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CNN's Roberts cites Lewin Group study for Heritage, ignores CBO on public plan enrollment

August 12, 2009 10:26 am ET — 13 Comments

On August 11, CNN anchor John Roberts reported that "critics of these plans say people will be forced into this public health care plan," but cited only "a study done for the Heritage Foundation by the Lewin Group [that] says 88 million people ... will be forced into the public plan." However, Roberts ignored that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) "estimate[s] ... the number of enrollees in the public plan would be substantially smaller than the Lewin Group's," predicting that only approximately 5 million people* would switch from employer coverage to the public plan.

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From the August 11 edition of CNN's Anderson Cooper 360:

ROBERTS: The final thing that we want to get into is whether or not people will be able to keep their own insurance, because the critics of these plans say people will be forced into this public health care plan. And a study done for the Heritage Foundation by the Lewin Group says 88 million people -- at least 88 million people -- will be forced into the public plan.

CBO "estimate[s] ... the number of enrollees in the public plan would be substantially smaller than the Lewin Group's"

Lewin Group VP testified that "[i]f the plan is opened to individuals and all employers, the number of people in the public plan would rise to 122.9 million people." In his testimony to the Energy and Commerce Committee, Lewin Group vice president John Sheils stated: "The public plan under the House bill would result in a substantial decline in the number of people with private insurance coverage, even in the early years of the program. ... If the plan is opened to individuals and all employers, the number of people in the public plan would rise to 122.9 million people. Private coverage would decline by about 113.5 million people." [John Sheils testimony to the House Energy and Commerce Committee; 6/25/09]

Lewin Group study predicted that "88.1 million workers would shift from private employer insurance to the public plan" under the House bill. In its report for the Heritage Foundation, the Lewin Group stated: "It the Act were fully implemented in that year [2011], about 88.1 million workers would shift from private employer insurance to the public plan." [Lewin Group report; 7/17/09]

CBO estimates roughly 2 million "workers and their dependents" would be enrolled in exchanges by employers and would choose public plan.* In a July 26 analysis, CBO found:

A related question concerns how many firms would provide coverage to their workers but would do so by letting their workers purchase coverage in the insurance exchanges -- and, in particular, how many of those enrollees would end up in the new public plan.

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For the preliminary estimate of the proposal, CBO and the JCT [Joint Committee on Taxation] staff assumed that only firms with 50 or fewer employees would be permitted to buy coverage through the exchanges, and we estimated that about 6 million workers and their dependents would obtain coverage in that way. We also estimated that about one third of those enrollees would choose the public plan -- an assessment that is consistent with our overall estimate of the share of people in the exchanges choosing that plan.

CBO estimates "about nine million people" who would have had employment-based plan would not under the legislation; up to 3 million might choose public plan. In its July 26 analysis, CBO wrote: "All told, we estimate that, in 2016, about 9 million people who would otherwise have had employer coverage would not be enrolled in an employment-based plan under the proposal." If all of those people were enrolled in the exchanges, under CBO's "overall estimate," about one third would choose the public plan, or 3 million people.

CBO "estimate[s] ... the number of enrollees in the public plan would be substantially smaller than the Lewin Group's." In its July 26 analysis, CBO referred to Sheils' June 25 testimony, stating that "[a]nalysts at the Lewin Group recently estimated that if all employers were given access to the insurance exchanges, more than 100 million people would end up enrolling in the public plan." CBO continued: "For several reasons, we anticipate that our estimate of the number of enrollees in the public plan would be substantially smaller than the Lewin Group's, even if we assumed that all employers would have that option."

From the CBO's July 26 analysis [footnotes omitted]:

If we assumed that workers at larger firms would be allowed to purchase coverage through the exchanges, our estimate of the number of enrollees involved [in the exchanges] would undoubtedly be greater than 6 million, but we have not estimated the magnitude. Analysts at the Lewin Group recently estimated that if all employers were given access to the insurance exchanges, more than 100 million people would end up enrolling in the public plan. For several reasons, we anticipate that our estimate of the number of enrollees in the public plan would be substantially smaller than the Lewin Group's, even if we assumed that all employers would have that option.

One consideration that would affect our analysis is that large employers would generally have lower administrative costs for health insurance than would plans offered in the exchanges, because (under the proposal) those plans would need to sign up enrollees individually; as a result, employees of large firms would be less likely than those of small firms to find the option of purchasing coverage through the exchange attractive, holding other factors equal. Although we assumed that the public plan would have somewhat lower administrative cost per enrollee than would private plans in the exchanges, the public plan would probably have to incur much of the same cost in order to attract and retain members.

More generally, the Lewin analysis uses a much larger gap than does our analysis between the premium of the public plan and the premiums of the private plans against which it would be competing. As indicated in our letter of July 14, we estimate that the public plan's premium would, on average, be about 10 percent lower than that of a typical private plan offered in the insurance exchanges. That estimate is based in part on available data from the Medicare Advantage program about the difference in costs incurred by private plans and the traditional Medicare plan to provide the same set of benefits. Indeed, the most recent analysis of that difference concluded that the costs of the traditional Medicare plan were only 2 percent lower, on average, than the costs of private plans participating in Medicare to provide the same benefits (though that difference varied geographically and by the type of private plan that was offered).

Roberts did not disclose Lewin Group's ties to UnitedHealth

In previous "reality check," CNN "point[ed] out" Lewin Group "is now owned by UnitedHealthcare." On June 25, CNN congressional correspondent Dana Bash stated, "[W]e should point out that the Lewin Group, which conducted this study, is now owned by UnitedHealthcare, which is a private insurance company. But Sheils insists he has total editorial control and autonomy over his health care studies." [CNN's American Morning; 6/25/09]

PolitiFact noted Lewin Group is "a subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group, which also offers private health insurance." In its fact check of a distortion of the Lewin Group's data by Karl Rove, PolitiFact.com wrote, "We'll note here that the Lewin Group is respected by many health care analysts and operates with editorial independence, but it is a subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group, which also offers private health insurance." [PolitiFact.com; 6/12/09]

Transcript

From the August 11 edition of CNN's Anderson Cooper 360:

ROBERTS: The final thing that we want to get into is whether or not people will be able to keep their own insurance, because the critics of these plans say people will be forced into this public health care plan. And a study done for the Heritage Foundation by the Lewin Group says 88 million people -- at least 88 million people -- will be forced into the public plan.

Let's listen to this exchange from President Obama's town hall in Portsmouth today.

[begin video clip]

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I still worry that if we go to a public option, period, that the private companies, the insurance companies, rather than competing -- because who can compete with the government? The answer is nobody.

So, my question is: Do you still, as a -- yourself now, support a universal plan, or are you open to the private industry still being maintained?

OBAMA: The only thing that I have said is that having a public option in that menu would provide competition for insurance companies to keep them honest.

[end video clip]

ROBERTS: So, it would seem clear, Sanjay, that at least some people are going to go into a public plan. The big question is: How much would that take away from the private plans? How much would it undercut it? And what number of people would eventually end up in the public plan?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA (CNN chief medical correspondent): Right. That's right. And that study you quoted, John, has numbers sort of varying, from, you know, tens of millions to over 100 million, possibly going toward the public option. A lot of supporters of the public option say, look, we got the U.S. post office, and, yet, we have FedEx and UPS. So, you can have public and private competition all existing at once.

There's also this idea that not everyone is going to be eligible for the public option. Just because it's cheaper doesn't mean everyone is going to qualify for it.

Having said that, there is this idea still that the public option could start to grow larger and larger. It could become more all-inclusive, all of that on the backs of taxpayer dollars, and that might eventually crowd out private insurance. And that's -- that -- those are the sort of argument and counterargument right there.

ROBERTS: Dr. Sanjay Gupta helping to straighten it all out for us, tonight. Doc, we sure appreciate it. Thanks for joining us.

GUPTA: All right, John. Thanks.

*CORRECTION: This item originally stated that CBO predicted that "only approximately 2 million people would switch from employer coverage to the public plan." Media Matters for America regrets the error.

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    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (August 12, 2009 10:29 am ET)
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      The $%&*ing Lewin Group? Who's his next guest, Betsy McCaughye? Maybe I shouldn't ask that...
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    • Author by kfraz43 (August 12, 2009 11:02 am ET)
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      The only thing that saves CNN this morning is that Carol Costello had a segment on the veracity of some of the rumors going around, including a quote from Politifact classifying the Death Panel as a "Pants on Fire" lie.

      I'm noticing that CNN and MSNBC have made more of a specific effort this week to addressing the truth of these rumors - where were they two weeks ago? I guess it was more important to get some mileage out of the panic that the rumors were causing rather than come out with the boring old truth.
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      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (August 12, 2009 11:34 am ET)
           
        Well, it's shaping up that the rest of the week is going to be all about attacking the 11-year-old child who asked Obama a question at the town hall. Fox, of course, is already running with it...
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        • Author by right ON (August 12, 2009 11:40 am ET)
             
          There is no reason to attack an 11-year old girl, that is absurd. But you left out that her mother was a huge Obama donor and this was an obvious plant question.

          Wow, and I thought these town hall meetings were for substantive debate and discussion instead of phony photo ops where liberal politicians are standing up there telling us if we were as smart as they were and had all the "facts" and information that they have we would be on board 100% - with a health care bill that isn't even written yet.
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (August 12, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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      The conservatives logic fails. They're claiming the public option will be the end of private companies, but if they're correct when they say "most Americans don't want this", then most Americans will stick with the private insurers.

      All the people at the town hall meetings that are so outraged will stick to private insurers, and as long as the Republican party exists and continues to be as crazy as it is now, the private insurance companies will have clients!

      The right-wingers really want to have it both ways. They're that kid that pushes other kids in the sandbox, but when someone pushes them, they cry louder than anyone else.
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      • Author by Nuni (August 12, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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        As amazing as it may sound, a lot of these right wing nuts are uninsured and under-insured. I suspect they would turn down an affordable public insurance plan as quickly as those who are eligible turn down Medicare. I'm amazed that out of complete ignorance and prejudice, so many would fight so hard against something that would drastically improve their lives.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (August 12, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
           
        "Dr. Sanjay Gupta helping to straighten it all out for us, tonight. Doc, we sure appreciate it. Thanks for joining us."---Roberts
        He and Roberts didn't do anything but pass on misinformation by not giving their viewers all the information. The most trusted name in news...I think not!
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      • Author by goodnoyz967 (August 13, 2009 1:39 am ET)
           
        But if you receive your health care from your employer (as most do), and your employer decides to drop your coverage and instead pay the 8% penalty, then you could very well end up in the public option. If this happens, and private insurers start losing customers, you will see a growth of the public option and a dwindling of free market choices. I'm not a right winger -- just someone who is not excited about growing the size and scope of the federal government. It's big enough.
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    • Author by guye (August 12, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
         
      I as a Canadian have been watching all this debate if you can call it that with some amusement but also much anger. Listening to the Bills, Shawns and Glenns of the world is very disturbing. They spout nothing but lies and hatred. We have a plan in Canada that although not perfect basically covers everyone. My take on the argument in the US boils down to a poor person that cannot afford coverage is not created equal. You are only equal if you can afford to pay. This is the well off saying I am not willing to have my tax dollars pay for a less fortunate persons medical bills. But also a huge special interest group saying we don't want any competition.

      You can tell a lot about a country by how it treats the less fortunate and as I said before although Canada is not perfect I much prefer our system. We still do have a 2 tiered system though as the well off can afford to head down to the Mayo Clinic should they feel they are not being looked after in a timely manner at home. Very interesting to follow all this our politics is very boring by comparison.
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      • Author by goodnoyz967 (August 13, 2009 1:43 am ET)
           
        Yes, everyone is created equal. But outcomes will often be unequal. Essentially, modern liberals want equality of outcome. But that is impossible to achieve. Except, I suppose, in North Korea. Everyone there certainly is equal. Miserable, but equal.
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    • Author by Fiskerj (August 13, 2009 12:04 am ET)
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      Comparing the CBO analysis to the Lewin analysis is like comparing an the taste of an apple to that of a salmon. They're just different.

      As usual, liberals are too lazy to debate the facts, so they assassinate the messenger. The trouble is, in this case, Lewin's study actually makes a very strong case for single-payer.

      They studied the range of potential ways HR 3200 could be implemented, not just a limited, conservative view the CBO limited its self to. It's just that conservatives are hyping the most extreme potential outcome.

      Truthfully, I'm not sure if its laziness or dishonesty by the likes of MediaMatters. The reality is Americans oppose a government take-over of health care, which is what single-payer does... knowing this, but obsessed with passing single payer anyway, Democrats are left to lie about their intentions.

      What happened to "hope and change"?

      How long, before my comment is censored?
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      • Author by jskdn (August 13, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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        I've heard innumerable favorable references to the Lewin Group's analysis of single-payer in California by advocates of that program. The upshot is that agree with liberals and you're on the side of angels. Disagree and you are the devil.

        This is unfortunate because trying to figure out the implications of health policy changes are extremely complex yet has huge implications. Unless you accurately predict what people will do with a given set of incentives, you may be in for a rude surprise. In fact, instead of the garbage on both sides that is supplanting a substantive debate on issues that cry out for examination, attention to working through and clarifying the differences in these two competing analysis' and other such important questions is what this country needs.
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      • Author by nemystic (August 14, 2009 8:39 am ET)
           
        No kidding. "Media Matters" has a flat-out lie in their "Fact Check" about Lewin--they say "Lewin Group Accused Of "Distributing Skewed Data"" with a quote from the Washington Post articel. Actually, Ingenix was accused of distributing skewed data, and Ingenix owns Lewin, not the other way around. (Which is what the Post said, but MMAN ignores the truth in their own headline.) How can we trust the so-called proponents of accuracy and balance if they don't bother to get the facts straight?
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