McCaughey returns to CNBC with another false health care attack
On CNBC, serial misinformer Betsy McCaughey again advanced a falsehood about health care reform, claiming that the "legislation that's now in Congress will force everyone under age 65 to buy the same one-size-fits-all government plan" and that "Page 16" of the House bill "says you must be enrolled in a qualified plan." In fact, McCaughey's claims are false; the provision she referred to does not require anyone to give up their private individual health insurance plan.
McCaughey: Legislation will "force" everyone "to buy the same one-size-fits-all government plan"
From the August 28 edition of CNBC's The Kudlow Report:
McCAUGHEY: The legislation that's now in Congress will force everyone under age 65 to buy the same one-size-fits-all government plan.
JULIE ROGINSKY (Democratic strategist): No, it won't.
McCAUGHEY: You won't have the choice of a high-deductible plan.
ROGINSKY: How is that possible? It's an option.
McCAUGHEY: Because -- no it is not.
ROGINSKY: It's an option. It's a public option.
McCAUGHEY: On Page 16 and 17 of the House Bill 3200, you must be in a qualified plan.
ROGINSKY: Betsy --
McCAUGHEY: It will be defined by the health choices commission --
ROGINSKY: With all -- let me answer that, because with all due -- may I answer your point? With all due respect, this is much like your contention that the government is gonna tell old people to off themselves -- it's just not accurate. It's just not.
McCAUGHEY: They're not going to get the care they need with the $500 billion cut.
ROGINSKY: Actually, it's a public option. The word option means that you have an option. It's not a public mandate, it's a public option.
McCAUGHEY: I'm not talking about the public plan.
LARRY KUDLOW (host): Well let me put a cap --
McCAUGHEY: Page 16 in the bill says you must be enrolled in a qualified plan, whether it's public or private, it's designed by the government. The health choices commissioner is gonna outline --
ROGINSKY: Much --
[crosstalk]
KUDLOW: Let me cap this.
McCAUGHEY: -- how much leeway your doctor will have.
Page 16 does not "force everyone under age 65 to buy the same one-size-fits-all government plan." In fact, the provision to which McCaughey referred establishes the conditions under which existing private plans would be exempted from the requirement that they participate in the Health Insurance Exchange. Individual health insurance plans that do not meet the "grandfather" conditions would still be available for purchase, but only through the Exchange and subject to those regulations. According to the House committees' summary of the bill, the Health Insurance Exchange "creates a transparent and functional marketplace for individuals and small employers to comparison shop among private and public insurers."
McCaughey previously falsely claimed on Kudlow that the Senate bill "pushes Americans into low-budget plans." On the June 16 edition of The Kudlow Report, McCaughey claimed that the Senate HELP bill "pushes Americans into low-budget plans" and that the bill "restricts the choice that other Americans have. If you have your plan and you like it, you may not be able to keep it unless it's an HMO-style plan. That's Section 3101." In fact, Section 3101 of the legislation contains a provision explicitly prohibiting compelled enrollment in health benefit gateway programs established in the bill to help qualified individuals purchase qualified health insurance plans. According to the bill, the gateway program is "voluntary" and the legislation specifically states that "[n]o individual shall be compelled to enroll in a qualified health plan or to participate in a Gateway."
McCaughey: serial misinformer on health care
Betsy McCaughey is a serial misinformer who has perpetuated numerous falsehoods about health care reform. McCaughey has on numerous occasions propagated falsehoods about health reform proposals that were subsequently parroted by the conservative media. McCaughey falsely claimed that the House health care reform bill would "absolutely require" end-of-life counseling for seniors on Medicare "that will tell them how to end their life sooner" -- a claim that many in the media subsequently repeated. McCaughey has repeatedly falsely claimed that the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee's bill "basically" "pushes everyone into an HMO-style plan." Additionally, McCaughey concocted the false claim, which was nonetheless widely repeated in the media, that a health IT provision in the economic recovery act enabled government bureaucrats to "monitor treatments" or restrict what "your doctor is doing" with regard to patient care.
I blame the Media for having her on.
It's as irresponsible as an Attorney putting his lying client on the Witness Stand.
When will CNN & MSNBC stop trying to appease the HeartLand?
Speak truth to power.
Mr. News
That is the most unusual statement I have seen on this site. CNN and MSNBC are so far left they're in the Pacific Ocean. They have McCaughey on to attract new viewers irrespective of what her opinions are. They are feebly trying to make money and not doing a very good job of it.
What are you talking about? Is this your first visit here? CNN and MSNBC are NOT left, they at times speak truth, but still have folks like Lou Dobbs on their network. You're statement is a product of your indoctrination into the propaganda that the "media" are somehow politically aligned with the left. Not only does this site prove this false daily, but I believe that, outside of Fox that champion Republicans and smear Dems at every opportunity, the rest of the media serve their corporatist owners first and foremost and their agenda is most definitely not aligned with the progressive movement.
You post is laughable
CNN and MSNBC go out of the way to make sure their reporters do not give a personal slant ..... no scripted questions causing someone to wonder... saying things in a manner to cause someone to believe something .... giving personal opinions as fact.... then the best is having 4 people of one opinion attacking 1 with an opposing view
It's time for the media to let her go.
Let her become the vague memory for all of us, as fact are to her.
I still don't understand why he treated her differently from the way he dealt with Jim Cramer.
McCaughey came off as a witless simpleton. I think Jon felt sorry for her. On that show, she did more damage to herself than Jon could ever do.
It was like watching a train wreck.
She's either lying through her teeth to try and sway people, or she misreads and misunderstands these bills. Either way the truth lies, she shouldn't be informing anyone on anything, except potential buyers for a pet cricket.
2. It's not paranoid when it's in the bill. Your talking point is innacurate and tired.
Fact #2: People who don't have coverage after the plan begins will still be able to obtain FULL coverage outside the public option.
Fact #3: There is no reason to exempt those with private coverage from paying the taxes that cover the public option. It's comparable to the idiots who say they shouldn't have to pay taxes for schools if they don't have children.
My point was that it's apples & oranges, not the same situation as you're implying by bringing up euro countries that have public/private mix.
Randy
Well, gee. That can't be right. How can France have a better system (e.g. more cost effective) than the good ole USA?
I mean really, they have all those liberals running everything, it has to be broke.
No what might happen type of speculation pleze.
Please prove it.
"In fact, the provision to which McCaughey referred establishes the conditions under which existing private plans would be exempted from the requirement that they participate in the Health Insurance Exchange. Individual health insurance plans that do not meet the "grandfather" conditions would still be available for purchase, but only through the Exchange and subject to those regulations. According to the House committees' summary of the bill, the Health Insurance Exchange "creates a transparent and functional marketplace for individuals and small employers to comparison shop among private and public insurers."
This is the latest lie from the left. Sure, there's no bill. That's why it was supposed to passed by the House and Senate and signed a month ago BEFORE the August recess.
Yeah, there's no bill, right. And just trust us, socialism has worked everywhere it's been tried.
LIARS
What you typed is *not* in plain English. It is in technical legal language, which may account for why you got it wrong. But you certainly did get it wrong. Nowhere in the passage you quoted does it say the individual will not be able to choose a private plan.
Please don't lie. I just did a search on this page for "exchange," and nowhere do you come even close to saying that.
The idea being:
1) If you have good insurance, you keep it.
2) If your current employer doesn't supply insurance, or can get it cheaper, they can buy it through the exchange.
3) If you need to purchase insurance on your own, you can purchase it through the exchange or use the public option.
Obviously there is a LOT more to the health care debate but; that should cover this.
What you quote doesn't even come close to proving your contention that citizens would not be able to buy private insurance if the public option is available.
If you actually went to the link MMFA provided, you would see that the section you quote requires insurance companies to meet certain standards, to take pare in the Health Insurance Exchange. For example, it gives people a variety of plans to choose from and ensures that benefits are standardized. Nowhere does the language say that individuals will not be able to choose private insurance.
" A critical piece is a new Health Insurance Exchange (Exchange) for individuals and businesses to allow them to comparison shop for coverage."
There are some plans out there now with very high deductables, and co-pays, with many things not covered at all. These are probably worse than no coverage at all.
Show us where in the proposed bill that it states that everyone has to go the public option route? It's not in there, it is called imaginary.
From one of the links that MMfA provided above. Get it?
Apparently you don't "get it". Thanks for proving you wrong. No where does it imply ANYTHING about forcing people to do anything. You terrorist teabaggers are pathetic liars.
You're using your fortune telling skills again saying that it it's "immediate" transfer into the public option, but there is also nothing in there saying that you NEED to transfer to the public option ever.
So I said OR an "exchange" plan.
If you are not familiar with legal documents, you may not understand that the things have to be taken completely in context or they may be construed to say just about anything the reader wants them to say.
You said insurance supermarket. You did not say exchange plan. Here is what you said: "And that includes MMfA for repeating the lie that the healthcare bills won't force everyone to get into the public option or the insurance supermarket."
I have never heard the phrase "insurance supermarket," and a google search doesn't show that it is a commonly used term. At any rate, it has nothing to do with McCaughy's contention, that we will all be forced into a one size fits all government plan.
You did a good job trying to get the folks in here to see your point.
I think it is hopeless for most posters on this site.
Anyway, enjoyed seeing you try.
Keep it up.
I know McCaughy is wrong, people were arguing with me that MMfA can be just as misleading on this debate.
Could you please show me where MMFA is being misleading?
Nothing in paragraph (1) shall prevent the
11 offering, other than through the Health Insurance
12 Exchange, of excepted benefits so long as it is of13
fered and priced separately from health insurance
14 coverage. Grandfathering is for the purpose of a 5 year grace period. Y1 = 2013.
Everyone will get into either a company sponsored plan, or a qualified plan they select. That's how a supermarket works, a lot of brands and the customer choses.
The public option is only for those who do not have company insurance and can't find a competitive private plan.
Remember, Japan and Germany both spend a lot less on health care, and they both do it through the private insurance, with public regulation and public care for the poor.
Her interview on John Stewart's The Daily Show was excellent.
Some people take an entire sentence out of context, or even focus on a single phrase, sentence, or paragraph, when establishing their opinion. She reads a word and has her mind made up. For someone who has been reading legislation for years, this is amazing!
She is throwing her credentials around to back up her claims. She is more an opportunist. A lifelong Republican, she switched to Democrat in 1997 to run for office using her name recognition and husband's money.
It does not matter how wrong she is. She is getting what she wants. The news programs are getting what they want. The only people who lose are us Americans who are getting lower quality news.
THESE fools, who are debating about health care, HAVE IT! My daughter has a mediocre health plan. Anything else they pay out of pocket. So if your child NEEDS intensive care post operatively, you go bankrupt.
I'm and ICU nurse, who taught nursing in MI and PA. I moved to France because of my husband's job. WHAT an eye opener on the health care system! My daughter had headaches (possible migraines) and received a CT scan the next day (I paid NOTHING!).
I've had doctor's COME to my house in the middle of the night to check my chest pain with an EKG machine.
GOD, how I wish the same for my family and fellow Americans.
now personally well done for proving that other countries have better care than us
Most items that you purchase for your home will be taxed at 19.6%.
As you know, no good conservative wants to give up any of his hard earned money to support a government program. That is the big issue with them, government and the taxes needed to run the system are considered evil. There is no debate on that in their mind.
No she is not. What you stated is correct, but you are stating something different than what she did. She stated that individuals will be forced into a one-size fits all government program. That is false.
Randy
Of course, most prostitutes know when to take a break
Dr. McCaughey is saying the government will kill grandma. Preexisting conditions will kill grandma. The health care industry is cutting off the extremes, to cut costs. The world is flat, look at it my way, the health care industry reasons. Whatever goes off the edge of our profit plateau are liabilities they will not suffer, they calculate. It does not matter, we own the politicians, all glee. From healthiest to worst; get in line tame a number, and have a seat! Raise rates on the healthy, and stop renewing policies, when our liability goes up, is mechanical.
It is about profit. O.K. So long as I understand the objective, control of health care by corporations, it is a very simple matter to address.
The ancient civilization of Athena, before Greece, would take the dying, elderly, and any child with disorders, with the mother, to the mountains, to die. They would not tolerate imperfection. Pseudo capitalism: profit is the same. Athena could not provide health care. Less liability. The heath care industry profits by having less liability. A faultless cycle.
The end is a beginning, to something else.
It be it,
Ronin Kannushi.
It's not a bill yet. It's not law. Nobody is taking your security blanket away from you. Go take a xanax and talk to me when you've come back to reality.
swill, but stop them in their tracks with questions and challenges. Is that too much to ask?
First you do not bring up your opponents popular issues, no matter how false. Second, you don't say then are not accurate, you call them lies. Third, you don't say, With all due respect, that is pretentious and gives the opposition an opportunity to cut you off again.
Oh, and you make your point, you don't divert or beat around the bush.
And call it a lie from the beginning.
Strong words carry better than weak words.