Police report filed by ACORN exposes false claims by individuals behind videos
In recent days, Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe, the conservative filmmakers who made the widely circulated ACORN videos, as well as Andrew Breitbart and Mike Flynn, who have been promoting the videos for BigGovernment.com, have claimed that the filmmakers were never rebuffed by any of the ACORN offices they visited in their attempts to get ACORN to assist them in improper activities. However, in a newly released video, ACORN Housing Corp.'s Katherine Conway Russell directly rebuts those claims, citing a police report ACORN filed as evidence that she asked the filmmakers to leave the ACORN office in Philadelphia and called the police after the filmmakers asked suspicious questions.
Giles, O'Keefe, Breitbart, and Flynn each claimed every ACORN office the filmmakers visited was complicit
Giles answered "No" to the question: "[Y]ou didn't go into one office, and they said, 'We're not going to help you do anything like that?' " On the September 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity, Sean Hannity interviewed Giles, a Townhall.com columnist, and Andrew Breitbart, founder of BigGovernment.com, the website that first posted the ACORN videos. During the interview, Hannity asked Giles: "[W]hen you go to Baltimore and D.C. and New York and San Bernardino and San Diego, and this all happened, were there any cities you went to where you just didn't get any videotape not worthy to air?" Giles replied: "We are airing it. It's pretty worthy. Everyone seems to be -- ." Hannity then asked: "In other words, you didn't go into one office, and they said, 'We're not going to help you do anything like that?' " Giles responded, "No."
Breitbart: "There's no place, as ACORN tried to state, that kicked them out based upon the premise that they were doing something nefarious." Following Giles' denial, Hannity turned to Breitbart and said, "Not one? Every place you went, they helped you or were willing to help you, either -- not report you for an underaged prostitution ring, evade taxes as we've -- ." Breitbart responded, "Right. The -- it is interesting. There's no place, as ACORN tried to state, that kicked them out based upon the premise that they were doing something nefarious."
O'Keefe: "None of the facilities kicked us out. That's a lie." During the September 13 edition of Fox News' America's News HQ, senior correspondent Eric Shawn asked O'Keefe, "ACORN says that you went to, what, five other places around the country where they kicked you out. ... [D]id you find ethical, honest ACORN employees in any of the places that you went to that kicked you out and said, 'No, we're not going to do this. We're not going to cooperate. We're not going to have ACORN help you'?" O'Keefe responded that the people at ACORN are "liars" and that he "[a]bsolutely" wanted an apology and later added: "[N]one of the facilities kicked us out. That's a lie."
During the same interview, Giles stated: "[A]bout the whole kicking out, I mean, the women in Baltimore hugged me and -- when I left. And the women in D.C. -- I did follow-up phone calls, and they asked if I could come and meet them for coffee so we could further discuss how to make this possible." Shawn then asked, "[Y]ou are saying that there were some that did refuse? James or Hannah?" Giles responded, "Not -- no."
Flynn: "It's not even just one random employee, it's so comprehensive, it's everywhere [O'Keefe] went." According to a September 16 article on the conservative website Human Events, Flynn, the editor-in-chief of BigGovernment.com, said in an exclusive interview: "It's not even just one random employee, it's so comprehensive, it's everywhere [O'Keefe] went. What shocks me is when you watch the videos, they don't even flinch."
But Philadelphia ACORN office says it called police after O'Keefe asked suspicious questions
Philadelphia ACORN Housing official: "[W]e called the police and filed this report." In a newly released YouTube video, Katherine Conway Russell, ACORN Housing Corp.'s Philadelphia office director, stated that O'Keefe visited the office "[l]ast July" with "another woman." Russell stated that "[a]fter asking several general questions, [O'Keefe] began to veer off into suspicious territory." Russell said that O'Keefe eventually "asked about bringing girls from El Salvador and getting them papers, et cetera," but that "I told them that there was nothing we could do to help them, that I didn't know anything about what they were asking about." Russell also said that after she contacted another ACORN official and it became clear that O'Keefe "lied to get his appointment," they contacted the police.
Below is an image of the police report:
CNN also reported that ACORN's Philadelphia office filed a police complaint
CNN's Tucker: "ACORN gave CNN a copy of the police complaint." On the September 11 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, CNN news correspondent Bill Tucker reported: "ACORN gave CNN a copy of the police complaint filed against the filmmakers In Philadelphia. The filmmakers, James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles are not commenting and Giles was a no-show for an agreed-to interview with CNN."
Transcripts
From the September 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity:
HANNITY: So, in other words, when you go to Baltimore and D.C. and New York and San Bernardino and San Diego, and this all happened, were there any cities you went to where you just didn't get any videotape not worthy to air?
GILES: We are airing it. It's pretty worthy. Everyone seems to be --
HANNITY: In other words, you didn't go into one office, and they said, "We're not going to help you do anything like that?"
GILES: No.
HANNITY: Not one? Every place you went, they helped you or were willing to help you, either -- not report you for an underaged prostitution ring --
BREITBART: Well --
HANNITY: -- evade taxes, as we've --
BREITBART: Right. The -- it is interesting. There's no place, as ACORN tried to state, that kicked them out based upon the premise that they were doing something nefarious.
From the September 13 edition of Fox News' America's News HQ:
SHAWN: You went to -- two tapes have been released. They've been released on BigGovernment.com. That's where they've been released first. And James, ACORN says that you went to, what, five other places around the country where they kicked you out. I mean, what can you say about that? Were there -- did you find ethical, honest ACORN employees in any of the places that you went to that kicked you out and said, "No, we're not going to do this. We're not going to cooperate. We're not going to have ACORN help you?"
O'KEEFE: What I will say is that when we -- after we did the Baltimore ACORN facility, they issued a statement saying we were kicked out of all the other ones, and then we came out with the D.C. one, and they were -- they turned out to be liars. So, I would just hold out and see, you know, how much they're willing to lie. And at the end of this, we're going to see the truth come out, and we're going to see them apologize to me and Hannah.
SHAWN: You want an apology from ACORN?
O'KEEFE: Absolutely.
GILES: Also, about the whole kicking out, I mean, the women in Baltimore hugged me and -- when I left. And the women in D.C. -- I did follow-up phone calls, and they asked if I could come and meet them for coffee so we could further discuss how to make this possible.
SHAWN: So, at least in these first two tapes, they didn't kick you out, but you are saying that there were some that did refuse? James or Hannah?
GILES: Not -- no.
O'KEEFE: Say that again?
SHAWN: Were there some that refused your offers, that actually did not -- were not willing to cooperate?
O'KEEFE: In none of the facilities -- none of the facilities kicked us out. That's a lie.
And no one will go on any network news show besides FoxNews. That is suspicious all by itself.
He is doing so, putting his report on BigGovernment and Fox News, and then letting it run wild, and then he is further using the media by not going on other networks to back up his claims, allowing the story to exist. Fox does not mind being used because they are targeting the same organization and people.
O'Keefe is not a cop.
O'Keefe went on a fishing expedition to make himself famous.
Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense which would be illegal and the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit. In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal guilt.
If in fact they were reported by an ACORN agent in Philly, good on her. That's what every single one of the other agents SHOULD have done, but didn't. But one right move doesn't erase a dozen other wrong ones.
Or did the one Acorn employee call later to verify them, and only THEN make a police report?
Try and remember... ACORN has been caught in lie after lie. Even while saying their employees did nothing wrong, and that the videos were doctored... they were firing the same employees.
Say what you want about FOXNEWS, they were right to air these. This is real news. The police/FBI/Congressional investigations will follow. AND even if they were "thrown out", and I don't see any evidence to say they were, it still does not explain the 5 other offices. AND you can count on new video (including Philly) coming out. Very soon, former employees will want to give states evidence.
You have not seen anything until you see how far this goes up the ACORN ladder.
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Where are the police reports from, San Diego, New York, D.C.,San Bernardino, or Baltimore? I guess it is o.k. in your eyes that those places are corrupt to the core as long as there was a police report filed in Philly. ROFLMAO
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Keep defending them it shows how morally depraved you are.
Notice how the older squirms in the first video after the actress opens her mouth. His body language shows a little concern.
Looking forward to seeing Ms Russells' video on Hannity tonite.
Go after anyone who broke any laws...including the film maker. This kid is hiding behind the veil of Faux News..and to hell with the laws.
Lets' see Mr. O'Keefe put his pimp act in jail. I believe he will fianally realize what being a prostitute for no pay is like.
I'm sure he'll be quite popular with the other inmates...
O'Keefe does not care about investigative journalism. He only cares about his conservative activism and succeeding in taking down his targets.
Shawn: "So, at least in these first two tapes, they didn't kick you out, but you are saying that there were some that did refuse?"
<long awkward pause..."hmm, we might be busted here">
Shawn: "James or Hannah?"
I prefer referring to them as "mentally deficient".
I nominate that we refer to the Limbaughs' etc. as "Pimps who are selling products to pay for their radio time and to make oodles of moolah for themselves and the advertisers".
You're out of your mind.
Hahahahahahahahaha.
So what, are we not allowed to criticize Neocons for fear of being anti-semitic, is that what you're saying? Are you pretending neocons don't even exist? Do you think they are they just an imaginary stand-in for Jews?
Are you saying Greenwald, Froomkin, Alterman, J.Klein, E.Klein, Ackerman, Cohn, Yglesias etc., a very small list Jewish Neocon critics, are anti-semites?
You don't seem to realize that the vast majority of Jews are liberal and have relatively dovish views on Israel.
IT IS NOT!!!
Con is short for "conservative" and neo is short for "Jewish"
That's really a pathetic excuse to cry racism!
Don't feel bad, happens to all the trolls eventually. Now where's that FEB???
Thank you! Fox nor any of its idiot comedian/entertainer/commentators represent conservative ideology and Rush Limbaugh is the anti-Conservative. NOTHING in Rush Limbaugh's life represents conservatism.
back in the 60s, true conservatives stood up to say that the John Birch Society were not representative of conservatives. The silence in 2009 speaks volumes.
Some 4-5 years ago, NPR had a 'are you a Conservative or Liberal' quiz. I took it and the result came out that I was a Conservative. They asked questions about family, politics, economics, beliefs etc.
At that time I wondered why I was not supporting Conservatives' view points.
As time went on, it became clear.
Today Conservative is no conservative at all. He or/she is just a Republican ashamed to admit it. And today's Republican has no set of principles. Their only principle is to win, at all costs.
And looking at what is happening in Mass with Kennedy's senate seat , you can make the very same comment about democrats. Lets change the law everytime it is advantageous for us to do so. Great standards.
But of course , that is OK, they are democrats after all and it is perfectly reasonable to change the law based on the party of the Gov.
Get out of the country's way. We have 30 years of your damage to overturn.
Everyone has a different definition of "conservative" (and "liberal" for that matter, especially liberal, Adam Smith was a "liberal"), and the definitions have completely flipped in the last two centuries. You simply can't compare things like that over time, you have to look at the semantic meanings and intentions. For instance, eugenics was almost entirely invented by the 20th century progressive movement, though the modern day meaning of progressive has nothing to do with it. I suggest defining or using a more specific term like classical-liberal or neo-conservitive in a meta-discussion.
That was lame even before you wrote "meta-discussion".
Was it illegal to record all those sex perverts that a TV station showed time & time again without first telling them they were being recorded. Hope Not or those used to be great journalest would be in jail & the sex perverts would walk free.
I've been saying that all along. This is the second lie they have been caught in, the first being that Kaelke murdered her husband.
Since when has a leftist minded taking something out of context anyway?
Really? Are you sure about that? I've been reading a lot about the San Bernadino tape and haven't come across this. Do you have a link to the transcript?
It was on TV this afternoon, and here's a link to the Washington Post story. They have a link to the Breibart site with the actual transcript, but I won't lik to them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/17/AR2009091703248.html?hpid=topnews
Thanks for the link. But the story just says that she moved the film makers across the street. None-the-less, I learned that the transcript that O'Keefe has released does not start at the beginning. And that O'Keefe again didn't answer emails from the WA Post. He's lying through his teeth.
The video that they released don't show that she refused to help them and directed them elsewhere to look for 'help'.
Oh yes. The lady helped the two film-makers, set them up with clients, and then called the police. Are you serious? Obviously, if she called the police, then she didn't cooperate with them.
That means that these right-wing clowns have been now caught twice in creating huge journalistic errors. First they didn't bother checking a story, thereby making themselves look like fools; second, they outright lied.
Fifth, now that Congress has voted not to fund ACORN, I guess we'll have to run it on our "News" station now...can't just ignore it.
Oh, good grief! I don't have to make that assumption at all. The woman is making no extraordinary claims so I doubt anything she said was untrue. But the point is not if what the woman said was true; it is that the film makers are lying!
The film makers were specifically asked if there were any ACORN offices that did not cooperate. O'Keefe and Giles said no. Clearly, if an ACORN filed a police report, that indicates that office didn't cooperate.
I find it pretty telling that it is *ACORN* you don't believe, rather than the film makers. Please describe how O'Keefe and Giles didn't lie. Please explain how they were not wrong in promoting a film in which a woman claims she killed her husband, when the husband isn't alive. And please explain why you would trust the film makers when they edited their film and then claimed they didn't.
You commit logic fraud and mental bankruptcy with every word you type.
You see, in order for an organization to be corrupt, the corruption must originate from the top. Example: do you think United Airlines is corrupt because its employees engaged in human trafficking?
"A number of additional employees have now been seen counseling people on how to commit bank, mortgage and tax fraud."
Proof?
"This is why I choose to take what any ACORN employee has to say with a grain of salt."
Exactly, you choose not to believe her in the face of overwhelming evidence.
"This is why I choose to take what any ACORN employee has to say with a grain of salt. Maybe the woman's telling the truth. But, again, the police report in and of itself does not provide evidence that she is."
It certainly provides proof that the filmakers were lying when they said every ACORN office was complicit. Or perhaps you think you think the woman called the police after being complicit?
Nevertheless, this is fly droppings compared to the elephant s#@$ dropped on this country by ACORN's enemies in Wall Street, the defense industry, corrupt govt. agencies and the Enron's, Worldcom's and Tyco's. So my question to you is the same one Juan Williams asked of Hannity the other night; why do you think the Right Wing noise machine hasn't gone after these entities nearly as hard as it has ACORN, which it demonizes night after night? Why havent the teabaggers been sic'ed on them? Seriously, why do you think this is?
You need to face the fact that ACORN is targeted because they go after the wrong people. The powers that be are very afraid of ACORN, that is why there has been such an intense smear campaign against it. And unfortunately it is inevitable that the manipulative nonsense works on many people.
Also, the "teabaggers" do scorn corporate malfeasance AND corrupt government agencies. We just also scorn radical leftists and their radical leftist groups who want to radically reshape the American way of life and subvert the constitution.
It's rather simple, really.
Perfectly circular reasoning!
I believe entity X is corrupt because of A.
But A is false.
But since I know entity X to be corrupt, A is true!
And again, stop playing games about ACORN's believability. The police report shows that the *film makers* lied. You are simply making a straw man argument that goes like this: the police report doesn't support everything the person on youtube says, therefor she might by lying, therefore the film makers didn't lie.
That is illogical. Even if everything the ACORN worker says is not verefied by the police report, the police report still veriefies that the film makers did not get cooperation from this office. The film makers claim that never happened.
Oh, and do you think the police are lying about Kaelke's husband still being alive? The film makers have gotten caught now three times--editing the film, pushing a film with bogus evidence, and lying.
That makes less sense than Ted Baxter's wardrobe.
But what else should we expect from Fox viewers. Fact free since 1996!
Randy
Exactly, the woman called the police after the encounter, so there is only one explanation, she was trying to cover tracks.
Well done, spoken like a true conspiracy nut.
Btw, don't you think these filmakers would have incriminating footage if she had cooperated?
I notice you did not answer jmille's question. Where is the video footage proving your point? (As if that is even needed!)
CNN has pointed out this inconsistency, and Beibart, the website hosting the videos, has complained about CNN. For CNN's part, they have continually requested an interview with O'Keefe, which he has turned down.
So now it is time for O'Keefe to put up or shut up, isn't it? He can give an interview and show the tape to show he didn't lie.
Guess why he didn't. He lied. Not once, but twice. And he put fourth a video that is outright wrong, unless you think Kaelke's husband is still dead.
What do you think about film makers that lie?
The police report was filed long, long before the videos came to light. So how could she have possibly known she was being duped and filmed?
The ACORN worker did not cooperate, as is being reported on CNN and I believe other news stations. O'Keefe refuses to return any calls from CNN.
Likewise reported on CNN, the film was edited, despite O'Keefe saying it wasn't. Last, O'Keefe pushed a film that showed Kaelke murdered her husband, when she didn't. That's 3 strikes for the film makers.
I can't wait to hear the explanation for that! Excellent point! :-)
That's not a defense. You proposed a scenario that could not be true. Again, this ACORN office did not cooperate. A police report was filed. The film makers lied.
And again, the police report shows that the ACORN employee did not cooperate. Posing a hypothetical does not solve your problem. The police report shows that this ACORN worker had a problem with O'Keefe. You don't file a report if you like someone.
You are suggesting what is the same as a conspiracy theory. If you believe any of your hypotethicals are true, then you must prove that. Otherwise, you place an illogical burden of proof, a burden no one could sustain.
1)came in @10 am on 7/24/09 verifed police report says complaint filed on Friday July 24 @1040 by Keith Crosby. contact ended @ 1105.
The police report was filed and the police characterized it as a verbal disturbance. The women says she talked with two people after the bogus couple left and one of the was Keith Crosby who along with her called
the police who arived on the day she said @ 1040am to take the complaint.
They gave the police report(easily verifiable for a news organization or anyone else)to CNN.
Don't you find this curious:
" The filmmakers, James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles are not commenting and Giles was a no-show for an agreed-to interview with CNN."
(from above article)
Exactly the question that right-wingers have a hard time accepting and the very reason why they collectively are doing their best to destroy ACORN because of what it does...
Being a non-profit entity that gets low-income people registered to vote and information on buying homes or other necessities of life that is hard to come by who are not politically connected.
Then we could see the Fox Special Report : Thuggish tactics of ACORN - Attacking innocent white people based on faulty evidence.
That just wouldn't be a good enough reason to oppose the actions and existence of ACORN, would it?
Oh yea. Now you have been caught twice.
This guy lets his hate get in the way of judgment. He also believes that ACORN received 8.5 billion. He spent months taping ACORN, and he couldn't check out a basic fact, but just rant with what he heard from right wing sources? Blinded by partisan hate.
I wonder if Nerdy the Pimp is a student there too, and this whole thing was his ACORNmania combined with wanting to get the girl in a ho costume.
You should do stand up comedy.
The prostitute is a student at Florida International University.
However, O'Keefe is too arrogant to cooperate. He thinks the Dems, congress, the main stream media are all enemies of America, and he shouldn't have to answer to them.
If congress jails O'Keefe for not cooperating, he becomes a martyr, and the ACORN story does not go away. So instead, they should hinge the investigation on O'Keefe's and Giles cooperation. If they don't fully cooperate and give all the details so we really know what happened, congress can rightly say they don't have enough evidence to investigate.
1) Irrespective his motive, O'Keefe exposed potential criminal conspiracy on the part of select ACORN offices.
2) No conspiracy actually occurred and the involved employees have been fired. ACORN can defend itself globally as it sees fit, but it dismisses nothing of intent to criminal conspiracy on the part of those involved and ACORN needs to do some housecleaning.
3) The manner in which this was conducted may have been illegal. Dist. Atty in each town of occurrence must decide whether or not to press charges on O'Keefe.
4) O'Keefe can either defend his statements as not being lies, or if he can't, we'll know how reliably to accept his tapes/statements (and potentially testimony).
5) Finally, O'Keefe should have to answer a few simple questions: If this about exposing ACORN as a criminal enterprise, why didn't you report the offending offices to proper authorities? Did you bother to check the legality of what you were doing before you did it? If not, why not and are you now willing to face the penalty if your conduct is found to have been illegal?
In the high probability the tapes were not doctored, can we expect ACORN to apologise to both film makers for doing the media failed to do? - oh, except of course for Fox News.
ACORN is being investigated in 14 states. Dozens of ACORN personnel have been fired or convicted of various criminal acts. Mr. Rathke embezzeled $948,000 from ACORN, but was never put in jail because of brother Wade Rathke (co-founder of ACORN)?
Realistically, ACORN will probably not issue an appology as they will no longer exist...Thank you Congress!
Liberals and Progressives need not to be silent about this. If the people on the left remain silent and do not fight back the right wing media will keep on attacking. We on the "left" must fight back gainst the Right wing attack machine.
So what do we have here: on one hand, an organization (ACORN) that makes the Mafia look like choirboys, and on the otherhand, two individuals who undertook a considerable amount of risk to blow the cover off.
Which one you side with tells me all I need to know about your character and worthiness as a human being.
In that particular article that was written about his Planned Parenthood sting, he goes on to state that conservative activists must be willing to use deceit and mockery to achieve their goals, because by doing so, you will win regardless of the outcome. In discussing this tactic, O'Keefe stated the following:
To me it seems very clear. It appears that he is advocating anything, as long as the initial target is brought down, and we are seeing this on Fox News. It was discovered that O'Keefe and Giles violated recording statutes with their videos, but Fox News is making them out to be the victims, asking which is worse, the couple of young journalists or the organization willing to aid and abet them.
These two "journalists" are nothing more then a couple of conservative activists creating their own media. Giles is a contributor to Townhall.com, where she had written an article describing Planned Parenthood as an organization that is responsible for the death of thousands of babies each day, and whose founder was a "racist" and "sex fiend", and that the organization promoted black genocide, which O'Keefe also states similarly in his New Guard article. And now real investigative journalism is shedding light on who these people really are, and to what extent they are willing to lie, but regardless, the damage is already is done, with the census bureau severing ties and recent legislation stopping funds.
The plot seems to be diluting. The damage is done, without hesitation, or sincere effort to fact find. Can we say, "bias?"
The right wing has committed numerous illegal acts, and got away with it, using the classic, excuses, stories, and lies. e.g. civil rights murder of Emmett Till, and author Harper Lee's, "To Kill a Mocking Bird," based on a true story, that depicts the trial of an innocent black man, accused of raping a white woman. There are more: I need not expand.
Do my examples parallel the ACORN scandal? Were it not for our modern reporting, moreover social consciousness, yes.
We, as a nation are still growing, and long to mature.
It be it,
Ronin Kannushi.
Let me remind you that there was a section of the Democratic Party in the South that were called Dixie-Crats that left the Democratic Party in the 60's after the passage of the civil rights act. They were recruited into the republican party in a strategy used by Richard Nixon and orchestrated by none other than Pat Buchanan called the Southern Strategy(look it up)using race as a wedge to bring in those opposed to integration and civil rights into the Republican Party. The Southern Strategy has been an integral part of Republican Party strategy the last 40yrs. Reagan and his affirmation and support of "states rights"--remember him kicking off his presidential bid in the southern city of Philadelphia,Mississippi---do you know what that city is famous for? It was where the 3 slain civil rights workers were found. His predecesor #41 George Herbert Walker Bush and the now infamous Willie Horton ads. The Southern strategy and the dixie-crats are now owned by YOUR party, but you can continue to point back to the 50's,I just gave you some recent history try and keep up!
Um...Where is the lie again? Were they "kicked out" of Philly or did the lady file a police report after they left.
So at least we have a right winger who has finally conceded the obvious. I'm not being sarcastic when I say that you deserve credit.
The other films, as far as we can tell, expose some ACORN workers willing to participate in criminal activities. However, no crime was committed. (Even if a crime were committed, you couldn't use the tapes because the setup was entrapment--but that's another issue.) ACORN has fired these employees, suspended their activities, and launched a re-training program.
It would be nice to get the full, unedited tapes, and to get the true story, but O'Keefe feels he is above accounting to anyone.
First, I agree it does not look good for ACORN.
However, I keep hearing the point that it can't be entrapment because it wasn't done by the police. I doubt that is true. Entrapment is a legal defense because it prevents you from committing a crime you would not normally have committed. In the last case the Supreme Court decided, it ruled that a man caught in a sting looking at child porn was not guilty because there was no previous record of doing so. Since the law deals with the alleged victim's intent on doing the crime he was caught in, I don't see how it would matter whether the police or others set up the sting.
I saw nothing on the wiki page that supports the contention that you can only use the entrapment defense against police. Of course, I'm not a lawyer.
stark, I want you to think, not your usual thinking, but really think about the Pandora's Box that sort of logic could lead to.
We have certain Constitutional rights to protect the average American from abuses of power by law enforcement.
Are you suggesting that the people entrusted to protect and serve as law enforcement government officials should be excused from obeying these guidelines if they can employ civilians who aren't held to the same standards?
Seriously, think about that.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment
a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Regardless of your feelings or opinions, this is the law. Entrapment does not apply if not committed by law enforcement officials. Otherwise, people arrested whilst buying drugs could claim the dealer entrapped them, or people downloading child pornography were entrapped by the website, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
As they are not law enforcement officials, "entrapment" doesn't apply.
Acorn did not send out a memo to it's other offices about this incident and to beware of this couple and to call the Police if approached.
Acorn will try to spin this one police report and use Sean Hannity's interview with o'Keefe and Giles to make them into liars. All evidence from the Police Report and Katherine Conway Russell, ACORN Housing Corp.'s Philadelphia office director, points to O'Keefe and Giles leaving peacefully and not beiing forced to leave as O'Keefe had stated to Sean Hannity "Nobody kicked us out". Police Report was made after the fact. Okeefe sould show the Video of Philedelphia.
Let's start with the video of Katherine Conway Russell, which is the only account from any ACORN eyewitness to the incident. Media Matters states that it "directly rebuts" the filmmakers claim that they were never "kicked out" for their attempt to get ACORN to "assist them in nefarious activities." It does NOTHING of the sort. Ms. Russell did not say she "kicked them out" because they asked for help with a prostitution ring. Rather, she says that she told she had to go to a meeting and could therefore not answer any additional questions. The issue of prostitution did not even come up. They asked one question about getting papers for some girls for El Salvador, and she said because they were a counseling agency they couldn't help with that. But she didn't "kick them out" because of that or any other question -- she simply didn't have the time to talk.
Media Matters cites the police report as evidence that Russell asked them to leave, and that she "called the police after the filmmakers asked suspicious questions." Another lie. Russell didn't call the police while they were there, and in fact didn't call the police at all. Rather, after they had already left, she called an ACORN official to ask why they had been referred to her office.
It was then that the ACORN official, Keith Crosby, first contacted the police. He filed a false police report, apparently claiming an emergency because the filmmakers were "causing a verbal disturbance with employees of ACORN." But Crosby knew that the filmmakers had already left -- and the report notes that the police advised him of this fact he obviously knew -- and Russell never asserted there was a "verbal disturbance" even when they were there.
So the filmmakers never lied about anything. Media Matters lied, and ACORN committed a crime by filing a false police report.
GILES: Also, about the whole kicking out, I mean, the women in Baltimore hugged me and -- when I left. And the women in D.C. -- I did follow-up phone calls, and they asked if I could come and meet them for coffee so we could further discuss how to make this possible.
SHAWN: So, at least in these first two tapes, they didn't kick you out, but you are saying that there were some that did refuse? James or Hannah?
GILES: Not -- no.
O'KEEFE: Say that again?
SHAWN: Were there some that refused your offers, that actually did not -- were not willing to cooperate?
O'KEEFE: In none of the facilities -- none of the facilities kicked us out. That's a lie.
Katherine Conway Russell did not kick them out, the police report does not show this, nor does Katherine say that she kicked them out. The Police report shows no further follow up, which is odd. If Katherine reported that this couple that approached her were tryin to smuggle in underage children for Prostitution the Police should haave been following up, for they had Peter O'Keefes name. Further more Acorn should have sent out a memo to watch out for this couple.
Katherine Conway Russell does deserve recognition though for turning them down, this is what should have happened at every Acorn Office.
Perhaps after awhile the ACORN staff figured it out, and made a report. However I suspect there will be video from Philly that will show cooperation. Even if just initially.
Before passing judgment. I know all you and the fringe media would love nothing more than to discredit James and Hannah, but the truth is, in all tapes released so far, the acorn workers were complicit.
Knowing acorns track record for character assassination and intimidation, I won't believe a word out of their mouths.
You guys can go on defending them all you want, they hung themselves. James and Hannah simply gave them a means to let the cat out of the bag so to speak.
I tried looking through all the comments to see if this was already brought up- so sorry if it was.
It is a little weird though that they would have his name on the report. I don't know if this is legit.
The employee said they looked suspicious and the police citation says that there was a verbal disturbance, which I would say, based on his personality, was O'Keefe trying to get her to talk to them after she already suspected something "odd" about them.
What cannot be proven is whether the employee saw through the scam, had just been a bit smarter than the others caught in the videos or actually believed them to be a threat to society. But given that she didn't report this as a pimp and prostitute looking for help smuggling El Salvadorian children for prostitution and with their tax evasion situation - only as a "verbal distrubance," I'm drawn to believe that she didn't have that information to report to police at the time. Because, really, why WOULDN'T she tell them that?
Perhaps the activists stretched the truth, no more than any politician does on any given day. They made people hear what they wanted to...but if you dice it up enough, it's true. They were not asked to leave based on the premise that ACORN would not help them.
However, Breitbart has not responded to your assertion yet. And, he has not released the video from the Philly encounter.
He is a shrewed individual who understands how to sensationalize a story.
Be careful. Those who think this police report is the golden ticket may end up with egg on their faces.
Leave out the part about glen becks statement on Acorn
I don’t know but we haven’t been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa’s husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he’s dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don’t know. Nobody is asking questions.
cut and splice what a bunch of hacks
Why is there no transcript of the Sand Diego video?
Why does Juan Carlos say "...they CAME from El Salvador..." TWICE. Not, 'they are coming from El Salvador?'
Why does Juan say he works with the Embassy?
Where is the backstory on this pimp that will bond with the girls?
Why would Juan Carlos say he works with the Prosecutors?
Why is the timestamp in the upper left corner different on the same video released on the Fox site?
Why is there a timestamp on some parts of the video and not on others?
Why, if the August 2005 date on the video is the default date and was never changed, do we have a date of 7-22-05 on some other videos?
Why did Juan Carlos seemed surprised when he asked "the border"? This whole fairy tale is supposed to be about bringing girls across the border.
Way too many questions and a terrible editing job by the pimp.
Innocent until proven guilty.
We have already established that O'Keefe and Giles have lied and are willing to do anything to destroy this country.
Could someone show me links to when any ACORN member engaged in any illegal activity? The videos never show ACORN engaging in any illegal activity only talking about illegal activity. If talking about illegal activities is a crime why aren't the film makers in jail? The film makers are the ones admitting to wanting to open up a prostitution house and engage in child trafficking.