Wallace crops VHA doc to falsely suggest Obama administration pressuring vets to end their lives
On Fox News Sunday, Chris Wallace repeatedly cropped quotes from a Veterans Health Administration (VHA) document to falsely suggest that the Obama administration is pressuring veterans to end their lives prematurely and to accuse Assistant Secretary of Veterans Affairs Tammy Duckworth of lying about it. In fact, contrary to Wallace's false assertions, the document he referred to does not require doctors to direct veterans to what conservatives have labeled the "Death Book for Veterans."
Wallace claims document directs VA doctors "to refer all veterans" to "Your Life, Your Choices"
From the August 23 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:
WALLACE: Secretary Duckworth, that's just not true. The VHA put out a directive on July 2, 2009, and I want to put up two pages from that directive. The first one, Page 8. "Primary care practitioners are responsible for giving patients pertinent educational materials, e.g., refer patients to the 'Your Life, Your Choices' module." And on Page 9, it says if they request more information, "patients may be directed to the exercises in 'Your Life, Your Choices.' "
So, as of July 2, 2009 -- last month, more than a month ago -- VA health practitioners were told to refer all veterans -- not just end-of-life veterans, but all 24 million veterans -- to this document, "Your Life, Your Choices."
DUCKWORTH: Let me make a correction there, Chris. What our practitioners were told is to refer patients to any type of a tool. They can use Mr. [Jim] Towey's [director of faith-based initiatives in the Bush administration] if they want to spend the $5 apiece. VA simply was not willing to buy his booklet at $5 per veteran at the time.
WALLACE: But how do you explain --
DUCKWORTH: This is a decision that was made by the previous administration.
WALLACE: It doesn't say, "Give them access to anything." I mean, in the specific VA booklet -- it's only about 15 pages long -- it specifically refers to this booklet twice.
Wallace and Fox crop doc: actually directs patients to " 'Your Life, Your Choices' ... or other published resources"
Fox's Page 8: Practitioners must give "patients pertinent educational materials (e.g., Refer patients to the 'Your Life, Your Choices' module...)":

Actual Page 8: "Refer patients to the 'Your Life, Your Choices' module ... or provide written material such as" VA's advance directives doc. Page 8 of the July 2 release of a VHA Handbook titled "Advance Care Planning and Management of Advance Directives," and signed by Acting Under Secretary for Heath Gerald M. Cross, states [emphasis added]:
Primary care practitioners are responsible for:
[...]
b. Giving patients pertinent educational materials (e.g., Refer patients to the "Your Life, Your Choices" module in MyHealtheVet at the web site http://www.myhealth.va.gov, or provide written material such as Appendix C).
Appendix C directs practitioners to a PDF of the VA's "What You Should Know About Advance Directives" document, dated December 2006.
Fox's Page 9: "Patients may be directed to the exercises in 'Your Life, Your Choices'":

Actual Page 9: "Patients may be directed to the exercises in 'Your Life, Your Choices' ... or other published resources." From the document [emphasis added]:
VA must provide additional information about advance directives and/or assistance in completing forms for all patients who request this service. This assistance may be provided by social workers, or others who are appropriately trained, and must be available to patients in all clinical settings.
a. Content. Designated practitioners need to ensure that the patient understands the meaning of advance care planning and advance directives, including the information listed in subparagraphs 8b to 8f. For patients who already have an advance directive, practitioners also need to cover points in paragraph 8g and 8h. Possible clinical scenarios and treatment options need to be discussed with attention and sensitivity to the patient's individual circumstances, needs, and culture. Patients may be directed to the exercises in "Your Life, Your Choices" (available on My HealtheVet at the web site http://www.myhealth.va.gov), or other published resources.
After Duckworth corrects Wallace, he again airs graphic, falsely suggests she is lying
From the August 23 edition of Fox News Sunday:
DUCKWORTH: Chris, it has not been reinstated. Let me make it clear: The only advanced directive that we have is dated February of 2007. And it actually encourages veterans to use any type of tool or checklist they would like to. There are many, many good ones out there. This "Your Life, Your Choice" [sic] is widely used out there, not just within VA. There are many others that are out there. And veterans are free to use whatever they would like to use. We just urge them to use them.
WALLACE: Let me -- I mean, I just -- I have a problem here. And often -- too often on these shows, we just say, "One person said, and another person said." Secretary Duckworth, I don't know if we're able in the control room to put up the full screen of the VHA directive, but I'd like you to put up the first full screen if you can.
In the VHA directive of July 2, 2009, it says the following on Page 8: "Primary care practitioners are responsible for giving patients pertinent educational materials, e.g., refer patients to the 'Your Life, Your Choices' module." I mean, it's just there in black and white on the VHA directive of July 2.
But VHA doc supports her statement that VHA "encourages veterans to use any type of tool or checklist they would like to." From Pages 9 and 10 of the document, under the heading "Patient-Requested Additional Information About Advance Directives or Assistance in Completing Advance Directive Forms" [emphasis added]:
b. Forms. If requested, appropriately trained staff must assist the patient in completing:
(1) VA Form 10-0137. VA Form 10-0137 (revised December 2006) is a combined DPAHC (Part II) and living will (Part III). A Veteran who does not want to specify treatment preferences may still designate an HCA to make treatment decisions on their behalf. Additionally, a Veteran may specify treatment preferences without designating an HCA. VA Form 10-0137 is available electronically on the VA internet Forms website at http://www.va.gov/vaforms, the VA intranet Forms website at http://vaww.va.gov/vaforms, in iMedConsent™ ("Shared" category), and with a link on the National Center for Ethics in Health Care web site at http://vaww.ethics.va.gov, (This is an internal web site not available to the public.) and My HealtheVet at http://www.myhealth.va.gov. NOTE: VA recognizes State-authorized forms and DOD advance directives to the extent they are consistent with VA policy.
(a) To provide further information about their treatment goals, specific treatment preferences, etc., patients may attach one or more additional page(s), each of which must be initialed and dated, to VA Form 10-0137. This may consist of blank sheets on which patients write what they wish or pages from existing documents (e.g., worksheets from "Your Life, Your Choices" or other available sources. To ensure that the document filed in the patient's record is complete, VA Form 10-0137and any supplemental pages must be scanned (or filed) together, to create a single document.
Transcript
From the August 23 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:
WALLACE: If I may, Ms. Duckworth, because we have limited time here --
DUCKWORTH: Sure.
WALLACE: Why would a question -- I can understand questions about if you're in an irreversible coma, do you want us to pull the plug. But why -- as I asked Mr. Towey -- why would you even have a question in an end-of-life plan-- counseling book about, "If you're in a wheelchair, if you're living in a nursing home, does that make life worth living?"
DUCKWORTH: Well, I know that before I was injured, I certainly let my husband know that, you know, being in a wheelchair was something that I feared and I was afraid for, but that I also wanted my life prolonged. This is a tool. This is a simple tool that was put into place, as I said, under Secretary [Jim] Nicholson. It was something that was used throughout -- and let me make a correction. We've not used it since 2007, when under the Bush administration, we decided to go ahead and revise it.
This checklist is still under revision on a timetable according to a program that was actually decided on under the previous administration. Because I know that President Bush and Secretary Nicholson and Secretary [James] Peake all valued life. And that's what we're doing, is we're revising it. It will be out in 2010. It's not yet out. So Mr. Towey was not correct by saying --
WALLACE: Secretary Duckworth, that's just not true. The VHA put out a directive on July 2, 2009, and I want to put up two pages from that directive. The first one, Page 8. "Primary care practitioners are responsible for giving patients pertinent educational materials, e.g., refer patients to the 'Your Life, Your Choices' module." And on Page 9, it says if they request more information, "patients may be directed to the exercises in 'Your Life, Your Choices.' "
So, as of July 2, 2009 -- last month, more than a month ago -- VA health practitioners were told to refer all veterans -- not just end-of-life veterans, but all 24 million veterans -- to this document, "Your Life, Your Choices."
DUCKWORTH: Let me make a correction there, Chris. What our practitioners were told is to refer patients to any type of a tool. They can use Mr. Towey's if they want to spend the $5 apiece. VA simply was not willing to buy his booklet at $5 per veteran at the time.
WALLACE: But how do you explain --
DUCKWORTH: This is a decision that was made by the previous administration.
WALLACE: It doesn't say, "Give them access to anything." I mean, in the specific VA booklet -- it's only about 15 pages long -- it specifically refers to this booklet twice.
DUCKWORTH: The only directive that is out there is actually left over from -- I believe it was beginning of 2007, our advanced planning directive put into place, and it is actually very clear in saying that we need to provide veterans with information that they can make on how they want their care.
You know, this ultimately is about the care and health care for veterans, and we're actually expanding benefits for veterans. We're actually trying to get more priority aid veterans to sign up for VA benefits. We estimate it will be another 500,000 veterans coming in for benefits. We are expanding VA benefits to veterans. It is in our best interest to make sure that every veteran out there receives the care and access to the treatments and everything that he needs. Because after all, these are the men and women who fought for us and fought -- and they deserve nothing less than the best care.
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DUCKWORTH: Chris, it has not been reinstated. Let me make it clear: The only advanced directive that we have is dated February of 2007. And it actually encourages veterans to use any type of tool or checklist they would like to. There are many, many good ones out there. This "Your Life, Your Choice" [sic] is widely used out there, not just within VA. There are many others that are out there. And veterans are free to use whatever they would like to use. We just urge them to use them.
WALLACE: Let me -- I mean, I just -- I have a problem here. And often -- too often on these shows, we just say, "One person said, and another person said." Secretary Duckworth, I don't know if we're able in the control room to put up the full screen of the VHA directive, but I'd like you to put up the first full screen if you can.
In the VHA directive of July 2, 2009, it says the following on Page 8: "Primary care practitioners are responsible for giving patients pertinent educational materials, e.g., refer patients to the 'Your Life, Your Choices' module." I mean, it's just there in black and white on the VHA directive of July 2.
DUCKWORTH: Chris, I'm sorry. I can't see that on a monitor in here. I will tell you that I know for a fact that the only directive signed by Secretary [Eric] Shinseki -- I mean, signed by a VA secretary -- was actually signed by Secretary Nicholson, and it's dated February of 2007. What you're looking at may not actually be a directive. So I -- since I can't see it -- I'd be happy to come back and discuss it with you.















"When...Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...becomes destructive...abolish it. Despotism...is necessary for the public good."
It's in there! When is Chris going to get on it?
However, Rachel Maddow "always" speaks from a liberal, progressive democratic way 100% of the time. So, there is "NO" similarities with the two. Just saying... Wink, wink. LOL
Recess is over. Time to get back to class, stark colbert.
Given your posting history, you are nothing but a cheap shot. By the way, are you the same genius that posts with a luckfibs handle? It's right up your alley.
Cable news proves once again why it's become the most destructive force ever when it comes to political discourse.
It's the only chance they have to win.
They know their success depends on controlling the airwaves and finding enough ignorant Americans to follow along like sheep.
Randy
It's that common sense advice that will ultimately lead to more people refusing treatments and choosing to let nature take its course.
It's not that those vets will be euthanized, and they won't face death panels, but there will be more people choosing to stop the invasive methods. But those on the right are twisting it however they can.
Natural death does not mean a machine breathing for you while you lie in a coma for years.
Fox News is really going to spend a lot of news cycle time on a VA document reference trying to claim that the VA wants soldiers to kill themselves?
Well I guess this August has proved at least one thing: doesn't matter how false it may be, the conservative press will give it full airing and try to convince people it is true ...
I wish i could ask Mike Wallace if he follows this & does he Agree?
Chris Wallace went to Fox News to be different than his Father.
Mike Wallace needs to stand up and be heard, or is he to busy to be Bothered?
Speak truth to power.
Mr. News
I know this, if I were on a ventilator with no chance for recovery, the government, Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Tom Coeburn, or any other right wing freak has no business dictating anything to my family. Realistically, Sean Hannity and his ilk want the government to have the power to force people into miserable living conditions, if we could ask Terry Shiavo, would she agree?
Below is an embedded copy of Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) Form 10-0137B, What You Should Know About Advance Directives. VA Form 10-0137B can also be found on the VA Forms Intranet web site at http://vaww.va.gov/vaforms , and Internet web site at
http://www.va.gov/vaforms/ . This is to be used for local reproduction. This form will also be stocked by the Hines Service and Distribution Center (formerly known as the Forms and
Publications Depot).
Hmmmmm.........
10-0137B
It is obviously written in a seemingly harmless jargon that hides the fact that the gov't is allowed to kill our veterans.
So the truly faithful are obliged to use any means necessary -- lies, scare tactics, smears -- to keep people from even learning about the option.
Craig couldn't have said it better. I would proudly wear those words on a T-Shirt. What's so bad about peace, love, and freedom of choice?
Set
Match
I'm surprised it to the cons this long to find out about this one. I've said on MMFA many times that the VA offers me end-of-life services every single time I visit, primarily in the form of a pamphlet on how to set up a living will, if I agree to receive one in the mail. That dates back to the Bush administration...of course they didn't complain about then, and somehow we know it's all Obama's fault anyway.
When I say the VA, of course I'm referring to the single-payer public-option government run socialized medicine that is my veteran's hospital. If the right is taking such a hard look at the VA, then wouldn't they want to abolish veterans' healthcare?
Most of the cons don't have anyone who uses the VA (you have to have actually been in the military - just wearing a flag pin doesn't count) so, all they see is a place where money is being spent in a way that is unlikely to generate campaign contributions. Not to mention that it stands as an affront to their argument that the government can't run a health care system.
p.s. it's probably best to let the active-duty medical corps keep a low-profile too. Unlike United Health Care, WellPoint and BC/BS they don't contribute to campaigns either
Hey... it's a world wide conspiracy!
They are all trying to kill us!
I realize from your posts that you're only semi-literate, but surely if you're capable of putting in two posts you're capable of backing up what you say. Aren't you?
Or are you seeking to prove that YOU are the one who can't be honest about anything?
I read Your Life, Your Choices and I defy you to find any advocacy of suicide it in.
Will life-saving treatment for cancer and other illnesses -- like that Sen. Ted Kennedy received, prolonging his life for over a year -- be covered by the 'public' option? More theoretically, do you folks believe it should be covered?
All of you want to run our lives, but your collective IQ make it impossible for you to do so.
People who are not dead can vote. This means that once the Democrats back a Public Option and it keeps Dad from pushing up the daisies, Dad might just be grateful when he goes to the polls. Conversely, dead Dad can't vote, and dead Dad's survivors might be a little ticked off about that - so depriving dead Dad of disease defying drugs doesn't make sense.
On the other hand, your insurance companies already let my dad die. and they tried to kill my mom, too. Mom used to be Republican. Guess who Mom votes for these days?
But, then, since when does a conservative let a little thing like rational thought get in his way?
Actaully the left is assigning value to individual lives.
Just answer the question!
Would Tricare cover this treatment? Yes
Will the public option cover this treatment? Yes
What kind of idiot would ask such an obvious question? A foxnews sycophant
Maybe when they get back the close to 3 trillion in false claims from an amazingly small number of private health organizations they'll look better.
You might back up you opinions.
I fear the latter is of a very small probability.
I am in the military. When my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer, guess how much we paid out of pocket?
$1,000.00 out of over $56,000 in bills.
It paid for the bilateral mastectomy and breast reconstruction, and everythign in between.
So STFU.
And I am talking about the care she received. She is cancer free for a year and a half and very happy about the care she received.
You think I would I care about how much money we spent if she was in pain, or still fighting the cancer?
You are projecting.
Might be a truth or two somewhere swathed in neocon talking points.
An equitable person might make mention of the the militant rightwing, the dominianist christians, and their potential threat. Some of the wingnut rhetoric directed at our lastest supreme court justice.
Your joke at Ms. Madow'a sexuality above.
Nope its just us bad ole liberals projecting.
What a bunch of bull, even for you, Stark. You just called Sotomayor a race-baiter a couple of days ago. I realize once I asked you for some evidence to back up your ridiculous statement you ran away from the thread and never came back. But your statement still stands, you claimed that both Obama and Sotomayor were race-baiters. You said it, and you should back it up.
killing him. Why doesn't he get rid of it?
Oh and speaking of assigning value to lives chew on this:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html
http://sickforprofit.com/
and as a real true scout of conservative "free market" drivel this finding by Ezra Klein should really upset you:
"...In the modern health-care system, there is no higher power than the insurance market. And the insurers who populate that market have grown all the stronger. The Justice Department judges an industry "highly concentrated" if a single company controls more than 42 percent of the market. By that definition, 94 percent of statewide insurance markets are highly concentrated. A recent study by the advocacy organization Health Care for America Now showed that in Indiana, WellPoint controls 60 percent of the insurance market; in Iowa, Wellmark accounts for 71 percent; and in Alabama, Blue Cross/Blue Shield holds 83 percent. In the past 13 years, there have been more than 400 corporate mergers involving health insurers.
Economics textbooks tell us that concentrated markets reduce the competitive behavior that benefits consumers and lead to outsize profits for the dominant firms. Predictably, health-care premiums shot up more than 90 percent between 2000 and 2007, while the profits of the 10 largest insurers increased 428 percent over the same period. Clinton had promised us managed care within managed competition. Instead, the insurers took control of our care and managed to effectively end competition. Neat trick..."
Now see how silly your question was?
Response to the supporter of the psycopathic ex-VP.
Yes.
Yes.
Though I am more becoming tilted toward the German or Japanese systems. Not single payer, but a lot cheaper than what we have, while answering pretty much all the right wing objections.
On top of that, they don't have the compromises the Canadian and British systems have, so they can't be attacked as easily.
Do you really expect to be taken seriously or are you like one of those town hallers out just to display their idiocy?
You are a disgrace.
He knew even ahead of Duckworth's complaint of not being able to see graphics that there was some sort of problem with it because he explained the problem. Then he goes on to read Duckworth the cropped quote and reads it to her smoothly as if it was a continuous quote not making it clear to her that there were cropping dots in the quote.
A quick notes on Soldiers: when you deploy, you go through what is called an SRP (Soldier Readiness Processing) where you go through various stations (dental, shots, finance, etc). One of the stations is Legal, where they ask if you have a will, living will and/or powers of attorney. If you wish, they will assist you in preparing these documents. There is nothing nefarious about their goal; they only want to make sure your last wishes are followed.
Coem on! Cat'n yuo raed?!
Using their rhetoric:
Regardless of your condition or the remaining time you have, we are going to require that doctors perform every expensive procedure and every single test we can think of. We are going to prescribe you with every medication we can pump into your veins even if it leaves you a drooling vegetable. We are going to continue these treatments until you and your family's savings have been drained of every last cent that we can squeeze from your suffering.
We are going to keep you on life support until you are just a husk of human being and even then we will have Congressional hearings to determine if it is finally appropritate to allow you to die, regardless of how you feel about it.
We will provide NO end of life literature or couciling because it is our intent to see that you remain beholding to our health care system until the day we finally allow you to shuffle off of this mortal coil.
Your own dignity is secondary. We have a huge private health care/pharma industry that must be fed it's enormous profits in order to survive, and with our fists so deep in their pie, we fear losing our own fingers should it begin to dry up.
TERRY SCHIAVO!!!
That's all we need to point to. They were trying to keep her alive based on DeLay's video diagnosis of her brain capabilities.
Too bad the autopsy didn't agree with him.
And then we can assume that the grass is both green and pink.
Why should we ask that question when it posits a scenario that no one is proposing should exist? Nobody has proposed anything that has the faintest trace of a resemblance to that scenario.
Surely you're not engaging in groundless fearmongering, are you?
Where was all the outrage during Terry Schiavo incident?
Sure looks to me as though you're buying into it. It's funny how you say there's truth to it and then fail to provide any evidence of that truth.
Center for Desease Control.
The US armed forces.
Department of Defence.
Food and Drug Administration.
Medicare.
Medicade.
Department of Agriculture.
Interstate Comerce Commission.
Federal Communication Commission.
FBI.
CIA.
Education.
Envirenmental Protection Agency.
Interstate Highways.
Rules for banking.
International Trade Policies.
minimum wage.
Federal Courts.
It will probably take to long to disassemble all of this. I see your future happyness in some other country.
(Stark usually evaporates when presented with rational arguments.)
Then which programs that are run by "our bumbling idiot of a government" are you referring to? Because clearly your disdain for govt. implies that some programs should be removed. Which ones?
The directive is from Feb 2007, but it was revised July 2. The revision consists of adding a couple words the doc says were inadvertently left out. Close friend was added to the list of acceptable health care surrogates.
The doc is from Feb 2007, the revision was to correct an error only, not a change in meaning, and not referring to anything in the discussion.