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REPORT: Fox News' town hall coverage amplifies opponents of health care reform, ignores supporters

September 08, 2009 9:00 am ET — 125 Comments

A Media Matters for America review found that, during the week of August 24, Fox News aired 22 clips of town hall meeting attendees expressing an opinion or asking a question that opposed progressive health care reform efforts but aired zero clips of town hall attendees expressing an opinion or asking a question supporting reform.

Media offer distorted view of town hall meetings

Dionne: Media "went out of their way to cover the noise" at town halls, highlighted "fringe right-wing view." Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne wrote: "There is an overwhelming case that the electronic media went out of their way to cover the noise and ignored the calmer (and from television's point of view 'boring') encounters between elected representatives and their constituents. It's also clear that the anger that got so much attention largely reflects a fringe right-wing view opposed to all sorts of government programs most Americans support." [The Washington Post, 9/03/09]

Kurtz: "[A]nger at town-hall meetings ... became an endless loop on television." Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz wrote: "The eruption of anger at town-hall meetings on health care, while real and palpable, became an endless loop on television. The louder the voices, the fiercer the confrontation, the more it became video wallpaper, obscuring the substantive arguments in favor of what producers love most: conflict." Kurtz added: "Twenty members of Congress might have held calm and collected town meetings on any given day, but only the one with raucous exchanges would make it on the air." [The Washington Post, 8/24/09]

Fox News only interested in covering "yelling" and "contentious questions." As Kurtz reported: "In fact, after the president convened a low-key town hall in New Hampshire, press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters: 'I think some of you were disappointed yesterday that the president didn't get yelled at.' There was a grain of truth in that. As Fox broke away from the meeting, anchor Trace Gallagher said, 'Any contentious questions, anybody yelling, we'll bring it to you.' " [The Washington Post, 8/24/09]

On Fox News, anti-reform voices drown out pro-reform ones 22-0

Fox News aired 22 clips of attendees opposed to reform, none of supporters. Fox News aired 22 clips in which town hall attendees expressed an opinion against health care reform, but no clips of attendees expressing support. CNN aired three clips of attendees expressing support and five voicing opposition to reform; MSNBC aired one clip against and none in support:

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Fox News features extreme anti-reform rhetoric, ignores substantive, pro-reform questions from town halls

Incendiary town hall rhetoric highlighted by Fox. During the week, Fox News provided a platform for incendiary statements about progressive reform efforts. For example, on five separate occasions, Fox aired a clip of an attendee who said at an August 25 town hall for Sen. John McCain: "No compromises! Senator, nuke it now." Other examples of comments by anti-reform attendees that aired on Fox include:

  • "If Nancy Pelosi wants to find a swastika, maybe the first place she should look is the sleeve of her own arm." [Fox & Friends, August 24 coverage of Rep. Brian Baird's (D-WA) August 18 town hall]
  • "Have you ever, or any of your family members, lived under so-called socialized medicine, as I call it? I have, and I've had relatives living on it. And trust me, it ain't working." [On the Record with Greta Van Susteren, August 25 coverage of Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) August 25 town hall]
  • "I'd like to know why illegal aliens -- illegal -- not members of this country, don't belong here, are gonna be insured under this. .... I have taken the time to look at certain provisions of the bill on the Internet. I can quote the -- what is it? -- the section and the page, and it definitely says that they will be insured. They don't even belong here, and I'm paying for it." [America's Newsroom, August 28 coverage of Sen. Mary Landrieu's (D-LA) August 27 town hall]
  • "[T]here will be rationing health care. ... [A]nd, in addition, the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, through, with the help of pharmaceutical companies, do a lot of research and they have made great strides in helping people like Maya live normal, productive, longer lives. I'm afraid when this government option is passed, Maya's life will not be worth anything to the government." [America's Newsroom, August 28 coverage of McCain's August 26 town hall]

Substantive, pro-reform questions passed over. Despite providing a platform for incendiary anti-reform claims, Fox News repeatedly passed over substantive and pro-reform questions and comments from the town hall meetings that they covered. While those questions could be heard and read in unedited footage of the town halls online or in local coverage of the events, they were not aired on Fox -- even when the network featured footage critical of reform from the same meetings. Examples of questions from pro-reform attendees that Fox News didn't cover include:

  • "Could you please help us understand why this single-payer option is not on the table, for one; and two, could you then lead us into some understanding as to why even a public option seems to be in doubt?" [Baird town hall, 8/18/09]
  • "I believe you have had access to government-provided health care for most of your life, and, you know, I would imagine that most of us here are on Medicare, and there may be some who would like to give up their Medicare. No, none of us do. So what is so wrong with government-provided health care?" [McCain town hall, 8/25/09]
  • "Please support real national health care, also called universal single-payer. It has already ... but it is really better and cheaper." [Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) town hall, 8/27/09]

Nor did Fox News cover this comment from a town hall attendee:

I'm very concerned about the quality of the debate. You know, not only the screaming of misrepresentations, but also the fact that the press really doesn't seem to want to cover policy. You know, they want to cover gossip, and I'm very disappointed, and I would like all of you press to start covering the policy. [Moran town hall, 8/25/09]

On one occasion, Fox News played a clip from Sen. Tom Coburn's (R-OK) August 24 town hall in which a woman talked about her husband's battle with a brain injury but did not express an opinion for or against health care reform. The woman said: "My husband has traumatic brain injury. His health insurance will not cover him to eat and drink. And what I need to know is, are you going to help him where he can eat and drink? We left the nursing home, and they told us we're on our own." Coburn responded, "Well, I think -- first of all, yeah, we'll help. The first thing we'll do is see what we can do individually to help you, through our office. But the other thing that's missing in this debate is us as neighbors, helping people that need our help. You know, we tend to -- the idea that the government is the solution to our problems is an inaccurate, a very inaccurate statement." CNN and MSNBC aired the clip a total of nine times during that week.

Reporting contradicts Fox's assertions about degree of anti-reform sentiment at meetings

Fox played up "boo[ing]" at town hall -- other reporting said it was an aberration. A Fox & Friends August 25 news brief about Sen. Claire McCaskill's (D-MO) August 24 town hall featured on-screen text reading, "TOWN HALL TEMPERS: SEN. MCCASKILL GETS BOOED," as well as footage of the audience booing. However, in an article about the town hall, the Associated Press reported: "A couple of shouts and a few boos punctuated Sen. Claire McCaskill's health care forum in Hannibal, but mostly the crowd crammed into a grade school auditorium offered polite, if mixed, feedback." [Associated Press, 8/24/09]

Fox suggestion of overwhelming opposition at Moran meeting undermined by other press accounts. On the August 26 edition of America's Newsroom, after airing a clip from Moran's August 25 town hall, co-host Gregg Jarrett stated that there "seemed to be more jeers than cheers at that town hall meeting." That sentiment was echoed on Special Report later that day, when host Bret Baier reported: "Virginia Democratic Congressman Jim Moran was greeted by boos Tuesday in Reston, and the crowd frequently interrupted him. Former Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean was also on hand and both were given a hard time by many of the 3,000 people in that audience."

However, according to an August 26 account of that same town hall by CQ Today, "conservative protesters ... were overmatched by supporters of Moran and Obama, who had their own signs -- or were provided them by Organizing for America, Obama's grass-roots support group -- and who were able to yell loudest." In its August 26 report on the town hall, The Washington Post noted: "Unlike at many town hall meetings that have received attention across the country, the crowd in the Democratic-leaning district was dominated by reform proponents, many carrying signs distributed by President Obama's political action group Organizing for America." [The Washington Post, 8/26/09]

Methodology

Media Matters searched digital video and Nexis transcripts, when available, for clips of health care town halls on all original programming on CNN, the Fox News Channel, and MSNBC from August 24 through August 28. The Nexis search string used was "health and town!." Any clips discovered through the Nexis search were also reviewed on digital video.

Media Matters coded every time a clip of a town hall was played. For a clip to be included in the analysis of pro- and anti-reform attendees, it had to meet two standards: 1) the clip had to feature a question or comment from a town hall attendee that could be classified as either pro- or anti-reform, and 2) the town hall featured in the clip had to be identifiable by date, location, and member of Congress. Clips of town halls that were included in packaged news stories were not included in the analysis unless the story was primarily about the town halls. Live coverage of town halls and coverage of protests outside the town halls were also not included in the analysis. Teasers were not included unless they contained footage that was substantially different from the segment they teased.

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    • Author by mk3872 (September 08, 2009 9:29 am ET)
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      Let us all put this experience of anti-Obama, anti-heathcare in the marketing and media history books as the quintessential way in which a vocal minority can drive the press and the discussion on the Net and chattering cable pundits.

      When your ideas are in the minority and you've just lost a big election, just scream, yell and make provocative signs (be sure to mention Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler and Hugo Chavez as much as possible) and you'll get the most attention.
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      • Author by fawltylogic (September 08, 2009 10:24 am ET)
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        IOKIYAR - if left-wingers did this, the media would be out there in force demonizing all of them quicker than you could say "pre-existing condition".
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      • Author by progressive tribalist (September 08, 2009 10:42 pm ET)
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        Can't blame it all on these squirrelly little pi$$ed off Republican creeps. This administration has failed to adhere to a strong principled position and a clear definition of what they are for. They have backed off from a strong public option (after not even considering a single payer system), they haven't told the gory story of the insurance industry punks, they fail to hit back when Republicans attack, they act surprised by the attacks and they don't seem to be able to anticipate these very predictable attacks.

        They have been weak in the very moment that they need to realize some fights are worth losing an election over. They need to go all in and they have simply been willing to negotiate incremental change and stupid half measures.

        I am more disgusted with the spinelessness of these Democrats than I am with the Republican extremists who have driven the debate into la la land.
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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (September 08, 2009 10:09 am ET)
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      In other news, the sky is blue and the grass is green.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (September 08, 2009 10:16 am ET)
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      As I have said before, I was there, but outside. The attendance was huge, and my husband and I didn't get in, but outside, the pro-reformers did outnumber the anti-reformers, and we shouted them down in a slogan shout off. I will also say that the anti-reformers had several really tall men who were going around and trying to intimidate the pro-reform supporters.
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      • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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        Wow, you shouted louder? That's guaranteed to get your agenda passed.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (September 08, 2009 11:06 am ET)
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          No, but it was fun. HEALTH REFORM NOW! HEALTH REFORM NOW! HEALTH REFORM NOW! HEALTH REFORM NOW! HEALTH REFORM NOW! HEALTH REFORM NOW!
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          • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:14 am ET)
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            Um... ok. Health reform now, but with no idea what the reform actually is? Outstanding.
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            • Author by pete592 (September 08, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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              Makes a bit more sense than protesting taxation when you're getting a tax cut.
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              • Author by epkklk851 (September 08, 2009 11:22 am ET)
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                Or shouting "Kill the Bill" which is what happened at my town hall.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:37 am ET)
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                Who got a tax cut? Did you? I know I didn't.
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                • Author by epkklk851 (September 08, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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                  Actually, my after tax salary went up a few dollars every pay period in March, just after the stimulus passed.
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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                    Well, you're lucky because mine didn't, nor did anyone else I know get a tax cut. However, my father, who owns a small business got his raised and will now have to lay off some employees.
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                    • Author by fawltylogic (September 08, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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                      He will have to lay off several employees to pay for his increase in taxes? Sorry, you're lying.
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                      • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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                        The money has to come from somewhere. There has to be cutbacks. If your taxes get raised, wouldn't you have to make some sacrifices somewhere? Don't accuse me of lies when you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.
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                    • Author by BillJ-MN (September 08, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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                      Well, you're lucky because mine didn't, nor did anyone else I know get a tax cut. However, my father, who owns a small business got his raised and will now have to lay off some employees. - starkcr31

                      My take-home pay also increased along with that of the vast majority of American workers. I'm betting that a large number of people you know had the same. On an individual basis it wasn't a lot, but on a nationally cumulative basis it was huge, putting most of those consumer dollars back into the economy.

                      As for your father, I'm with fawltylogic in calling BS. Please cite for us the specific change in tax code that is having this huge effect on his business. As for laying off employees, if he is able to operate his business with several fewer employees, it means he wasn't operating it very efficiently to begin with. Businesses don't staff according to their tax obligations; they staff according to the number of people of specific skillsets needed to meet their business obligations.
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                      • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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                        So, are those people lying to me? I'm not rich, but I saw no increase in my take-home pay. I see, so since my father's business won't go under because he has to lay off several employees, that means he wasn't running it efficiently? What about the people that were laid off? Screw them? Businesses all run based on a ratio of how much they produce and how much they spend. This is not a difficult concept. My dad is taking in less (because of the tax increases), so he has to make cuts somewhere. It's not difficult to understand.
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                        • Author by peace4all (September 08, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
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                          i have to agrre with the above poster. please show us where in the tax code the rate on small business went up so drasticly that your father had to lay off several employees
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                          • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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                            Look, I'm just telling you what he told me. He has no reason to lie about it.
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                        • Author by BillJ-MN (September 08, 2009 2:36 pm ET)
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                          So tell us, what is the recent change in tax code that is having this dire effect on his business. It shouldn't be that hard to discover.

                          95% of American working families qualified for the higher take-home pay. If you and no one you know saw that increase, then you need to ask your company's payroll department why you didn't. The fact of the matter is, I don't believe you. It strains the credulity of anyone with common sense to believe that you and everyone you know were left out. Unless, that is, your entire circle of acquaintences is a couple of unemployed guys.

                          Yes, if your father is maintaining his level of business, supplying whatever goods or services to his customers that he was supplying before this mysterious tax increase, then he was staffed too heavily and not operating efficiently. There are reasons to staff above a bare-bones level but those reasons would be pretty much unaffected by most tax increases.
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                          • Author by achrispage6992 (September 09, 2009 10:43 am ET)
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                            complete and total beatdown of stark. His take home increased. period. end of discussion.
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                  • Author by EZ4you2say (September 09, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
                       
                    Um, that wasn't a tax cut. They just cut your witholding for 6 weeks(By about $13) so you'd have "more money to spend". You'll still owe the tax, just at the end of the year. It was an early rebate.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 08, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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                  What are you talking about? MY after-tax income went up as well! You're either unemployed, overpaid, unaware or lying, Epik.

                  As for the shouting needed to pass an agenda? Unfortunately that's what it's all come down to now. You lot must be pround.

                  As for "not knowing what's in it?" PUL-LEASE! Do you how many idiotic right-wingers I've encoutered insisting that the "death panels" are on "page 425" of "Obama's HC plan" even after I've SHONW THEM page 425 in full, to refute that nonsense? Oh, but they'll march rigth along, cryinbg about death panels, and rationing and euthanasia and other RW nonsense.

                  If there's anyone who truly has NO IDEA what in the plan, it's CONSERVTAIVES.
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 1:28 pm ET)
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                    I am neither unemployed nor overpaid and I've seen no increase. Explain.
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                    • Author by BillJ-MN (September 08, 2009 2:37 pm ET)
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                      Do a little research and then ask your company's payroll department about it. 95% of working families should have received it.
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                      • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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                        My income is less than $100K. Shouldn't I have received it? My in-laws make less than $60K combined and they haven't received anything either.
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                        • Author by BillJ-MN (September 08, 2009 2:49 pm ET)
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                          As I said, then your gripe is with your employers. Congress and the President did everything that was necessary for 95% of working families to see that increase in take-home pay. Most people actually did see it. That is a simple fact.
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                        • Author by progressive tribalist (September 08, 2009 10:48 pm ET)
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                          I felt the tax cut in my take home pay. You must work for some crooked SOBs.
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                • Author by pete592 (September 08, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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                  Probably because you make too much money, in which case you won't get any sympathy from me. Otherwise, I recommend you familiarize yourself with the $280 billion worth of tax cuts contained in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
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                    I make less than $250,000, which is what Obama claimed was going to see tax cuts. I've seen none.
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                    • Author by pete592 (September 08, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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                      It's no longer what he claimed, it's in a bill that was signed into law. Depending on which of the provisions apply to you, a listing of which I linked you to, you may not realize savings until your 2009 tax return is filed. You're making yourself look either incredibly stupid or incredibly misinformed, so instead of depending on me to spell it all out of for you, look it up for yourself and see how the bill affects you.
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                      • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
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                        Ah, it's NO LONGER what he claimed. So, he went back on his word again? How shocking. People on this site are claiming that their take-home pay CURRENTLY increased. I'm saying mine hasn't. This is not that difficult for you to understand, I'm hoping.
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                        • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 08, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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                          It is actually in effect, stark Colbert. It has gone beyond something he claimed. It is written into law.

                          My guess is you either got the tax break and have seen $20 - $40 more in your paychecks and have not noticed it. Or you thought we did not know enough about it that you could BS us and we wouldn't notice. Either way, it is fact. It is reality. Look it up. Learn something. Become one with reality. It will do you good.
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                        • Author by pete592 (September 08, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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                          "Ah, it's NO LONGER what he claimed. So, he went back on his word again?"

                          You're completely misconstruing my words and you know it. You are incapable of debating honestly.
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                        • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 09, 2009 7:47 am ET)
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                          You're an idiot. How is it NOT what he claimed, if it was signed into law?! That's that single stupidest twist I ever heard!!! "Oh it's a LAW now! SO he went back on is word!" (WTF?! How f-ing stupid do you have to be to reach that conclusion?!"

                          As soon as it signed into law my pay went up. Why don't you take a look at your stubbs and/or ask you payroll dept. I'll bet my tax relief that you're wrong about yours.
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                          • Author by achrispage6992 (September 09, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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                            And another. My Gawd! Is this type of stupidity prevelant in all conservatives? I mean really, how completely stupid does one have to be to say that Obama signing into law one of his campaign promises is "going back on his word?" Unbelievable.
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                            • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 09, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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                              My Gawd! Is this type of stupidity prevelant in all conservatives?

                              No, only those who watch Fox and/or listen to AM Talk Radio... so... MOST.
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                      • Author by BillJ-MN (September 08, 2009 2:54 pm ET)
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                        pete592 -
                        If I recall correctly, the people who wouldn't see it until they file their tax returns would primarily be the self-employed. Those who receive a paycheck from someone else and are within the income requirements should have seen a change in their payroll deductions, leading to a higher take-home pay. If starkcr31 receives a paycheck from someone else either his employer screwed up, he's wrong or he's lying.
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                      • Author by achrispage6992 (September 09, 2009 10:45 am ET)
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                        Another complete beatdown of stark.
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                    • Author by angryofmayfair61 (September 08, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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                      O come on. You have a job. Where is the gratitude??
                      You should be happy to help those less fortunate than yourself. By the way-you might be eligible for that $40k stimulus check if you want to buy the right apartment. Charlie Rangel got one!!
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                      • Author by progressive tribalist (September 09, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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                        Suit yourself. In America we care about each other. We care about those less fortunate than us because, as a community, we are only as strong as our most vulnerable neighbors.
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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (September 08, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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        Nothing like bullying to get your way.(RIGHT WING way).
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    • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 10:57 am ET)
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      So Fox News is biased towards conservatism. This is news? I have another news flash for you: MSNBC and pretty much every other television news media outlet is biased towards liberalism.
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      • Author by dr. matt (September 08, 2009 11:09 am ET)
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        I have another news flash for you: MSNBC and pretty much every other television news media outlet is biased towards liberalism


        Does Faux send you a pack of crackers every time you squawk their debunked talking points?

        BTW, this thread has nothing to do with MSNBC. Why do you reich-wing fruitcakes obsess over MSNBC so much?

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        • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:11 am ET)
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          We're talking about liberal bias so I thought I'd point out most of the bias is on the left. I think that's very pertinent.

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          • Author by dr. matt (September 08, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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            No, this thread is about Faux's far, far reich-wing propaganda. Are you really this dense, or just pretending?
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            • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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              So I can't bring up the fact that every media outlet except Fox is biased in the other direction? I already admitted Fox News is right-wing.
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              • Author by dr. matt (September 08, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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                Apparently you can zero concept of relevance and the topic at hand. Moreover, this thread is about health care reform and Faux's propaganda to destroy it. So, again I ask, are you really this dense, or just pretending?
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                • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:35 am ET)
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                  "Can zero concept"? Explain what that means. Since you have apparently below normal intelligence, I'll try this again. The thread was less about health care reform and more about Fox's bias when reporting about it. I was pointing out that the other "news" outlets are biased towards the left, so only pointing this out about Fox isn't fair.
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                  • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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                    So, if MSNBC is so biased, how come they had 0 stories dealing with people who support health care reform?

                    You fail. Again.
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              • Author by fawltylogic (September 08, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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                That's not a fact. That's a fantasy. Can you present AnY information that shows any of this "liberal bias" you like to point out?
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                • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
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                  It's called the magical senses of sight and hearing.
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                  • Author by fawltylogic (September 08, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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                    They must indeed be magical if they make you think there's a real liberal bias in the media.
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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                      Luckily (for you), you already apparently have a liberal bias so you fail to see the liberal bias in others.
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                      • Author by fawltylogic (September 08, 2009 4:13 pm ET)
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                        You apparently equate "doesn't claim Obama is a socialist" with having a liberal bias.
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              • Author by johnmartin7507 (September 09, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
                   
                you're finally right about something. COMPARED TO FAUX, everything else appears liberal. sort of like saying compared to pol pot, pinochet appears/appeared liberal. but he's not/wasn't. so there.
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            • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (September 08, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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              Starker is a CON, so he's not pretending
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          • Author by BillJ-MN (September 08, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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            We're talking about liberal bias so I thought I'd point out most of the bias is on the left. - starkcr31

            I'm curious. Do you believe that when a liberal watches one of the main network news broadcasts he continually mutters "Yeah, that's right!! That's telling 'em. Yeah, that's the way it is."

            I've got news for you. Liberals tend to get frustrated watching network news broadcasts. We find that our positions get little coverage, are poorly represented in interviews and are often badly misrepresented. Far too often they allow the liberal perspective to be explained by those who are opposed to it, a formula that guarantees it's misrepresented. Many liberals attribute this to a conservative bias just as many conservatives who see the same thing on their side attribute it to a liberal bias. In fact, it's more of a bias toward toward getting things out rapidly and sensationally with poor attention paid to getting facts or counterpoint.

            I've been watching news broadcasts for decades and have often watched them with the charges of "liberal bias" in the back of my mind. I've got my own eyes, ears and mind and have been satisfied that those charges are a load of garbage. The mainstream media news sources are generally centrist.
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        • Author by bintx (September 08, 2009 11:14 am ET)
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          Starkcr thinks that he's a "conservative" because he watches Fox and hates MSNBC. He also thinks that everyone who disagrees with his phony conservatism is a liberal.

          Consider the source.
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          • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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            That's not what I said at all so don't put words in my mouth. I don't say MSNBC is liberal because they disagree with me. I say it because I have eyes and ears.
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            • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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              Your eyes and ears don't work too well.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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                Apparently better than yours, unless you simply don't pay attention to those networks and spew liberal talking points. Actually, that's likely.
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                • Author by peace4all (September 08, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
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                  your arguement fails on so many levels.

                  1st, yes msnbc is mostly liberal. they make no secret of that.

                  2nd. fox is very right wing but are so cowardly that they wont admit it and call themselves "fair and balanced" clearly they are not. for proof just look at all the times they get caught spreading misinformation.

                  3rd. please show me one link to a major news broadcast from a major network to a story that is blatently biased.

                  4th. you people on the right really need to learn what the word mainstream means. accoring to the right fox has more viewers than anyone else. that, by definition makes fox the MSM.
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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                    First, you agreed with me that MSNBC is most likely liberal. Ok. Secondly, I already stated that I think Fox is right wing so we don't disagree on that point. Thirdly, show you one link to a show that is blatantly biased? Are you serious? Go look up ANY Sean Hannity or Keith Olbermann broadcast on YouTube. Fourthly, Fox's ratings are irrelevant. ALL other media outlets are liberal. Mainstream would equate to the majority, wouldn't it?
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                    • Author by peace4all (September 08, 2009 7:46 pm ET)
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                      3rd. please show me one link to a major news broadcast from a major network to a story that is blatently biased.

                      apparently your reading skills are also in question.
                      read it again. fox and msnbc are not major broadcast networks. they are cable channels
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                      • Author by starkcr31 (September 09, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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                        Well, I can't help you there then. I only have cable.
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                        • Author by peace4all (September 09, 2009 6:36 pm ET)
                             
                          maybe you should change the channel then from fox to the other channels. i'm pretty darn sure that cable also carries the broadcast channels as well. you know, like ABC, CBS and NBC. you should try them sometime
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            • Author by johnmartin7507 (September 09, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
                 
              and they're trained on FAUX --- so everything else appears biased to the left. EVERYTHING. you appear to have way too much time on your hands. get a job.
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      • Author by bintx (September 08, 2009 11:10 am ET)
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        Actually, that's not true. First, MSNBC, FOX, CNN are not actually "television news media outlets." You will find more actual news on MSNBC and CNN, but for the most part, the cable networks are opinion networks, not news networks. Second, you are repeating a false meme. Just because a person disagrees with your phony conservatism, doesn't mean that they are liberal, just means that they disagree with your phony Rushbot/Foxbot/Beckbot conservatism which is not true conservatism [it's a really, really bad joke, actually.]

        Have you checked into that community college course in Civics yet? You'd have a better idea of what the terminology you like to throw around all the time actually means.
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        • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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          I have 2 college degrees, I don't need any more. You may want to check into that first one though.
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          • Author by bintx (September 08, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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            Really? You could have fooled me with your posts.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:16 am ET)
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              The fact that I disagree with you does not make uneducated. Common sense should tell you that.
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              • Author by bintx (September 08, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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                Ah, but that's not the point. When confronted with facts, you constantly backtrack. You don't know what you're talking about here and it shows.

                As I said, just because you watch Fox and believe their bilge, doesn't mean that you are a conservative nor does it mean that people who disagree with it or with you are liberal. You throw those terms around with abandon and you don't really seem to know what they mean.

                As I said, your posts don't show that you are well-educated, they show that you are a Fox groupie, has nothing to do with whether you agree with me or not.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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                  You haven't confronted me with anything resembling a fact so your statement makes no sense. By the way, it has everything to do with the fact that I disagree with you. If I was spewing your liberal talking points, you wouldn't be insulting by calling me uneducated. If you honestly are trying to claim otherwise, then I don't what to tell you.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (September 08, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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                    Remember, just because you're "educated" doesn't necessarily mean you're smart.
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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                      Actually, you have a point. After all, Barack Obama is president.
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                      • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 08, 2009 3:35 pm ET)
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                        See, no he thinks Barack Obama is uneducated. Amazing disconnect.
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                        • Author by starkcr31 (September 09, 2009 11:44 am ET)
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                          Since you have no reading comprehension skills of any kind apparently, I'll explain: I was responding to the point that just because someone is educated, it doesn't make them smart. I was saying Obama has plenty of education but that doesn't make him smart. Do you understand now?
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 08, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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                  Bin, you are wasting your time. This is the same guy who claims to have the higher education yet thought a teacher had to have a separate degree in each subject he taught. Either he is lying constantly or has no understanding of the actual education he received.
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              • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (September 08, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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                STARKER, If you were really educated then you would see through LIMBAUGH'S HANNITY'S and BECK's PROPAGANDA but since you keep spitting out their talking points like a parrot i'd have to say you ane not.
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                • Author by Pinhead (September 08, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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                  I quote that great philosopher, Karl Rove, when he said that going to an Ivy League school doesn't make a person smart (and I would think that he knows of which he speaks).
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                • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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                  Political views have little to do with education. Plenty of conservatives AND liberals have plenty of education (yes, I said it). It's about seeing what's best for the country. Unfortunately, liberalism is "trendy" and people blindly follow it because it's the "cool" thing to do, not because it will actually help anything. It's human nature to want to belong to something. Liberalism works theoretically but not in practice, much like communism (no, I didn't say they were the same thing).
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                  • Author by BillJ-MN (September 08, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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                    Conservatism was trendy starting in the 1980s into the 1990s. The trend's life was artificially extended by 9/11 fear-mongering but lost its punch because it showed its inability to deliver in the real world. It only works in overly simplistic theoretical models.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 08, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
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                      Yeah, that FDR. He's so trendy.
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                    • Author by wesley (September 08, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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                      Gallup has a different take than yours, Bill. They released this analysis a few weeks ago.

                      -- Despite the Democratic Party's political strength--- seen in its majority representation in Congress and in state houses across the country -- more Americans consider themselves conservative than liberal. While Gallup polling has found this to be true at the national level over many years, and spanning recent Republican as well as Democratic presidential administrations, the present analysis confirms that the pattern also largely holds at the state level. Conservatives outnumber liberals by statistically significant margins in 47 of the 50 states, with the two groups statistically tied in Hawaii, Vermont, and Massachusetts.
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                      • Author by BillJ-MN (September 08, 2009 5:27 pm ET)
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                        That has no meaning when looked at in light of the fact that large majorities of voters have rejected the conservative philosophy of governing by large margins in the last two elections.

                        I was mostly poking fun at starkcr31's simple-minded dismissal of liberalism as a viable means of governing. A huge number of programs that are now taken for granted and favored by a huge majority of US citizens began as "dangerously liberal ideas." Liberalism has a way of working and becoming co-opted into being considered mainstream.
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                        • Author by wesley (September 08, 2009 5:38 pm ET)
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                          -- In fact, while all 50 states are, to some degree, more conservative than liberal...Gallup's 2009 party ID results indicate that Democrats have significant party ID advantages in 30 states and Republicans in only 4. -- Gallup

                          I guess what we're missing are the definitions of conservative and liberal.

                          I'll only pick a small nit when you say, "voters have rejected the conservative philosophy of governing".

                          The rejection was of a "type" of conservatism being exhibited by the republican party and not necessarily rejection of conservative principles. I can tell you this...this conservative was not exactly thrilled with the antics of the republican party during the 8 years of the Bush admin.

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                          • Author by BillJ-MN (September 08, 2009 5:55 pm ET)
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                            In the same way, while talking about definitions, it can be argued that there have actually been very few liberals in Congress through history and that we've never had a truly liberal President. Under those ideas, the case can be made that liberalism has never actually been tried as a means of governing.

                            Personal perspective can mean so much.
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                            • Author by wesley (September 08, 2009 6:17 pm ET)
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                              That's a big 10-4.

                              That old personal perspective bugaboo. Kinda like Pres.Obama losing some ground with independent voters because they think he's too liberal...
                              While some liberals are not happy because they don't think he's liberal enough.

                              I'll say this as a matter of opinion...80% of the country is not that far apart in their thinking. It's the radical 10% on both ends that are the real fringes.
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (September 09, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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                      That's funny because conservatism seemed to work pretty d*mn well during the 1980's. Explain that.
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      • Author by BillJ-MN (September 08, 2009 11:14 am ET)
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        Only in paranoid conservative fantasy-land. ABC, NBC and CBS are very centrist and have drifted only slightly back and forth over time. MSNBC is liberal in their nighttime pundit lineup, but have been more centrist in their news broadcasts. CNN has been somewhat centrist in their newscasts, but has been very willing to give prominent play to rightwing talking points without providing the depth that shows them to be weak or false.

        Only Faux Snooze has engaged in a concerted effort to slant basic news coverage to a particular ideology.
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        • Author by bintx (September 08, 2009 11:17 am ET)
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          Exactly. I would bet old phony conservative here has never WATCHED CNN or MSNBC, he's just taking the word of his heroes. I try to watch a little bit of everything to see what is being said.
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          • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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            I've watched it plenty, actually. What you "bet" is irrelevant. The only thing you are capable of is spewing liberal talking points. I actually watch those networks and formulate my own opinion.
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            • Author by bintx (September 08, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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              REALLY???? I have NEVER seen you post you "own opinion" here, you post what you've heard on Fox News verbatim. I've never seen any sign of critical thinking on your part.

              Facts are not "liberal talking points." Facts are facts.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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                So, let's see if I understand this correctly. YOU can tell me what my own opinion can and can't be. "Facts are facts"? That's your evidence that what you say is true? Unfortunately, that's not enough for actual thinking people.
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                • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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                  Actually, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but nobody is entitled to their own facts (I don't know who said that, but someone did once).

                  And the FACT is, you present very little in the way of said facts. Most often, I've seen you post direct copies of right wing talking points without attribution, or links, therefore passing off said "facts" as your own, when they're not even close.
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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                    Well, you just proved my point. "Bintx" told me what my opinion should be so I was pointing out that that's impossible. Since none of you have presented facts of any kind, you have no room to speak.
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            • Author by dr. matt (September 08, 2009 11:24 am ET)
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              The only thing you are capable of is spewing liberal talking points.
              By starkcr31

              MSNBC and pretty much every other television news media outlet is biased towards liberalism.
              By starkcr31

              Priceless.
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        • Author by SMTDL (September 08, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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          You called it accurately..Most of the networks are pretty centrist .You see a balance of Conservative/Liberal ...Reps/Dems in commentary or panels discussing most topics.Keith Oberman is an exception on MSNBC.Nobody is as blatantly biased as FOX..they hardly present anyone with a Non rightwing position or drown them out with the Obnoxious hosts and gathering of conservatives to shout them down,intimidate or talk over/ignore their dissenting views..esp Hannity!!! No networks report inaccurate or out and out lies the way Fox does..just like right wingtalk radio..Its ludicrous to defend Fox ,Limbaugh,Ingraham,Boortz,Savage,Malkin and all the hate speech they spew. Fox and Republican pundits /elected officials get a lot of talking points directly from these Talk Radio people..same words ;same typos,errors,and lies.There is no equivalency one the left...Even ,Maddow,Obermann,Schultz keep close to the facts!
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          • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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            And, it's not even the bias of FoxNews that gets me. It is their lies and misinformation that is on FoxNews.

            If they were biased, but actually reporting on things that were true, then I'd be OK with it.
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      • Author by epkklk851 (September 08, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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        I have news for you, too. Yes, MSNBC is biased towards the left, but much of the rest of the media is just focused on ratings, if it bleeds it leads. And Conservatives are on record as seeing liberal bias even when there isn't any. And Republican Fox viewers rate the news there more credible than any other outlet, and are particularly disbelieving of The NewHour and the BBC, even though the NewHour is rated as having a centerist or conservative approach to coverage. I guess Fixed News audiences like being lied to, and really dislike anyone that wants to present facts and balance.

        http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb20080819.asp#1
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      • Author by pete592 (September 08, 2009 11:22 am ET)
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        "So Fox News is biased towards conservatism. This is news?"

        You come to MMFA to find news?
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        • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:32 am ET)
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          You're right, that's probably a bad idea.
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          • Author by pete592 (September 08, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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            Admitting denial is the first step.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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              I agreed with you that coming to this site for news is stupid as it simply spews liberal talking points. How is this admitting denial?
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              • Author by pete592 (September 08, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
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                You were in denial of your stupidity due to your implication that you came here looking for news, but you later admitted to it being a bad idea.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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                  That doesn't make me stupid. It makes it a bad idea. Another bad idea would be your belief that Barack Obama is actually going to help the country.
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                  • Author by benjr (September 09, 2009 10:52 am ET)
                       
                    I'm confused. At what point did you think that this was a news site? I know I'm not the first person to ask you this, but have you even read mmfa's mission statement?
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          • Author by John Paradox (September 08, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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            Considering they never claim to be 'news'(quoting 'about us', emphasis added):


            Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

            Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.

            Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media. Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation, providing them with the resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions.
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      • Author by NG_Officer (September 08, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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        In the face of overwhelming evidence (displayed on the very site to which he you are posting), you have the temerity to post that drivel?
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    • Author by alienofwar (September 08, 2009 11:44 am ET)
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      Reject the mainstream corporate media and get your information from independent and foreign sources.

      I don't subscribe to cable anymore, but when I watch an occasional MSNBC/CNN/Fox video clip on blogs I am just baffled at how 'dumbed' down the information is. Remember, the average person is not very well informed, so the information your getting is not going to be well informing either.
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      • Author by fawltylogic (September 08, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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        Exactly. The cable "news" channels are not news. They are 24/7 infomercials for themselves, with frequent breaks for actual commercials.

        When was the last time a cable news channels actually reported anything NEW of substance? They regurgitate talking points ad nauseum - it's ALL they do (except for breaking news if some celebrity has died or committed a crime).

        We would be a better nation if cable news had never been invented.
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    • Author by John Paradox (September 08, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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      I haven't seen much coverage of the Senator Al Franken discussion that occurred, with everyone behaving (mostly)like adults.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCNs7Zpqo98
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    • Author by vhw28672478 (September 08, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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      Fox news is a major joke
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    • Author by treebadger (September 09, 2009 9:40 am ET)
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      my god someone end fox and just let the man try and fix healthcare, you can always change it 8 years later. healthcare
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