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Will Fox & Friends set story straight on NH town hall?

September 03, 2009 10:41 pm ET — 48 Comments

On August 31 and September 1, the hosts of Fox & Friends repeatedly claimed that at an August 29 town meeting, Rep. Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH) had Carl Tomanelli, an attendee who opposes health care reform, "ejected" on the grounds that "he did not have the correct ticket to speak." But the New Hampshire Union Leader reported that the man was ejected because he repeatedly interrupted the congresswoman and other attendees during the meeting, a statement now supported by a New Hampshire police lieutenant who acted as security for the event and who also said that "[a]t no time did Representative Shea-Porter advise an officer" to remove Tomanelli.

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Over two days, Fox & Friends hosts claim man ejected "at the direction" of Shea-Porter because "he did not have the correct ticket to speak"

From the August 31 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

STEVE DOOCY (co-host): All right. Let's talk about another member of Congress. Representative Carol Shea-Porter, she represents a district up in New Hampshire. She had a town hall in Portsmouth on Saturday. A hundred and fifty people were there. And it's interesting -- we're going to play a little bit of the video -- and there she is right there. She had a guy ejected -- that man right there, ejected. Apparently, he did not have the correct ticket to speak. Extraordinarily, this man is a retired police officer. And he brought this up after he pointed out that the guy who was just standing up in the purple shirt, a member of the SEIU union -- questioned whether or not that guy should even be there, whether he was a resident of the district or of the state. Michelle?

MICHELLE MALKIN (Fox News contributor and conservative columnist and blogger): Yeah. And I think that what this shows is how incapable so many of these town hall conveners have been in taking the heat. They can't take the heat, which is why they take refuge in union offices, which is why they have the purple shirts there protecting them from the rough-and-tumble world of answering to their own constituents. And, you know, look: You go back to your home town, it's not going to be like debating on the House floor, where there are Robert's Rules of Order. But there she is with her SEIU enforcers, ejecting people who are simply challenging her.

GRETCHEN CARLSON (co-host): I think interesting to me was that apparently she was an anti-war activist who may have been at a few protests herself. So, to me, that's even more startling. I mean, if you've done this in your life in another capacity, then why would you hold others who are doing it now responsible? I mean, it's just freedom of speech, right?

MALKIN: That's -- well, for imperial members of Congress, it is. It's rowdiness for me, but not for thee.

DOOCY: But just to eject a guy, a former police officer, simply -- who spoke because he didn't have a ticket? That's crazy.

MALKIN: And because he was calling out one of her union thugs. That's the bottom line.

From the September 1 edition of Fox & Friends:

ALISYN CAMEROTA (guest co-host): The man in that clip is a retired police officer and a 27-year veteran of the armed forces. He was removed from the room at the direction of the congresswoman, but why?

Carl Tomanelli joins us live from Boston, Massachusetts. Carl, thanks so much for being here. That was a raucous meeting that you were involved in. And what we could hear you saying was, these people are organized, but on the other side. They were organized, you think, by the congresswoman. Tell us more about this.

[...]

TOMANELLI: And in any event, when I asked my question -- and I guess it was just the wrong question. If you look at the tapes, you will see that in an atmosphere such as this, where emotions are high -- I mean, this is a very, very serious topic -- everybody was talking out. The way it was conducted was like on a kindergarten-type environment.

KILMEADE: Right.

TOMANELLI: You were not assured that you were going to ask a question.

KILMEADE: Gotcha.

TOMANELLI: People had --

KILMEADE: Karl, we're gonna --

TOMANELLI: -- a lot of --

KILMEADE: Right. Have a lot of anger and a lot to say, and there were -- and by the union guys who were called on, and they were filibustering, not letting you guys talk. We're going to try to get that clip and put it on FoxAndFriends.com so everybody will have a chance to review it and perhaps come to the conclusion that you did, and that is that you were blocked. Congressman Shea-Porter -- she's going to be up for election. Keep that in mind.

[...]

DOOCY: Jon, before you go. I know there were two different --

JON DICKINSON (town hall attendee): Sure.

DOOCY: -- town halls: the one you were at, and then the one that -- we had a retired New York City police officer on the show about an hour and a half ago who said that he --

DICKINSON: Right. I met him. He's a character.

DOOCY: He is a character. He simply asked her a question and because he did not have a ticket, he wound up being escorted out of the room.

NH media report: Man was ejected after repeatedly disturbing meeting

New Hampshire Union Leader: Tomanelli "[r]emoved ... because he continually interrupted Shea-Porter and others." The day before Doocy claimed Shea-Porter "had a guy ejected" because "he did not have the correct ticket to speak," the New Hampshire Union Leader reported:

Removed from the forum because he continually interrupted Shea-Porter and others in Manchester was Carl Tomanelli of Londonderry, who objected when her staff passed out health care stickers before the event began.

He claimed the stickers would be used to alert Shea-Porter to supporters. Later he told the New Hampshire Sunday News: "I'm not in favor of any health care reform Carol Shea-Porter is not a part of. If they want me to support it, I have to have the same health care as (U.S. Sen.) Orrin Hatch, or Ted Kennedy or (Christopher) Dodd."

He also objected that people outside Shea-Porter's Congressional district were in the room, including a young man who could not vote. He noted there were out-of-state license plates around the building. "It's a joke," Tomanelli said.

Police lieutenant said Shea-Porter did not tell police to eject Tomanelli

Lt. Barry: Tomanelli was "very disruptive" during meeting, "continuously interrupted people." In a statement, Lt. William Barry of the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office, who had attended the town meeting "in the capacity of helping out with security for the Federal Protection Service," said: "Towards the end of the meeting, Mr. Carl Tomanelli was escorted out of the meeting. Mr. Tomanelli was very disruptive throughout the meeting and was told repeatedly to quiet down. He continuously interrupted people who were asking questions or making statements that he didn't agree with." [Blog of Andrew Cline, editorial page editor of the New Hampshire Union Leader, 9/3/09]

Lt. Barry: Shea-Porter did not ask Tomanelli to be removed. Barry further stated: "At no time did Representative Shea-Porter advise an officer to escort Mr. Tomanelli from the building."

Transcript

From the September 1 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

CAMEROTA: The man in that clip is a retired police officer and a 27-year veteran of the armed forces. He was removed from the room at the direction of the congresswoman, but why?

Carl Tomanelli joins us live from Boston, Massachusetts. Carl, thanks so much for being here. That was a raucous meeting that you were involved in. And what we could hear you saying was, these people are organized, but on the other side. They were organized, you think, by the congresswoman. Tell us more about this.

TOMANELLI: Well, when we arrived, my wife and our friends, there was a large line already gathering, and the people on line had, if you will, marshals, you know, positioning them in line. They had professional signs. And --

CAMEROTA: And they were signs supporting health care. These were people who were in favor of it?

TOMANELLI: Oh, yes. Absolutely. And, you know, I would -- what bothered me was that, you know, as this email indicates from Congressman -- Congresswoman Sue Kelly's off-- Congresswoman Shea-Porter's --

CAMEROTA: Shea-Porter?

TOMANELLI: -- office -- yeah -- that, you know, this was a meeting that was supposed to be held --

KILMEADE: Right.

TOMANELLI: -- on the manner of health care reform for people of the 1st District. Now, when you approached these people and asked if they were from District 1, they wouldn't respond. They wouldn't talk to you. They wouldn't say anything. There were people on that line that physically looked only as young as high school age but certainly not voters.

KILMEADE: Right. So you --

TOMANELLI: And really didn't have any business there.

KILMEADE: Carl, so you never --

TOMANELLI: And --

KILMEADE: You never got your answer, correct? You never got the answer --

TOMANELLI: Oh, absol--

KILMEADE: -- whether these people were from the area or not.

TOMANELLI: Absolutely not. There was -- and I wish to say this -- and by the way, I am a retired police officer, and I'm from the greatest police department in the world, New York City.

KILMEADE: No argument.

TOMANELLI: Thank you. And in any event, when I asked my question -- and I guess it was just the wrong question. If you look at the tapes, you will see that in an atmosphere such as this, where emotions are high -- I mean, this is a very, very serious topic -- everybody was talking out. The way it was conducted was like on a kindergarten-type environment.

KILMEADE: Right.

TOMANELLI: You were not assured that you were going to ask a question.

KILMEADE: Gotcha.

TOMANELLI: People had --

KILMEADE: Karl, we're gonna --

TOMANELLI: -- a lot of --

KILMEADE: Right. Have a lot of anger and a lot to say, and there were -- and by the union guys who were called on, and they were filibustering, not letting you guys talk. We're going to try to get that clip and put it on FoxAndFriends.com so everybody will have a chance to review it and perhaps come to the conclusion that you did, and that is that you were blocked. Congressman Shea-Porter -- she's going to be up for election. Keep that in mind.

[...]

DOOCY: Jon, before you go. I know there were two different --

JON DICKINSON (town hall attendee): Sure.

DOOCY: -- town halls: the one you were at, and then the one that -- we had a retired New York City police officer on the show about an hour and a half ago who said that he --

DICKINSON: Right. I met him. He's a character.

DOOCY: He is a character. He simply asked her a question and because he did not have a ticket, he wound up being escorted out of the room.

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    • Author by NH (September 03, 2009 11:02 pm ET)
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      I was there. She motioned to have him taken out because he exposed the guy with the SEIU shirt as not being from NH.

      Bad enough for you?



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      • Author by funnymanpants (September 03, 2009 11:21 pm ET)
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        >>I was there. She motioned to have him taken out because he exposed the guy with the SEIU shirt as not being from NH.

        How did he know the guy with the SEIU shirt was not from NH; how exactly did the representative motion?
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      • Author by ReasonAndResolve (September 03, 2009 11:21 pm ET)
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        How exactly did he "expose" him?
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        • Author by princeofwheels (September 04, 2009 12:46 am ET)
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          Because people like this screamer heard from Rush and Seannie that anyone wearing a SEIU shirt can't be from anywhere but somewhere else.
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      • Author by princeofwheels (September 04, 2009 12:43 am ET)
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        But was he doing what the officer said he was doing? Was he interupting people? Why not tell the WHOLE story?
        Tell me NH, did this guy think it was HIS meeting and he could trample on the rights of other attendees? I will await your answer. I am here.
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      • Author by rtwmd1230 (September 04, 2009 9:21 am ET)
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        You're calling Lt. Barry a liar. Why do you hate the police?
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    • Author by DellDolly (September 03, 2009 11:08 pm ET)
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      "....and because he didn't have a ticket, he wound up being escorted out of the room"?

      How do they come to conclusions like this? There's zero evidence that would lead one to come to that conclusion, and all kinds of evidence that he was rude and a 'doesn't play well with others' kinda guy.
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    • Author by fawltylogic (September 04, 2009 1:11 am ET)
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      I bet this police officer hates unions. After all, what have they ever done for police officers?
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      • Author by tinka (September 04, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
           
        Most of the America's Police Department are Union members.
        Albany Police Officers Union Local 2841
        http://www.apou2841.com

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (September 04, 2009 6:17 am ET)
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      As a retired police officer this guy should know what constitutes disturbing the peace. And I hate it when retired cops think their former profession gives them a free pass. But, of course, I would be accused of being un-American for saying that...I must hate police.
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    • Author by captfoster2 (September 04, 2009 8:48 am ET)
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      I am a firm believer that every single person that goes into these town halls SHOULD have to show ID! if for any other reason than to prove that they are local or at least from the given state!

      Here's the question: Why at all does someone from one state need to show up to a town hall in another state? I'm in Illinois, I have no reason in the world to go to a town hall in Iowa. What would be the point, other than to (potentially) disrupt (since I would not be effected daily by anything that happens in Iowa)

      Having mandatory ID'ing at the door does one thing and one thing only... it guarantees that the rude, obnoxious riff-raff that shows up are at the very least... local boneheads, instead of out of state or bused in ones!
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      • Author by ReasonAndResolve (September 04, 2009 9:28 am ET)
           
        Aside from accusations, is there any proof at all that people were there from outside the district?
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      • Author by wesley (September 04, 2009 10:44 am ET)
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        Show an ID?

        Good idea...and while we're at it...lets make them show the same ID when they show up to vote.

        You're on to something with this ID thing, capn.
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        • Author by pongotwistleton (September 04, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
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          Careful Wesley, you should know by now that it's racist, oppressive and xenophobic to require ID's at the voting booth. It's so difficult in this dreadful country for the poor and minorities to obtain IDs. Ask progressive beacons like Jesse Jackson.
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          • Author by my4cents (September 04, 2009 9:24 pm ET)
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            Actually, it is.
            Are you poor or a minority person?
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            • Author by pongotwistleton (September 05, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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              I'm not a minority, but neither am I wealthy. Why don't you explain to me how difficult it is to get an ID. I've lived in four different cities so far, have changed my ID each time, and have voted in each city. Explain to me why it's easier for me to do it then a minority or, the impoverished. If someone's too lazy or too dumb to know how to get an ID card, then they shouldn't be permitted to vote.
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          • Author by wesley (September 04, 2009 9:41 pm ET)
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            You got it, pongo.

            But unfortunately there are many liberals...arguing for IDs to participate in public debate but arguing against IDs for voting...that won't ever get it.
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            • Author by my4cents (September 04, 2009 9:47 pm ET)
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              But I thought carrying an ID card was Socialist?
              You stand in line, show your card, and get whatever you are eligible (decided by the Dictator) for?
              What happened to freedom and liberty?
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        • Author by John Paradox (September 04, 2009 1:28 pm ET)
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          Gee.. last time I voted (not in a recent primary, I list 'none' as party affiliation), I had to show ID... and there are plenty of states that require it IIRC.
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        • Author by pointofview (September 05, 2009 9:43 am ET)
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          Wes

          Love the idea. But the loony left would never suggest an ID for something as important as voting. They love the idea at a town hall meeting, but not to prevent voter fraud or anything really important like that.
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          • Author by ReasonAndResolve (September 05, 2009 11:44 am ET)
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            Voter fraud is a minor problem - it just doesn't happen that often. Generally, what we have is registration fraud - and that is really a non-issue, since it only rarely results in voter fraud.

            In truth, our voter registration system and voting day procedures are far more complicated than they need to be. Why should anyone have to register at all? Proof of citizenship and proof of your home address should suffice. Then the voter dips his/her index finger into a pot of indelible ink that is only visible under ultra-violet lamps - voila! No fuss/no muss - and no multiple voting.

            The system is set up to discourage people from voting - a strong democracy would encourage ALL voters.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 04, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
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        I don't think we need IDs. We need common decency. I don't care what district someone came from - if they have reasonable questions and are willing to listen to answers and engage in adult debate they should be welcome. This issue is when they insist on acting like petty schoolchildren and refuse to allow anyone other than themselves to be heard - they are acting un-American and are wasting everyone's time.
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        • Author by wesley (September 04, 2009 8:16 pm ET)
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          Perhaps less shouting would be needed if politicians would actually engage in debate and answer questions...rather than sleazily slinking through town hall type meetings with nothing but double talk.

          The career politician is mostly responsible for the lack of honest dialog with their constituents. The only thing that motivates the career politician is re-election...not serving the public good.

          Kudos on your call for common decency...but I think that it should start with our elected officials. John Q. Public has more common decency in his little finger than any politician.
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          • Author by my4cents (September 04, 2009 10:49 pm ET)
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            "rather than sleazily slinking through town hall type meetings with nothing but double talk"

            From what I have seen on the tube, they could not even talk, leave alone double talk.
            "The career politician is mostly responsible for the lack of honest dialog with their constituents. The only thing that motivates the career politician is re-election...not serving the public good."
            Agree 100%.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 05, 2009 8:06 am ET)
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              And I have to say, it is hard for me to blame the ugliness of this debate on the politicians in the townhall meetings. Have you heard your hero John Q. Public in this debate? They argue from pure emotion and no facts. The double talk has been coming from the public in these townhall meetings. "Goverment-run healthcare will ruin Medicare." "Government-run healthcare will ration care" - as if insurance companies do not automatically deny 1/5 of all submissions. "Death panels are coming", "Obama is setting up the same policies as Hitler", etc. etc. Sometimes we give the public too much credit. Alot of our politicians are stupid. But even more of them act stupid to placate the ignorant masses.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 05, 2009 8:02 am ET)
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            "John Q. Public has more common decency in his little finger than any politician." - wes

            Come on, now. That's bumper sticker rhetoric as an excuse to act ridiculous in public. Have you seen some of these townhall performances by the public. They want their country back? Screaming at a woman in a wheelchair while she is trying to explain how her lack of coverage affects her multiple diseases? Hasn't everyone seen the one with Sebelius and Specter attempting over and over again to get any kind of an explanation out while some in the crowd refuse to even let them finish a sentence? And, this is justified by making an assumption that all politicians are bad and all people in the public are good?

            We have to stop excusing bad behavior as a society. What we end up with is these John McCain faux townhalls where they screen everyone in attendance and only allow in those that agree with them. Debate is important in any representative democratic republic. We must be able to disagree with each other and disagree with our representatives on policy without becoming unruly everytime. It is our duty to be able to disagree with the policies of those who were elected against our personal vote without becoming insane. You may not agree with healthcare reform, you may not agree with the answers a representative gives you, but you do owe them the opportunity to give the answer. It's all a part of becoming an adult.
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            • Author by wesley (September 05, 2009 9:24 am ET)
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              -- And, this is justified by making an assumption that all politicians are bad and all people in the public are good? -- mikehuck
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            • Author by wesley (September 05, 2009 10:08 am ET)
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              -- And, this is justified by making an assumption that all politicians are bad and all people in the public are good? -- mikehuck

              Of course not...and I agree with you that we should not promote or excuse bad behavior. There are plenty of examples of bad behavior by both politicians and citizens.

              You advocate giving them "the opportunity to give the answer". That sounds civil and reasonable. Yet, we've been giving politicians that opportunity for a long time and mostly we get double talk at best and outright falsehoods at worst.

              Recently I looked at the latest 60 statements on healthcare that were evaluated by PolitiFact. They were only able to judge just 6 of them as true. That's what happens when politicians and advocates are allowed to "give the answer" without the challenge of answering those questions face to face...and giving a straight answer.

              Certainly I agree that a civil discourse between opposing sides is the best option...but unfortunately it sometimes takes a figurative dope slap to make a politician give a real answer.

              This has been going on since the founding of our country. The debates on the Declaration of Independence and the establishment of our Constitution were rife with rude and raucus debates between opponents.

              Here's a great example of what can happen when you attempt to have a civil discussion with a career politician...and it's not about the issue they are discussing...it's about the behavior of the politician when he is not allowed to double-speak and reframe the question to avoid a straight answer.

              I'm not making "an assumption that all politicians are bad and all people in the public are good"...but when I weigh the respective behaviors I come down squarely on the side of John Q. Public's right to demand straight answers...rough and tumble as that might be.

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              • Author by mary59 (September 06, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
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                "but when I weigh the respective behaviors I come down squarely on the side of John Q. Public's right to demand straight answers...rough and tumble as that might be."

                I agree with your statement, but that isn't what is happening with the town hall shouters. They have nothing but uninformed screeching. This does nothing to further democracy.
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    • Author by mk3872 (September 04, 2009 9:51 am ET)
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      LOL! Thre more & more that the GOP and their news channel Fox News turn to Matt Drudge & Michelle Malking for "scoops" like this, the more ridiculous they will look and the more "stories" they'll have to walk back ... Pretty pathetic stuff
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    • Author by wizbor4654 (September 04, 2009 10:25 am ET)
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      Being from NH, whats hilarious about all this is she has put off town halls so long knowing this would happen. Why is that funny? Because she did EXACTLY the same thing when the former congressman Jeb Bradley held town halls here.

      Now she is getting a taste of her own medicine, lawls. She has become what she use to protest.

      Hows the view Congresswoman?
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (September 04, 2009 10:29 am ET)
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        Some link to back up your statement would be good. These days anyone who takes a neocon statement at face value is being lied to with regularity.
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        • Author by wizbor4654 (September 04, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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          Shes well know in this state for her anti-bush protests(she was forcible thrown out of one), hounding Jeb Bradley at town halls, etc. Plenty of stories out there. She attended a protest at the state house with a grp dressed as Nazis, lawls... now shes the one being protested and she doesn't like it bwhaahahaha....
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          • Author by BillJ-MN (September 04, 2009 10:59 am ET)
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            I see nothing in the article to which you linked that supported your claims about Shea-Porter. There was a rally outside on public grounds and she made a statement to a reporter in opposition to a Real ID law. There was NOTHING about her or anyone in the group disrupting any kind of proceedings.

            And that is aside from the fact that she clearly did nothing to facilitate the ejection of the disruptive man at the townhall under discussion.

            Really, you've contributed nothing to the discussion.
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            • Author by wizbor4654 (September 04, 2009 11:26 am ET)
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              your in denial but that's to be expected... like I said the stories are all over the state if you want to look...

              NashuaTelegraph:
              "...The irony is, of course, that Shea-Porter used to be a "tea-bagger'' on the left. She stalked then-congressman Jeb Bradley at town hall-style meetings the 1st District Republican incumbent held throughout his district...."
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              • Author by BillJ-MN (September 04, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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                Of what am I in denial? I deny the idea that there is any evidence that Shea-Porter had any influence on the disruptive man's ejection. I deny that you've shown that she has ever been disruptive at others' townhall meetings. I deny that you've even shown that she is upset at being protested.

                Neither of your links support what you said about her. So she attended some townhall meetings of her predecessor? So what? It's not as though she shouted anyone down, preventing others from presenting their opinions. At least, not so that anyone's shown that to be true.

                Lastly, that column in your Nashua Telegraph link has to be one of the most poorly written essays I've ever read. It's incredible that someone who writes like that was given a column.
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                • Author by wizbor4654 (September 04, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
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                  So their you go...attack the writer...hmmm, lawls. Ok so how 'bout an editorial from our conservative statewide paper, TheUnionLeader? But, like I said, your in denial whats going on here and all over the country so no matter how many post I link for what we in NH already know, wont convince the elitists @ MM and the beltway folk.

                  [quote from UL]
                  "The conclusion has to be that she doesn't want to face questions from people who disagree with her positions, particularly on health care. We find this curious and regrettable, especially given her history of challenging her predecessor, Jeb Bradley, for nearly two years during his town hall meetings. Some might say she hounded him."

                  good day
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                  • Author by Brabantio (September 04, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
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                    So some conservative editorial is supposed to constitute evidence? Wow.
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                  • Author by BillJ-MN (September 04, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
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                    You made the following statements:
                    "Because she did EXACTLY the same thing [as the ejected protestor] when the former congressman Jeb Bradley held town halls here."
                    "Now she is getting a taste of her own medicine, lawls. She has become what she use to protest."
                    "Shes well know in this state for her anti-bush protests(she was forcible thrown out of one),
                    now shes the one being protested and she doesn't like it"

                    You've provided three links. None of them said anything about her being disruptive at past events. You haven't provided any hint of evidence that she played any part in the disrupter's ejection (you know, the topic of this article). They haven't shown her to be bothered by protests. You haven't even provided support for the "thrown out" claim.

                    You don't seem to understand the concept of factual support. The opinions of a couple of columnists (and even their words don't support your claims) don't qualify.

                    As for attacking the writer, do you honestly believe that his column was well-written? It was almost incomprehensible. But, then, look who I'm asking. Someone who keeps injecting "lawls" into his posts.

                    You still haven't specified exactly what I'm in denial of.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 04, 2009 6:05 pm ET)
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                      Yeah, I read both links and I think maybe wizbor has not. They, in no way, support your conjecture wizbor. Did you not think we would read the links? It makes you look a little foolish.
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                  • Author by eweston8542983 (September 04, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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                    I'm with Bill and Brabs you got nada.
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                  • Author by funnymanpants (September 04, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
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                    >>"The conclusion has to be that she doesn't want to face questions from people who disagree with her positions, particularly on health care.

                    On top of things, the editorialist gets it wrong. I see no evidence that the congresswoman didn't want to fact tough questions. I see plenty of evidence that the heckler got thrown out by a cop because of his behaviour.
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    • Author by shaggles (September 04, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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      Does FOX ever do corrections?
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      • Author by njguy93 (September 04, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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        Does a bear wash its paws after it does its business in the woods? I think FOX NEWS CHANNEL has done corrections before, but only when the mistake has been extremely obvious and blatant and has been exposed to many, which is what happened when Media Matters exposed them a few times. Although for something like this, they may not do a correction at all, unfortunately.

        THANK YOU.
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        • Author by njguy93 (September 04, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
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          Besides, their audience is mainly disturbed neanderthals who believe that crap and will become even more insane than they already are if they see a correction there which actually is in favor of a Democrat.

          THANK YOU.
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