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New low: Beck and right-wing media minions fearmongering about kids to attack progressives

September 24, 2009 4:20 pm ET — 150 Comments

Glenn Beck and other right-wing media figures have recently fearmongered about how President Obama and progressive policies will harm children; among other things, Beck and these other media figures have repeatedly accused Obama of "indoctrinating" school children, aired unauthorized videos of children singing Obama's praises, and attacked Obama's "school saftey czar." On his September 25 television show, Beck plans to continue the trend by hosting 9-12 Project mothers, along with their children, who are "concerned" about "their kids' futures."

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Beck invites 9-12 Project "moms" who are "worried about their kids' futures" to his show

Beck plans to "bring in moms and their kids to see what they're worried are about." On his Fox News show, Beck has repeatedly teased plans to "bring in moms and their kids to see what they're worried about" for his September 25 broadcast, claiming he has "noticed that more and more women are calling into my radio program," and that "[i]t's moms that are concerned into their kids' futures." Beck detailed: "Moms -- they're joining the 9/12 Project. So this Friday, I thought we'll have a studio audience. We'll bring in moms and their kids to see what they're worried are about."

Beck started 9-12 Project, whose members helped to organize 9-12 protests. On March 13, Beck announced the launch of his 9-12 Project, whose members helped organize and turn out participants to the 9-12 "March on Washington," which was heavily promoted by Fox News.

Conservative media fearmonger about unauthorized YouTube video of school kids "praising" Obama

The Drudge Report: "SHOCK VIDEO: School kids taught to praise Obama ..." On September 23, Internet gossip Matt Drudge linked to a YouTube video purportedly showing "[s]chool kids taught to praise Obama." The video, showing young schoolchildren in New Jersey singing a song about Obama, provides no evidence that the children or their parents consented to having the video posted on YouTube.

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America's Newsroom: "Many parents ... just don't want this sort of political cheerleading, if you will, in the classroom." On Fox News' America's Newsroom, hosts Bill Hemmer and Megyn Kelly aired the video and asserted that "many parents" don't want kids "singing praises" to Obama. Before showing the video, Hemmer said: "It is one thing to have kids say the Pledge of Allegiance, but we're not sure what's going on with the videotape now online when students are singing praises to the president and why some parents are saying, not with my kid." Later, Kelly teased the video by saying, it's "getting attention on The Drudge Report website this morning. It shows young children singing the praises, quite literally, of the president." She continued:

KELLY: Well, information posted with the clip says that it is from the Bernice Young School in Burlington Township, New Jersey, but the school won't exactly confirm that for us. In fact, they won't confirm anything for us. We have made multiple attempts to ask them about these students, about this tape and how this came about. We are hoping that they can get back to us shortly, so that we can clear this up.

Already we're getting a lot of emails from our viewers. It went on from there -- you saw a clip of the children singing. Then came a bit of a chant by the children where they praised President Obama for all his great accomplishments, saying, quote, "You're number one. Hooray, Mr. President, we're really proud of you." And on and on it goes.

You know, many would have no problem with this. Many parents would, and just don't want this sort of political cheerleading, if you will, in the classroom. We just don't know the details behind the tape, but it certainly caught our attention and we're trying to find out from, again, from this school, which we have multiple calls into. The B. Bernice Young Elementary School, Bernice Young Elementary School in Burlington, New Jersey. And as soon as we have it, you'll have it. [America's Newsroom, 9/24/09]

The Fox Nation: "School Children Sing Songs of Obama's Glory." On September 25, the allegedly fair and balanced TheFoxNation.com posted the video with the headline "School Children Sing Songs of Obama's Glory."

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Beck: Song sounds like "a hymnal for a dictator." On the September 24 edition of his radio show, Beck said: "I want to show you, and tonight I'm going to play the tape for you, of indoctrination that is going on. We've been going through all of this indoctrination for the last few days. Tomorrow, I do a full hour live with moms, and their children, and we're going to talk a little bit about things they're concerned with -- and indoctrination I know will come up. Play this, this is -- do we know where this is from? Elementary School in Burlington, New Jersey. The B. Bernice Young Elementary School. The woman who did this is, I believe, an activist, she's the principal, or the teacher. I don't have her name here. But listen to -- this is -- these are elementary school children, and they are singing a song for Barack Obama." After Beck played audio of the video and read the words out loud, he said it sounded like "a hymnal for a dictator. ... Does anybody see what's going on? Does anybody see what's going on?" Later, Beck said: "This is indoctrination. This should horrify the American people." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Show, 9/25/09]

Beck also promoted the video September 24 on his Twitter feed: RT @keepthemhonest: How young does Obama target (more indoctrination video) http://is.gd/3C1Qc @glennbeck #tcot

Burlington Township School District superintendent: Song is from Black History Month activity, and the "recording and distribution of the classroom activity was unauthorized." The school board's superintendent wrote in a letter to parents that "[t]he video is of a class of students singing a song about President Obama. The activity took place during Black History Month in 2009, which is recognized each February to honor the contributions of African Americans to our country. Our curriculum studies, honors and recognizes those who serve our country. The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized."

Fox & Friends continues Beck-engineered "czar" witch hunt with new attack on "school safety czar"

Fox & Friends on "school safety czar": "Given his past, is he the guy for the job?" On Fox News' Fox & Friends, hosts Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade, and guest host Alisyn Camerota targeted Kevin Jennings, Obama's purported "school safety czar," following weeks of Fox News' witch hunt against Obama administration "czars." After Doocy stated that "there are some who are questioning whether or not this is a guy who should have a job given his history," Camerota noted that he "wrote a memoir in which he talked about his own past drug use," but "doesn't really disavow it." Kilmeade also said that Jennings is a "[f]ormer schoolteacher who has promoted homosexuality in schools. Also, he has a -- he details a report on how he did not report an incident with an underage student who had sex with an older man, and also has expressed contempt for religion. So, as you expand the resume, it might not be the perfect candidate."

From the September 24 edition of Fox & Friends:

DOOCY: We've been talking here at Fox because nobody else is talking about -- who exactly are these czars who have been appointed by the president to various high jobs. Let's take a look at a fellow named Kevin Jenkins, he is the president's --

KILMEADE: Jennings.

DOOCY: Jennings, that is to say. The president's director of the Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools. And there are some who are questioning whether or not this is a guy who should have the job given his history.

CAMEROTA: Right. He wrote a memoir in which he talked about his own past drug use. Now, I think there are two sides to this point -- if somebody has had experience with drugs, I think that perhaps they are very qualified to then talk about the perils of it. The downside, of course, is if they somehow glorify it or romanticize it, and in his memoir he doesn't really disavow it. He talks about how, you know, you can go to the airport when you are really stoned and watch the planes take off, and it's really quite fascinating when you are drunk and stoned. So, he is not telling -- he is not talking about the potholes associated with this.

DOOCY: Right. But -- and you point out his memoir. I think the memoir came out in 2007, so it's a relatively recent recounting of his life growing up as a young man in Hawaii doing a lot of drugs. Suddenly that sounds like another memoir. But nonetheless, he expressed no regret. And so people are going, "Well, he had the chance two years ago to regret -- to put that down on paper." But he did not.

KILMEADE: And the safe school czar position was actually from George Bush's administration in 2002. President Bush said we need something like this. But maybe this wasn't the job -- this wasn't the resume he thought he'd get: Former schoolteacher who has promoted homosexuality in schools. Also, he has a -- he details a report on how he did not report an incident with an underage student who had sex with an older man, and also has expressed contempt for religion. So, as you expand the resume, it might not be the perfect candidate.

CAMEROTA: Yeah, the reason he was chosen was because he has a longtime record of working to end bullying and discrimination against gay students. He had that credential.

KILMEADE: So he's against bullying? That's good.

DOOCY: And apparently he's been very successful at that, but only half the job revolves around that; the other half is about usage of drugs in school. And given his past, is he the guy for the job? Of course, there was no Senate vetting. He didn't go through the Senate meat grinder. So we haven't heard him actually testify about his past.

Beck led the way on Fox News' witch hunt for Obama's "czars." Fox News personalities have led the charge against the Obama administration's advisers, including Van Jones, John Holdren, Cass Sunstein, and other officials and nominees it has described as "czars" -- often by unearthing and criticizing statements the officials had made in the past rather than critiquing their job performance or credentials for those positions. Sean Hannity, for example, declared that "my job starting tomorrow night is to get rid of every other ['czar']." Beck has been widely credited for the resignation of Jones as "green jobs czar," and on September 3, Beck urged "watchdogs" through his Twitter feed to "find everything you can on Cass Sunstein, Mark Lloyd, and Carol Browner. Do not link before burning to disc." Beck has also attacked FCC "diversity czar" Mark Lloyd.

Conservative media freaked out over Obama back-to-school speech, accused him of "indoctrinating" kids

Conservative media: Obama "indoctrinating" kids. Numerous conservative media figures -- including Hannity, Beck, and CNN host Lou Dobbs -- baselessly accused Obama of trying to "indoctrinate" America's children with his September 8 back-to-school speech encouraging students to succeed and persist in their studies. Hannity claimed that "it seems very close to indoctrination," while Fox News commentator Monica Crowley said "just when you think this administration can't get any more surreal and Orwellian, here they come to indoctrinate our kids"; similarly, Michelle Malkin claimed that "the left has always used kids in public schools as guinea pigs and as junior lobbyists for their social liberal agenda." Discussing a bas-relief supposedly representing Benito Mussolini, Beck said: "Gee, who is having indoctrination next week? Oh, yeah, that's right, the president, completely unrelated." Dobbs also said on his radio show that Obama was "trying to indoctrinate our kids."

Conservatives also claim "brainwashing," invoke communist China, Hitler Youth. Numerous conservatives -- including Fox News commentator Michelle Malkin and WorldNetDaily.com -- claimed that Obama's speech about "persisting and succeeding in school," along with classroom activities about the "importance of education," will "indoctrinate" and "brainwash" schoolchildren. Conservatives have compared Obama's address to Chinese communism and the Hitler Youth, while also calling for parents to "keep your kids home" from the "fascist in chief." On his September 2 radio show, Beck said that he planned to air "a special one-hour broadcast next Tuesday on television on the indoctrination of your children," explaining that he decided to air "it on that Tuesday because of Barack Obama speaking [to students] on that Tuesday."

Transcripts:

From the September 21 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

BECK: On Friday, we're planning another special show. I have been saying it for a while now that I have noticed that more and more women are calling into my radio program. It's moms that are concerned about their kids' futures. They sense it in their gut.

Moms -- they're joining the 9-12 Project. So this Friday, I thought we'll have a studio audience. We'll bring in moms and their kids to see what they're worried about. Don't miss it.

From the September 22 edition of Glenn Beck:

BECK: You know, the media is trying to paint people who go to the tea parties and 9-12 events as terrorists or angry white men or whatever. I have noticed on my radio show for a very, very long time that it's more and more it is women, women calling the radio program, moms concerned about their kids' futures. Well, moms are going to join the 9-12 project this Friday with a studio audience. All moms and their kids. What are they worried about? Why are they going out of their house to stand with a sign?

From the September 23 edition of Glenn Beck:

BECK: This Friday, we're also planning a very special show, 9-12ers, except these ones are all moms. What are moms worried about? Why would moms get so angry that they would join together and stand in crowds?

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    • Author by mk3872 (September 24, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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      How DARE those communist nazi kids sing a song about our country's president! I want my country back!
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      • Author by raine315 (September 24, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
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        This is NO joking matter!
        As I think back to my 3rd teacher back in 19ohnevermind I think she was ACORN!!! Yep she made us plant a little community garden and taught us about recycling before it was popular. And she also brainwashed us into respecting President Jimmy Carter and to respect fellow students.

        Yep she was an ACORN alright
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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (September 24, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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          Yes,
          This is a very familiar story, which I've heard many times from residents of: New Jersey.
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      • Author by DixieChyc (September 26, 2009 10:51 am ET)
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        -those communist nazi kids-
        Mr. Beck never came close to insinuating that the kids were Nazis - but of course you know that his point was to make a correlation with what Hitler or other adults did to the children of Germany when they systematically divided Germany and turned a portion of the German people against another segment of the population. Deny it or not, but that is exactly what Hitler did during the Holocaust. In addition, it is not the right of our govt run schools to indoctrinate children towards any particular president or his/her politics. Too instill a love for and allegiance to their country is a different story. Parents should be able to send their children off to school without worrying about whether or not their teachers or other school officials are pushing their own agenda on impressionable minds. This includes, in my opinion, sending adult children off to govt run institutions of higher learning. The school official responsible for this should be reprimanded & reminded to keep her politics to herself.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 26, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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          And whom do you believe this song is turning these kids against? The racists? Follow your thought through to the end. The kids singing about Obama and equality is turning them against whom.....?
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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (September 24, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
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      Well,
      It's clear to me what's happening.

      Most people don't know this but ACORN has heavily infiltrated New Jersey schools and, in fact, ACORN has prepared a textbook for this year's curriculum in which prostitutes are praised and encouraged to apply for free housing.

      Conservatives in Jersey are absolutely outraged.
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      • Author by worrierking (September 24, 2009 5:03 pm ET)
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        Hold on there LCO.

        Just last week I was lead to believe that my neighbors here in New Jersey believed that Obama could be the anti-Christ and now you're telling me that ACORN has infiltrated our schools.

        Could both be true? I'm so confused. I think I need another month in the FEMA Camp

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    • Author by johngalt1999 (September 24, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
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      why didn't they sing a song about Bush?
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (September 26, 2009 2:36 am ET)
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        why didn't they sing a song about Bush?


        Sing a song about Bush during Black History month?

        WHAT in the world would they say?
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        • Author by bingo595 (September 26, 2009 9:18 am ET)
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          If you think this was done during black history month then you are living in a different world. Count your months he has been in office and when this video was taken.
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        • Author by DixieChyc (September 26, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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          Using your way of thinking, I guess we must establish a White History Month in order for a teacher to instruct his or her class to sing a song about a white president? LOL! Ok, I choose October. Here is the first song for a white president during White History Month:
          Glory, glory Mr. Reagan.
          Glory, glory Mr. Reagan.
          Glory, Glory Mr. Reagan.
          Your truth still marches on!
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 26, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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            Oh, now I see. You have no concept of your country's own history. Now, your silly assertions make more sense. What you clearly do not understand is that EVERY other month is white history month.

            I happened to be in school when Reagan was president. And we commonly had activities and discussions in class showing respect for our president. We even all even made him cards and wrote him letters a few times (once after the Challenger tragedy I remember vividly). Yet, somehow I was still able to grow up and understand that Reagan was a disaster as a president while still respecting the office of the presidency.

            If your kids are unable to do the same, then the fault lies with YOU. Do not blame your school. Schools are always going to have respect for the system built into them, that is how nationalized education works. Always has, always will. Teach your children skepticism at home, where it belongs. If you are unable to do that, the fault is YOURS.
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          • Author by Brabantio (September 27, 2009 12:24 am ET)
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            Would there be something remarkable about the election of a white person as President? Something new or unusual, even? No, not at all. It's what we've always had, so the attempt to flip it around fails miserably. This is the same sort of logic as "But if you substitute 'white' for 'black', 'white power' would be racist, so 'black power' is racist!". The dynamics regarding the two races are not the same, therefore you can't treat them as if they were.

            Like it or not, the election of a black man is a big deal, regardless of party. If it was Colin Powell I would expect to see the same sort of thing, and I would also expect that conservatives would understand the relevance of Black History Month to that quite easily.
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            • Author by DixieChyc (September 27, 2009 9:33 am ET)
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              -Like it or not, the election of a black man is a big deal-

              I agree; and I thank you for your thoughtful response. Correct me if I am wrong, but there was a big deal made over the first black (half white) person becoming the POTUS. All across the country and the world. I watched the historical inauguration live and shed tears of joy at how far we have come as a country. But that does not mean I agree with President Obamas political actions or goals. Nor would I want my child being instructed in a public school using the melodies of Christian hymns to sing praises to him or any president. My little ditty was sarcasm, my friend. Also, I do not agree with esteeming a particular race or culture to the exclusion of others: Black History Month, Hispanic History Month, Asian History Month, Affirmative Action, Black/Hispanic Beauty Pageants, La'Raza, New Black Panthers, the magazine Black Women Today, and McDonalds 365black.com to name a few. Are the above-mentioned willing to accept the same exclusion from white organizations, magazines and so-forth? That is not the case. I, like MLK, dream of the day where a person is judged not on the color of their skin, but on their substance as a person. And that is how I look at the current POTUS - his substance not his color. My grandson is half black and half white (on the white side he is descended from two Civil War soldiers – one was a Union soldier who was severely injured outside of Richmond and the other a Confederate surgeon who contracted malaria while a POW at Vicksburg). We teach the young man to love, appreciate, and admire all of his heritage. He will not grow up hating his enslaved ancestors, nor does he hang his head in shame when he sees the Confederate flag hanging next to Old Glory on my front porch! Well, I threw it out there for you - I pretty much expect the claims of racist to be forthcoming from some of the posters here.
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              • Author by Brabantio (September 27, 2009 9:54 am ET)
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                But that does not mean I agree with President Obamas political actions or goals.
                Who said anything about that?
                Also, I do not agree with esteeming a particular race or culture to the exclusion of others: Black History Month, Hispanic History Month, Asian History Month, Affirmative Action, Black/Hispanic Beauty Pageants, La'Raza, New Black Panthers, the magazine Black Women Today, and McDonalds 365black.com to name a few. Are the above-mentioned willing to accept the same exclusion from white organizations, magazines and so-forth?
                As I said already, the dynamics between the races are not the same, so you can't treat them as if they are. There is such a thing as institutional racism. That doesn't go against white people. So there's really no purpose in "White History Month" or "White Women Today" magazine except to exclude other races, while for minorities there's a genuine purpose in developing a sense of community and working towards a common goal. That's not against white people, it's for the minority group. The latter does not imply the former.

                You can dream of true equality all you like, but in the meantime it's just a dream. We have to deal with the reality of the situation in the here and now, not pretend that it doesn't exist because we "dream" of a better situation in the future. MLK would surely agree, and if you do some research about his views on affirmative action you'll see that.
                He will not grow up hating his enslaved ancestors, nor does he hang his head in shame when he sees the Confederate flag hanging next to Old Glory on my front porch!
                I wouldn't expect him to hang his head in shame, because a child's mind adjusts to the reality that the adults in their life present to them. If you were to teach him that beating dogs is fun for the whole family, he'd probably buy that until he could be convinced otherwise by outsiders. That doesn't make the use of that symbol any less racist. If you're not a racist, then you might want to consider what the South was fighting for and how people would treat your grandson if slavery still existed.
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                • Author by DixieChyc (September 27, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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                  You wrote
                  -That doesn't make the use of that symbol any less racist.-

                  And I would argue that the flag is not a racist symbol. To some it is a symbol of heritage, of ancestral connection. The fact is, slavery existed under the American flag far longer than it did under the Confederate flag (with New York being one of the colonies with the largest concentration of slaves). Yet, it is only the South and the Confederate flag that is degraded for slavery. And really, is it fair that we who live in the 21st Century judge those who lived 100 or 200 years ago as barbarians. The people alive then (our ancestors) lived according to the knowledge & the culture they born into. Thank God we have evolved over time.

                  You wrote
                  -If you're not a racist, then you might want to consider what the South was fighting for and how people would treat your grandson if slavery still existed.-

                  Believe me, as a historian who specializes in Civil War era history, I know that the Confederacy fought for much more than the institution of slavery. There were many Confederates, including General Lee himself, who were against slavery, but they fought for their homeland, the South. They didn’t necessarily want a Federal govt running their lives. They felt that they were defending their turf, so to speak. I know full well that my grandson would have been treated as property & I would likely (knowing me) have struggled with the decision to fight for my state in spite of hating the horrible institution of slavery. Maybe I would have ended up like one woman I read about who was a Confederate nurse who was loyal to the cause except for one thing: she worked with the Underground Railroad!

                  And if you want to know why I am saddened to the core about modern-day claims of racism & the continual bashing of our ancestors, it is because it seems that 21st Century has forgotten the horrific deaths of over 700,000 Americans during the Civil War (Union, Confederate, and black). Their blood, which soaked the soil where slaves once toiled, settled it. And if not, what did they all die for?
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                  • Author by Brabantio (September 27, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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                    The fact is, slavery existed under the American flag far longer than it did under the Confederate flag (with New York being one of the colonies with the largest concentration of slaves)
                    Because the South isn't the only place that practiced slavery, the symbol of those that sought to tear the country in half fighting for slavery isn't supposed to be viewed as racist? The rest of the country woke up and tried to move away from slavery, the Confederacy did not.
                    There were many Confederates, including General Lee himself, who were against slavery, but they fought for their homeland, the South. They didn’t necessarily want a Federal govt running their lives.
                    What great injustice was being thrust upon the South, exactly? Or is it just "I personally oppose slavery, but the government can't tell us not to own slaves"?
                    Their blood, which soaked the soil where slaves once toiled, settled it. And if not, what did they all die for?
                    They died over the South's attempt to secede, which was primarily driven by the racism of slavery. The fact that people died doesn't make it a worthy cause anymore than the death of German soldiers made Hitler's march through Europe respectable. Either it was a good idea or it wasn't. If you really feel that your personal connection to your heritage is worth keeping these old wounds open, then those are your priorities in action. My respect for black people would inspire me to ditch the flag for their sake.

                    I think if you raise a black child to respect what it almost universally considered to be a symbol of racism, that's going to be a confusing issue. Without some solid justification for why everyone should forget about the racist roots of the war, that seems wrong.
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                    • Author by Brabantio (September 27, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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                      Let me add on to that.
                      To some it is a symbol of heritage, of ancestral connection.
                      By the same logic of "slavery existed under the American flag", didn't your ancestral line also exist under the American flag previously to the Confederacy? Why is a symbol that is tied to the short time period of the war necessary to pay respect to the much broader concept of heritage?
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                      • Author by DixieChyc (September 27, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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                        -Why is a symbol that is tied to the short time period of the war necessary to pay respect to the much broader concept of heritage?-

                        I have done an extensive genealogy on my family, & my heritage spans the continents, as does many who call themselves Americans. In fact, I am working on the French side of the family as we speak. As you say, the Confederacy was short lived, but it existed nonetheless & it is a part of the heritage of many Americans. If others choose to denigrate their own heritage, that is their choice.
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                    • Author by DixieChyc (September 27, 2009 12:31 pm ET)
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                      You wrote:
                      -the death of German soldiers did not make Hitler's march through Europe respectable. Either it was a good idea or it wasn't.-

                      That is a good point and hard to argue with.

                      You also wrote:
                      -If you really feel that your personal connection to your heritage is worth keeping these old wounds open, then those are your priorities in action.-

                      For the most part, I choose my battles. I cannot shake my personal connection to my Confederate heritage no more than black Americans who feel a connection to their African heritage can ditch theirs, which you must admit had its own mix of barbarism, slavery & other not-so-honorable practices.

                      Also:
                      -My respect for black people would inspire me to ditch the flag for their sake.-
                      My respect for black people is in no way lessened by my Confederate flag. I would say that a black person who honors his African heritage (regardless of the mix of that history) should respect my right to honor my heritage - the good, the bad & the ugly. Thanks for the dialog. You have made some very good points for me to ponder. :)
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                      • Author by Brabantio (September 27, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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                        I cannot shake my personal connection to my Confederate heritage no more than black Americans who feel a connection to their African heritage can ditch theirs, which you must admit had its own mix of barbarism, slavery & other not-so-honorable practices.
                        I'm not sure who's supposed to be offended by someone respecting African heritage, though. It's not like the underlying principle of establishing the continent was the desire to practice cannibalism or something.
                        Thanks for the dialog. You have made some very good points for me to ponder
                        Thanks!
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    • Author by Victor Colorado (September 24, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
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      Everything this guy does is in defense of "white culture", which he doesn't even have the guts to define.
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      • Author by MidWestThnkr (September 24, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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        Basically - find brown, black and yellow skinned people - then kill or enslave them and take their land and stuff. Or force them into Christianity (see: enslave, take stuff).

        Man, he's really missing the good ol' days.
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      • Author by baba19 (September 24, 2009 7:46 pm ET)
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        $10 says his panel of concerned mothers and children are all white.
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      • Author by Libertarian01 (September 24, 2009 8:25 pm ET)
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        Wow that is really racist! Beck talks about being responsible for yourself and not relying on the government for all your economic needs. So you think only white people can be responsible for themselves and minorities must be incapable? Beck expects that people of all races are intelligent enough to do so. Obviously you don't.
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        • Author by NewBee (September 25, 2009 11:20 pm ET)
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          So you think only white people can be responsible for themselves and minorities must be incapable?
          So you think a straw man argument will get you far?
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        • Author by Brabantio (September 27, 2009 12:37 am ET)
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          What the hell are you talking about? Beck used the phrase "white culture", then didn't know how to define the term. I have no idea what your post is supposed to have to do with that.

          Besides, your argument is as beaten-down as anything ever posted here. Recognizing institutional racism does not assert that black people are incapable or stupid. On the contrary, since there is such racism, then it is the government's duty to try to level the playing field, since all citizens are equal and should be treated that way.
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    • Author by wzwriter (September 24, 2009 5:12 pm ET)
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      Any parent who watches or listens to Glenn beck should be charged with child abuse and their kids should be placed in foster care.
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      • Author by raine315 (September 24, 2009 5:14 pm ET)
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        its mental abuse.
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      • Author by sambo (September 24, 2009 6:13 pm ET)
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        WZ You've got that right, only ignorant people and rightwing troublemakers watch that scumbag. most of the posters i'm fixing to hear from will claim to have good sense,then turn right around,and let their children watch it
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      • Author by Libertarian01 (September 24, 2009 8:10 pm ET)
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        wzwriter: I am a highly educated former high school valedictorian and gifted student who was born into a lower middle class family with one of my parents a minority. I was raised in an economically (not socially) extremely conservative family. I covered my own college and graduate school tuition. My parents did not pay for it. I listen to Glenn Beck and unlike you am intelligent enough to realize that A LOT of what he says is sarcasm. I listen to him because he espouses Libertarian views. As I learned in life, the most successful people are those who are smart, innovative, and work really hard. (Those who inherit massive wealth are very few and not necessarily successful.) Unless you have a severe physical or mental disability (drug addict does not qualify), then you should get off your lazy behind, make only good decisions, pay attention and work hard in school, and then get a job in a needed sector (a couple of examples: engineering, nursing.) That's exactly what I did. I've never smoked, never done drugs, and never put my hand out for assistance. You shouldn't expect your neighbor to pay for your healthcare, your mortgage, your groceries, or your children you can't afford to have. Those who do b/c of their bad decisions/choices or laziness are pathetic. I went to a rural public school that wasn't that great and made it to the upper class with ease. If I was able to, then there is no excuse for anyone else. I don't need to listen to Obama talk about "wealth distribution." To me, this is what Beck stands for at the core. I don't agree with everything he says, but I agree with him that people need to stop putting their hands out and start getting it done themselves. I teach my children that everyday. They are responsible for themselves and no one else, but that they should be kind and helpful to other because it is the right thing to do. I volunteer and donate to charities b/c I choose to, not because Obama says I should. The idea of someone teaching my kids that he is the next coming of Christ when he believes in the redistribution of wealth and insane out of control spending is unacceptable. Would you have been okay with a teacher teaching your your kids the same song, except with replacing Obama with Bush? BTW--I didn't like Bush either...he spent too much money!
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        • Author by greymatter (September 25, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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          You listen to Glenn Beck "because he espouses Libertarian views"? No he does not.

          Perhaps you simply don't understand Libertarian views.

          The "Libertarian view" on religion is that there should be a clear separation of church and state. Beck claims that "The words contained in our Constitution, while written by our founding fathers, came directly from God". He does not support separation of church and state, he endorses Christian dominance in the US government.

          The "Libertarian view" on prohibition (including alcohol and drugs) is that there should be none. Beck frequently speaks out against marijuana users and ridicules those that want to legalize it.

          The "Libertarian view" on same sex relationships is that the rights of the individual in relation to marriage, child custody, adoption, military service, etc should in way be infringed ever. Not even for same sex couples. Beck views same sex couples as an "abomination" and criticizes any policy which grants same sex couples (or homosexuals in general) any "equal" rights.

          The "Libertarian view" on abortion is that it should be strictly a woman's choice, and between her and her doctor. There should be no federal laws supporting, nor forbidding it. Beck calls abortion "murder" and is totally opposed to it.

          Glenn Beck most certainly does not espouse Libertarian views. And if you think he does, then you clearly do not understand what Libertarian views actually are. There's much, much, much more to Libertarian views than just a rejection of paying taxes.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 26, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
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            Excellent points. I appreciate you taking the time to explain libertarian to those who clearly misunderstand it. However, much like socialism and fascism, there are many simple concepts that the minds of Glenn Beck and his followers will never comprehend because they do not want to. It makes a better story if you can play dumb and see conspiracies against you in every decision the government makes and in every piece of artwork every commissioned.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 26, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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          "wzwriter: I am a highly educated former high school valedictorian and gifted student" - libertarian

          Really? Really?? And no one ever taught you how to use paragraphs? What high school was this?
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          • Author by Brabantio (September 27, 2009 12:47 am ET)
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            I believe "highly educated" should be hyphenated, also. I may be wrong, but it seems off to me. More importantly, the entire phrase is redundant. What gifted student would actually think that it would be necessary to say "highly educated" in the same sentence with "valedictorian and gifted student"?
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          • Author by sambo (September 27, 2009 4:56 am ET)
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            Thanx Mike.. I'm always a little leery of people that tell us how intelligent they are
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          • Author by sambo (September 27, 2009 4:57 am ET)
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            Thanx Mike.. I'm always a little leery of people that tell us how intelligent they are
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (September 26, 2009 9:12 pm ET)
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          I am a highly educated former high school valedictorian and gifted student who was born into a lower middle class family with one of my parents a minority

          Sounds like the beginning of a bad Dear Penthouse letter.

          Those who do b/c of their bad decisions/choices or laziness are pathetic.

          Followed by:

          I teach my children that everyday. They are responsible for themselves and no one else, but that they should be kind and helpful to other because it is the right thing to do.

          So you're teaching your kids to be nice to the pathetic lazy people?

          And, apparently, your valedictorian education skipped over the part about including paragraphs for clarity/readability.
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        • Author by Brabantio (September 27, 2009 2:24 am ET)
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          Unless you have a severe physical or mental disability (drug addict does not qualify), then you should get off your lazy behind, make only good decisions, pay attention and work hard in school, and then get a job in a needed sector (a couple of examples: engineering, nursing.)
          The "make only good decisions" bit is pretty funny. Anybody who claims to do that is lying. It's a ridiculous standard, in any event.

          You're talking about Social Darwinism here. If this construct existed where people all start off in the same place and can be expected to compete on the same level, and where everyone could even be employed if they really wanted to, then you would have a point. But that's not quite the case. Even the standard of what constitutes a "good decision" is meaningless. Let's take people living in Michigan as an example. The unemployment rate there is 18%. Are 18% of people there just lazy and/or stupid? Doubtful, because it's not like the percentage of such people would skyrocket within the last few years. Did these people suddenly become lazy? No, it's just economics. And it's not like people who were born and raised in that state and studied for careers that at the time were in a "needed sector" are guilty of making bad decisions.

          Let's examine your belief system here. Let's say someone did everything they were supposed to, then they get fired from their engineering job because of circumstances completely beyond their control, then they get diagnosed with heart disease. Does that person die because they lost their insurance along with their job? If private charity can't cough up money for that person, what do you think should happen? How about someone like my father who had a Master's degree and a stellar work record but got fired because he had a heart attack and the company didn't want to pay for his health care any longer?

          There is no established system of justice for these things. Simply put, $#!+ happens. The world is not a idealistic meritocracy where those who try succeed and those who do not fail. What's more, the system doesn't accommodate everyone no matter what. If there's X percentage of low-paying jobs, then X percentage of people will fill them regardless of personal aptitude or behavior. Likewise, if unemployment is at Y percent, then Y percentage of people will have no job regardless of personal history or ability. This is true even if everyone is a hardworking genius. The person who has an IQ of 143 instead of 145 or is slightly less attractive or funny or who doesn't have quite the same connections, etc. is going to be sweeping floors or in need of government assistance.

          On that note, the idea that the most successful people are the ones who work hard and study is pretty naive. It's true for some people, but then there are many people who simply kiss up or have connections, or who have a "killer business instinct" which basically means a lack of conscience. For instance, my father wasn't the boss, even though he was incredibly intelligent and a fantastic worker. No, that job went to the person who didn't have a problem firing great employees in the eternal quest to gain short-term profits. As another example, I worked at a small company where I was known for being thorough and precise in the great number of orders that I set up for delivery, yet when a job was established to be in charge of that very task, it went to someone who had pulled exactly one order and who had not been there nearly as long as I had. The reason? That guy was a friend of the owner's favorite employee. I was not. This sort of thing is not uncommon by any stretch of the imagination. Ask any number of people if they've had a boss that wasn't as smart/knowledgeable/hardworking as they were, and you'll get an affirmative response with alarming frequency.

          Also, it's short-sighted and dangerous to dismiss the societal worth of a large number of people. Think about the phrase "let them eat cake" and see if that leads you on a line of thought in the direction of this point. And yes, I know that phrase was attributed to Marie Antoinette, but the sentiment is relevant to historical events. Even if talking about people who have actually made poor decisions, it's incredibly unwise to put them in a situation where they have nothing to lose, and that's exactly what you do when you condemn "redistribution of wealth" or people putting their hands out for help from the government. You can advocate charity all you like, but that's basically an honor system with people's lives hanging in the balance.

          The concept of reasonable consequences is also something to consider here. If you establish a bottom level of poverty, that's not exactly a dream life. It's not something to aspire to, while it's a situation where the person has a chance to better themselves. But without a social safety net, you increase the risk of homelessness exponentially, and that's much more difficult to reverse. Even if you could establish who deserves success and who doesn't, the consequences should be limited.

          So your "I did it so everyone can do it" speech is simplistic in the extreme. It ignores many factors involved and unfairly lumps the unfortunate with the "pathetic" people who make bad decisions.

          But what really destroys your post more than anything is one simple and obvious self-contradiction.
          I am a highly educated former high school valedictorian and gifted student who was born into a lower middle class family with one of my parents a minority.
          I went to a rural public school that wasn't that great and made it to the upper class with ease. If I was able to, then there is no excuse for anyone else.
          The idea that any intelligent person could recognize their own "gifted" nature and then say that "If I was able to...there is no excuse for anyone else" is completely absurd. The very concept of "gifted" is that you're naturally at an advantage over others, so you can't possibly set yourself up as some low bar that you know everyone else can clear.
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    • Author by michaelkconnolly (September 24, 2009 5:23 pm ET)
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      ...and I should let Beck teach my children to hate the president and anyone who's not lily white and looks just like them? Well golly, sure! Sign me up! (Sarcasm intended for those who don't get it)
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      • Author by mack65 (September 25, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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        Yeah, and I'll tell my children to hate the half of them that is white (sarcasm). Until we can get off the race issue, we will never be a United people.
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    • Author by eb (September 24, 2009 5:28 pm ET)
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      I wonder if from now on, any school sponsored patriotism will be considered indoctrination. Or is this just for non-conservative presidents.

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      • Author by snoopy (September 24, 2009 7:36 pm ET)
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        Yup, only for non-cons. They can have our kids dressed in brown shirts, jack boots and red armbands (you know how they would love a school dress code!) and that would be just fine. Oh, and they want to bring back segregation too. Maybe white and black fountains as well.
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      • Author by debbie1960 (September 24, 2009 8:10 pm ET)
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        Let's see, my children have been in public school 20 years. I have a few children. AND I have yet to see ANY school sponsered patriotism. EVER. Oh wait, unless you are counting the flag salute, which ends in elementary school.

        Have you seen the video, and how is it NOT indoctrinatino? Let's change to singing praises to Regan, would that have bothered you. It would have bothered me. It's called critical thinking which the left is lacking.
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        • Author by snoopy (September 25, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
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          Apparently you lack it too. Love the strawman "what if it were reagan?". Y'all just whine too much. I grew up in military schools. I've marched in parades honoring Nixon, Ford and Carter. I've attended Vespers every wednesday night for a christian based sermon (and it was mandatory to attend). Funny how we never had liberal or conservative parents protesting about that the way the reichwing is today. But hey, knock yourself out and keep ginning up the hatred. I'm sure you'll get your race war yet...
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    • Author by News Corpse (September 24, 2009 5:34 pm ET)
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      I think I've discovered the real reason for Beck's popularity. It's his striking ability to draw pictures with chalk. Now you too can join in:

      The Glenn Beck Blackboard Challenge

      Show off your own drawing skills and impress your friends.
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    • Author by The_Cat (September 24, 2009 6:03 pm ET)
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      "Now, I think there are two sides to this point -- if somebody has had experience with drugs, I think that perhaps they are very qualified to then talk about the perils of it. The downside, of course, is if they somehow glorify it or romanticize it, and in his memoir he doesn't really disavow it."

      I really only see one side presented here. You can toe the party line, which is 'Drugs are bad, mm-kay?', OR, if you actually have first hand experience with them, you are free to add your own personal horror stories to the tiny pile of anecdotal evidence which supports the party line. Either way, drugs are bad, mm-kay?

      But, what happens if someone has a positive drug story? Just one time, someone took drugs, and maybe the world didn't end. Their dog didn't run away, their car didn't get re-possessed, their spouse didn't leave them, nobody died, nobody got hurt? I mean, if all drug stories were universally bad all the time, and there were no positive experiences, there would be no demand, would there? Even the dimmest bulb, after trying it four or five times, would give up.

      Except, not all drugs are bad, are they? Alcohol and tobacco are okay, even recreationally. And of course there is the vast catalog of commercially produced pharmaceuticals. But those drugs are okay. In fact, they're such a good idea that most drug companies will send you a free sample just so you can try it. Why? Because they're just legalized pushers, that's why.

      I haven't read Jennings' memoir, and what he says about his experiences really don't concern me at all. But this kind of completely ignorant hypocrisy is disgusting and sad, but not surprising from Fox and Friends. This is exactly the kind of worthless propaganda that leads to locking up 600,000 Americans, and ruining the lives of countless people for nonviolent and victimless crime. Meanwhile, since mandatory minimums exist for drug related arrests in many cases, actual violent criminals are released from jail early to make room for otherwise law abiding citizens who would rather smoke a joint than drink a martini in the evening to relax. I know who I would rather keep locked up, but that makes far too much logical sense.

      Not to mention the billions of dollars in tax revenue passed up at the state and federal level, along with the billions saved in law enforcement costs. Again, too logical I guess.
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      • Author by NewBee (September 24, 2009 6:29 pm ET)
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        One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers simply reads, "Why not hugs AND drugs?". I've never taken an illegal drug but that sticker appeals to my logical Vulcan side. If you wanted an example of a false dichotomy, that wheezy old slogan is it.
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      • Author by ssherman_39463 (September 24, 2009 7:27 pm ET)
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        I went onto the Fox Nation website to read about this story and you ought to read the hateful comments made about our president and the teachers and principal of the school these kids were singing from. Never in my life have I been so shocked. Grown people talking this way. I feel so sorry for their children - they should be taken away from them - it was utterly discusting!!!!!
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        • Author by mack65 (September 25, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
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          I find one thing in common in the comments here and any other liberal or conservative site. They are 90% name calling and BS. Just like your comment about the taking away of "their children". I have yet to find a place where conservatives and liberals and those who don't label themselves can go and have a civil conversation. Instead of choosing a side and yelling at the other, why don't more people try to talk... I guess that wouldn't be exciting or newsworthy.
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        • Author by bingo595 (September 26, 2009 9:24 am ET)
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          I bet you never read where the left crazy's were showing pictures of protesters of a poster hanging Bush. Calling him all kinds of vulgar names, comparing him to Hitler. Oh I forgot it is ok as long as it is against a republican but wrong when it is against a democrat especially a half black democrat. That sounds so fair.... yeah right.
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      • Author by Libertarian01 (September 24, 2009 8:53 pm ET)
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        Are people that pathetic that they have to do drugs (I am not including medicinal users)? It's illegal, we all know it, so don't do it if you don't want to go to jail. You must be a really boring person if you need it to make you interesting or have a good time. I still don't get why people complain about going to jail for drugs when they know fair well that that may happen. Are people that stupid? I guess the answer is yes.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 26, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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          Libertarian, you do realize your hero Glenn Beck was a drug user for many years, right? Think about that and re-read your post.
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          • Author by sambo (September 27, 2009 5:16 am ET)
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            Mike for a highly intelligent individual,Libertarian sure makes a lot of unintelligent statements... thats what happens to you
            when you watch Beck
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (September 26, 2009 9:17 pm ET)
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          Hey Lib - I liked drugs so much that I quit using them years ago. Lighten up.
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      • Author by John Paradox (September 25, 2009 2:51 pm ET)
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        Except, not all drugs are bad, are they? Alcohol and tobacco are okay, even recreationally. And of course there is the vast catalog of commercially produced pharmaceuticals. But those drugs are okay. In fact, they're such a good idea that most drug companies will send you a free sample just so you can try it. Why? Because they're just legalized pushers, that's why.

        Summary: drugs are OK if they make money for mega-corporations.

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    • Author by salan (September 24, 2009 6:07 pm ET)
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      woah...i cant believe there are people here thinking this is okay..for god sake we cant even let our kids say the pledge of allegience under god anymore and you think its okay to hail obama...look people..whether your a democrate or republican we are all human beings...i really feel bad for you if you think this okay..i mean cmon..the man had radical friends and has a radical past..its fact...just look it up...i mean cmon...thats more than enough for me to keep my child away from this garbage...be careful people about whom you choose to idolize especially if your a religous person..just a though...good luck...
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      • Author by alerted (September 25, 2009 4:54 pm ET)
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        We are not allowed to discuss God in school and people are up in arms about the Pledge of Allegience to the Flag. But singing that P-BO is #1? Really? If we can't even mention God in school without people freaking out, then schools and teachers should not be able to publicly endorse or support a political figure in the classroom. Discussing the fundamentals of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, explaining what each area of government is responsible for -- that is okay, and very much needed. But when you start endorsing or singling out a specific politican, his policies or agenda, it is crossing the line.
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      • Author by NewBee (September 25, 2009 11:22 pm ET)
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        whether your[sic] a democrate
        Nobody is a "democrate", so your argument is moot.
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      • Author by srichardson (September 26, 2009 10:57 am ET)
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        In most schools they still say the Pledge of Allegiance each day. And you can still say God in school, and quote the bible. English teachers can even teach the bible. There is still student led prayer at sports events and even Christmas programs. Get your facts straight!
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (September 26, 2009 9:21 pm ET)
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        the man had radical friends and has a radical past.

        Radical is another keyword for n!gger. Like ACORN has become another way for the hateful nutjobs to call black people n!ggers.

        Glad to see you're in with the racists. How 1860 of you.

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    • Author by worrierking (September 24, 2009 6:28 pm ET)
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      "Why would moms get so angry that they would join together and stand in crowds?"

      Because they're ill-informed?
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      • Author by mack65 (September 25, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
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        So, anyone who has something they feel strongly about and decides to have a rally or protest is ill-informed? Why not listen to what the moms have to say? If you disagree, do so. Just becasue a group doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are ignorant, stupid or wasting their time.
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    • Author by right ON (September 24, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
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      This hardly indoctrinates children as Beck and others keep insisting. But I wonder why any teacher would have his students chant and sing about any president? Is that really his function in the classroom? I have no problem with children expressing support for the POTUS and our country. There is nothing wrong, or indoctrinating about that. But this chanting and singing is a little odd, and creepy. I don't see the necessity of it. On the other hand, it is just a snapshot of a very brief moment in one day so it may be blown out of proportion. It's just a little weird to me.
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      • Author by mk3872 (September 24, 2009 7:22 pm ET)
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        Is it possible, just possible that the teacher really, really likes our president? Or is that too complicated to get your head around?
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        • Author by pongotwistleton (September 25, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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          What does if matter if the teacher "really, really likes our president." It doesn't give him or her the right to impose his or her preference on the children. If the teacher, really, really liked Bush, would you have thought it okay for him to have his students praise him through song . . . Get a clue.
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          • Author by John Paradox (September 25, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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            You mean like this?
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            • Author by pongotwistleton (September 25, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
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              Yes, exactly. The two videos are equally deplorable and sickening. It's amazing that the Obama lemmings disapprove of the video you post, yet herald the instant video. Hypocricy at its worse.
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              • Author by NewBee (September 25, 2009 11:19 pm ET)
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                It's amazing that the Obama lemmings disapprove of the video you post, yet herald the instant video.
                That wasn't expressed, but hey, a straw man is all you've got, right?
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 26, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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                I don't disapprove of either. Can you not find a real, rational reason to oppose Obama? My goodness.
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                • Author by pongotwistleton (September 26, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
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                  You're obviously a little slow on the up-take. It's not about opposing Obama (or Bush), it's about teachers imposing their political views on young children -- a captive audience. Compelling students to sing songs of praise about the teacher's political hero is flatly wrong. There are many other ways for students to learn of the accomplishments of African Americans, and their contributions to America, that do not involve the sort of idol worship that is redolent of north korea. The video is sickening, and if that teacher and principle cannot recognize the their errors, then both are incompetent and should be fired.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (September 26, 2009 9:25 pm ET)
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                    They sang ONE song for 2 minutes in praise of the AMERICAN PRESIDENT. I know young minds are impressionable, but you're claim of "imposing" is simply utterly insane.

                    And, teachers are NOT imposing their political views on young children. They're too busy teaching them how to pass those stupid tests mandated by Dubya that is ruining the public education system.

                    And, it's this irrational hatred of anything regarding Obama with no basis in reality or fact that it becomes a chorus of racists shouting n!gger.
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 27, 2009 1:08 am ET)
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                    It's not just some political hero. It is the president of the United States. I understand that the right wing is refusing to accept this and they have made it abundantly clear that they are sore losers - as you have. The fact that the Republican party now has no problem whatsoever with attacking any institutional support for our own duly elected president because he is from the opposing party only reinforces the now obvious fact that Republicans choose party over country.

                    Also, what political views are there in this song that are so sickening to you? Equality? Reverence for the president? I have yet to hear anyone tell me which view is expressed in this song that everyone opposes.
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                    • Author by pongotwistleton (September 27, 2009 10:27 am ET)
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                      You and Foghorn sorely miss the point. I have no animus toward Obama, and think he's confronted now with a slew of serious issues which I hope he successfully addresses.

                      As I indicated, the issue is the teacher imposing his or her political preferences on young children. The children should not be taught to blindly sing obeisant songs of praise about a president whom they no nothing about, other than the fact that he's half black. They don't know whether he's a tyrant, a crook or whatever. They don't know whether his policies are good for them, their families, or the nation at large. They're simply too young and immature to form opinions on healthcare, afghanistan, no child left behind, bank bailouts . ..

                      Nonetheless, the message given by this little sing-along is that the children should praise Obama, the man, because he's the president and black. That's wrong, and is the antithesis of the critical thought and dissent that are so valued and necessary in a democracy. This activity simply has no basis in a classroom for such young children. It's wrong in the Obama video, and it's wrong in the Bush video.

                      Political advocacy should wait till the kids are older, when they're mature enough to join debate teams and are more capable of coming to a reasoned opinion about how great Obama is, and how laudable his policies are . ..
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                      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (September 27, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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                        Nonetheless, the message given by this little sing-along is that the children should praise Obama, the man, because he's the president and black.

                        There is a reason we have Black History Month.

                        For years, history books and teachers ignored the contribution of African Americans, Hispanic, Asian and Jewish people in building this country.

                        Black History Month is the remembrance if IMPORTANT people and EVENTS in the history of African Americans .
                        It was started in 1926 by historian Carter G. Woodson as "Negro History Week". Woodson choose the second week in February because it marked the birthdays of two Americans who greatly influenced the lives and social conditions of African Americans: President Lincoln and former slave Frederick Douglas.

                        That song was to acknowledge the importance of this country electing the first African American President it was not a teacher imposing her views.

                        There is also Jewish American Heritage Month, which is the remembrance of Jewish American contributions and the history (past, present, future) of Jewish Americans in the US. It's celebrated in the the month of May.

                        And Hispanic Heritage Month to recognize the contributions of Hispanic Americans to the US and to celebrate Hispanic heritage and culture. The observation started in 1968 as Hispanic Heritage Week was approved by President Lyndon Johnson and was expanded by President Ronald Reagan in 1988 to cover a 30-day period starting on September 15th and ending on October 15. It was enacted into law on August 17, 1981 on the approval of Public Law 100-402.

                        Asian Pacific American Heritage Month (APAHM) is celebrated in May to commemorate the contributions of people of Asian and Pacific Islander descent in the United States. Congress passed a joint Congressional Resolution in 1978 to commemorate Asian American Heritage Week during the first week of May. This date was chosen because two important anniversaries occurred during this time: the arrival of the first Japanese immigrants in America on May 7, 1843 and the completion of the transcontinental railroad (by many Chinese laborers) on May 10, 1869. In 1990 Congress voted to expand it from a week to a month long celebration and in May 1992, the month of May was permanently designated as “Asian/Pacific American Heritage Month.”

                        And when this country elects it's first Hispanic, Asian or Jewish president, you can bet there will be children singing and celebrating the event!
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            • Author by mack65 (September 25, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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              So, 2 wrongs make a right?
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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (September 25, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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            Get a clue.


            YOU should take your own advise!
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        • Author by bingo595 (September 26, 2009 9:26 am ET)
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          I think it has more to do with because he is half black. Nothing to do with his politics.
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      • Author by DellDolly (September 24, 2009 7:54 pm ET)
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        Heaven forbid that during Black History Month they sing a song about our first Black President. Omigod, what could have inspired her to do such a thing?

        Do you really wonder what motivated her?

        It is a teacher's function to teach kids about influential blacks during Black History Month. Do you really not know this? One of the ways that schools explore historical events is through song.
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        • Author by open_mind (September 25, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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          You have a point, but I think the bigger issue is that this is a sitting president. If they had said kind words about Lincoln, Kennedy or Washington, nobody would have batted an eye.
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          • Author by DellDolly (September 25, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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            So, during Black History month, a couple of weeks after the first Black was ever inaugurated as US President, it would have been inappropriate for them to highlight his election during their study of important Black Americans?

            You didn't really think that criticism through, did you?
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        • Author by mack65 (September 25, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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          While to some it may seem harmless, there are those out there who fear the government encraochment into our lives. I am one of them. However, sometimes when people look for something bad, they will find it everywhere they look. I don't think this woman was trying to indocrinate our children, but I can see how someone who is on the lookout for indocrination in the schools might see it that way. I personally believe that schools should teach Math, Science, language, and history (minus teacher personal opinion). Leave the rest to the parents.

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (September 25, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
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        But I wonder why any teacher would have his students chant and sing about any president? Is that really his function in the classroom?

        This event took place during Black History month.

        So it would make sense that in celebrating Black History, you would celebrate the FIRST Black President in the history of this country.

        Once again, Republicans want to make much more of this than there really is.

        Children have been singing to Presidents for years, just like Presidents have been speaking to children for years.

        Republicans, only have a problem with the CURRENT President, who just happens to be African American. Of course, Republicans also say Obama's race has nothing to do with it. </sarcasm>
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    • Author by worrierking (September 24, 2009 6:33 pm ET)
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      What scum!

      Which of these brain addled Fox charlatans hasn't expressed contempt for religion?

      Just not contempt for the Jesus'y kind of religion.
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      • Author by corbinsiddall (September 24, 2009 7:27 pm ET)
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        "Jesus'y kind of religion" or Christianity and accepting that Jesus died for all our sins, is the only path to salvation. It is the truth, not the belittling of others' religions views, that will convert and save the masses.
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        • Author by NewBee (September 25, 2009 11:24 pm ET)
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          Christianity and accepting that Jesus died for all our sins, is the only path to salvation
          Since there is no salvation, this is patently false. But, since when did religious nutters ever let logic get in their way?
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        • Author by Ribelin2000 (September 27, 2009 12:34 am ET)
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          And it is religious fascists like you, corbin, who are turning people away from Christianity now more than ever before, by telling people that they will go to Hell if they don't accept your "God".
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    • Author by Southernman (September 24, 2009 8:08 pm ET)
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      Thank God for Patriots like Beck. This Communist Coup has been exposed and yes they are TRANSPARENT.
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    • Author by Oklad (September 24, 2009 8:28 pm ET)
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      But But But Obama still smokes cigarettes..Oh Dear! What are we to do?.. Can't say a word about it right? Might upset the tobacco lobbyists and where would all those Virginny Slim votes be?
      Doesn't put a good image out to the kids but geez the tobacco guys have so much money...Damn! What's a good Repug to do with that one?
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      • Author by manofmystique (September 25, 2009 8:29 am ET)
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        Good Republican? All the ones I see are popinjays. They are spitting all over democracy and the constitution (did not we have an election?), and they are putting idiology ahead of common sense and the American people. All in an efford to bring down this popular President. In fact, they no longer care about their own slogan: "Country First".
        While sore losing Republicans criticize every move Obama makes and act like lost children, Obama continue his superior persona, appeal and leadership.
        By the way have you seen Obama smoke tobacco? Do you know why people don't see Obama smoke? Obama talks about smoking but we don't see him smoking, right? This is how Obama stays one step ahead of bonehead Republicans and conservatives and all those who want to say he is a muslim.
        To keep idiots from constantly claiming he is a muslim Obama make you believe he smokes.
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    • Author by plaasjaapie (September 24, 2009 10:10 pm ET)
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      LOL! Saying that this song practice is for "Black History Month" is pretty weak. Last time I looked, it's in February and here it is only halfway through September? Looks to me like the school district's response about BHM and "no permission granted to record" is a rather pathetic attempt at CYA.
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (September 25, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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        LOL! Saying that this song practice is for "Black History Month" is pretty weak. Last time I looked, it's in February and here it is only halfway through September? Looks to me like the school district's response about BHM and "no permission granted to record" is a rather pathetic attempt at CYA.


        Can YOU spell CLUELESS?

        The video was filmed in FEBRUARY and a copy released in September.
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    • Author by RyrineaNara (September 25, 2009 2:47 am ET)
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      What are these Republicans are saying this is indoctrination, when it some teacher misguiding attempt of a class project?
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    • Author by donwelty (September 25, 2009 3:15 am ET)
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      I saw the video, a normal person might question whether the subject matter of the songs, Pres. Obama, is adequate or necessary. If somebody had written the song and had kids sing it about George Bush, I would wonder. In my opinion, the songs are mainstream, and nothing really to get excited about. I can see how someone would say that this is glorifying the president and that criticism is justifiable. However, going off the deep end as some of the right wing commentators seem to do is going too far, making a sow's ear out of a silk purse.
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      • Author by snoopy (September 25, 2009 1:11 pm ET)
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        You haven't seen the beginning of the deep end. It is now being reported that the school is receiving death threats. Fox and the reich must be real proud of themselves putting children in danger for nothing more than a political point.
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    • Author by spittinghotfireonrepukes (September 25, 2009 7:04 am ET)
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      Now Faux wants to vett? Let's see GWB was vetted, found to be a drunk. Was awol from his National Guard commitment during a time of war. Totally mucked up this country in every concieveable way. Now Doocy and his gang of Uninformed Psycho Buffons are worried about a School Czar...the hypocricy is UNBELIEVEABLE!!!
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      • Author by srichardson (September 25, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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        And didn't GWB get hit with a DUI at one time? A felony, right? How did he get off on that charge? Or is my information incorrect?
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      • Author by mack65 (September 25, 2009 4:39 pm ET)
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        I'm not sure why, but not everyone who critisizes Obama is a Bush lover. The only winners here are the politicians. We <insert label here> are the losers. Unless you are a politician, you are just a numbered voting sheep to be herded. That is unless you stand up for what you believe and do something. Calling yourself a winner and a republican supporter a loser is just what the politicians want. We fight amongst ourselves so they can do what they want. Stop the blickering.
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    • Author by roninkannushi1711 (September 25, 2009 8:59 am ET)
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      Fellow Matterers,

      Glen Beck beats the drums of hate. A poor musician, he is welcome to play, in the theater of our nation's cancer.

      G.Beck is a hurdy gurdy monkey, dancing to our white racist culture's melody. Hand-in-hand, it is a win-win. Using an antecedent-consequence of hate, the fear is meant to blame others. Our country's efforts, to grow beyond our troubled past is impeded, by his static. Denying his supportive beat, G.Beck is within the sound of intolerance. That is not me, throwing stones on air, he will claim. Silence, or just avoiding to answer a question, he continues his botheration.

      It be it,
      Ronin Kannushi.
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    • Author by roninkannushi1711 (September 25, 2009 8:59 am ET)
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      Fellow Matterers,

      Glen Beck beats the drums of hate. A poor musician, he is welcome to play, in the theater of our nation's cancer.

      G.Beck is a hurdy gurdy monkey, dancing to our white racist culture's melody. Hand-in-hand, it is a win-win. Using an antecedent-consequence of hate, the fear is meant to blame others. Our country's efforts, to grow beyond our troubled past is impeded, by his static. Denying his supportive beat, G.Beck is within the sound of intolerance. That is not me, throwing stones on air, he will claim. Silence, or just avoiding to answer a question, he continues his botheration.

      It be it,
      Ronin Kannushi.
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    • Author by gmonet (September 25, 2009 9:51 am ET)
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      It is good that we have many different sources and views of news and information. Beck is but one source and to call all conservative views misinformation shows why this issue is gonna make heads roll in Jersey, and well they should. To use a Christian Hymn "Jesus Loves the Little Children" is blasphemy and makes those kids a part of a Christian covert movement. This woman is clearly a racist who sees children as a way to make the black President elevated to a diety, when blacks are no more a diety than whites, hispanics or asians. beck is the new voice of so hundreds of thousands of parents who see their kids being manipulated by the liberal government whois quickly becoming aligned with Chavez, Russia and already in love with Holywood.
      That is scary! Oh, and Jimmy Carter loves anyone who hates America doesn't that scare anyone here?
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (September 25, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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        This woman is clearly a racist who sees children as a way to make the black President elevated to a diety, when blacks are no more a diety than whites, hispanics or asians. beck is the new voice of so hundreds of thousands of parents who see their kids being manipulated by the liberal government whois quickly becoming aligned with Chavez, Russia and already in love with Holywood


        You think this teacher is a racist because she had children sing a song for the FIRST African American President DURING Black History month?

        And by the way, the song is an ADAPTATION. YOU do know the meaning of ADAPTATION, right?

        This habit of jumping on ANYTHING that involves President Obama is becoming pathetic.

        Seriously, do yourself and the rest of us a favor and admit you cannot stand the fact that this African American man is President.

        And before I hear the whine of "she's playing the race card"?

        Look back and find ONE freaking thing that President Obama has done in his 9 months in office that you folks HAVE NOT, protested against, complained about or flat out lied about!
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        • Author by mack65 (September 25, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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          I challenge you to point out one thing that he has done that won't put our children and grandchildren into debit. Its not about race or party affiliation. Bush did much of the same. I hope one day we can have politicians that know how to balance a checkbook.
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        • Author by alerted (September 25, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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          the color of his skin makes no difference to me -- he needs to be judged by the same criteria the previous presidents have been judged on, regardless of his skin color. Yes, it's a big moment -- but it's over with! if people want him to be successful, then he needs to be held the same standards that all other president's before him had - Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton and even Bush. Any attempt by schools or teachers to push a specific politican or political agenda on children while in school is wrong. Teach the structure of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the way our government works -- but not the policies and agenda of one person.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 26, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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        "This woman is clearly a racist who sees children as a way to make the black President elevated to a diety" - gmonet

        OK. Here we go. This is clear race-baiting. And it is only fair that wesley and rightOn and the rest of the right-wing defenders call this out like they do when it comes from the left. Now, this woman is racist because she has the children singing a song about Obama and equality? Yet another example of how the right is doing their very best to ensure that only minorities can be called racist and that they are called it anytime they do anything.
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    • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 25, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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      I thought it was interesting that the Fox News has an advertisement for an article titled "Who's Behind 'Islam On Capitol Hill'"...

      Looks like fear based on religion is still alive and well on Fox... I always wondered, how can a news station be taken so seriously, especially one who's regular networks air shows like "The Simpsons" and "Family Guy"?

      Here is a link to Islam On Capitol Hill.

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      The Midnight Review
      Mum Is The Word
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      • Author by srichardson (September 25, 2009 11:32 am ET)
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        Islam can be a scary religion when the extremists control it. But Glenn Beck is a Mormon. It's hard for me to believe the the Christian right back him at all. Mormonism, the way I've been taught, is an extremely weird religion. They've added to the original Bible, they believe Jesus was married (many times) and they believe that when they die they will be master over their own planet of angels. Of course, I may be misinformed, and if I am please correct me.
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        • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 25, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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          All religions can be scary when in the hands of extremeists... consider that fundamentalist Christian church that protests soldier's funerals with posters saying obscene things. Same goes for fundamentalist Mormon churches.

          As for the Mormons, they are indeed an interesting faith. I am not Mormon, but have found their religion to be of interest...
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          • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 25, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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            As for the Christian-right backing Beck, I think it is complicated...

            Both groups share similar beliefs, and would seemingly want to work towards the same goal, but I believe it to be similar to the distrust some Christian groups had about Catholics, as well as their apprehension regarding John F. Kennedy years back...

            The same would also go towards Muslims... there are many groups that share similar conservative ideologies as the Republican base, but I think the Republicans do a poor job at courting these other segments of the electorate (just look how they failed in the previous election with Hispanic votes).

            As for Glen Beck's religion, I have rarely seen it play a prominent role in his commenting, so I would assume it is one of those facts conservative viewers gloss over...

            I'm more surprised that nobody has raised questions about Greta Van Susteren being a Scientologist...
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            • Author by srichardson (September 25, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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              Now that is interesting. I didn't know about Greta. That is one religion that I find difficult to learn about. And you are so right about extremists religions being scary. My dad always said what is wrong with this country are the christian extremists. I work with some "christian republicans" and their views so often make me uncomfortable. One lady said we should lock all the Middle Easterners up in a camp (like the Japanese in WWII). They say health care is a privilege, not a right. They think that giving money to the homeless, poor, down on their luck is the same as aiding and abetting a drug addict or alchoholic. I honestly think they learn most of what they think the faith is about from something other than the Bible.
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              • Author by John Paradox (September 25, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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                RE: Scientology.

                Long before L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology, it was "Dianetics", an alternative to actual Psychology/Psychiatry. I read the book and found it as inane and idiotic as most 'woo' (homeopathy, etc.). There are a few books promoting Scientology (which, BTW, was turned into a 'religion' to get the tax breaks) available at my local Socialist Bookstore, er., Public Library, but I tend to ignore them because I've already seen the basics in Dianetics.
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                • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 25, 2009 3:52 pm ET)
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                  One of my coworkers is a recent converts to Scientology...

                  She has purchased all the supplementary materials and can be seen at work studying hard to become a good Scientologist. I had asked her if she was familiar with the organization after I noticed her carrying around Dianetics and some test results, and she had felt that maybe they can aid her in her life at this moment. I am not one to judge, and she had already determined her mind, but I am a bit concerned, only because I am a little bit familiar with their history.

                  Any organization that was once considered a cult, but claimed to be a religion and a philosophy, and then used the litigation to bankrupt the Cult Awareness Network and then subsequently purchase the bankrupt group, only to remove themselves as a cult, and then offer guidance to others in cults, seems a bit wrong, and self serving... I wonder what Greta has to say about that?
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              • Author by mack65 (September 25, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
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                I think you may be slightly misguided. Most sane people do not think that giving to the poor is bad. The fundamental idea is that if I want to give to the poor, I will do so. However, it is not the place of the government to take my money and give it to the poor (some of whom have the capability of getting a job).
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    • Author by Waring (September 25, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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      I guess if you can't get people's support other ways just go for a target that is guaranteed to get the attention of most everyone int he nation, their kids. The right wing media knows what lengths people are willing to go in order to help protect their kids so now the lies about harm to kids will start to happen in a desperate attempt to get more support.
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    • Author by canyon2 (September 25, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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      Re. "Kids" and the new Administration: did I hear correctly? Last night G. Carlson, Foxnews attractive-early 30ish-blonde woman-correspondent #352 (something sexist goin' on there?), said (paraphrasing), in regard to the School children's tribute song to President Obama, "It's part of Black History month....can't say they don't have 'rhythm'"?
      I am unclear who said "Black History" but the whole passage was surreal.
      The RNC obviously pushes the idea that there's no racial component to criticisms of the new administration. But their Media arm, Foxnews, seemed more than happy to indulge their passions last night.
      "Fair and Balanced".

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    • Author by libertas7 (September 25, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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      My Grandparents were proud Democrats. My parents were proud Democrats. I am a proud Democrat. However, our beloved party has been taken over by the same cloud of evil, war mongering, big corporate, FASCIST bastards that owned Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. and now Obama.

      I agree with much of Beck's uncovering of corruption, no matter if it fits my ideology or his. There are troubling parallels to the Kult of Obama and that of Hitlerian history.

      ACORN is corrupt. Many of Obama's appointees are worrisome, are tax cheats, and Charlie Rangle is a travesty. Barny Frank DID take a ton of money from Fannie and Freddie, and he did try hard to keep the auditors at bay. We need to be MORE critical of those we align with, than those we oppose. THINK, every answer on here is a reflex.
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (September 25, 2009 4:07 pm ET)
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        My Grandparents were proud Democrats. My parents were proud Democrats. I am a proud Democrat.


        Probably proud Dixicrats!

        And you're full of sh*t!

        Since you're up to date on Democrats who've committed crimes, you and you're buddy Beck should spend time making a list of the many, many Republicans who've committed crimes over the last 8 years and exactly what there crimes were.

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        • Author by mack65 (September 25, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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          Instead of putting libertas7 down, why don't you list them for us? Or even better, enlighten us to why you would want to defend any political party or politician if they are corrupt. It's not morally ethical to condem one person for their corruption, but ignore or ebable another's when they are in the political party you subscribe to.
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        • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 25, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
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          I had come across this website:

          Republican Offenders
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      • Author by open_mind (September 27, 2009 2:09 am ET)
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        Concern Troll fail.

        You lost all credibility when you started comparing Obama to Hitler. You conservatives will never be able to mimic or facsimile a normal person's writing. You are better off creating the usual unintentional parody. At least the laughs will be a little more substantial and worthwhile.
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    • Author by 8585dhw (September 25, 2009 3:25 pm ET)
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      What was it someone said about a similar incident involving children and Bush II? Oh, yeah: "I think I'm gonna vomit." Watching these kids singing praises to Obama invokes my gag reflexes. Please excuse me while I look for a trash can.
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      • Author by NewBee (September 25, 2009 11:29 pm ET)
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        Watching these kids singing praises to Obama invokes my gag reflexes. Please excuse me while I look for a trash can.
        ...then it was worthwhile after all. I take great delight in the thought cons puking their wretched guts out.
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    • Author by pt13 (September 25, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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      I honestly do not think that school age children should be exposed by teachers or parents to any political agenda. I think the teacher was a bit out of line and definitely not thinking age indicatively. BUT, if you read all the post on You Tube somehow it all came back to Obama being a socialist or communist or Nazi. How he became the villain because of what this one teacher did, I have no clue. I suppose knowing the video was linked to Drudge and Fox explains this mentality. Yes, this teacher was out of line but Drudge and FOX are WAY out of line making this story national when there are stories about teachers accused of sexual misconduct that barely make local news. I also think the kids that were taken to these Tea Parties and exposed to anti-Obama sentiments was criminal. Probably worse because parents were the responsible parties. Now Fox want's children to express their views? Their views? Do children have any other views that what their parents teach them? Isn't that exploitation that is worse that what this teacher was accused of? Children should be taught that there is an elected president and that there were 43 before him and what there names are... There is plenty of time to learn about higher level politics when they are older and have learned the ABC's of government without being polluted by mature opinions. The only way children will learn the importance of respecting the office of the president is by impartial teaching, no matter how nauseating it is to the parents. It's just the right thing to do as a parent. If not, one is instilling a disrespect for the office in their children and that is far worse than the teacher incident.
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    • Author by Francis (September 26, 2009 2:25 am ET)
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      This is much ado about nothing. It's not like POTUS or the WH had anything to do with it. More nonsense taken out of context in order to create a distraction on behalf of the Repubs.

      BTW, this is not unique to Obama. Check out this youtube clip from a Nixon documentary (2:44 minutes into the video).

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_oOJiuvW4&feature=PlayList&p=6AE90595B49D8C31&index=16

      Personally I do not think we should not hero worship ANY president. But the wingnuts are laying on the outrage a bit thick here, no?
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    • Author by DixieChyc (September 26, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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      It appalls me to read all the funny-ha-ha cutesy comments that make light of the corruption within the ACORN organization. It is not amusing to me when ACORN workers overlook prostitution and the importation of under-age girls to work as prostitutes, all the worse since the organization has been operating partly because of American tax dollars. You would think that the loss of your tax dollars would bother you just a little bit. It does not just bother me. It angers me off that the govt takes a big chunk of the money I make from working two jobs just to turn around and give it to ACORN and other tax-sucking organizations, projects, grants, etc. Not to mention to other countries that hate America.
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      • Author by pt13 (September 26, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
           
        You are right to a degree. There are many agencies that have workers who are without scruples. Even Make A Wish has found some of their employee engaging in unsavory activities. But this is going to happen to any organization that reaches that size. Should we close them down because the actions of a few? An organization that grants final wishes to dying children? Red Cross is another organization that has found employees and contractors involving themselves in illegal plots or schemes. They all need to start taking more measure to oversee the employees and contractors that are representing them but I am positive that even with a very strong system in place, there will still be a few rouge employees here and there.

        The problem I see here is not exposing these rotten apples but the way it is done and the fact that it seems to be directed to an organization that can be tied in somehow to the President in some way shape or form. I am just betting if there was some point in Obama's legal career that he might have handled a case for Make A Wish, Red Cross or any other large organization, then they too would be a target in the witch hunt. If you really want to see fairness in media then expose them all. Same with the teacher that taught the kids a song about Obama. There is a teacher that in Hawaii that was put on leave for sexual misconduct. Did that make national news? No. You can only find the story in the Honolulu newspapers on line. That is much more disgusting than a teacher hawking her political views. If the story of a teacher placing her views on young children is so disgusting then how about parents that have their children at these tea party rally's holding a sign that shows a picture of Hitler = A picture of Obama? Talk about inappropriate. My children have no clue about my political beliefs and rest assured that even when they get older I would never subject them to what these kids at the rally's were seeing.

        The point I am making is that these attacks are one sided. If these media outlets are really disgusted, then go highlight all of these injustices, not just the ones that are meant to spotlight how evil our president is. Fair and balanced. Otherwise it is an obvious hate agenda.
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      • Author by NewBee (September 26, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
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        that make light of the corruption within the ACORN organization.
        There isn't corruption within the ACORN organization. Your whole post is based on a false premise.
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      • Author by The_Cat (September 27, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
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        So, DixieChyc, the pretend child prostitution ring that was farmed around to various ACORN locations until they got somebody to fall for, that really concerns you? Even though it was totally fictitious, and there were, in fact, no child prostitutes? You want their funding cut, you want an investigation, you want ThunderDome?

        Well, there was this company called Blackwater once upon a time, and they didn't kid around. They actually set up child prostitution. They also murdered innocent civilians. Do you want their funding cut? Do you want an investigation? Because, they weren't pretending. They really did pimp out young girls. They really did murder people.
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