coordinated: "About damn time. We have had groups like ACORN and Democrat rent-a-mobs making up excuses and lying about things they oppose to affect public policy for years, while people like me haven't had time because we work. We do not protest for a living. We do not rent ourselves out to be part of mobs. So, if this is actually an orchestrated event, then I'm glad somebody on our side's getting in gear." Limbaugh later added: "It doesn't matter to me one way or the other [if the protests are coordinated]. The people who are showing up are genuinely angry. And if their transportation is being facilitated -- about damn time. You've got to take these people on the way they play the game. The aggressor sets the rules in a conflict." [The Rush Limbaugh Show; 8/3/09]

Hannity: Recess "creates the best opportunity for people to go like they did to Claire McCaskill's town hall meeting." On July 29, Hannity said: "There's going to be no floor vote immediately" on health care reform "so members have time to go home and read the bill, which, by the way, creates the best opportunity for people to go like they did to Claire McCaskill's town hall meeting or go to [Rep. Russ] Carnahan's town hall meeting or go show up wherever there's any representative. That -- this is your moment, your opportunity to stop this thing." [ABC Radio Networks and Premiere Radio Networks' The Sean Hannity Show; 7/29/09]

Hannity: "Now, so far at these town hall meetings, you're doing terrific." Following reports of several town hall disruptions occurring nationwide, Hannity declared on August 3: "This is what's going to stop this. You are. You're gonna make it happen." He went on to say: "Now, so far at these town hall meetings, you're doing terrific. You're standing up to these bureaucrats. You're standing up to their phony platitudes, talking points, and bumper stickers. The polls are now turning against Obama, [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi, and [Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid, so now they're bringing out their own pollster to lie to you and find out a way how they can win the PR battle, and they're telling them that they've got to attack the insurance companies." [The Sean Hannity Show; 8/3/09]

Fox & Friends host Johnson to protesters: "[W]e thank you for representing Americans, and we hope that other Americans get out there." From Fox & Friends' guest co-host Peter Johnson's interview of two people who said they questioned Specter and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius at the Philadelphia town hall event:

CAROL O'BRIEN: I think they were -- well, personally, I think they were very unprepared for that meeting. I think they were asked questions, and they did not have valid responses. They stayed on message. Even though part of my question -- I asked them please not to insult my intelligence by staying on message, but to give us an honest answer. They did not do that. And I think if you look at their facial expressions during the town hall meeting, you could tell that they were not happy with the response of the crowd.

JOHNSON: Well, O'Briens, we're all looking for honest answers, and we thank you for representing Americans, and we hope that other Americans get out there and voice their opinions. Let's check in with you as time goes on and see what kind of progress we are making. John and Carol O'Brien, thank you so much. [Fox & Friends; 8/4/09]

Fox News' Doocy: "If you want to contact your congressmembers and sound off, go to FoxNation.com." During a segment on the Philadelphia town hall, Steve Doocy suggested people go to FoxNation.com to contact members of Congress: "That's right. So, anyway, if you want to contact your congressmembers and sound off, go to FoxNation.com. It is a great interactive website where you can sound off, and you'll also find your lawmakers' phone numbers and email there. Hmm, very handy. [Fox & Friends; 8/3/09]

Fox onscreen text: "Hold Congress accountable! Now is the time to speak your mind."

Fox Nation: "More Town Hall Opposition! Watch This!"

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    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (August 05, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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      One expects Fox to flog their own propaganda, but as for Katie, she needs to get the sheol out of journalism and get a real job for once in her miserable life...
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 05, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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        Hey, give her credit: She saved us from a Sarah Palin vice-presidency!
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    • Author by markbfoot199 (August 05, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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      Can you promise me that I will not lose my current plan and doctor? President Obama says it is “not legitimate” to claim the “public option is somehow a Trojan horse for a single-payer system.” But Reps. Barney Frank (D-MA), Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), and Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman have all admitted that the public option will inevitably lead to government-run health care. The independent and non-partisan Lewin Group estimates that about 83.4 million people would lose their private insurance if Obamacare became law.

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      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (August 05, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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        The independent and non-partisan Lewin Group


        Bwahahahahahaha! "Independent--non-partisan"--bwahahahaha...*gasp*...tell me another one, markfootinmouth...
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 05, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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        How is government-run health care bad? Is the VA health care for the military bad? Is medicare for the elderly bad?

        (psst - when you cut and paste please provide a link so we know from which nutjob website it originated from)
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        • Author by highliter (August 05, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
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          LOL I take it you have never worked with the VA.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 05, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
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            Care to provide any facts to back up your assertion or are you just chuckling due to false superiority?
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          • Author by roundhouse (August 05, 2009 11:43 pm ET)
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            And I'm guessing you've never had to actually use your private plan.

            I have.

            It sucks and it's a relatively decent employer provided plan but the deductibles, co-pays and fees for service has steadily eroded our savings due to my wife's pregnancy. I'm taking on a second job and I had to swallow my pride today and go down to the family support center, aka welfare office, to apply for medicaid and food stamps.

            Way to go big insurance! They get to take a huge chunk out of my check, ration our care and put the expense of doing business on the shoulders of socialized medicine. What a great system you want to perpetuate. Corporations get to rake in record profits and you still get to help me pay for my new baby boy! Yippe!

            Douche bag.


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            • Author by truthisnotawhitelie (August 06, 2009 1:40 am ET)
                 
              I pay $10.00 copay to see the doctor. I don't have rationed care like what well be forced on me by this plan.

              I think the true fact to most of this is that you think you should be able to sit back don't do nothing and everyone one else well feed you with a silver spoon.

              Problem is not with the health care its with people that don't want to hold up their own responsibilities but force it on all of us who do.

              I won't lower myself like you did by calling you a Douche bag.
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              • Author by roundhouse (August 07, 2009 3:09 am ET)
                   
                Guess you didn't bother to read my post just below this one before you decided to throw all your stereotypes at me did you, douche bag?

                Just keep suckin' that corporate c--k. Maybe you'll earn yourself a favor.
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          • Author by roundhouse (August 06, 2009 12:36 am ET)
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            You seem to be disconnected from the bonds that tie humanity together in societies. You really have no concept of the way in which these insurance bureaucrats wreck the actual lives of working people or just how bad things are out here in the real world.

            And before you launch into some condescending lecture about how I should do more to advance myself you should know I've never been jobless since the age of sixteen. I'm 37 now, I have a degree in art and my wife is a veterinarian who can't buy a job in this economy.

            So go take a hike with your, "you're on your own," worldview and your defense for these merchants of death in the insurance industry who dictate, on a lark, to doctors and families what is, or is not, covered under their insurance scam.

            You really need to reconsider what it means to an American. You need to re-evaluate the words, "one nation, under God, indivisible; with liberty and justice for all."
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 06, 2009 11:04 am ET)
               
            "I take it you have never worked with the VA."

            Really, hi? You're really going to try and compare the VA healthcare system to the insurance companies? I can only assume you have no understanding of that which you speak.
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            • Author by highliter (August 06, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
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              FYI I deal with the VA on a daily basis I also deal with MMSO (Military Medical Support Offices) on a daily basis. The VA has notoriously long wait for care due to lack of doctors, and they aren’t exactly known for their superior care. MMSO is an absolute bureaucratic nightmare. You could not force me to go to the VA.
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              • Author by roundhouse (August 07, 2009 3:15 am ET)
                   
                You're a riot. Can't even address an actual example (mine) of how bad the very insurance industry you defend is.

                Cherry pickin' wimp.
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        • Author by DazedandConfused (August 05, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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          Are you kidding me ?

          Obviously you are not a Vet or have not read anything about the VA for that matter. The system is horrid and a disgrace to the brave men and women it serves. If you want to point to a system that works, please do not point to the VA - it is counter productive to the point you are trying to make.
          Oh yeah... and Medicare is BROKE.

          If Govt-run health care is such a good thing - and our private system such a bad thing - why is it that people from all over the world come to OUR system when the best care is needed? Why is it that Canadians and Brits ( both covered by a govt-run systems ) are coming to our private system to get the care their government either can not or will not offer ? I'll tell you why - because the single-payer system and nationalized health care do not work !
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          • Author by eweston8542983 (August 05, 2009 8:16 pm ET)
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            Yah I can see where their ready to throw their systems out to follow our capitalistic example. But I forget where, remind me of who's all fired up to do this?
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            • Author by oversees (August 07, 2009 7:01 am ET)
                 
              You obviously have only heard the stories that the opponents want you to hear and not the whole truth. First of all, very few have come from Canada to get health care in the US and from Britian almost none.

              Second of all, these are not the only two examples where the government has its hand in the health care system. For instance, I have been living in Germany for a number of years (due to marriage), and the system is directly influences but indirectly run by the government. They don't tell you which doctor to see and most people are insured by what one could see as government sanctioned public insurance companies.

              These companies cannot turn you down because of preexisting conditions and the cost is about 50% lower than that of the US. The health care is very good (I've had 3 kids here as well as having at least 4 operations on my kids and of course the usual doctor visits.)

              A doctor visit cost just 15 dollars and most medicines are free or with a 10% cost. The births of my kids and the operations did not cost us nothing. That means we get comparable health care in Germany for half the cost of the US. Because of this system, the lobby from the insurance companies are not as strong as in the States.

              You want to know is the health care rationed? Not any more than in the states. Yes, if you search the internet you WILL find some negative examples, but that is also easy to do in the US. But, according to the Word Health Organization (report from 2000 - will find the link soon) Germany, Canada, Britain, as well as all West European nations have a significantly LOWER preventable death rate than the US.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 05, 2009 9:32 pm ET)
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            Dazed - I think you'd better read this:

            Veterans continued to rate the care they receive through the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system higher than other Americans rate private-sector health care for the sixth consecutive year, a new annual report on customer satisfaction reveals.

            For VA Secretary R. James Nicholson, the news is affirmation of what he called "the greatest story never told," that the VA offers top-quality care for its patients


            http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=14560

            And about people coming here for care - that's what it is, health CARE. The problem is health COVERAGE.

            I'm going to make a killing selling these bumper stickers.

            PROFITS OVER PEOPLE
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          • Author by darkmass (August 06, 2009 12:00 am ET)
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            Obviously you are not a Vet or have not read anything about the VA for that matter. The system is horrid and a disgrace to the brave men and women it serves. If you want to point to a system that works, please do not point to the VA.
            Sorry dazed one, I am a Vet, and I've had occasion to spend a bit over five continuous weeks in a VA hospital. The care and the surgeries were outstanding. If I didn't now earn above the threshold to qualify for VA medical service, you can bet I'd be happy to have them for my health care provider.
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          • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (August 06, 2009 12:34 am ET)
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            If Govt-run health care is such a good thing - and our private system such a bad thing - why is it that people from all over the world come to OUR system when the best care is needed?

            Because someone else is paying for it, neither the sufferers nor the insurance companies...

            Why is it that Canadians and Brits ( both covered by a govt-run systems ) are coming to our private system to get the care their government either can not or will not offer ?

            Why do you wingnuts never have any actual examples of these alleged Canadians and Brits? Maybe because they don't really exist?...
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            • Author by hoagie (August 06, 2009 9:01 pm ET)
                 
              It seems like the left wing is missing the point. We all agree that that the health care system needs reform. We need tort reform, the ability to carry insurance across state lines, the ability to determine what you want covered instead of being forced by state law to have a policy that includes every unlikely thing that could ever happen. That said, the bill the house is trying to pass that so many people are opposed to doesn't talk about any of that - it talks about having more government spending and a government run health care plan. I lived in Canada and had the Ontario health care plan. First of all, we paid about 13% sales tax on almost everything we bought. There is also the Ontario Health Premium that gets taken out of your income. So, let's not all act like this will be free health care. They also wanted to control your diet, if you smoked or not, how much you exercised, etc, etc. Your freedoms will slowly be taken away because the government will not want to foot the bill for overweight people or smokers. We have already spent trillions of dollars on stuff that isn't working. Maybe if they thought health care was so important, they shouldn't have spent all the money on the useless stimulus plan or the cash for perfectly good cars (I mean clunkers).
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      • Author by fantagor (August 05, 2009 4:41 pm ET)
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        From Lewin's website:

        The Lewin Group is an Ingenix company. Ingenix, a wholly-owned subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group, was founded in 1996 to develop, acquire and integrate the world's best-in-class health care information technology capabilities. For more information, visit www.ingenix.com. The Lewin Group operates with editorial independence and provides its clients with the very best expert and impartial health care and human services policy research and consulting services.


        And UnitedHealth Group is what? A publicly traded healthcare provider (NYSE abbreviation: UHN).

        Randy
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      • Author by my4cents (August 05, 2009 9:56 pm ET)
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        I will promise you will not lose your current plan and doctor.
        Enough?
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      • Author by roundhouse (August 05, 2009 11:48 pm ET)
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        Who cares markb? It ain't like Republicants have a viable plan of their own to tout that doesn't include more of the same old trite dogma that precipitated this crisis and has produced the greatest degree of wealth inequality since 1929. We all know how that level of inequality panned out, don't we?

        Anyway, I might give a crap about insurance corporations if they didn't need to be put on the spit and roasted in Hell for all eternity.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 06, 2009 11:03 am ET)
           
        Mark, when you figure out and admit that FDR created programs that are still in use today and that Arabs contributed to the advancement of mathematics maybe we'll let you back in on the adult conversation.
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      • Author by jcalton (August 08, 2009 1:22 am ET)
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        I would love single-payer. Virtually all of America's true friends (or common interest or shared backgrounds) in the world have single-payer systems.

        Single-payer would save your employer so much money that they could probably pay you a lot more.
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    • Author by caucasion jesus (August 05, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
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      "without noting that conservative organizations opposed to Democrats' proposals -- boosted by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity -- are conducting a campaign to pack those events with their supporters"

      did the same thing on the NPR this mornin' as well...but they went the extra mile by "reporting" (paraphrased) that these carefully scripted and choreographed events can be packed with liberal and conservative activists

      right after they played audio of the Doggett Town Hall.

      nice.
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      • Author by timetravler100 (August 05, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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        Encouraging concerned citizens to participate in town hall meetings to voice opposition is not quite "choreographed". For something like that you need to seek ACORN, they choreographed voters by the millions for Obama, even DEAD ones. The conservatives can't hold a candle against this kind of agitation and noise making.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (August 05, 2009 9:39 pm ET)
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          ACORN registered people to vote. That's all.

          And these aren't "concerned citizens". They're domestic terrorists trying to shout down debate about an important topic.

          And alot of them are on medicare, so they are shouting down government health care while using government health care. Hypocrisy anyone?
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          • Author by timetravler100 (August 06, 2009 2:55 pm ET)
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            If you're calling concerned AMERICANS "domestic terrorists" for telling their elected officials NO SOCIALISM, then you really have lost touch with reality.

            In fact, the situation is quite the opposite: Leftists are the ones who seek to subvert the constitution, change or alter its meaning, and subsequently "change" this country into something it was never meant to be. They do this with lies, misinformation, half-truths, name calling, and victim-making. If there are any domestic terrorists, it is the leftists.
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            • Author by roundhouse (August 07, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
                 
              Go away loon.

              It was the radical right that fought peaceful civil rights protestors with with lynchings, fire hoses, dogs, guns, church bombings and assassinations.

              It was the radical right that beat and killed labor organizers in the 1920's.

              It was the right wing terrorist, James Adkisson, in Knoxville who shot liberals dead in their house of worship.

              You people are screaming lunatics who can't have a civil discussion for lack of confidence in your hair brained beliefs; so you resort to political violence. Just take your bs about liberals, put it between two slices of bread and have a bite.

              You have no idea what you're talking about.
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        • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (August 06, 2009 12:37 am ET)
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          One! More! Time!...

          ACORN's coming! We're all gonna diiiiiiieeeeeeeeee!...
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    • Author by ucjb (August 05, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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      The natives are getting restless. I have watched a lot of these town hall meeting videos, these people are mad. There might be some organization to it but it's mostly people mad because they know that they don't want the same people that have driven us to the brink of bankruptcy (12 trillion dollars and counting very quickly) controlling their health care. Why is it when the government fails we give it even more control?
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      • Author by highliter (August 05, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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        Come on don’t you realize it all fake these people are plants by Big Insurance., or their just racists who don’t like a black guy as president. No one really disagrees with Obama. Geez everyone know that.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (August 05, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
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          In case you missed, they are plants by the for-profit corporate insurance vampires armed with talking points and disruption tactics.

          They are also dupes because many of them are old enough to be on medicare, which, by the way, is run by the GOVERNMENT.

          And it was the teabaggers who don't like the black president.
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    • Author by ucjb (August 05, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
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      ObamaCare:

      Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

      This might be one of the reasons people are showing up at town hall meeting.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 05, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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        There is no bill.
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        • Author by ucjb (August 05, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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          http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 05, 2009 9:34 pm ET)
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            There is no bill until it comes to the floor of the house. IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.

            Gosh you righties are dense.
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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (August 05, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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        ucjb you sir are full of RIGHT WING GARBAGE.
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      • Author by my4cents (August 05, 2009 10:06 pm ET)
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        The convenience store across the street has the same access already.
        You and the paid people showing up at town hall meetings did not know? Do your homework before fake pretending to care for the country.
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      • Author by timetravler100 (August 07, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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        People had BETTER be showing up to these meetings and letting the politico's know we will not tolerate any more!
        Once you let government get in to your private affairs, you can never get it out.
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    • Author by highliter (August 05, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
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      The conservative groups, including FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity, are harnessing social networking Web sites to organize their supporters in much the same way Mr. Obama did during his election campaign." [The New York Times; 8/3/09]


      So when Obama does it is a 'grass roots effort" when conservative does it’s not a real protest its staged?
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 05, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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        FreedomWorks is run by a lobbying firm backed by money from the insurance companies.

        The protestors are bought and paid for, which is not grass roots. The protestors, are, in a way, paid lobbyists for the corporate insurance fatcats.
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        • Author by Cheney2012 (August 05, 2009 8:00 pm ET)
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          Tell me Fog: Does FreedomWorks pay more than ACORN for the bus trips past the homes of AIG execs?

          Please let me know as I could use a part-time job and want the more lucrative option.

          You'll let me know of course after you check the pay stubs, cancelled checks and bank records of the 'protestors.' Because I know you must have proof of the garbage you are spewing here.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 05, 2009 9:36 pm ET)
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            I'm not going to do the work for you. Refute my "garbage" if you can.

            I won't be holding my breath.
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            • Author by roundhouse (August 05, 2009 11:56 pm ET)
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              You just don't get it Foghorn, big money purchasing disproportionate power in our government is soooo patriotic! Money is freedom! Putting a price tag on every aspect of your life is the new American way! All hail filthy rich private medical insurance bureaucrats! May they profit from your death too!
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          • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (August 06, 2009 12:40 am ET)
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            Does FreedomWorks pay more than ACORN

            Second verse, same as the first--

            ACORN's coming! We're all gonna dddiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeee!!!!!
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      • Author by my4cents (August 05, 2009 10:14 pm ET)
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        It helps if you manually type in your thoughts.
        The unreadable characters you see in your post? They are usually the result of a cut (from Word, Outlook etc.) and paste job.
        It's original when it is original. Not because you or I say, or claim, so.
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (August 05, 2009 6:25 pm ET)
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      I'm disappointed Katie...

      On to Fox:

      No matter what they believe health care reform to mean, it's no measure to the power they've got from, oh I don't know, the Patriot Act? The US Military? The red button?! Fox News is silly.
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (August 05, 2009 6:56 pm ET)
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      It was funny to have seen ABC, CBS, and NBC brush over the so-called up-roar from Citizens at the TownHall Meetings last night. My thoughts were that Reporters were doing their jobs of investigating the "manufactured up-roar" from these people who were paid by Republicans and Insurance companies, and to stay tune.

      But to my surprise, MSNBC already had the scoop and was reporting on the "manufactured up-roar" fake story last night with Keith and Rachel. Then I thought how Broadcast News may need to watch more than FoxNews to get their nightly news. LOL
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      • Author by randyfaria (August 05, 2009 9:00 pm ET)
           
        Were some encouraged or got the idea to attend from folks with special interests ? sure. were they "bought and paid for'? that's just stupid. Is their anger real? I have no doubt people are mad-what is being done clearly does not represent majority thinking in this counrty. However, there is a large majority that thinks otherwise. What angers these pople is the feeling this is being rammed dowen their throats with no debate, no input from them, in the dark of night-which is undeniably true. The fact the the Dems and WH refuse to acknowledge that speaks volumnes. Their actions in the first six months haven given America little confidence they are up to the task. If there was even the slightest attempt by the dems to have open debbate and discussion and an orderly process of negotitation, this anger would dissapate. Comments like they are are soley by people who do not like a black in the WH would be amusing, if I was no so scared that a lot of people actually feel that way instead of trying to understand what is driving this genuine anger
        apate.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 06, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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          Abosutely wrong. The right is defending the status quo. The American people have made it VERY clear they want a change. Don't believe everything your entertainers disguised as political leaders tell you.

          And, from the posts I have read here it seems clear that the anger is derived from a fear of ACORN. ACORN is coming for your kids because Glenn Beck told me so. Nuts...
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    • Author by IndigoFoxCultureWarrior1972 (August 06, 2009 10:46 pm ET)
         
      I read some of your ramblings on here and think to myself--NO WONDER AMERICA IS PRETTY MUCH FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET. U all need to pull ur heads from your rears and realize that this game the Government has been playing has been going on since like FOREVER. They keep replaying the same series of shell game loops to the sleeping fatty masses. Are u all that ignorant ??? Really ????? Thank God for people like Glen Beck. WAKE UP AMERICA :)
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    • Author by jcalton (August 08, 2009 1:23 am ET)
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      Ask all these dittoheads if they supported Bush and the wars. Or ask if they support our troops overseas. Ask if they support veterans.

      Then ask who gives the veterans healthcare...
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