Carlson, Doocy falsely claim Pelosi called health reform opponents "un-American"
Discussing the recent health care town hall protests, Gretchen Carlson falsely claimed, "Nancy Pelosi says anyone who speaks out is un-American," and Steve Doocy falsely claimed, "Pelosi [said] that apparently the opposing view to her view is un-American." In fact, in a USA Today op-ed, Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer wrote that "it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue," and that "[d]rowning out opposing views is simply un-American."
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Carlson, Doocy falsely claimed Pelosi said "anyone who speaks out," has "the opposing view," is "un-American"
From the August 10 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
CARLSON: Some lawmakers are outright canceling the town halls now, and Nancy Pelosi says anyone who speaks out is un-American.
[...]
DOOCY: You know what? I think so many Americans are frustrated that the stimulus got jammed through so fast. Nobody read that. They're just afraid that if this thing, which is so bulky and so enormous and touches everybody, just goes through so fast without talking about it, there could be dire consequences.
Well, now's the talking time. You know, our members of Congress are home for a month, and this is our chance to do some talking. Of course, going back to Nancy Pelosi saying that apparently the opposing view to her view is un-American, that's our text question this hour. Is it un-American to debate health care?
Pelosi, Hoyer wrote: "Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American."
Pelosi, Hoyer op-ed: "[U]gly campaign is underway" to disrupt public meetings and prevent civil dialogue; "[d]rowning out opposing views is simply un-American." Pelosi and Hoyer wrote in an August 10 USA Today op-ed:
[A]s members of Congress spend time at home during August, they are talking with their constituents about reform. The dialogue between elected representatives and constituents is at the heart of our democracy and plays an integral role in assuring that the legislation we write reflects the genuine needs and concerns of the people we represent.
However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue. These tactics have included hanging in effigy one Democratic member of Congress in Maryland and protesters holding a sign displaying a tombstone with the name of another congressman in Texas, where protesters also shouted "Just say no!" drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion.
Let the facts be heard
These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views -- but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.
Health care is complex. It touches every American life. It drives our economy. People must be allowed to learn the facts. [USA Today, 8/10/09]
Fox personalities promoted town hall protests
Fox promoted disruptions of health care town halls. Following the August 2 disruption of a town hall event hosted by Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA) and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, Fox News personalities repeatedly lauded such protesters and urged viewers to take similar action. Indeed, Sean Hannity characterized one protest as "more like a Philadelphia Eagles game or a Flyers game than a town hall" and stated, "That's a pretty good way to fight back."
Fox Nation headlined report on WH efforts to combat health care misinformation, "Is the White House Attacking Democracy?" An August 5 headline on the Fox Nation asked, "Is the White House Attacking Democracy." The headline linked to a Politico article that reported the White House "launched a coordinated effort" to "combat what it calls a 'viral whisper campaign' to torpedo health care reform."
From the August 10 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
CARLSON: Some lawmakers are outright canceling the town halls now, and Nancy Pelosi says anyone who speaks out is un-American.
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DOOCY: Meanwhile, Speaker Pelosi and Steny Hoyer, a couple of the leading Democrats in the House, have written an op-ed that appears in today's USA Today, and they say -- it starts out by talking about how Americans are waiting for affordable health care. It talks about the ugly campaign, and how both sides are yelling at each other, and then -- it's interesting, because what they write is, "These disruptions are because opponents are afraid not just of differing views but of the facts themselves. They are drowning out opposing views, and that is simply un-American."
BRIAN KILMEADE (co-host): Un-American? I thought that was all part of the debate.
[...]
DOOCY: You know what? I think so many Americans are frustrated that the stimulus got jammed through so fast. Nobody read that. They're just afraid that if this thing, which is so bulky and so enormous and touches everybody, just goes through so fast without talking about it, there could be dire consequences.
Well, now's the talking time. You know, our members of Congress are home for a month, and this is our chance to do some talking. Of course, going back to Nancy Pelosi saying that apparently the opposing view to her view is un-American, that's our text question this hour. Is it un-American to debate health care?
"Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American."
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"Pelosi called [...] opponents 'un-American'" ???!!!
Liberal media indeed!
Actually I get the impression that Doocey's own mother can't stand him. He just gives off that "nobody loves me" aura. LOL.
unlike oreilly who is hateful, beck who is strange and hannity who is crazy, these 3 deliver some hilarious comedy to balance out the idiocy at that network.
i guess thats what they mean by "fair and balanced"... a different array of stupidity offered at each hour.
She certainly isn't referencing the SEIU thugs who beat up that guy in the hallway outside of a town hall meeting in St. Louis was she?
No, she is referring to those people who are responding to the condescension and lies of their elected representatives with chants and boos and a lot of green-grass anger (not astroturf).
I don't condone death threats nor violence, but I don't remember Pelosi getting so offended when Palin was hung in Effigy in San Fransisco last October. Nancy Pelosi is the left's Joe McCarthy - with less integrity.
By the way, I sure would love to see the video of those swastikas.
Do you pretend to not understand words or are doing what a good little Cons is told to do.
Try reading the Op-ed....where did anyone call anyone "un-American". Don't you understand that things can be unAmerican? Now write to your handlers and ask that question.
Did I just call you stupid? No, but the direct inference is there.
Pelosi the liar of the left, said that people attending town meetings, who are ordinary citizens trying to voice their opinion, are doing un-American acts. The direct implication is that they are un-American.
But gee, I don't think you are stupid.
Of course it is also shocking that you are still trying to play the card that this video of an SEIU union thug beating someone up when the video shows no such thing. I have to wonder if you have even seen the video. This was debunked several news cycles ago.
Even more shocking is your continual denial of swastikas. No one is still clinging to the fantasy that there were not swastikas other than you. You seem to be a little behind.
Also, I think you may be stupid.
But just to be thorough, I'm going to look under "town hall" on YouTube and look for swastikas.
Update: I viewed several town hall and health care videos - didn't see a single swastika!
Pelosi is a liar. This health care 'reform' is a purely political power grab and deserves to go down in flames.
Clearly, Ed does. He continues to deny there weren't any. Why is he so obtuse? You would have to ask him.
Hilarious!
THIS is how misinformed these dumb, ignorant bastards are!
There is a lot of stoopid in this guy, and I'm willing to bet, he lands up being charged with fraud in the very near future.
* So he wants others to foot his hospital bills?
* All I can say is the conservatives sure are weird sometimes. Talk about having no self-awareness.
* Gladney's selfless committment to principle is inspiring. This clearly isn't about him. It's about a larger principle. He's putting the greater good aboove his own interests. That's the kind of individualism that made America great.
(I seriously hope that last one's satirical!)
But it's a great post either way - it's either great Colbert-esque satire, or it further proves the whole point of the article... in a great, Colbert-esque satirical way!
The right has been yelling for years about frivolous lawsuits and the evil trial lawyers and how the nation needs tort reform before we do anything. Yet everyone of these knuckle draggers files a lawsuit if someone so much as sneezes on them.
The icing on the cake is that this clown lost his health insurance, because he's out of work. Shouldn't this guy be out job hunting instead of astroturfing? This guy was at this meeting because someone paid him to be there and to start trouble.
Nothing else makes sense. No one can be that stupid, can they?
(No need for an answer. We know that too many people are that stupid and even more so.)
Gladney's selfless committment to principle is inspiring. This clearly isn't about him. It's about a larger principle. He's putting the greater good aboove his own interests. That's the kind of individualism that made America great.
Posted by: Al on August 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM | PERMALINK
I'm sorry K'OB showed this guy in a still pic tonite looking like he was paralyzed. In the vid of the actual event he is running around looking for attention after he was "disabled."
I know conservatives wanted to use this guy to show how horrible union members are, but as soon as it came out that he was fighting against public health care while he himself had lost his health care, they should have immediately abandoned all association with him. They look like utter idiots. The only thing that could make it worse is if Gladney claimed that he was laid off because he was black.
I just love the fact that some guy goes to a town hall meeting, gets roughed up by a bunch of Union goons who apparently are there to keep people like him from voicing his disagreement with the government proposal, has to go to hospital; and you find his actions worthy of dis-association! Apparently, in your mind, there is something questionable about this guy.
But all you're doing is distracting yourself from the real issue - that a private citizen was roughed up by (Union) goons under the direction of a U.S. Representative (or his staff) because his political views differed from the Representative's. Doesn't it feel slimy to be defending such principled public servants?
Also, your position that Gladney's misfortune is a problem with the system is an obvious non sequitur. (That means that your conclusion doesn't follow from your premisses.)
What "direction" are you referring to? What Representative or their staff ordered anything, exactly?
What's the non sequitur, exactly? If someone is laid off, then they're out of luck if they get injured, that would seem to be a problem. Again, that's if he's portrayed as a victim, which is what you're doing. He's asking for handouts because he got injured after losing his job. Even if I buy the story, and curse those union thugs, then that still highlights the whole problem that Gladney doesn't want anyone to address.
It's very common on these boards that anytime disparity in wages or any corporate v. worker issue comes up, we get the social Darwinism angle from the right. If you don't like the money you make, or don't want to be laid off, just try harder, or face the consequences. So where is that principle here? Why is Gladney not a whiner who didn't work hard enough and should be paying his own medical bills? Personal responsibility and all that jazz.
I, personally, don't buy into that. Gladney should get public care because some people can't help getting laid off. Gladney disagrees, and now finds himself with medical bills (after going to the hospital, not being taken by ambulance, mind you) that he can't pay. A person with an IQ of 50 should realize that 99.9% of people can't send out an appeal to the public to get their bills paid and expect to get a dime in response, unlike Gladney.
Let's try your argument with auto mechanics: My car breaks down, through no fault of my own. I can't afford to have it repaired. The fact that I can't afford to get my car repaired is a systemic fault of the auto repair business, according to your logic. That is a non sequitur.
As to who was giving the 'directions' to the SEIU thugs, it is apparent from video in the building that those guys were acting in concert; they were acting like they were 'security.' It would come as a surprise if they were not there in response to an invitation or suggestion from the Representative or his staff. Someone was directing their actions inside. I would guess that the event outside with Gladney was rogue.
"Personal responsibility and all that jazz." That idea, my friend, far predates social Darwinism. The genius of the American experiment (beyond freedom of religion) rests upon 1. personal liberty with its consequent personal responsibility, and 2. limited government.
Do you think that people should be shielded from the consequences of their actions and decisions? That is neither realistic nor healthy.
Americans are the most generous people on the face of the earth, ever. They are not adverse to helping people in need. But the problem with government guarantees of services is that it invites people to freeload off the system. A former Governor of Minnesota put it very well when he told a welfare Mom that Americans meant for welfare to be a help, not a lifestyle.
Our present hospital system was begun largely by Christians and Churches. It worked well as a helping service, rather than a profit industry, until it was co-opted by the government through Medicare and Medicaid, making the mess we are in today. In the state I live in, it is now illegal for medical professionals to give their services away unless they are specially licensed to do so.
The problem with government health care is that it will cost more, deliver less and encourage irresponsibility.
Talk about non sequiturs. Because several people were in the same place acting similarly, they must have been told to do so? That doesn't follow at all. Any group of people that know each other are just as likely to act independently, through their own will. You're just making politically convenient assumptions.
The point about "personal responsibility" is that consequences are limited to a reasonable level. For instance, should someone die because they got heart disease and was fired from their job? Is there some test that applies to that person that can possibly change that answer? "Oh, you ate at McDonalds a few times too often, so good luck in the afterlife." This is what I'm talking about. Also, it's not as if welfare is a particularly rewarding lifestyle. It's bare-bones survival, which is a consequence of actions in itself.
Also, this is relative. Other countries are able to provide health care without worrying about freeloaders. Why can't we? What stops us from doing the same thing so many other countries are able to do?
If it wasn't for profit, then why would a payment option for anyone be necessary? Are you sure that's what made it a for-profit system?
Obama-care advocates admit it will cause a $239 Billion deficit. That's after optimistically estimating that the government will be able to raise some $530 Billion by eliminating tax deductions for people making over $230,000 a year. Smoke and mirrors.
This whole thing has nothing to do with improving health care and everything to do with enlarging the role of the government in the lives of the people - simply put, it is a power grab, and an expensive one at that.
We need to dismantle the socialist system that has been scabbed unto the edifice of liberty this country was meant to be.
As someone whose wife and father both lost their jobs because their employers didn't want to pay health care, I find the "power grab" argument to be ludicrous. There is a problem, and it needs to be fixed. If other countries can do it, the good old U.S. of A. can sure do it too.
I Liked the comments wondering if he was related to Joe the Pretend Plumber, and suggesting that, instead of a wheelchair, Gladney should have been brought in nailed to a cross.
I haven't seen Cheney2012 posting much. This item was his baby a few days ago, claiming indisputable proof of "thuggery" based on the video. Maybe he hadn't seen the vid yet.
To call someone who believes that and acts on that a "dumb, ignorant bastard" is a prime example of the arrogance and bigotry that typifies the left.
Just because the government offers a 'perk' of some sort to its citizens does not mean that it should, nor does it mean that because its offered, a person is stupid who refuses it. There are people in the United States that are not willing to live off the toil of others, who want to pay their own way.
That doesn't mean that there are no times when such a person may need to seek the generosity of his neighbors. (Like when one goes to a town hall meeting and gets beat up by thugs guarding against his right to be heard.)
But please note that Mr. Gladney is not asking that the government force you to pay for his medical expenses.
That is a pretty significant difference from sucking from the government's teat.
We all know the answer to that. What will it take for "We the people" to wise up?
This is my first ever post. And, truthfully, I'm just saddened by how the health care debate has been skewed and misrepresented. I'm disguested by those at Fox, Limbaugh, Scarborough, the whole lot of them. I am getting the paperwork together to leave the U.S. for good. My wife is from one of these horrible European, "socialist" nations (Germany), where they have a proper health care system already in place. I can get a visa (in Germany or any other EU nation) through her and be out of here. We just don't want to have our financial well-being and health at the mercy of these companies. I do hope for my family and friends I'm leaving behind, that reform does eventually happen. But, looking at the current state of affairs, I do doubt it.
Thanks for reading (had to get that off my chest)
Regards,
James
The fact that Fox reports EXACTLY what they say and the inconsistancy of these dirtballs in congress you should be happy.
After reading some of the comments I understand why the Left wing liberals want the 'Fairness Doctrine'.
And what EXACTLY did Pelosi say? Do you even know? Please quote it for us.
I think the rest of the world would say that is very American. j/k ;)
far-right wingnut propaganda.
I am disturbed by how many supposedly "mainstream" journalists
and commentators seem to go along with the talking points Fox News gets from the Republican House leadership. And I distinctly remember the NBC interview with then-VP candidate Biden: Tom Brokaw spent 5 minutes badgering Joe Biden about, why can't you just admit the surge worked, Joe?
1. define what is the surge.
2. define what you mean by "work."
3. Distinguish between historical fact and interpretation.
Does anyone even try to distinguish between facts and interpretations anymore?
The Dims have lost the battle on this one. I saw over the weekend several Dim-wits suggesting a reform package without the 'Public Option' provision. Withdrawing the 'Public option' effectively emasculates the attempt to nationalize the system. They can't get to a 'single-payer' system without the public option - which is nothing less than a 'Trojan Horse.'
It would be my preference to dismantle the entire socialistic apparatus in the government and return us to a 'limited government and personal liberty' model. (ie. pre-1933)
Just saw this story on HuffPo.
How long before a democratic congressperson gets shot because of this? I would hate to see it happen, but isn't this entirely possible?
First, what the Fox people said is much less outrageous than the fact that the Speaker of the House has referred to people at these townhall meetings as "Nazi carrying" organized protesters financed by big money Republican special interests. Ms. Pelosi has a history of using hateful and bigoted rhetoric when referring to those to disagree with her. What she does not understand is that it is the VAST MAJORITY of people in this country who find her views offensive.
In this instance, her comments made the ASSUMPTION that these people were there to shout and "drown out" opposing voices. In this context, she is VERY CLEARLY STATING that these people are un-American. There is no ambiguity here. It is clearly what she means. Her assumptions are false. I won't accuse her of lying because she probably believes these false assumptions.
The simple thing that she and her partners in crime don't understand is that any of these "health care reform" bills are simply UNACCEPTABLE. Period. There need be no discussion. The answer is NO. The American public has been clear on this issue for decades. The government has no legal, moral, practical, economic, or any other concern in the medical well being of private citizens. If she and her colleagues continue down this communist path, they will lose. She might not lose her seat, because she represents crazy-land. But, the rest of her party aren't so lucky. She and the President are asking their party to commit mass political suicide to further their own personal agendas. So, Madam Speaker, perhaps you should stop shouting down the loud NO that the American people have been trying to get you to hear. From what I've heard, shouting down the opposition is un-American.
She's what you get when you elect "powerful" people to office. 1994 was a cute little kitty compared to 2010. I look forward to your narrow-minded hate speech. :)
What is unacceptable is to allow this small group of losers to derail an election. What is unacceptable is the present state of our healthcare. 18,000 people die a year due to lack of insurance. 14,000 lose their insurance per/day. For those with insurance premiums are rising and were paying more but receiving less. We need to reduce cost while improving quality and access to care for everyone, and we can and will do it. We voted for it last Nov. and if we have to drag you intellectual Neanderthals kicking and screaming into the 21st century so be it.
You have no idea what you are talking about. A "handful" of protesters may or may not be representatives of all Americans. In fact, they serve as no proof of anything at all, other than a small group of protesters are protesting. However, there are facts that prove that Americans do not support government controlled health care. There are numerous polls that all indicate that a majority, and in some cases, a plurality, absolutely oppose government run health care.
Mr. Obama's drop in the polls is due to something. Since he has spent more time on this particular subject than all others, why do you think he has dropped in the polls? He's gone from the very high 60s and in some cases, 70s of approval down to around 50%.
Polls aren't everything and I can understand why someone might not believe in them. So, I will offer you a history lesson from Mr. Clinton's presidency. What became known as Hillarycare was Mr. Clinton's version of a government solution to the perceived health care problem. His administration's attempts to enforce a health care mandate upon the nation turned over Congress to Republicans. In order to understand just how big of a deal that is, Republicans had not had that kind of control over Congress in 40 years.
As for your comments about a small group of people derailing an election, I can't really figure out what you mean. There are no elections pending. The only people who will derail the upcoming elections will the be small group of people controlling the Democratic party. In my lifetime, I've never seen a group of people squander so much so quickly. Mr. Obama and company could have done great things. All they needed to do is do no harm. They could not resist the chance to do the big things that they personally wanted, without regards to what the people wanted. The Republican party was dead, for all intents and purposes.
As for the rest of your comments regarding people dying without insurance, I call shenanigans. It's simply false that there is no health care solution available to people today. Meidcaid and Medicare have been around for decades. One is for the "poor" and the other is for the disabled and elderly. If Congress and the President were really only concerned with giving 18,000 people a year health coverage, they would simply expand those programs in such a manner that those people would be covered. Expanding them would increase the cost to people like me who work for a living, but at least they wouldn't be stealing my freedom in the process.
As for dragging "Neanderthals" like me into the 21st century, thanks for trying. :) America is stuffed to capacity with freedom loving people. America will not stand for this theft of liberty. There are far too many Democrats in close districts for them all to go along with this. Even if they did and it somehow passed, in two years it will all be repealed.
If you are truly concerned with fixing health care, there are things that need to be and can be done. None of us enjoy paying high medical bills. However, government intervention is not the answer, it is the problem.
Ask yourself why these people don't want to include tort reform in their bills. Ask yourself why they don't want a market based solution. Ask yourself why they won't allow catastrophic health insurance. Ask yourself why the government requires health coverage for illegal immigrants but won't enforce immigration laws to keep that cost down. Ask yourself why health care costs so much. Don't ask your political friends, they are politicians and they aren't too bright. Don't take a "Nanderthal's" word for it, either. Do some real unbiased research and then, THINK. The answers are out there and none of them are in Congress.
"It's simply false that there is no health care solution available to people today. Meidcaid and Medicare have been around for decades. One is for the "poor" and the other is for the disabled and elderly." - truthi
And what if you are neither? What if you are not poor or old? What if, like most American, you make just enough to survive from day to day. Where do they get their coverage?
Whichever one he keeps touting on a daily basis. I watched his Town Hall today I don’t believe he was specific in which on he supports.
"I'm just a bill on Capitol Hill..."
In saying that Pelosi is "labeling protesters un-American," Jarrett joined his Fox News colleagues in distorting Pelosi's August 10 USA Today op-ed, in which she and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer wrote that "it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue" and that "[d]rowning out opposing views is simply un-American."---MMFA
But we all know that your tiny band is not interested in facts. What a strange lot you folks are! "Down the road to communism"!?!? Didn't you losers try that line before the election in Nov? The me-me and dam everyone else folks lost.
Me Me Dam everyone else? Gee, I never thought about it that way. I suppose you mean to imply that I am greedy. You probably also think that I'm some rich child of privilege. The truth is quite the opposite. I grew up exceptionally poor on a small family farm in the rural midwest. I've served my country in the armed service and worked hard to put myself through college. Nobody has ever given me a dime along the way. I did it honest. I'm not rich, but someday I'd like the freedom to be.
Communism isn't a joke or a political scare tactic. It is a real philosophy that is responsible for the mass murder of millions of innocent people around the world and the theft of unimaginable wealth. If you don't understand what communism is, you can't understand that socialized medicine is, indeed, on the pathway to communism. Mr. Marx acknowledged as much in his writings.
Here is what I have to offer you on the subject of greed. Greed isn't bad, in and of itself. Greed is the primal instinct to survive, it is self preservation. Greed is what makes you live. Excessive greed, on the other hand, is a sickness that has no cure. So, you may accuse me of being excessively greedy because you don't like my point of view. That is certainly within your rights. However, you'd be wrong. I'm a charitable person who helps my fellow man / woman. In addition to paying excessive taxes, I've given uncounted dollars to homeless people, countless hours of community service, aided hundreds of stranded travelers, and given to the greater good in many other ways. I don't suffer from excessive greed syndrome. But, many who share your views, do. The idea that someone should pay your mortgage, buy you a car, pay your medical bills, buy your groceries, or pay for your education demonstrates the ugliest kind of greed the world has ever seen. It is those who wish to get without giving, to take without producing, it is those who possess this ugly greed. It is not, however, those who wish to keep that which they have earned, who are excessively greedy. We just want to live, and let live. That means the government staying out of my life. I don't love welfare, but if the greedy want to get without giving, I'll support it so that we may all live in peace. Use the welfare we already have, just leave me off the rolls. :)
Your above post is filled with distortions fueled by your greed is good but not too much greed philosophy. You wrongly see a world in which underserving people are gobbling up your wealth. A continuation of the old Reagan "welfare queen" myth from the conservative divide and conquer and blame the "Greedy poor" playbook. You attack the powerless(I guess because they are an easy target)yet you remain silent about this greed and robbery of the people : http://sickforprofit.com/ , which does more to rob you of your wealth and health than any poor soul on welfare. Your warped view allows you to slander poor people and the under and unemployed as "greedy" as if those people are not victims of a system. I grew up in the South Bronx I've seen and experienced poverty and there was no one who was content with their lot. Poor people greedily getting rich on the public tit is your fantasy but not reality. Today, a company advertises for 10 jobs and a 1,000 applicants show up, hardly reflective of lazy people.
The driving force behind human progress and development far from your warped me first dam everyone else philosophy has been cooperation ,from the 1st man to the present stage of capitalism,we have survived because in the end we rejected greed and came together for the common good. Your views represent the pass,a time when if you had no job you starved or begged on the street. A time when medicine went to those who could afford to pay. A time where men, women and even children worked long hours and there were no labor laws or unemployment insurance. A time where a women had no right to vote or rights that a man had to respect. You hark back to a time before Social Security where if you got old and were unable to fend for yourself well to bad. A time before the airplane. The fact is as a species we will not be able to survive the challenges to our existence; global warming,nuclear war, poverty, disease,etc. you name it unless we again come together,why, because our survival depends on it.We had an election to decide the direction our nation would take into the 21st. century,guess what your side lost, and I repeat if we have to drag you mental me first Neanderthals kicking and screaming into the new world ,we will!
http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_fav.htm
You served your country in the armed services and they did not help you pay for college? I actually do not believe that for 1 second.
That is classic. Claims that others are un-American and then declares that there shall be no discussion. You may want to look up "narrow-minded" and apply it to your own post. Pretty sad actually. Who did Pelosi shout down? Clear projection on your part. There is no need for discussion and any country who has a public option is communist? Wonderful open-minded, unbiased thought process you have there. Tell me, do you really believe that all of Western Europe is communist or do you just not understand communism?
Her comments in the editorial were accusatory of an orgainzed effort to disrupt these meetings rather than just citizens strongly demonstrating their opposition, which at worse appears to be code-pink like in form, with a dose of testosterone.
as niceguyeddie said, how do you go from one form of a question to another like that?