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Fox News runs with San Bernardino ACORN video without needed fact check

September 16, 2009 7:17 pm ET — 40 Comments

On September 15 and 16, Fox News devoted significant programming to conservative filmmaker James O'Keefe and TownHall.com columnist Hannah Giles' video of their interactions with an ACORN worker, who claimed she murdered her husband and gave advice on how to run a brothel, but stated after the video was released that she had merely been attempting to "shock them as much as they were shocking me." In running with the video, Fox News hosts frequently promoted the fake claim that the ACORN employee killed her husband without fact checking the allegation or indicating that they had contacted ACORN for a response.

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ACORN statement, police report: ACORN worker's husband still alive

ACORN calls video "an obvious set of lies and manipulations." During the evening on September 15, ACORN issued a statement calling the video of O'Keefe's and Giles' interactions with San Bernardino ACORN organizer Tresa Kaelke an "obvious set of lies and manipulations." Kaelke stated of the conservative activists who filmed her: "They were not believable. ... Somewhat entertaining, but they weren't even good actors. I didn't know what to make of them. They were clearly playing with me. I decided to shock them as much as they were shocking me. Like Stephen Colbert does -- saying the most outrageous things with a straightface." The press release also stated: "When the actors approached Ms. Kaelke with their provocative costuming and outlandish scenario, she could not take them seriously. So she met their outrageousness with her own personal style of outrageousness. She matched their false scenario with her own false scenarios." The release added:

For example, in response to the set-up by the filmmakers in which they say they are trying get the young woman away from her abusive pimp, she responds that she was abused by her former husband as well (true) and that she shot and killed him (false). He is very much alive and living near Barstow, CA.

However, this is taken as the gospel truth, not just in the film itself, but also by several "news" personalities, indicating that no journalistic standards were applied to making the video or vetting it for broadcast.

San Bernardino PD: Investigators found former husband "alive and well." In a September 15 news release, which was repeatedly ignored by Fox News, the San Bernardino Police Department stated that Kaelke's claim that she shot and killed her husband "do[es] not appear to be factual":

DESCRIPTION OF INCIDENT:

An undercover video reportedly filmed in the San Bernardino office for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) was recently released on the Internet. The film depicts a worker talking about her past involvement in prostitution and the alleged self-defense killing of her former husband.

The San Bernardino Police Department is investigating the claims made regarding the homicide. From the initial investigation conducted, the claims do not appear to be factual. Investigators have been in contact with the involved party's known former husbands, who are alive and well.

Timeline: Fox runs wild with San Bernardino video, repeatedly reports Kaelke killed her husband

September 15, afternoon: Fox hosts tease "brand new video." During the 1 p.m. hour of Fox News' The Live Desk, co-hosts Martha MacCallum and Trace Gallagher repeatedly teased a "brand new video" which would be released "tonight after 5 p.m." [all times ET]. From The Live Desk:

GALLAGHER: And in the bottom box, you know those undercover ACORN videos showing ACORN workers advising a young couple on how to get a home loan to open a brothel? Well, another brand new video is about to be released, as the Senate finally takes action against the left-wing group, and the Brooklyn DA launches an investigation on that.

[...]

MacCALLUM: We can now tell you that you are going to see yet another big development in the ACORN story. Another tape is expected to come out tonight after 5 p.m. And here's why this ACORN story, folks, is so remarkable, because this is sort of what never happens, folks. First, two 20-somethings do some real, old-fashioned, undercover investigative journalism, and within days there is some action in the halls of power.

September 15, afternoon: O'Keefe posts San Bernardino "exposé." At 1:49 p.m. ET, O'Keefe posted "Part I of the ACORN San Bernardino exposé" on BigGovernment.com. The embedded YouTube video is six minutes and 41 seconds long, and O'Keefe's post promises "[u]pdates to follow." On September 16, BigGovernment.com posted "Part 2," a 6 minute and 13 second video, and "Part 3," which consists of a 9 minute and 26 second video and a 6 minute and 11 second video. As of 5:15 p.m., under its section, "ACORN Story Resources," BigGovernment.com does not list "Full Audio" or "Full Transcript" for the San Bernardino visit.

September 15, 5 p.m. hour: Beck devotes hour to ACORN video. Glenn Beck devoted his program to the video, stating at the top of his show (from Nexis): "Tonight -- a special program with tape from BigGovernment.com that is so explosive it's going to peel the skin right off of your face. ACORN yet again caught on hidden camera showing their true colors. This is much more than anything you've seen yet." During the program, Beck aired numerous portions from the videotape. From the program:

  • Beck: "I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But, gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder." After airing video of Kaelke stating that she shot her husband, Beck stated, "This is twisted, bizarre, macabre -- I mean, is this theater? I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But, gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder. And the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know, so everybody in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder." Beck later added, "[W]e haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody's asking questions."
  • Beck: "It is about the people surrounding the president." Toward the conclusion of his program, Beck said: "Isn't this -- isn't this just some type of insane corruption -- something on which we can all agree? Let me bring the discussion full circle. Again, this is not about ACORN. Just like Van Jones, John Holdren, Cass Sunstein, Mark Lloyd, others. It is about the people surrounding the president of the United States." Beck then interviewed O'Keefe.

September 15, 6 p.m. hour: Special Report. On Fox News' Special Report, correspondent Molly Henneberg covered the ACORN video and reported that "[f]our employees have been fired, even though an ACORN spokesman claims the videos have been doctored, and insist the couple never came close to getting a home loan." Henneberg also aired a quote from ACORN spokesperson Scott Levenson stating, "We have a 15-step process. These people didn't get past step one, not past step one." From Special Report (via the Nexis database):

BRET BAIER (host): Republicans are asking the White House to end all funding for and government ties to the voter registration group known as ACORN. They are also pushing for a federal investigation to add to the many state probes already underway. This comes in the wake of undercover video showing ACORN representatives advising clients how to break the law.

We have a new one tonight. Here is correspondent Molly Henneberg.

[begin video clip]

HENNEBERG: She says her supervisor would shoot down the idea, but this ACORN employee in San Bernardino, California says she can advise the man and woman posing as a pimp and prostitute, in how to set up a brothel without getting caught.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you think about my idea of disguising it as a spa?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's exactly what I would do. I would -- I would disguise it as something else -- and they're all over the place, you know. Thai massage, you know, Swedish massage. I mean, there are just a bunch of them.

HENNEBERG: This follows similar statements in other undercover videos at ACORN offices in Baltimore, D.C., and New York. Four employees have been fired, even though an ACORN spokesman claims the videos have been doctored, and insist the couple never came close to getting a home loan.

LEVENSON: We have a 15-step process. These people didn't get past step one, not past step one.

HENNEBERG: Still, the Senate voted last night 83-7 to cut off federal housing and community grant money for ACORN. And House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer says since the Senate "responded overwhelmingly," he wants to look at the issue, although he called the video makers "despicable."

[end video clip]

September 15, 8 p.m. hour: The O'Reilly Factor. The O'Reilly Factor devoted substantial time to the ACORN video. Host Bill O'Reilly made the topic the subject of his "Talking Points Memo," stating, "So there you have an ACORN employee having a conversation about setting up a house full of child prostitutes. It doesn't get much worse than that." O'Reilly then aired video of ACORN spokesperson Levenson criticizing Fox News for being "a multinational entertainment agency that disguises itself as a news agency, Fox, has spent millions of dollars of resources, time to go after an organization that they don't like. It's clearly an individual who collaborated and cooperated with Fox entertainment under the guise of creating news."

ACORN was also discussed with Fox News contributors Marc Lamont Hill, Angela McGlowan, and Dennis Miller. During a discussion with Miller, O'Reilly said (retrieved from Nexis) that "now the one thing that -- that Hill pointed out that's accurate is that they went to a bunch of other ACORN agencies that didn't do that kind of stuff. So we have to be fair. We have to mention that." O'Reilly then asked Miller if the ACORN controversy will "hurt President Obama? Obama has got some ties to ACORN because ACORN supported him, and he said nice things about them. But does it hurt him?" Miller replied that it does and added that "Hill can talk about the ones who didn't do it. But I'm talking about there's three -- now there's rumored to be six or seven. If you get seven of these offices to do this."

September 15, 9 p.m. hour: Hannity. Sean Hannity devoted significant time to the ACORN video on his program, discussing the topic with numerous guests (including Andrew Breitbart and Giles) and his "Great American Panel."

  • ACORN "scheduled to get $8.5 billion -- taxpayer dollars." In criticizing ACORN, Hannity claimed that ACORN is "scheduled to get $8.5 billion -- taxpayer dollars."
  • Hannity: "[S]he's on tape admitting that she plotted to kill and had her husband killed, but we don't know if it's true yet." Hannity asked Giles, "Have you ever checked to see if in fact she had a husband that was killed?" Giles stated, "[W]e're working on that." Hannity later stated, "So she's on tape admitting that she plotted to kill and had her husband killed, but we don't know if it's true yet." During a later segment, country music singer John Rich said, "[W]hat kind of screening process are they going through that they let a lady who admits to killing her husband standing right there?"  

September 15, 10 p.m. hour: On the Record. During On the Record, host Greta Van Susteren discussed the video with Fox News contributor Karl Rove:

  • "[P]rivate citizens who did this and gave the tapes to Fox News." Van Susteren said of ACORN and the video: "I'm sure there are a lot of very fine, good Americans who are in ACORN, but it certainly is stunning if -- you know, what we're seeing. And this is not done by the federal government doing an investigation, these are private citizens who did this and gave the tapes to Fox News. And you know, it -- you know, it's stunning to think of all of the money that's being poured out and is not monitored."
  • Rove: ACORN must have terrific "human resources department to hire people like that." Rove stated that Kaelke "claimed to have killed her husband because she thought he was going to abuse her at some point. So, she's claimed that she shot him in the head. I mean, this is an organization that really must have a terrific human relations -- human resources department to hire people like that."

September 15: FoxNews.com posts more than an hour of video from ACORN visit.  FoxNews.com has posted four parts of the ACORN video, which represent more than an hour of footage. FoxNews.com states that it was posted on September 15. 

September 16, morning: Fox & Friends. On Fox & Friends, co-host Gretchen Carlson asked of the employee during the 7 a.m. hour, "She killed somebody?" Carlson had earlier reported, "According to ACORN, he's still alive." Fox & Friends did not mention the police report that the San Bernardino Police Department investigated the matter and concluded that the claims made by Kaelke "do not appear to be factual" and that her "known former husbands" are "alive and well."

During the 8 a.m. hour, after Carlson's remarks, Fox & Friends co-hosts Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade noted that Kaelke's husband was alive:

KILMEADE: She did indicate a little bit later on, I would think this is a set-up if I wasn't sure this was not a set-up, because those two kept saying, I have between -- I have a dozen girls between 12 and 16 coming from El Salvador, I need a place to live, and I have the money to pay for it.

And then they continue to conspire together in this scene to get her a house, a low-interest mortgage, what's her -- how to do it, how to handle tax-wise, and what have you. After that's done, that's pretty much what the California director said, that this is a put-on, and he's upset about it.

CARLSON: Well, yeah, basically that she was playing along in a game after the fact. We are not really sure about the details yet, including whether or not she actually did kill her husband. That is still unknown at this time.

KILMEADE: I believe she didn't. The husband is still around.

CARLSON: OK.

DOOCY: Right, he's alive and living in Barstow

September 16, 9 a.m. to 11 a.m.: America's Newsroom. The ACORN video was repeatedly discussed, and portions of it were played on America's Newsroom. Co-host Megyn Kelly discussed the video with Rove, and at approximately 10:27 a.m., Henneberg reported part of ACORN's statement from the previous day:

HENNEBERG: At one point, the ACORN worker says this sounds like a setup, but she continues to try to help them. Bill?

BILL HEMMER (co-host): So far, we've seen four locations now, this one in California as I pointed out. What's ACORN saying about this, Molly?

HENNEBERG: They're saying that the videos from Baltimore, D.C., New York, and now San Bernardino, California, are edited and doctored. And ACORN put out a statement last night responding to this new video, saying that the employee caught on to the couple early on and, quote, "matched their own false scenario with her own false scenarios." ACORN also quotes Tresa Kaelke as saying it was all, quote, "somewhat entertaining, but they weren't even good actors. I didn't know what to make of them. They were clearly playing with me. I decided to shock them as much as they were shocking me -- saying the most outrageous things with a straight face." We should point out, though, that as these videos come out, ACORN has fired four people so far.

Following Beck's instructions, Fox News attempts to change story from health care to ACORN

On September 10, Fox News devotes 17 segments to ACORN video. On September 9, Beck said that while the media "says they're going to be talking about health care" the next day, he didn't "think so," later suggesting that a video of Baltimore ACORN employees would instead be the top story. Apparently taking its cues from Beck, through 7 p.m. the following day, Fox News devoted at least 17 segments on six programs to airing and discussing portions of the video.

Transcripts

From the September 15 edition of Fox News' The Live Desk with Martha and Trace:

GALLAGHER: And in the bottom box, you know those undercover ACORN videos showing ACORN workers advising a young couple on how to get a home loan to open a brothel? Well, another brand new video is about to be released, as the Senate finally takes action against the left-wing group, and the Brooklyn DA launches an investigation on that.

[...]

MacCALLUM: We can now tell you that you are going to see yet another big development in the ACORN story. Another tape is expected to come out tonight after 5 p.m. And here's why this ACORN story, folks, is so remarkable, because this is sort of what never happens, folks. First, two 20-somethings do some real, old-fashioned, undercover investigative journalism, and within days there is some action in the halls of power.

From the September 15 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

BECK: But no one seems apparently interested in a group that could receive $8.5 billion in stimulus money -- the people that had a seat at the president's table when he set his agenda. He said it himself.

Is there something wrong with this picture, America? What is it I'm missing? Please, please tell me. Because I think about this all the time. I wake up at 2 o'clock in the morning thinking, "What have I missed?"

Isn't this -- isn't this just some type of insane corruption -- something on which we can all agree? Let me bring the discussion full circle.

Again, this is not about ACORN. Just like Van Jones, John Holdren, Cass Sunstein, Mark Lloyd, others. It is about the people surrounding the president of the United States.

From the September 15 edition of Fox News' Hannity:

HANNITY: Here you have -- you know, one city after another. Every city they went to, they got pretty similar reactions. These ACORN guys on tape, you know, literally supporting and not reporting to the police when, you know, Hannah and James go in there and say that, "Hey, we're running a prostitution ring, and we're importing underaged girls from El Salvador."

They're scheduled to get $8.5 billion -- taxpayer dollars -- after they got tens of millions in the past from the federal government.

From the September 16 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

KILMEADE: She did indicate a little bit later on, I would think this is a set-up if I wasn't sure this was not a set-up, because those two kept saying, I have between -- I have a dozen girls between 12 and 16 coming from El Salvador, I need a place to live, and I have the money to pay for it.

And then they continue to conspire together in this scene to get her a house, a low-interest mortgage, what's her -- how to do it, how to handle tax-wise, and what have you. After that's done, that's pretty much what the California director said, that this is a put-on, and he's upset about it.

CARLSON: Well, yeah, basically that she was playing along in a game after the fact. We are not really sure about the details yet, including whether or not she actually did kill her husband. That is still unknown at this time.

KILMEADE: I believe she didn't. The husband is still around.

CARLSON: OK.

DOOCY: Right, he's alive and living in Barstow

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    • Author by jpeagle21 (September 16, 2009 8:13 pm ET)
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      Its fun watching you all squirm to come up with excuses when you know that one of your own got busted.
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      • Author by vhw28672478 (September 16, 2009 8:15 pm ET)
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        you are wrong again
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        • Author by pointofview (September 16, 2009 9:01 pm ET)
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          You have never been right
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 17, 2009 8:29 am ET)
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            If you change the first word in your post from "You" to "I," then you would be correct.

            For the very first time. Ever.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (September 17, 2009 12:26 am ET)
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        Busted for what? For playing along, or talking smack? Where is the illegal behavior? Where was the cash advanced? It wasn't.
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      • Author by hillbilleeboy (September 17, 2009 10:22 am ET)
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        I enjoy watching these parasites defend using government money for criminal activity.

        The best is seeing the fools posting that there was nothing wrong done by these Nazi red shirts.
        I guess in these fools eyes teenage prostitutes and tax evasion is o.k.?
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    • Author by News Corpse (September 16, 2009 9:09 pm ET)
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      Another reason that the non-Murdoch media has declined to cover this story is that the principles (O'Keefe and Giles) have refused to be interviewed by anyone but Murdoch press. It was revealed today on CNN, during Rick Sanchez' program that they had refused to speak to CNN. I have been unable to find any interview of them except on Fox News and the New York Post.
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      • Author by jpeagle21 (September 16, 2009 10:04 pm ET)
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        Excuses, Excuses. Lets run with some facts:

        1) O'Keefe found at least 4 ACORN offices willing to help him start an underage brothel.

        2) Lots of tax-payer money has gone to ACORN.

        I hope you feel good about yourselves for taking up for these potential child abusers.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (September 16, 2009 10:14 pm ET)
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          How many underage brothels were financed through ACORN?

          (hint - the answer is between 0 and 0)

          It a non-story, except to the paranoid nutjob racists.
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          • Author by jpeagle21 (September 16, 2009 10:32 pm ET)
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            How many underage brothels were financed through ACORN?



            I don't know and neither do you. Possibly 0. Possibly hundreds. The ACORN workers sounded like they did this before. Put the race card back in your pocket. You just made yourself look like an idiot.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 16, 2009 11:33 pm ET)
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              >>I don't know and neither do you. Possibly 0. Possibly hundreds.

              Oh yes. Possibly hundreds, based on zero evidence.

              Does it mean anything to you that the film makers and FOX got punk'd, that they fell for this line about how the woman killed her husband when she didn't, thus proving she was messing with them? Or do you just want to live in a fact-free world?
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 17, 2009 8:31 am ET)
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              Possibly hundreds.
              You know what else "possibly" happened? ACORN funded Snipe refuges because of reports they were being over-hunted by green Army recruits.
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (September 17, 2009 10:53 am ET)
                   
                Ha!! I think we should take jpeagle and the other obtuse nutjobs snipe hunting. Or cow tipping.
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          • Author by carlileb5935 (September 17, 2009 12:30 am ET)
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            Excuses, Excuses. Lets run with some facts:

            1) FOX has found lots of people who believe that Obama was born in Kenya.

            2) Obama is part Kenyan

            I hope you feel good about yourselves for taking up for these potential law breakers.

            So there!
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        • Author by funnymanpants (September 16, 2009 10:47 pm ET)
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          >>1) O'Keefe found at least 4 ACORN offices willing to help him start an underage brothel.

          It was 3, not 4. The fourth one showed a woman messing with the film makers, and the film makers too dense too catch on.
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          • Author by jpeagle21 (September 16, 2009 10:53 pm ET)
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            According to her. It's amazing how quickly you accept someone's story when it supports your point.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 16, 2009 11:30 pm ET)
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              >>According to her. It's amazing how quickly you accept someone's story when it supports your point.

              Good grief! Not according to her. According to the fact that she said she killed her husband, and you know, her husband is alive. Does that mean anything?
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          • Author by carlileb5935 (September 17, 2009 12:33 am ET)
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            I'm still wondering what it was that the others did that is supposed to be illegal. All we've heard on the news is the breathless exclamation that they were doing something or other. But exactly what, and with supporting evidence?
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          • Author by hillbilleeboy (September 17, 2009 10:09 am ET)
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            Try five and more to come!.........
            LOL
            I love watching you left wing zealots avoid reality!!!

            The truth hurts huh?

            Liberal zealots act just like neocons when you point out their parties lies.

            Idiots who are blind to Uhbama's lies are just as ignorant and foolish as the people who were blind to Bushy boy's lies!!!
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        • Author by peace4all (September 16, 2009 11:29 pm ET)
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          first off, no one is "taking up with anyone". IF, the people on the video show what they appear then acorn was very lax in training and applicant screening. but guess what, they got fired and nothing ever when farther than that initial interview. second, you want to talk about tax payer monies? let talk about blackwater (killing innocents), lets talk about haliburton (killing our own troops while they shower) when are you nutjobs on the right going to start speaking out about your money killing people. your nothing but hypocrits and sore losers. you messed up this country for eight years. crawl back in your holes and let us try and fix it. really, we don't care what you think. you've shown your ideas and we not interested.
          thanks for playing.
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        • Author by funnymanpants (September 16, 2009 11:36 pm ET)
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          >>Lots of tax-payer money has gone to ACORN.

          You apparently don't know what a fact is. "Lots?" Is it a fact that "lots" of Republicans are corrupt? If you use vague words, then you probably aren't citing a fact.

          In fact, ACORN receives less than 1/2 million a year. That is laughably small.
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          • Author by hillbilleeboy (September 17, 2009 10:18 am ET)
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            You are either a liar or very ignorant of the facts.
            ACORN received more money than that just from Uhbama's campaign.
            ($800,000 to be exact)
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            ACORN received 113 million last year and is/WAS slotted to recieve 8.5 BILLION from the porkulous package.

            Get your facts straight.
            I hope you realize that making stuff up to support your position means you are spouting rhetoric and wrong TWICE.

            Don't worry though I am sure that ACORN won't even get the 500 thousand you stated.........LOL
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    • Author by BRAD19 (September 16, 2009 11:14 pm ET)
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      If Kaelke thought they were reporters or jokesters, why did she entertain them for nearly an hour, introduce them to a co-worker, and ignore a phone call to the office while she was working?

      Watch the video. Be honest with yourself. She may have been exaggerating, but she wasn't "playing along."

      ACORN is hurting all of us.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (September 17, 2009 1:38 am ET)
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      I want ti know why they did not report this murder to the police?? Isn't it their duty? Why did Fox and YouTube have this info? Where did this pair get their guidance?
      How many other offices threw them out? Why won't they be interviewed by anyone but Fox? Backroom deal with Fox? Who knows?
      These and many other questions will be answered when the lawsuits appear. But why should these "journalists" have to follow any law?

      I heard the first hour of Savages' show tonite..he was so thrilled about this murder thing. He was really happy that the truth about ACORN had come out..I guess his show runs earlier live but to listen to him get really excited about this is funny when you know that it is false.
      I guess these journalists must be Liberal plants because they made Fox look stoopid. As if that is hard to do.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 17, 2009 8:35 am ET)
           
        I guess these journalists must be Liberal plants because they made Fox look stoopid.
        If that's the definition, then Fox itself must be liberal.
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    • Author by Bad News (September 17, 2009 8:31 am ET)
         
      Fact check on Fox News?


      Mr. News
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      • Author by rubberband (September 17, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
           
        When I saw the story on FOX News they were very clear that they had not confirmed the woman's story about the murder. Others may have jumped the gun in assuming that she actually killed someone.

        Regardless, You are correct that the videos do not prove that a crime was committed. But I think that the pattern seen in these videos warrants further investigation.

        If you heard gunshots and screaming from the house next door would you say that it is nothing because you have no "evidence" that a crime was committed. Or would you call the police?

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    • Author by hillbilleeboy (September 17, 2009 10:05 am ET)
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      The fact is that ACORN used criminal thuggish tactics to force BILLIONS of dollars of loans for people who didn't deserve homes and could not afford them. The result of those efforts was the collapse of our economy( can you say Fannie and Freddie?).

      ACORN will be defunct and have its funding revoked.
      No amount of crying or finger pointing will change the fact that they are history.

      As for your pathetic attempts at race baiting..........
      YOU GOT NOTHING!!!
      Crying racism is the last resort of a small mind.

      Keep defending these criminals though, it shows what kind of people you truly are:>

      ACORN is KAPUT!!!!LOL
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      • Author by jb10 (September 17, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
           
        hillbileeboy,
        If you are referring to the completely discredited right-wing claim that the Community Reinvestment Act (and ACORN by association, and Obama by association with it) is somehow responsible for the mortgage crisis, you are as uninformed as you are hateful. CRA has nothing to do with the subprime lending crisis.If CRA and ACORN helping poor inner city minorities get mortgages was the cause, how come less than 5% of defaulted or foreclosed mortgages are CRA loans? The sub-prime predator institutions (like Countrywide) were NOT banks and were NOT subject to CRA requirements. How come the vast majority of foreclosures are not in poor urban inner cities but in suburban, sunbelt areas? How did a 30-year old law suddenly created a crisis during W's term, AFTER he had taken a machete to CRA enforcement? It was the housing bubble and unscrupulous profiteering lenders, not CMA or Fannie or Freddie. Check out all the different experts in and out of government and banking who have debunked this false claim at Columbia Journalism Review: http:www.cjr.org/the_audit/a_community_reinvestment_act_r.php
        And the all out attacks on ACORN -- starting with its voter registration drives -- are quite obviously racially motivated, just like the organized Republican efforts to disenfranchise black voters in Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004. The fact that you parrot the bogus arguments you've heard without bothering to check out the facts suggests your motivation may have a racial component, as well. Open your eyes and use the brain God gave you (and the Internet Al Gore gave you).
        JB
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      • Author by jb10 (September 17, 2009 2:26 pm ET)
           
        hillbilleeboy,
        You seem to be referring to the thoroughly discredited claim that the Community Reinvestment Act (and ACORN by their association with it, and Obama by his association with ACORN) are somehow responsible for the mortgage crisis. That bogus argument has be completely debunked by numerous experts in and out of government and banking, but the dittoheads don't seem to have gotten word. Take two seconds and go to the Columbia Journalism Review's "Economic Crisis, The Audit" page and find the "A Community Reinvestment Act Reader" for a lengthy rundown of all the different sources who have exposed the fallacy of that accusation. ACORN and CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage crisis. If I recall, less than 5% of foreclosures were CRA loans, and most of the subprime predators and failed mortgage providers were NOT banks and were NOT subject to CRA requirements. It's a bogus argument cynically created to try to discredit ACORN (and Obama by association). And, let's be honest, the attacks on ACORN -- starting with its voter registration drives -- most definitely and obviously have a racial component, just like the similar organized Republican efforts to disenfranchise black voters in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Please don't repeat bogus charges and dismiss any racial aspect without bothering to check out the facts; or do you have some unacknowledged racial issues of your own? Open your eyes and use the brain that God gave you (and the Internet that Al Gore gave you), and don't let someone else do your thinking for you. Check the facts.
        JB
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      • Author by jb10 (September 17, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
           
        hillbilleeboy,
        You seem to be referring to the thoroughly discredited accusation that the Community Reinvestment Act (and ACORN by association with it) somehow caused the mortgage crisis. It's not a fact, it's a bogus claim that's been effectively disproved but still gets repeated by dittoheads who let other people do their thinking for them and just repeat what they hear. Less than 5% of foreclosures have been CRA loans! Most of the subprime predators and failed mortgage providers are NOT banks and were NOT subject to CRA requirements! Take 2 seconds and check out Columbia Journalism Review's Community Reinvestment Act Reader for a detailed sampling of the numerous experts in and out of government and banking who have completely debunked this silly claim. CRA and ACORN had nothing to do with the mortgage crisis. And the attacks on ACORN (starting with their voter registration drives) most definitely have a racial component, just like similar organized Republican efforts to disenfranchise black voters in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004, all thoroughly documented and substantiated if you bother to look. Denying there's a large racial component to the vicious, coordinated attacks on ACORN is willfully naive. Don't just repeat the talking points you hear, use the brain God gave you (and the Internet Al Gore gave you) and check the facts out for yourself. JB
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      • Author by albertsenj (September 18, 2009 12:47 am ET)
           
        ACORN wasn't responsible for the real-estate bubble. What caused that was MUCH MORE COMPLICATED, but, I'll try to explain it in a nutshell.

        Legislation was passed to encourage homeownership. Some of this legislation (and the resulting regulations) resulted in some slackening of criteria to qualify for a loan. This increase in demand for housing put upward pressure on housing prices.

        However, the larger factor was the rule changes that allowed the banks who were making the loans to package them up and sell them - thus drastically reducing their financial interest in the long-term viability of the loans they made. This led to shopping for appraisers who would come up with unsupportably high valuations. All of these factors pushed up housing prices.

        The 'wizards' on Wall Street badly miscalculated the underlying default risk of these 'securitized mortgages' causing them to be over-valued and creating even more of a bubble.
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    • Author by ConservativeSteve (September 17, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
         
      Media Does Matter ..... I wish we had some. Fox did not accuse the ACORN woman of killing her husband. She said she did it. The real question here is if Media Matters which I have already indicated that I believe it does. Where was the media on this one? Why are you protecting a media that ignores a big story? Why are you attacking the film makers instead of being outraged by the behavior of people who accept tax money to promote criminal activity? The woman in San Bernadino wasn't playing along, she was telling a story to gain trust and show she was just as criminal as they were.
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      • Author by peace4all (September 17, 2009 1:10 pm ET)
           
        this is a big story? according to who? fox? fox reported that she said she killed her husband. what was their source? a hidden camera. the problem is that fox did what they always do. find a sorty they like and report it the way they want it to go with no fact checking first.
        and you have no idea if the acorn woman was trying to gain their trust. she said she was playing them and yyou have zero evedence to refute that. so i guess until you can prove otherwise. her story is the one we will take seroiusly.
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        • Author by anthony702 (September 19, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
             
          According to vast majority of the population, that is who thinks this is a big story. This is an example of of why Fox has such high ratings. I was watching the episode of Hannity in question, and they stated repededly they had not confermed the womans story about killing her husband. They simple reported that she claimed she did . Of which there is no douht she did make that claim, its on tape. The only accusation made was that she CLAIMED she killed her husband. Was she just messing them? maybe, most likely. but it is impossible to know the reason why she said that at the time. But 5 Acorn offices ,on tape, were willing to help creat a child brothel. That is a disturbing and undeniable fact. Of cource the Acorn stories changed.
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (September 17, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
           
        Where was the media on this one? Why are you protecting a media that ignores a big story? - ConservativeSteve

        Responsible news media try to make sure that their stories are reasonably researched. That means reviewing the basis and establishing credibility of sources. If it's a BIG STORY that calls for immediate airing, the responsible news sources provide the facts they know and state caveats on what is speculative or poorly sourced. This ACORN case doesn't fall into the BIG STORY category and the video evidence was clearly heavily edited. Given the the two individuals who created it wouldn't make the unedited video available and wouldn't even talk to most news media, it was very hard to establish the story as being worthy of broadcast.

        The woman in San Bernadino wasn't playing along, she was telling a story to gain trust and show she was just as criminal as they were. - ConservativeSteve

        Is that the new spin to avoid embarrassment?
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    • Author by jcrawford (September 17, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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      The San Bernardino Police Dept. could charge Ms. Kaelke for making a fraudulent statement that caused them to spend taxpayer money investigating her claims... At most, she would have to repay the city & do some community service...& if you think that statement is a bunch of BS....remember the runaway bride?...ended up picking up trash, like Chris Brown is doing, to repay the cost of the search.

      ...And as of today, she & the others on video contributed to getting all funding for ACORN cut off by the Feds.

      So, ya'll, it really doesn't matter if she was playing along or not...cause ACORN is history...

      Anybody wanna bet on how long Ms. Kaelke looks for a job?
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