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Conservative media accuse Obama of "indoctrinating" kids with back-to-school speech

September 03, 2009 9:58 am ET — 121 Comments

Numerous conservative media figures have baselessly accused President Obama of trying to "indoctrinate" America's children with his planned back-to-school speech encouraging students to succeed and persist in their studies. Sean Hannity claimed that "it seems very close to indoctrination," while Fox News commentator Monica Crowley said "just when you think this administration can't get any more surreal and Orwellian, here they come to indoctrinate our kids"; similarly, Michelle Malkin claimed that "the left has always used kids in public schools as guinea pigs and as junior lobbyists for their social liberal agenda."

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Secretary Duncan: Obama speech "about persisting and succeeding in school"

Duncan: Speech is  about "the importance of education" and "persisting and succeeding in school." In an August 26 letter to principals, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan described Obama's September 8 speech as being about "the importance of education" and "persisting and succeeding in school." Duncan also offered K-12 "classroom activities" to "engage students and stimulate discussion on the importance of education in their lives."

White House aide: "This isn't a policy speech. This is a speech designed to encourage kids to stay in school." In a post on his ABCNews.com blog Political Punch, ABC senior White House correspondent Jake Tapper quoted a White House aide responding to accusations portraying "the address as more of a policy speech rather than a specific educational address to children." Tapper wrote that "[t]he White House says the intention of the speech -- and the lesson plans -- have been misunderstood." From his post:

White House aide said this has to do with meeting the goals the President will lay out about personal responsibility for students.

"The goal of the speech and the lesson plans is to challenge students to work hard in school, to not drop out and to meet short-term goals like behaving in class, doing their homework and goals that parents and teachers alike can agree are noble," a White House spokesman tells ABC News, "This isn't a policy speech. This is a speech designed to encourage kids to stay in school."

Showing the speech is not mandatory for schools. In the same blog post, Tapper rebutted accusations from Florida Republican Party chairman Jim Greer that students will be "forced" to watch the speech. Tapper wrote: "Schools districts across the country have the option to choose if they show the President's address to their students":

"As the father of four children, I am absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama's socialist ideology," Jim Greer, Chairman of the Republican Party of Florida said, "The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the President justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power."

The Department of Education though did not "force" -- as Greer claims -- schools to do anything. Schools districts across the country have the option to choose if they show the President's address to their students.

Greer goes on to say said that the President has turned to America's children to "spread his liberal lies" by "indoctrinating American's youngest children before they have a chance to decide for themselves."

Again there is no evidence to support that charge.

Conservative media pick up meme; suggest Obama will "indoctrinate" children to carry out agenda

Drudge: "Obama to make unprecedented address to all public school students; September 8 ... Dept. issues a 'to do' list ..." On September 1, Internet gossip Matt Drudge linked to a Department of Education document that gives K-6 teachers suggestions for activities and discussions related to Obama's speech. Drudge linked to the document with the headline: "Obama to make unprecedented address to all public school students; September 8 ... Dept. issues a 'to do' list..."

Michelle Malkin: "School Indoctrination," "No junior lobbyist left behind." In her September 2 Creators Syndicate column, Malkin claimed that Obama's speech amounts to recruiting "junior lobbyists." She also wrote that "parents have every right to worry about their children being used as Political Guinea Pigs for Change."

Hannity: "It seems very close to indoctrination." During an interview with Malkin, Hannity said on his show that the president's speech "seems very close to indoctrination." In her reply, Malkin stated: [T]his is not merely a morale-boosting speech that he's giving. He's giving it in the context of his Obamacare plan completely under siege. We know that the left has always used kids in public schools as guinea pigs and as junior lobbyists for their social liberal agenda." Later, Malkin said Obama will "actually deliver a very innocuous speech. I can guarantee you that. But in these classrooms, which are living laboratories for left-wing activism, what you're going to get are overzealous teachers, teachers' union brass who are in the hip pockets of the Democrat Party, urge their kids to write letters, to demonize Obamacare opponents, and to call them opponents of change." [Fox News' Hannity, 9/2/09]

Crowley: "This is what Chairman Mao did." On Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Laura Ingraham said the speech is "just another slick attempt to brand Barack Obama" and that "it's a message being sent out by the Department of Education with these questions that without a doubt lead to the further branding of Barack Obama as a savior of our school children." Also during the segment, Crowley said, "[J]ust when you think that this administration can't get any more surreal and Orwellian, here he comes to indoctrinate our children," and, "[T]his is what Chairman Mao did, Laura. This is like Max Headroom, this is going into every single classroom. There is no escape from him." [Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, 9/2/09]

Beck connects Mussolini to purported Obama "indoctrination next week." Discussing a bas-relief supposedly representing Mussolini, Beck said: "Gee, who is having indoctrination next week? Oh, yeah, that's right, the president, completely unrelated. This represents, at the time this was made, Mussolini. This was Mussolini. By the way, the artist that made this -- his son, ironically and tragically died fighting the army of Mussolini years after this was made." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 9/2/09]

The Fox Nation: "Will You Keep Your Kids Home the Day Obama Speaks to Schools?" On September 3, the Fox Nation highlighted Obama's speech, asking whether he was "going after school children for help." The FoxNews.com article the Fox Nation linked to includes the headline, "Critics Decry Obama's 'Indoctrination' Plan for Students."

Lou Dobbs fill-in Stigall: "Obama has effectively called a meeting of your children ... [to] mold them into a discussion and a way of thinking without you there." On The Lou Dobbs Show, guest host Chris Stigall said:

STIGALL: Folks, I'll say this in a different way. If Barack Obama wants time with our schoolchildren -- your children, my children, our country's children. If he thinks it's important to talk about the attributes of education, hard work, go getting a good job, nose to the grindstone, work ethic, education's important -- all those things. I didn't say the message was bad. Don't confuse his message with what's at issue here. At issue is Barack Obama has effectively called a meeting of your children with direction of public school teachers to guide them and shape them and mold them into a discussion and a way of thinking without you there. [...] He gets away with this once, it'll happen again and again. What other helpful piece of advice could President Obama disseminate at noon while you're not around. This is not his job, and it is sure as hell not his job when you're not around." [The Lou Dobbs Show, 9/02/09]

Limbaugh fill-in Mark Steyn: Obama's speech is part of "cult of personality." On the September 2 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show, Steyn claimed: "What he's going to do apparently, is he's going to tell them to write letters to themselves about what they could do to help the president, which I find sort of slightly unhealthy. I mean it's all part of the cult of personality. Obviously it's not -- we're not talking about the cult of personality on the kind of Kim Jong II, Saddam Hussein scale."

Steyn: Obama's speech based on view that education exists to make kids "good subjects" of big gov't. On Limbaugh, Steyn also said that "President Obama is going to beam himself into every schoolhouse in the country and give an address to school children. I don't know how you feel about this, but it doesn't seem quite right to me. [...] It doesn't seem entirely consistent with the idea of education, and it seems to be closer to what is a consistent part of the model here that he learned in Chicago from William Ayers, that essentially the public education system is a useful tool for getting children to be good subjects of the big government state when they grow up." [The Rush Limbaugh Show, 9/02/09]

Transcripts:

From the September 2 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

INGRAHAM: And the president's proposals are becoming increasingly viewed as controversial and then, presto, he's doing this online address that's going to be seen by hundreds of thousands of kids --

ALAN COLMES (Fox News contributor): Yeah.

INGRAHAM: -- across the United States. And people are like, well, this is just another slick attempt to brand Barack Obama.

[...]

INGRAHAM: Nothing is mandatory -- nothing is mandatory, but it's a message being sent out by the Department of Education with these questions --

COLMES: It is guidelines; it's up to local schools, up to teachers --

INGRAHAM: -- that without a doubt lead to the further branding of Barack Obama as a savior our schoolchildren.

From the September 2 edition of Fox News' Hannity:

HANNITY: I want to ask you, though, I would not normally have a problem with any president that wants to address schoolchildren, wants to encourage them to study hard, to develop -- to learn, to have a great education, to inspire them that America is the greatest country and they can be all they can be.

But when you read the specifics here -- what is the president asking me to do? How can I help the president? Now we're getting into an area where it seems very close to indoctrination, or at least has the potential. Your thoughts.

MALKIN: Well, my first thought is that people have to understand the context, the timing, and the culture of this speech. You know a lot of leftists and Fox bashers will make fun of us for calling attention to this event and say, what's the big deal? And they'll point to some sort of prepared text from Obama that looks very innocuous on its face.

But this is not merely a morale-boosting speech that he's giving. He's giving it in the context of his Obamacare plan completely under siege. We know that the left has always used kids in public schools as guinea pigs and as junior lobbyists for their social liberal agenda.

[...]

MALKIN: Yeah. Well, as I said, it's not about the text. He'll actually deliver a very innocuous speech. I can guarantee you that. But in these classrooms, which are living laboratories for left-wing activism, what you're going to get are overzealous teachers, teachers' union brass who are in the hip pockets of the Democrat Party, urge their kids to write letters, to demonize Obamacare opponents, and to call them opponents of change.

And we've seen this at the town halls. Obama is not above using an 11- year-old girl as his conduit for attacking a town hall protester's signs as, quote-unquote, "mean." He did that in New Hampshire, and that girl was the daughter of an Obamacare acolyte. They are using these kids as political guinea pigs for hope and change. And we know what it's really all about.

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    • Author by Übermensch (September 03, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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      And we as a society are to accept these outlets as journalists and take what they say as informative important because?
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      • Author by obamaisasocialist (September 03, 2009 10:26 am ET)
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        Relax, No body goes to Fox news for news. People tune into Fox for entertainment. The News is located on the Drudge report.
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        • Author by jediknight65 (September 03, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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          oh yes completly reliable. love your handle too.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 04, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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            Maybe the Drudge thing was a joke. Maybe the screen name is too. Maybe I'm just a wishful thinker, and don't want to accept the idea that one of my fellow Americans believes those things.
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      • Author by mari2jj (September 04, 2009 2:31 am ET)
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        No, just ignore them. This sort of thing is hatched by the diabolical right wing-nuts and their conclusions are well calculated to stray the furthest from the facts as possible. Amazing how the far right tends to tell such outright lies and then look us all in the eyes and act innocent of any wrongdoing. As a former participant in Republican precinct meetings, I can tell you that their obvious silliness is part of their routine to foment anti-Obama feelings. I plan to take a tape recorder to the next meeting I attend (if I ever get enough stamina to sit through the mess) to see if we can let a bit of sunlight into the doings of this far right wing of our party just to shut them up. Then and only then will we have a functioning opposition party. Right now, I just feel much more at home with Democrats who do not seem to need to tip the scales with a bunch of lies like I hear in Republican meetings.
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    • Author by progressiveright (September 03, 2009 10:18 am ET)
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      The propagandaist saying someone else is spreading propaganda. Now that is the pot calling the kettle black.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (September 03, 2009 10:21 am ET)
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      The many right wing nut jobs who home school their kids are probably complaining that because their kids don't go to regular school and won't be subjected to any Obama indoctrination, that they (the parents) have been deprived of an opportunity to say that Barack Obama is harming their children. Had they known of Obama's talk further in in advance they probably would have hurried to enroll their kids in school...just so they could keep them out. ;>)
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      • Author by princeofwheels (September 03, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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        If the Republicans had any balls, the elected officals would boycott Obamas' speech to both Houses next week to show the parents of these "stay home" kids that they support them. Aren't people afraid their elected officials will also be indoctrinated?

        If that happens, Obama should open his speech to both houses with this line.."So you decided to stay away, well, all I can say is go F@#& yourselves." Since no Republicans will be listening, how will they ever find out?
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        • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 11:28 am ET)
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          The vast majority of republicans aren't going to vote for any health care bill anyway, just like they did with the stim bill. He should just address the democrats in both the House and Senate, since republicans don't seem to care to listen to what he has to say anyway.
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          • Author by yepandproudofit (September 03, 2009 11:14 pm ET)
               
            amen no we dont care what he says.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 04, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
                 
              Darn tootin'. That stayin' in school business just leads to Elitist commie-style capitalization and punctuation.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 04, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
             
          Aren't people afraid their elected officials will also be indoctrinated?

          Good point, POW. Can anybody who's watched the Republicans behavior the past few months seriously argue that they're more mature than grade schoolers?
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    • Author by MickD (September 03, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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      In essence, the President of the United States is holding himself up as a role model in promoting education. Isn't that what America supposedly should be? God, family, school, weeping at flag ceremonies, isn't that what these people want?
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (September 03, 2009 10:37 am ET)
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        They are AFRAID of education...among many other things. The Republican Party of old has been tranformed into the party ignorance and stupidity. Just look at the rank and file Republicans who are out there protesting. Just talk to a regular FOX viewer. Just look at this latest exercise in idiocy...
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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 10:37 am ET)
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      Let's wait and see before everyone freaks out. I haaaaate the sensationalist media who spends more time predicting what may happen and then discussing the possible outcomes and what they might mean before anything actually happens.
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 11:29 am ET)
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        What is there to wait and see about?

        The President of the United States would like to talk directly to school kids, to tell them to stay in school, and educate themselves.

        There is nothing to wait and see. There are not any "outcomes" from this.
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        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 11:34 am ET)
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          Is there a copy of the speech available? I must've missed it.
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          • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 11:40 am ET)
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            I don't know if there is one out there, but again, what is there to wait and see about? The POTUS, wants to tell kids to work hard, stay in school, and get educated.

            Really, how mundane and non-controversial a topic is this? Really non-controversial. But the screechers are trying to make it out to be something, that it is not. The dreaded, "indoctrination", whatever that means.
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            • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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              Look, I think the speech is going to be fine. But, we don't "know" what it will say, we're just taking Obama's word for it. Obama's word has been a little shaky so far...we don't have a healthcare bill to a vote by Aug 31, unemployment rose above the peak it was supposed to be stopped at by the stimulus, etc.

              If I wasn't clear, the talking heads are being super-shrill and really unnecessarily assuming here.
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (September 03, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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                I suggest checking out yesterday's Wall St. Journal. They grudgingly had to admit that the stimulus shows signs of working.

                Guess you missed that one.
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                • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 3:05 pm ET)
                     
                  LOL, I didn't miss it, I just don't think "showing signs of working" is the same thing as "met the goals Obama promised" in the real world.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (September 03, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
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                    Well, you know, not all presidential predictions come through.

                    You know, like we'll be greeted as liberators.

                    The economy is not something that can be predicted in absolutes. If that's the case, I'd be working on Wall Street.
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                  • Author by red dem (September 04, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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                    highest unemployment ever reported today, if that the stimulus working we are doomed
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              • Author by jediknight65 (September 03, 2009 11:54 am ET)
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                how in the world can you try and say this....
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              • Author by manofmystique (September 03, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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                Obama's words are fine, what is "shaky" and disturbing is the nonesense and hate spewing from the mouth of idiots, racists, Republicans, conservative, pundits, TV talk personalities and fools.
                ...and those who think Obama could undo and or correct something that took 8 years to develop. Stop listening to people who feed you lies and talking points and think for yourself.
                These people are trying to sabotage the presidency and deny the vast majority of people who voted for Obama what they elected him for.
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              • Author by achrispage6992 (September 03, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
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                The fact that you think there is a possibility that the President of the United States of America could possibly be akin to people like Hitler, Mussolini, and Kim Jong Il where he is going to speak to the nations children to not only glorify himself but indoctrinate them is beyond belief. These rating pigs on right wing radio and FOX are demeaning in every way to human decency and reasoning. They sit on their perch and throw out juicy innuendo and accusations with the underlying theme being that the President has these secret nefarious intentions and unfortunately people actually give credence to this vile crap.

                Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps these narcissistic pigs on the radio have realized how ridiculously shallow their audience is and as such know that they can lead them anywhere they like, tell them anything they like, and it will be accepted? So in the end, people have allowed themselves, as a grown adults, to be led to the belief that the President of the United States is secretly an evil person who wants to kill old people and indoctrinate children. Where is the line for what people will believe? How far are these pigs like Ingraham and Beck going to take this before their audience turns on them?
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              • Author by noknees (September 03, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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                I don't consider these things untruthes. Obama freely admits the economy was far worse than he thought and even then said it would take years to fix it. The health insurance bill has become THE political football, happened with Clinton and is worse now. The president can lead,but he is not a dictator, or God, merely oone branch of the government.
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              • Author by loonz (September 03, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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                If the government is creating "x" amount of jobs and the private sector kicks "2x" Americans out onto the street, the unemployment rate will go up.
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                • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
                     
                  I know that. Since the possibility of that was out there, maybe we shouldn't be promising things we don't have control over.
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                  • Author by my4cents (September 03, 2009 9:34 pm ET)
                       
                    Did you feel the same way when we were told we will be greeted as liberators in Iraq?
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      • Author by jediknight65 (September 03, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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        there is nothing to wait and see...except the exact words he will say. we know the topic and it is encouraging education.
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      • Author by shtguard (September 03, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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        AMEN to that! all of this hoopla (just like in the elections, just like before the Kennedy funeral speech) about what COULD be when nothing has happened.

        I dont see any of these people talking about how they were wrong he was going to use the Kennedy Speech to promote health care, NOT one beep from Obama about it and everyone forgets like they never talked about it.

        I am actually a point now where i am actually mortified of the insistence of these folk about just bashing anything he comes up with.

        I personally wish i had a kid who went to school and came back home and said he/she saw the president at school and wants to be the president one day.
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    • Author by manofmystique (September 03, 2009 10:40 am ET)
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      These hateful Republicans are out of their cotton-picking minds. What they are doing is inciting people or a person to act on their hate. It is clear they want someone, anyone to assassinate this president. This explains why they are not willing to wait for the next election. They want Obama out NOW. Have you ever heard of anyone treating a president as though he can't do anything right, even though he won the election by a wide margin? These Republicans talking heads are irresponsible and dangerous.
      God forbid, if something were to happen to Obama, all of these imbeciles will act like they don't know why anyone would want to hurt Obama.

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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 10:46 am ET)
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        I think we established that "cotton-picking" was a racist term when the primaries were happening.
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        • Author by manofmystique (September 03, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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          Don't be silly
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          • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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            It probably does have racist, or at the very least, class-ist origins. As in, "Get your cotton pickin' hands off of me." meaning, the folks who picked cotton (slaves, poor white sharecroppers, and later poor black people) relates back to how rough, calloused, cut, and dirty cotton pickers hands were.

            So it is probably both, but the racist / classist overtones have faded a lot over the years.
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            • Author by joebleaux (September 04, 2009 11:37 am ET)
                 
              Most famous usage: "Keep your cotton-pickin' hands offa my gin."-- Eli Whitney
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        • Author by my4cents (September 03, 2009 9:31 pm ET)
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          What is your statement on the gist of the article?
          You seem to be waiting for your chance to pounce on some posters' words, instead of speaking your mind. (Just like AA).
          right ON, Wesley, Oscar have original statements to make and they have my respect too.
          You, have none. I do not care if/that you do not care.
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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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        manofmystique wrote: "Have you ever heard of anyone treating a president as though he can't do anything right"

        Are you kidding?
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        • Author by Übermensch (September 03, 2009 11:03 am ET)
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          I am sure that manofmystique is not kidding.

          When was the last time a president 7 months in was accosted in the press this much?
          When was the last time a president 7 months in a political party opposed the president this much?
          When was the last time a president 7 months in was called:
          Marxist
          Hitler
          A Nazi
          Communist
          Socialist
          Racist
          etc.


          Are YOU kidding?

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          • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 11:10 am ET)
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            It happened to Bush II even before he took office, because he didn't really win in 2000, remember?

            btw, the original poster never put the qualifier (1st 7th months) in his claim.

            And I didn't write that to reference just Bush II...I'm pretty sure every president since Carter has had to deal with this stuff coming from the other side.
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (September 03, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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              It happened to Bush II even before he took office, because he didn't really win in 2000, remember?

              FALSE EQUIVALENCY ALERT!!!

              No sale.
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              • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 11:34 am ET)
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                Why is it a false equivalency?
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                • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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                  Because, what is happening to Obama did not happen to Bush, or any president before him.
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                  • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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                    What is that, exactly? You DON'T think that if searched this site, DKos, HuffPo, MSNBC, etc etc, we wouldn't find equivalent language about GOPers, including Bush II and Reagan?
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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (September 03, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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                      Here we go again. Let's go back to those bucolic days of 2001 when Bush was vacationin', bikin', and fishin'. People were rightfully upset that he was appointed as president, but no one was calling him a communist/marxist/fascist and no one was asking to see his long form birth certificate.

                      Then, after 9/11, Bush enjoyed immense popularity, at least for the next year and maybe longer.

                      Then people finally realized he was a warmongering idiot.

                      So, the false equivalency is that Bush never faced these attacks based on lies and fear.
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                    • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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                      No, you are NOT going to find that same language. Go back, and look. You won't find anyone in the media calling Bush a Nazi, a commie, a socialist, or any other derogatory names that have been tagged onto Obama. It did NOT happen.

                      I dare you to prove me wrong.

                      And remember, I said MEDIA, not anonymous posters on websites.
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            • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 11:37 am ET)
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              No, not every other president has had this much hate thrown against him in the first 7 months of his presidency. Not even close.

              Again, when did anyone in the media call Bush, Reagan, Clinton, Bush the following things (as Uber mentioned above):

              Commie
              Socialist
              Marxist
              Maoist
              Nazi
              Racist
              Fascist
              Reverse racist
              Stalinesque
              Hitler
              Etc. etc...

              We'll wait for your examples from the media of any President being so "reviled" and savaged in the media.

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              • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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                BTW, whether it's deserved or not, the tone would be less shrill if Obama wasn't trying to change the world in the 1st 7 months.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (September 03, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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                  How is Obama trying to change the world? I don't remember him preemptively attacking another country.

                  Oh, right - that would be Dubya.
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                  • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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                    I was going to ask the same question you did.

                    How is Obama trying to "change the world" instead of pursuing the agenda he was elected to pursue?

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                • Author by historygeek001 (September 03, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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                  You still haven't provided ANY examples of any POTUS being reviled the way Obama has been. That's because there aren't any. Just admit it.
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                • Author by jediknight65 (September 03, 2009 2:42 pm ET)
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                  oh yeah that old republican idea of going slow and taking your time......yeah that works real well
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              • Author by southerngal (September 03, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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                But most of these ridiculous names Obama has been called are coming from the same band of screechers, loud rightwing talk show hosts and some on Fox News. It is hardly pervasive throughout the entire media.

                And if you've forgotten the treatment Bush received, then you have a short memory. It happened, it is not a false equivalency at all. As to the degree, it depends on what media outlets you focus your attention.
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                • Author by achrispage6992 (September 03, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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                  Not true. It is people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly who contstantly brag about how many people they reach. You name me one liberal who had the reach of any of these people and used the same vile distortions and accusations. Name one.
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                  • Author by southerngal (September 03, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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                    I am not defending them, or saying it is negligible and they have no impact. They do. But I also maintain the more irrational and stupid their insults are against Obama, the more they marginalize themselves and look like fools. They have a platform in talk radio and with a Democrat in office they can T off everyday. We can argue the comparison all day long with previous presidents, but to what end? Decent people rise above it. Your point well taken.
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                    • Author by achrispage6992 (September 03, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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                      I understand (at least from your comments here) that you are not defending the conspiracy theories being thrown out by these people. I applaud and respect you for that.

                      You made the point that "it depends on what media outlets you focus your attention." regarding the degree of name calling. That point would be reasonable 5 years ago or even 8 months ago. The reality, as I see it, is that in the past 7 months I have seen the already untoward discourse in American politics deteriorate to a level never before seen. I have been a person who pays attention to politics for nearly 45 years now and I can tell you with all certainity that I have never seen ignorance take to the streets on cues from talking heads like I have seen in the past 3-4 months. Polling indicates that Americans who otherwise would not be coonsidered on the fringe are completely misinformed on this health care debate. That tells me that it isn't entirely FOX and right wing radio which has distorted this debate. Make no mistake, the vile and contemptable rhetoric orginates from basically two places, but the mainstream media has found it necessary to focus on their talking points, focus on these town hall protesters, which in turn gives the appearance that opposition to health care reform and Obama is becoming mainstream. The appearance is being given that there is legitimacy to the lie about death panels, indoctrination, etc., etc. The polling proves it. We know that right wing radio and Fox doesn't command an audience upwards of 49%of the population.

                      Let's be honest, have you ever in your lifetime seen people so misinformed where a reasonable debate cannot take place because they argue with talking points known to be outright lies based on fear? Look, Republicans didn't like JFK but I would submit that if he chose to address the nations school children in 1962, there would be nothing close to the vile innuendo which has been thrown at Obama. What these talk radio personalities and FOX News is doing is flat out wrong. They are lying to people,scaring them, and the mainstream media is idle in reporting their actions. Their actions are repugnant to every moral and ethical fiber in this nation. The fact that anyone (Democrat or Republican) has to resort to these kinds of tactics in order to oppose governmental policy proposals is a slap in the face to every American who gave their life for this great nation. They are taking a fundamental process of spirited debate based on Freedom of Speech and perverting it with accusations of evil, conspiracies, distortions, and vile comparisons of our President to men who have murdered millions. For what? More ratings? More name recognition? The most listened to radio show? The actions of these people and any who propogate their filth are sickening.
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                      • Author by southerngal (September 03, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
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                        I can't really disagree with much of what you are saying. The distortions and shameless lying some of these people do is stunning, it really is. Accuracy and facts are often trumped by sensationalism and hyperbole. I never, ever watch or listen to any of this. I stopped a couple years ago. It offers me nothing and it isn't even mindlessly entertaining. So from that standpoint I really can't speak to the volume of it, or the degree. I hear some soundbites repeated, the worst ones, and maybe that is not fair to judge it all on.

                        What I do know is these people are only in it for themselves. They see anti-Obama rhetoric sells right now. They see Fox's ratings and become hungry for a little slice of that pie themselves. That is what is fueling much of this, in my opinion. It isn't Obama's race, or even his policies that much. It's ratcheting up fear and anger to keep those listening scared and on edge. Which may keep them listening, and ratings, and money.

                        I agree, it's sickening. I don't partake in it, that is what I won't do.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 03, 2009 4:38 pm ET)
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                      "I am not defending them, or saying it is negligible and they have no impact. They do. But I also maintain the more irrational and stupid their insults are against Obama, the more they marginalize themselves and look like fools. They have a platform in talk radio and with a Democrat in office they can T off everyday. We can argue the comparison all day long with previous presidents, but to what end? Decent people rise above it. Your point well taken." - RightOn

                      I mostly agree with that, rightOn. However, I do not think that Fox News is marginalized within the Republican party. I think Fox News has become the Republican party. And, I guess, as a former Republican this is what angers and saddens me. I believe our entire national discourse has been affected by this nonsense. I think it continues to thwart any progess we may make as a country when one party refuses to behave as adults.
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                      • Author by southerngal (September 03, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
                           
                        I know very little about Fox News as I don't watch them. And I know less about the Republican party because I am not a member. So I can't take issue with what you said at all. My point was there was plenty of hatred at Bush when he was in power by those who weren't. Measuring degrees and the quantity of insults directed at one vs the other may be necessary for those who want to defend Bush or Obama, but that isn't me. I don't dwell in, nor do I count, hyperbole or inflammatory rhetoric in politics. That is nearly a full time job. But I do agree with you about it being a sad state of affairs for our country. Sadly, it happens. I try to stay out of it, for the most part. Unless I comment here, which I do. So I am not completely out of it, am I?
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                • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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                  I didn't forget the treatment Bush received, after 2006. In his first 7 months, was he savaged like Obama is being on a daily basis? No, the answer is definitely NO.

                  Yes, Obama has been called these ridiculous things, but they are coming from (as we keep being told by some on here) from the highest rated news channel on TV. And it is the media, FoxNews is Mainstream media. As are the other sources of this BS (talk radio). It is pervasive through the media.

                  I mean, when you've got US Sentators (Inhofe) telling his constituents that he hopes we make it through the next 16 months with a functioning country, because of what Obama the socialist is doing to destroy the very fabirc of our nation, that's pretty extreme.

                  You can't come up with equivalent hate and vile from the left during the first 7 months of Bush's presidency. You can't do it, because it didn't exist.
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                  • Author by southerngal (September 03, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
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                    I will grant your point about Inhofe, he is a sitting Senator and should know better. But I still maintain that is not pervasive throughout the media. Look at what is highlighted here everyday for this over the top namecalling - primarily commentators on Fox and rightwing talk show hosts. I will also give you Fox's popularity, but talk show hosts are not maintream media. How many other mainstream media outlets traffic in this kind of crap against Obama?
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                    • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
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                      I disagree about talk radio. Folks like Beck, Savage, Limbaugh, and others draw in millions of listeners per week, and conservative talk radio is pervasive in almost every town, city, and village in America. You can get it almost everywhere that you go very easily.

                      Sure, Fox is leading the way, but we've also seen other media outlets (based on examples seen here) do similar things. I'm not going to disagree that Fox is leading the "charge" so to speak, because indeed, they are, but again, as you mentioned, and I mentioned, they are popular, and lots of people watch their news, and only will get their news from Fox, and from talk radio.

                      And I know you think that this fake outrage is just that, fake outrage, I think you've written that before. It's just seems pretty darn unprecedented the attacks Obama has come under since even before he took office from this cadre of clowns.

                      I did use Inhofe as an example, but we could easily lump in Bachman, and others who are elected officials who use the same hate filled and crazed rhetoric about the president.

                      I also don't remember Democratic Senators and Congressmen and Congresswomen talking about Bush like this.
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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (September 03, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
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                      Check out the sunday gab-fests. You know, the ones on NBC, CBS, and ABC.
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                • Author by historygeek001 (September 03, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
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                  It absolutely IS a false equivalency, and you know it. Bush was never reviled the way Obama has been. You keep saying that he was and you keep NOT providing any proof. That's because it didn't happen.
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 03, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
                     
                  I agree with that RightOn. But, you have to admit that this is the problem. The Republican party has become the party of the extremist screechers. There is no equivalent on the left. Olbermann and Maddow and whoever else is not the same as Beck and Limbaugh. They are just not, and any unbiased look at them will verify this.

                  What was the reaction of the "left-wing" media after 9/11? I think everyone would have to admit that it was very supportive of our president. What do you think the "right-wing" media's reaction would be if there were any kind of an attack on American soil eight months into Obama's presidency.

                  I'm sorry, but there is no Glenn Beck or Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh on the left. When G-Dub was passing legislation that was "changing America" and there were objections to it, no one in the media was claiming that Bush was a Nazi, Socialist, Marxist, who should carry our machine guns around to water the tree of liberty. And for each of these terms, there was certainly just as many reasons to attach them to Bush as there have been to attach them to Obama.
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            • Author by Übermensch (September 03, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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              And manofmystique was referencing President Obama and the flack he is getting. Interesting side note, Obama IS 7 months in to his presidency.

              Are you saying that Bush 43, Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan and Carter were all, 7 months into their presidency, called:
              Marxist
              Hitler
              A Nazi
              Communist
              Socialist
              Racist


              ?

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              • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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                Probably not Communist and Socialist (maybe Carter).
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                • Author by Übermensch (September 03, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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                  7 months in to a presidency?

                  You can't answer that because it has never happened.
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                • Author by jediknight65 (September 03, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
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                  a man trying to wake the country up about environmentalism is communist or socialist......oh wait thats right they have to be because otherwise the free market enterprises (logging companies, big oil, mining interests) wouldn't be able to exploit resources and rape us all to feed their greed.

                  and a man dedicated to peace and won the nobel peace prize (i know you don't believe it should count since he is a liberal after all) is a communist? ok.....
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            • Author by manofmystique (September 03, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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              to poindexter;

              Bush was never treated like he couldn't do anything right (although he should have), but he was allowed to do many wrong things.
              "on what planet do you spend most of your time?
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            • Author by jediknight65 (September 03, 2009 11:55 am ET)
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              never to this degree and you damn well know it
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            • Author by my4cents (September 03, 2009 9:39 pm ET)
                 
              Do you agree he may not have not win in 2000? Supreme Court getting involved and all that stuff?
              For someone who rationalizes people that say Obama is Hitler trying to indoctrinate our kids, by saying we do not know what he is going to say, it should be easy.
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          • Author by manofmystique (September 03, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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            These idiots will defend evil and wrong doing as something noble.
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    • Author by manofmystique (September 03, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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      Only an idiot or racist (or both) would think a sitting president of the United States would try to indocutrinate school children on a national platform.
      Hate is whats driving these devils.
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      • Author by obamaisasocialist (September 03, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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        You are absolutely correct you must be a racist (non sequitur). Of course he needs to tell elementary kids to stay in school, otherwise that rate of third grade dropouts is just going to climb.

        Bear in mind the fear of indoctrination stems from the all too real indoctrination kids was forced to suffer through when Al Gore's unsubstantiated truths came out. Al Gore's motives were purely political and unfortunately it is now Obama who is paying the price.
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        • Author by Missouri Democrat (September 04, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
             
          You really are an idiot. To my understanding the speech will be shown to middle and high schoolers as they have the ability to use critical thinking skills unlike grade schoolers who do not have that ability.
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    • Author by Lizinbklyn (September 03, 2009 10:58 am ET)
         
      "This isn't a policy speech. This is a speech designed to encourage kids to stay in school."
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      What a dirty BASTARD . .

      Imagine a POTUS asking children to work hard in school, what's next, telling childred to READ??

      Whadda we missing here guys . .
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    • Author by roninkannushi1711 (September 03, 2009 11:05 am ET)
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      Fellow Matterers,

      I am horrified. To think that our country would dare to be educated. President Obama wants to, "indoctrinate," our youth to study and achieve. The agony. Is this for real?

      I imagine the same reaction will surface if Pres. Obama supports respiration. Inhale, exhale, is a major cause of living, the wrong-talkers will chime. The president is leading you into the future, and we do not need progress, the sky-fall wolf-cry puppets will assert. Don't let this happen, hold your breath, America must prevail!

      Absurd. To see a reasonable idea, education, be denounced for political favoritism. Health care and education are two (2) separate issues. Why would conservative media want to mix the two? Partisanship, money, power, racism, and mostly fear drive hyperbole.

      The wisdom of any society results in chaos, when acted upon by fools.

      It be it,
      Ronin Kannushi.
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    • Author by Liberal Leader (September 03, 2009 11:22 am ET)
         
      Why does the White House and the media act like this is being "misinterpreted"? Conservaitves are absolute loons when any Democrat is in the White House. ABC and Tapper ought to write a story about that. The media says, "Obama's speech is controversial because conservatives are railing against it but the White House is saying that they aren't trying to indoctrinate children." If every single thing Obama did was presented through the lens of what the right thinks than we should all be in concentration camps and own no property by now. This is all about conservatives and Republicans being unable to respect the will of the voters of America. Obama is my president, your president and your kids' president. GET USED TO IT!! And he didn't have to have his brother certify the results before all the ballotts were counted. It is time the left call these people out for their paranoia rather than dismiss it.
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    • Author by John Paradox (September 03, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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      How dare The President 'indoctrinate' our children to stay in school, get a good education and possibly be able to get good jobs!

      Indoctrination is OUR job!

      -Neocons
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    • Author by southerngal (September 03, 2009 11:29 am ET)
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      I cannot imagine any parent keeping their kid out of school as some protest of this speech. That is flat out lunacy. I imagine these screeching cons would love that, some sort of victory against Obama or something, ridiculous.

      But beyond them or their irrelevant egos, what kind of message are these parents sending to their kids? That it's ok to be a partisan hack and just not show up, to skip school because their parents don't like the president. Kids shouldn't be put in the middle of their parent's paranoia, or their political nonsense. They are in school to learn, to grow up to be respectful responsible adults - not petty children with political axes to grind. Amazing.
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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        And, really, the chances of many kids actually paying attention to a speech is nil. I mean, when I was in school, I'd glaze over with something like this, and consider time away from doing schoolwork. Sure, I'm willing to bet some will watch it, and listen, but for the most part, they'll just be happy to not be in class.

        The amazing fake outrage over Obama giving a speech to kids in school to stay in school is amazing really.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (September 03, 2009 11:55 am ET)
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          Mags - I truly believe this is veiled racism. What else can it be? People just don't want the black man talking to their children.
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          • Author by southerngal (September 03, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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            Yeah, and I am sure these same people would wholeheartedly embrace Hillary Clinton talking to their children too.
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            • Author by eweston8542983 (September 03, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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              Maybe D. Chenney (president without portfolio) could come and talk to them about essential interrogation techniques?
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            • Author by achrispage6992 (September 03, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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              I can tell you what I believe. I would bet they would have no problem with having Glenn Beck spread his conspiracy theories to school children. Would that be indocrination? Or is it only Indoctrination when a Democrat does it?
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          • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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            I don't know, you may be right about that, but I just don't know if I see that in this, as opposed to just being downright crazy about anything Obama does.

            Go back, look at what happened when Obama OK'd the SEAL snipers to take out the terrorists and get that tanker captain back. They were against that as well, and blamed Obama for the tanker getting taken in the first place.

            I mean, really, in their eyes, no matter what he does, it's never good enough, or they could never say, he did something right.

            Heck, as much as I disliked the Bush presidency, there were some things he did that I agreed with and said so. There weren't too many items, but there were some.
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          • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 03, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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            Fog, I know you're being sarcastic.
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      • Author by timcooper62 (September 03, 2009 11:17 pm ET)
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        It is not the fact that Obama is talking to school children. I hope he would give a message of personal responsibility, working hard, staying in school, making good grades and so on. The problem is with the study aids provided by the Department of Education asking the kids to write a letter about how they can help the president or how they can serve the president. We don't serve the president, he is supposed to serve us. He should not be trying to indoctrinate children with his political viewpoints.

        To be frank, I don't trust Obama. I know, the first thing you will say is RACIST. Obama ran for office as a centrist. He promised to run the most transparent government in history. He promised that the bills would be posted on the internet and read before they were voted on. He promised that the negotiations would even be publicized on CSPAN.

        What has Obama done since he was elected? He has moved far left. He has surrounded himself with CZARS that hold far from mainstream ideals. People like Josh Holdren that advocate putting sterulents in drinking water, or that forced abortions could be constituional. Or Zeke Emmanuel with his valued lives ideals. Can't you see why the "astroturf mobsters" mistrust the president?
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        • Author by SMTDL (September 04, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
             
          I bet U did not vote for Obama and never would no matter what his policies.Do you need alist of corrupt right wing radical neocons from the Bush Administration???have you ever been concerned about Dick Cneney's secret meetings!The executive power grab byBush &Co.,total politicalization of the Justice department... Now that was radical..ask the historical experts!!
          Obama has done nothing Radical..he is rather a centrist pragmatist!!!He does feel deeply that the government should help citizens in need!!Is that radical??? Trying to keep banks a float, stimulate the Economy,healthcare,,trying to save auto industry jobs!!How is any of that so Radical to get called a socialist, nazi,facist,communist,Banana Republic leader,tyrant,evil,etc,,, Get a grip!!!!This man could cure cancer and would be criticized by the narrow minded people making these type charges.
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        • Author by jeffro (September 05, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
             
          The health bill IS posted on the internet. They ARE being read BEFORE being voted on. I listen to the negotiations on CSPAN on XM in my truck.The bills proposals ARE being debated in the house and senate. I have to say YOU have NO credibility. I mistrust YOU!
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    • Author by DrGianrico (September 03, 2009 11:38 am ET)
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      When I first became a citizen, I thought the lure, uniqueness and beauty of America was grounded in freedom of speech. Inherent in that freedom was the exchange of diverse ideas through the free flow of civil discourse. Where everyone would passionately reason they're arguments with convictions, but respect other's opinions. By convention and constitutional dictates, accepting the result of our representative democracy of majority rule. We could agree to disagree until the next election. While vehemently vocalizing our opposition to keep the majority honest. The surprise to me now is the disintegration of complete civility in the political arena. Misinformations, distortions, half-truths & lies dominate. Throw in invectives, ad hominen attacks and vile threats of violence and the milieu is not conducive to compromise for societal growth or benefit. If you call yourself a journalist, your professional ethics should dictate that you report and inform first, opine second. If the shrillness of your opinions mask all, what can I learn and why should I take you seriously?
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    • Author by T.J.Fod (September 03, 2009 11:47 am ET)
         
      The Ivy-elites make snarky remarks about middle-America being wary of a president elected with 53-47 percent majority speaking directly to our children while in school?

      Let's see , would the Ivy-elitists embrace Bush, Reagan, Ford, to do the same?

      If he wants his kid left out of politics, dso do we. POTUS just do your job and stop preening for every camera like an ego maniac.

      T.J. Fod
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    • Author by antihannity2009 (September 03, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
         
      I'm so sick and tired of this crap. The next Republican president who wants to talk to kids in school we need to do this exact same stuff to them.

      The right has been reduced to peddling fear and hate because they have nothing left. As I've said before that they won't be happy until someone kills the President.
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    • Author by beboo (September 03, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
         
      The real story is there is a grassroots protest, not a media one, because real people have read the paperwork to be filled out, and know some of the speech. They are asked several times how they can serve the president, and later must account for their "goals".
      People, we don't serve a man, we serve the constitution. That's what should be taught. Obama aspires to be a cult figure, and that's dangerous.
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    • Author by truthseeker77 (September 03, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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      The right-wing co-founder of the conservative North Star Writers Group tells right-wingers to "get a grip" on Obama's planned speech:

      http://www.northstarwriters.com/dc313.htm
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 03, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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        See, at least there are some thinking people out there. Unfortunately, the loudest ones are the ones that get heard a lot of the time.
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    • Author by manofmystique (September 03, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
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      I thought "smart" people are suppose to have some level of integrity or at least common sense. These people don't or care how stupid they look or sound. I believe Seam [Kl]annity and Glen Beck are the sickest people on TV. Their hatred obsession over Obama has cause them to lose touch with reality.
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    • Author by noknees (September 03, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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      Does any one remember hitler's Big lie? He shut down education, burned books, indoctrinated. And there are now those among us who want to limit education to their few "news" outlets with highly questionable honesty, not allow certain books to be read, freedom of speech for conservatives, not liberals, they are shouted down. The constitution does use the word God, but also refers to freedom of religion and that no one shall be treated differently becouse of race, creed or national origin. And for those who think that the constitution does not protect happiness, liberty , etc. Read the Preamble where it says and I quote to protect "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". I am so angered by those who feel if we differ in belief, we are stupid and "sheeple", that I can't even discuss it. Patrick Kennedy said at his father's funeral, MY father taught me many things..... one was how to like Republicans" Shohuldn't we respect all points of view, and compomise? There are middle grounds. Extremism solves nothing
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      • Author by Mr. Buzztime (September 03, 2009 7:01 pm ET)
           
        An excellent post, noknees. BOTH sides have extremists who think the other side is crazy. We have to realize that there are people in this world who do not think like we do. We need to accept this and be tolerant of those on the opposing side. Name calling and personal insults only make matters worse. People on this site are always complaining about the right's hate, anger and insults. Sorry to bring this up, but there's a lot of hate, anger and insults in your own posts.

        To repeat, BOTH SIDES behave like this. It would be nice if some of them could tone down the rhetoric a bit and actually discuss the issues.
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    • Author by toombsie (September 03, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
         
      Conservatives are getting crazier everyday. In 3 years I wonder how absolutely out of their minds they all will be. I feel sorry for any child that has parents that are worried about sending him to school because he or she will hear Obama speak on TV. It isn't Obama that is doing the indoctrinating, it's those parents teaching their kids to fear diversity, to view altruism as evil, to love war and Republican ideals and reject choice.

      I was brought up by such parents, but I eventually learned to think for myself. There is hope for these kids as well, though I know my parents wouldn't think about keeping me from school just cause someone like Obama was going to give a speech to the school children. My parents are Republicans, but they aren't THAT crazy.
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    • Author by Hula (September 03, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
         
      Apparently, some kids are already indoctrinated, against the President and for Fox News.
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    • Author by HELD (September 03, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
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      Of course Conservatives don't want kids in school. That's how they get more Conservatives.
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    • Author by loonz (September 03, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
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      I'm beginning to think everyone on the right is certifiable.This is getting ridiculous now.
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    • Author by OOzinEvil (September 03, 2009 9:17 pm ET)
         
      I agree with most here that President Obamas address to School age children is a good idea, but why do it during classroom hours? He could do it after school and allow the parents to decide, after they view it, whether they want their children to watch.
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    • Author by calijohn (September 04, 2009 12:54 am ET)
         
      Each May, the right wingers get all upset when Mexican/Americans take the day off and/or out of school for a Mexican holiday.
      Where is the outrage now Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly, et al.
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    • Author by manofmystique (September 04, 2009 10:04 am ET)
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      They will entertain anything these obviously jealous, envious, lying people say- and never really hold them accountable for the stupid they spew.
      If they did, not only would the "birthers" "deathers" and "tea baggers" look so stupid the first time around, but they would not give a platform to them again, and perhaps they would go away. Thanks to the media coverage we can expect these idiots back again.
      Exposing them as crackpots, racists and dangerous would have been the honorable thing to do, but this media will give a microphone to any white person, no matter how ridiculous he is and treat it like News. Look at the people who brought guns to the President town hall meetings. The media gave THEM air-time and told US about their right to carry a gun.
      Because of the stupid media keep putting these fools on the air and letting them off the hook more and more ridiculous people are coming out the wood-works. Like the nincompoops who claim Obama wants to indoctrinate school children.
      The media is also the reason Obama poll numbers are down. The media is driven by conservatives and Republicans likes Carl Roves, Dick Cheney, Sean [Kl]annity and people who has a vested interest in Obama's failure.
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      • Author by manofmystique (September 04, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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        They will entertain anything these obviously jealous, envious, lying people say- and never really hold them accountable for the stupidity they spew.
        If they did, not only would the "birthers" "deathers" and "tea baggers" look so stupid the first time around, but they would not give a platform to them again, and perhaps they would go away. Thanks to the media coverage we can expect these idiots back again.
        Exposing them as crackpots, racists and dangerous would have been the honorable thing to do, but this media will give a microphone to any white person, no matter how ridiculous he is and treat it like News. Look at the people who brought guns to the President town hall meetings. The media gave THEM air-time and told US about their right to carry a gun.
        Because of the stupid media keep putting these fools on the air and letting them off the hook more and more ridiculous people are coming out the wood-works. Like the nincompoops who claim Obama wants to indoctrinate school children.
        The media is also the reason Obama poll numbers are down. The media is driven by conservatives and Republicans likes Carl Roves, Dick Cheney, Sean [Kl]annity and people who has a vested interest in Obama's failure.
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        • Author by moderatejoe (September 04, 2009 10:33 am ET)
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          You are an idiot if you don't think that the mainstream media has been doing everything it can to support Obama. Your idiocy is further recognized through your veiled racist "name calling." You must spend so much time watching Fox News, searching for something else stupid to say, that you think they are mainstream media now. I guess that's a win for them...
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        • Author by Heritage1 (September 04, 2009 10:09 pm ET)
             
          Did you read your post before sending it? Other than Fox News who can argue that the media is driven by conservatives and Republicans? "The media will give a microphone to any white person..." This is your statement not mine. Hmmm ...do you fall into the category of racist along with those you are accusing of being?

          I suppose you never saw Contessa Brewer comment on how a "white man" brought a gun to a town hall meeting. Oops ...maybe the color matching was off on her monitor as it was actually an African American man. But I suppose somehow in your twisted world view you consider Contessa a bastion of conservative thought diabolically attempting to bring down President Obama's polling numbers.
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    • Author by aurelas (September 04, 2009 4:18 pm ET)
         
      I think this is incredibly sad and funny at the same time. What is going to come under fire next--the pardoning of the turkey at Thanksgiving or the Easter Egg roll and hunt on the White House lawn? You've just got to watch out for these sneeky politicians and the ways they reach children!

      PS. I live in an area where this kind of stuff is believed, where everyone is terrified of a death panel killing their relatives or FEMA putting them into concentration camps. That's what keeps me from laughing hysterically--the knowledge that this kind of "journalism" is making people hysterical.
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    • Author by night-n-day (September 04, 2009 6:01 pm ET)
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      It's amazing how the last 8 years never happened and the overt propaganda fed to schools by the militant rightwing never happened. Apparently, the grotesque RNC propaganda piece broadcast on ABC in 2006, "Path to 9.11", which was susbsequently sent to public schools under the guise of "history" was just fine with rightwing and not in any way teaching children overt lies & propaganda.

      Until President Obama starts sending the kind of indocrination propaganda the rightwing imposed on public schools in 2006, he will never come close to the vile, anti-American brainwashing of students the rightwing endorsed under the Cheney/Dumbya regime.
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      • Author by jeffro (September 05, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
           
        Great point! I had forgotten about how blatant that was. And put right in the classrooms. No opt out even offered.
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        • Author by jeffro (September 05, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
             
          Moderate Joe, show me some examples of the media doing "everything it can to support Obama" I won't hold my breath.
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    • Author by msensiper (September 04, 2009 10:31 pm ET)
         
      Is there any truth to the rumor that the Republicans
      will offer a rebuttal to the President's speech in which they urge
      America's youth to quit school, discuss the dangers of persisting
      at most anything and the advantages of failing in school. They will
      then go on to talk about the unimportance of education.

      How else can we raise another generation of Republicans?
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    • Author by jcalton (September 05, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
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      They actually called the Obama administration Orwellian?
      That's a fairly specific term ("socialist" less so these days). If you were ever going to use it, it would have been during the Bush administration.

      Any of these people worried about indoctrination, I assume, have already been protesting and demanding that the Pledge of Allegiance and American Flags be removed from their schools.
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