Will Fox & Friends set story straight on NH town hall?
On August 31 and September 1, the hosts of Fox & Friends repeatedly claimed that at an August 29 town meeting, Rep. Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH) had Carl Tomanelli, an attendee who opposes health care reform, "ejected" on the grounds that "he did not have the correct ticket to speak." But the New Hampshire Union Leader reported that the man was ejected because he repeatedly interrupted the congresswoman and other attendees during the meeting, a statement now supported by a New Hampshire police lieutenant who acted as security for the event and who also said that "[a]t no time did Representative Shea-Porter advise an officer" to remove Tomanelli.
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Over two days, Fox & Friends hosts claim man ejected "at the direction" of Shea-Porter because "he did not have the correct ticket to speak"
From the August 31 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
STEVE DOOCY (co-host): All right. Let's talk about another member of Congress. Representative Carol Shea-Porter, she represents a district up in New Hampshire. She had a town hall in Portsmouth on Saturday. A hundred and fifty people were there. And it's interesting -- we're going to play a little bit of the video -- and there she is right there. She had a guy ejected -- that man right there, ejected. Apparently, he did not have the correct ticket to speak. Extraordinarily, this man is a retired police officer. And he brought this up after he pointed out that the guy who was just standing up in the purple shirt, a member of the SEIU union -- questioned whether or not that guy should even be there, whether he was a resident of the district or of the state. Michelle?
MICHELLE MALKIN (Fox News contributor and conservative columnist and blogger): Yeah. And I think that what this shows is how incapable so many of these town hall conveners have been in taking the heat. They can't take the heat, which is why they take refuge in union offices, which is why they have the purple shirts there protecting them from the rough-and-tumble world of answering to their own constituents. And, you know, look: You go back to your home town, it's not going to be like debating on the House floor, where there are Robert's Rules of Order. But there she is with her SEIU enforcers, ejecting people who are simply challenging her.
GRETCHEN CARLSON (co-host): I think interesting to me was that apparently she was an anti-war activist who may have been at a few protests herself. So, to me, that's even more startling. I mean, if you've done this in your life in another capacity, then why would you hold others who are doing it now responsible? I mean, it's just freedom of speech, right?
MALKIN: That's -- well, for imperial members of Congress, it is. It's rowdiness for me, but not for thee.
DOOCY: But just to eject a guy, a former police officer, simply -- who spoke because he didn't have a ticket? That's crazy.
MALKIN: And because he was calling out one of her union thugs. That's the bottom line.
From the September 1 edition of Fox & Friends:
ALISYN CAMEROTA (guest co-host): The man in that clip is a retired police officer and a 27-year veteran of the armed forces. He was removed from the room at the direction of the congresswoman, but why?
Carl Tomanelli joins us live from Boston, Massachusetts. Carl, thanks so much for being here. That was a raucous meeting that you were involved in. And what we could hear you saying was, these people are organized, but on the other side. They were organized, you think, by the congresswoman. Tell us more about this.
[...]
TOMANELLI: And in any event, when I asked my question -- and I guess it was just the wrong question. If you look at the tapes, you will see that in an atmosphere such as this, where emotions are high -- I mean, this is a very, very serious topic -- everybody was talking out. The way it was conducted was like on a kindergarten-type environment.
KILMEADE: Right.
TOMANELLI: You were not assured that you were going to ask a question.
KILMEADE: Gotcha.
TOMANELLI: People had --
KILMEADE: Karl, we're gonna --
TOMANELLI: -- a lot of --
KILMEADE: Right. Have a lot of anger and a lot to say, and there were -- and by the union guys who were called on, and they were filibustering, not letting you guys talk. We're going to try to get that clip and put it on FoxAndFriends.com so everybody will have a chance to review it and perhaps come to the conclusion that you did, and that is that you were blocked. Congressman Shea-Porter -- she's going to be up for election. Keep that in mind.
[...]
DOOCY: Jon, before you go. I know there were two different --
JON DICKINSON (town hall attendee): Sure.
DOOCY: -- town halls: the one you were at, and then the one that -- we had a retired New York City police officer on the show about an hour and a half ago who said that he --
DICKINSON: Right. I met him. He's a character.
DOOCY: He is a character. He simply asked her a question and because he did not have a ticket, he wound up being escorted out of the room.
NH media report: Man was ejected after repeatedly disturbing meeting
New Hampshire Union Leader: Tomanelli "[r]emoved ... because he continually interrupted Shea-Porter and others." The day before Doocy claimed Shea-Porter "had a guy ejected" because "he did not have the correct ticket to speak," the New Hampshire Union Leader reported:
Removed from the forum because he continually interrupted Shea-Porter and others in Manchester was Carl Tomanelli of Londonderry, who objected when her staff passed out health care stickers before the event began.
He claimed the stickers would be used to alert Shea-Porter to supporters. Later he told the New Hampshire Sunday News: "I'm not in favor of any health care reform Carol Shea-Porter is not a part of. If they want me to support it, I have to have the same health care as (U.S. Sen.) Orrin Hatch, or Ted Kennedy or (Christopher) Dodd."
He also objected that people outside Shea-Porter's Congressional district were in the room, including a young man who could not vote. He noted there were out-of-state license plates around the building. "It's a joke," Tomanelli said.
Police lieutenant said Shea-Porter did not tell police to eject Tomanelli
Lt. Barry: Tomanelli was "very disruptive" during meeting, "continuously interrupted people." In a statement, Lt. William Barry of the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office, who had attended the town meeting "in the capacity of helping out with security for the Federal Protection Service," said: "Towards the end of the meeting, Mr. Carl Tomanelli was escorted out of the meeting. Mr. Tomanelli was very disruptive throughout the meeting and was told repeatedly to quiet down. He continuously interrupted people who were asking questions or making statements that he didn't agree with." [Blog of Andrew Cline, editorial page editor of the New Hampshire Union Leader, 9/3/09]
Lt. Barry: Shea-Porter did not ask Tomanelli to be removed. Barry further stated: "At no time did Representative Shea-Porter advise an officer to escort Mr. Tomanelli from the building."
Transcript
From the September 1 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
CAMEROTA: The man in that clip is a retired police officer and a 27-year veteran of the armed forces. He was removed from the room at the direction of the congresswoman, but why?
Carl Tomanelli joins us live from Boston, Massachusetts. Carl, thanks so much for being here. That was a raucous meeting that you were involved in. And what we could hear you saying was, these people are organized, but on the other side. They were organized, you think, by the congresswoman. Tell us more about this.
TOMANELLI: Well, when we arrived, my wife and our friends, there was a large line already gathering, and the people on line had, if you will, marshals, you know, positioning them in line. They had professional signs. And --
CAMEROTA: And they were signs supporting health care. These were people who were in favor of it?
TOMANELLI: Oh, yes. Absolutely. And, you know, I would -- what bothered me was that, you know, as this email indicates from Congressman -- Congresswoman Sue Kelly's off-- Congresswoman Shea-Porter's --
CAMEROTA: Shea-Porter?
TOMANELLI: -- office -- yeah -- that, you know, this was a meeting that was supposed to be held --
KILMEADE: Right.
TOMANELLI: -- on the manner of health care reform for people of the 1st District. Now, when you approached these people and asked if they were from District 1, they wouldn't respond. They wouldn't talk to you. They wouldn't say anything. There were people on that line that physically looked only as young as high school age but certainly not voters.
KILMEADE: Right. So you --
TOMANELLI: And really didn't have any business there.
KILMEADE: Carl, so you never --
TOMANELLI: And --
KILMEADE: You never got your answer, correct? You never got the answer --
TOMANELLI: Oh, absol--
KILMEADE: -- whether these people were from the area or not.
TOMANELLI: Absolutely not. There was -- and I wish to say this -- and by the way, I am a retired police officer, and I'm from the greatest police department in the world, New York City.
KILMEADE: No argument.
TOMANELLI: Thank you. And in any event, when I asked my question -- and I guess it was just the wrong question. If you look at the tapes, you will see that in an atmosphere such as this, where emotions are high -- I mean, this is a very, very serious topic -- everybody was talking out. The way it was conducted was like on a kindergarten-type environment.
KILMEADE: Right.
TOMANELLI: You were not assured that you were going to ask a question.
KILMEADE: Gotcha.
TOMANELLI: People had --
KILMEADE: Karl, we're gonna --
TOMANELLI: -- a lot of --
KILMEADE: Right. Have a lot of anger and a lot to say, and there were -- and by the union guys who were called on, and they were filibustering, not letting you guys talk. We're going to try to get that clip and put it on FoxAndFriends.com so everybody will have a chance to review it and perhaps come to the conclusion that you did, and that is that you were blocked. Congressman Shea-Porter -- she's going to be up for election. Keep that in mind.
[...]
DOOCY: Jon, before you go. I know there were two different --
JON DICKINSON (town hall attendee): Sure.
DOOCY: -- town halls: the one you were at, and then the one that -- we had a retired New York City police officer on the show about an hour and a half ago who said that he --
DICKINSON: Right. I met him. He's a character.
DOOCY: He is a character. He simply asked her a question and because he did not have a ticket, he wound up being escorted out of the room.

















Bad enough for you?
How did he know the guy with the SEIU shirt was not from NH; how exactly did the representative motion?
Tell me NH, did this guy think it was HIS meeting and he could trample on the rights of other attendees? I will await your answer. I am here.
How do they come to conclusions like this? There's zero evidence that would lead one to come to that conclusion, and all kinds of evidence that he was rude and a 'doesn't play well with others' kinda guy.
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Here's the question: Why at all does someone from one state need to show up to a town hall in another state? I'm in Illinois, I have no reason in the world to go to a town hall in Iowa. What would be the point, other than to (potentially) disrupt (since I would not be effected daily by anything that happens in Iowa)
Having mandatory ID'ing at the door does one thing and one thing only... it guarantees that the rude, obnoxious riff-raff that shows up are at the very least... local boneheads, instead of out of state or bused in ones!
Good idea...and while we're at it...lets make them show the same ID when they show up to vote.
You're on to something with this ID thing, capn.
Are you poor or a minority person?
But unfortunately there are many liberals...arguing for IDs to participate in public debate but arguing against IDs for voting...that won't ever get it.
You stand in line, show your card, and get whatever you are eligible (decided by the Dictator) for?
What happened to freedom and liberty?
Love the idea. But the loony left would never suggest an ID for something as important as voting. They love the idea at a town hall meeting, but not to prevent voter fraud or anything really important like that.
In truth, our voter registration system and voting day procedures are far more complicated than they need to be. Why should anyone have to register at all? Proof of citizenship and proof of your home address should suffice. Then the voter dips his/her index finger into a pot of indelible ink that is only visible under ultra-violet lamps - voila! No fuss/no muss - and no multiple voting.
The system is set up to discourage people from voting - a strong democracy would encourage ALL voters.
The career politician is mostly responsible for the lack of honest dialog with their constituents. The only thing that motivates the career politician is re-election...not serving the public good.
Kudos on your call for common decency...but I think that it should start with our elected officials. John Q. Public has more common decency in his little finger than any politician.
From what I have seen on the tube, they could not even talk, leave alone double talk.
"The career politician is mostly responsible for the lack of honest dialog with their constituents. The only thing that motivates the career politician is re-election...not serving the public good."
Agree 100%.
Come on, now. That's bumper sticker rhetoric as an excuse to act ridiculous in public. Have you seen some of these townhall performances by the public. They want their country back? Screaming at a woman in a wheelchair while she is trying to explain how her lack of coverage affects her multiple diseases? Hasn't everyone seen the one with Sebelius and Specter attempting over and over again to get any kind of an explanation out while some in the crowd refuse to even let them finish a sentence? And, this is justified by making an assumption that all politicians are bad and all people in the public are good?
We have to stop excusing bad behavior as a society. What we end up with is these John McCain faux townhalls where they screen everyone in attendance and only allow in those that agree with them. Debate is important in any representative democratic republic. We must be able to disagree with each other and disagree with our representatives on policy without becoming unruly everytime. It is our duty to be able to disagree with the policies of those who were elected against our personal vote without becoming insane. You may not agree with healthcare reform, you may not agree with the answers a representative gives you, but you do owe them the opportunity to give the answer. It's all a part of becoming an adult.
Of course not...and I agree with you that we should not promote or excuse bad behavior. There are plenty of examples of bad behavior by both politicians and citizens.
You advocate giving them "the opportunity to give the answer". That sounds civil and reasonable. Yet, we've been giving politicians that opportunity for a long time and mostly we get double talk at best and outright falsehoods at worst.
Recently I looked at the latest 60 statements on healthcare that were evaluated by PolitiFact. They were only able to judge just 6 of them as true. That's what happens when politicians and advocates are allowed to "give the answer" without the challenge of answering those questions face to face...and giving a straight answer.
Certainly I agree that a civil discourse between opposing sides is the best option...but unfortunately it sometimes takes a figurative dope slap to make a politician give a real answer.
This has been going on since the founding of our country. The debates on the Declaration of Independence and the establishment of our Constitution were rife with rude and raucus debates between opponents.
Here's a great example of what can happen when you attempt to have a civil discussion with a career politician...and it's not about the issue they are discussing...it's about the behavior of the politician when he is not allowed to double-speak and reframe the question to avoid a straight answer.
I'm not making "an assumption that all politicians are bad and all people in the public are good"...but when I weigh the respective behaviors I come down squarely on the side of John Q. Public's right to demand straight answers...rough and tumble as that might be.
I agree with your statement, but that isn't what is happening with the town hall shouters. They have nothing but uninformed screeching. This does nothing to further democracy.
Now she is getting a taste of her own medicine, lawls. She has become what she use to protest.
Hows the view Congresswoman?
And that is aside from the fact that she clearly did nothing to facilitate the ejection of the disruptive man at the townhall under discussion.
Really, you've contributed nothing to the discussion.
NashuaTelegraph:
"...The irony is, of course, that Shea-Porter used to be a "tea-bagger'' on the left. She stalked then-congressman Jeb Bradley at town hall-style meetings the 1st District Republican incumbent held throughout his district...."
Neither of your links support what you said about her. So she attended some townhall meetings of her predecessor? So what? It's not as though she shouted anyone down, preventing others from presenting their opinions. At least, not so that anyone's shown that to be true.
Lastly, that column in your Nashua Telegraph link has to be one of the most poorly written essays I've ever read. It's incredible that someone who writes like that was given a column.
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"The conclusion has to be that she doesn't want to face questions from people who disagree with her positions, particularly on health care. We find this curious and regrettable, especially given her history of challenging her predecessor, Jeb Bradley, for nearly two years during his town hall meetings. Some might say she hounded him."
good day
You've provided three links. None of them said anything about her being disruptive at past events. You haven't provided any hint of evidence that she played any part in the disrupter's ejection (you know, the topic of this article). They haven't shown her to be bothered by protests. You haven't even provided support for the "thrown out" claim.
You don't seem to understand the concept of factual support. The opinions of a couple of columnists (and even their words don't support your claims) don't qualify.
As for attacking the writer, do you honestly believe that his column was well-written? It was almost incomprehensible. But, then, look who I'm asking. Someone who keeps injecting "lawls" into his posts.
You still haven't specified exactly what I'm in denial of.
On top of things, the editorialist gets it wrong. I see no evidence that the congresswoman didn't want to fact tough questions. I see plenty of evidence that the heckler got thrown out by a cop because of his behaviour.
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