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LA Times report further undermines ACORN videographers' credibility

September 24, 2009 9:03 pm ET — 62 Comments

On September 23, Los Angeles Times media critic James Rainey reported that ACORN official Lavelle Stewart "told me this week" that when conservative videographers James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles came to Stewart's ACORN office in Los Angeles disguised as a pimp and prostitute, Stewart "tried to get the 'prostitute,' who claimed she had been beaten by her pimp, to go to a women's center." Stewart's reported statement and a police report filed by officials at ACORN's Philadelphia office undermine O'Keefe's and Giles' claims that they were never rebuffed at any of the ACORN offices they visited, and the videographers have yet to release the Los Angeles and Philadelphia videos.

ACORN's Stewart reportedly said: "The fact she was not taking the help I offered ... raised a red flag"

From Rainey's September 23 Los Angeles Times column:

And visits to other ACORN offices have gone almost entirely unmentioned. Lavelle Stewart, a fair-housing coordinator in the group's Los Angeles office, told me this week that she tried to get the "prostitute," who claimed she had been beaten by her pimp, to go to a women's center.

"The fact she was not taking the help I offered her made me think something was not right," Stewart said. "It raised a red flag."

Evidence undermines videographers' claims that they were not rebuffed at any ACORN office

LA, Philadelphia accounts rebut videographers' claims that they were not rebuffed at any ACORN office. O'Keefe, Giles, and Andrew Breitbart, who publicized the videos, appeared on Fox News programs to claim that the videographers were never turned away at any ACORN office. But those claims are undermined by Rainey's report of what happened at the Los Angeles office and the fact that officials at ACORN's Philadelphia office contacted the police in response to O'Keefe's appearance there.

Philadelphia ACORN Housing official: "[W]e called the police and filed this report." In a YouTube video, Katherine Conway Russell, ACORN Housing Corp.'s Philadelphia office director, stated that O'Keefe visited the office "[l]ast July" with "another woman." Russell stated that "[a]fter asking several general questions, [O'Keefe] began to veer off into suspicious territory." Russell said that O'Keefe eventually "asked about bringing girls from El Salvador and getting them papers, et cetera," but that "I told them that there was nothing we could do to help them, that I didn't know anything about what they were asking about. ... I then told them that they had to leave." Russell also said that after she contacted another ACORN official and it became clear that O'Keefe "lied to get his appointment," they contacted the police. ACORN also released a copy of the police report, which claimed that "James O'Keefe" created a "verbal disturbance" at the ACORN office.

San Diego ACORN official also reported duo to police following encounter. In a September 22 article, the Associated Press reported that California police said an ACORN worker contacted them about "possible human smuggling":

Police say a worker with the activist group ACORN who was caught on video giving advice about human smuggling to a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute had reported the incident to authorities.

National City police said Monday that Juan Carlos Vera contacted his cousin, a police detective, to get advice on what to with information on possible human smuggling.

Vera was secretly filmed on Aug. 18 as part of a young couple's high-profile expose.

Police say he contacted law enforcement two days later. The detective consulted another police official who served on a federal human smuggling task force, who said he needed more details.

The ACORN employee responded several days later and explained that the information he received was not true and he had been duped.

Videographers reportedly engaged in selective editing, and O'Keefe has reportedly done so before

O'Keefe's dismissal of ACORN's claim that "the videos were doctored" undermined by report that they were. O'Keefe reportedly dismissed ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis' claim that the secretly filmed videos were doctored, stating, "They've lied every step of the way." But one video that reportedly "left out" an ACORN employee's statement that it would have nothing to do with a prostitution business undermines O'Keefe's claim. According to a report by CNN's Casey Wian that aired on the September 17 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight, the videographers edited San Bernardino ACORN organizer Tresa Kaelke's statement that ACORN would not associate itself with prostitution. Wian said: "Left out of the originally released tape but included in a transcript the filmmakers later released is Kaelke's statement that ACORN would have nothing to do with their prostitution business."

Report: O'Keefe friend said she "grew disillusioned" with his tactics after being asked to doctor transcript of a past film. In a September 18 article, The New York Times reported that Liz Farkas, a college friend of O'Keefe's while at Rutgers University, "said she grew disillusioned" after O'Keefe "asked her to help edit the script" of a video involving a nurse at UCLA. The Times reported: " 'It was snippets to make the ... nurse look bad,' Ms. Farkas said. 'I said: "It has no context. You're just cherry-picking the nurse's answers." He said, "Okay" -- and then he just ran it.' "

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (September 24, 2009 9:52 pm ET)
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      Is lying a genetic trait among right wing conservatives? Add O'Keefe and Giles to the long inglorious list. What would they say if Michael Moore did the same? Well, they trash him regardless what his tactics are...
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      • Author by TX (September 25, 2009 10:46 am ET)
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        You must be confused -- lying is a trait of the left, with the President leading the way...
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        • Author by phredicles (September 25, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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          Get back to work, Congressman Wilson.
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        • Author by pls5671 (September 25, 2009 10:24 pm ET)
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          I am a Texan an I have had about enough of the lying of the repubs they are looking ridicules. How can they live with themselves and I predict that those kinds of people do not have very intelligent friends. Obama goes out of his way to be more honest than we have heard in along time from a President.
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        • Author by rkcomments (September 26, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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          Bush's lies cost the lives of 4300+ American soldiers and millions of innocent Iraqi citizens.

          Republican hypocrites are best at wide stances, teabagging, extra-marital affairs and making fools of themselves at dance shows on TV.
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        • Author by Buzzramjet (September 26, 2009 11:38 pm ET)
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          If it were not for lies, hypocrisy and character assassination the rightwing cons would not have anything to say.


          EVER.
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      • Author by toombsie (September 25, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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        Yes lying is fundamental to this "conservative movement" if such a thing exists presently. It wouldn't exist without all the lies.
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    • Author by njguy93 (September 24, 2009 9:56 pm ET)
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      What a surprise. We knew this young man and young woman were frauds right from the start. It was clear that there was some level of deception, given all of th accounts and statments that direcltly contradict what these two had said. Hannah Giles, the young woman who posed as the prostitute, was asked if she and O'Keefe were turned away at any ACORN offices, and she literally did not answer the question. She completely avoided it and referenced the offices where they apparently did find someone to talk with them, as if that negated everything else that is suspicious about this whole thing. She was asked the question on FOX NEWS CHANNEL, surprising, of all places, and was asked it by Greg Gutfeld. Not surprisingly, however, Gutfeld did not follow up on the question and press her to answer. He let her get away with it.

      THANK YOU.
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      • Author by njguy93 (September 24, 2009 10:07 pm ET)
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        Hannah Giles was on FOX NEWS CHANNEL giving an interview, and she said it was her idea to do this hidden camera thing on ACORN. She said she was jogging and got a little lost and jogged into a bad part of Baltimore. She said she saw the ACORN office there and got the idea for this after seeing the type of people hanging around there. She said she got out of there as fast as she could after that. What she meant was that she went into a part of Baltimore that wasnt a posh, white, suburban area, and she saw a bunch of people with dark skin who werent upper middle class neo-yuppie Republicans, so she got scared because she wasnt used to being around people like that unless they're cleaning her home or valet parking her car for her. And then she got this idea that since they arent rich, white, and Republican and they're in a bad area, they must all automatically be bad people and they're probably pimps or drug dealers who are doing illegal things, and they work for or hang around near this organization that helps poor black and brown people, so this organization must be the same, so lets entrap them in really idiotic and abitrary way, even if we have to make things up and be deceptive. Sad. But certainly not surprising.

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      • Author by fairliberal (September 26, 2009 1:06 am ET)
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        Actually many of us knew that acorn was a fraud, it took these two to assist in exposing them. The dems knew it too, they just didn't care since they were delivering many new democratic voters, over and over and over again.
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        • Author by swift (September 26, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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          Actually, if Fox News has one lie on it, should it be shut down? How about sending Beck to prison because he lies all the time? (I'm against that, by the way, though they certainly lie profusely.)

          The point is, this couple had the kind of ideas about Acorn that you might get if you watch the Black Conspiracy channel all the time. For you, Acorn is kind of like the Black Ku Klux, or the Illuminati or something. Actually, they are an organization that has been around for years to help poor people. By finding, after some effort, a few bad apples, you've in no way invalidated the organization. What the Dems did in Congress was cowardly but inevitable in politics. You scored your demagogic point, but let's not make any real mistake of accepting your weird worldview.
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        • Author by bobklahn (September 26, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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          It is absolutely clear O'Keefe is the fraud. Out of 7 Acorn offices he is known to have visited, he acknowledged 5 and he released 5 edited videos.

          Of the five, one, Baltimore, did try to help him with his claimed plot. That was inexcusable and they were fired.

          San Bernadino one woman was friendly and helpful, but she said Acorn would have nothing to do with it and her supervisor would shoot it down.

          San Diego the man they spoke with told them outright he worked with the district attorney's office. When O'Keefe said that was not good, he backed off, got contact information, and got rid of them. He called a relative who is a police detective who referred him to the officers involved in human trafficing. They asked for more information, and when he tried to get it he discovered O'Keefe was a fake.

          The NYC and DC offices O'Keefe did not bring up the child prostitutes.

          In Philadelphia Acorn reported them to the police.

          In LA the acorn rep tried to get the woman to go to a woman's shelter, which apparently torpedoed O'Keefe's attempt.

          Philadelphia and LA are the two O'Keefe did not release the videos for.

          IOW, Acorn had one office went bad, and were fired. All the others did *NOT* try to help O'Keefe in his child prostitution business. Two called the police on him, two he did not mention child prostitution, and one tried to help his girlfriend escape prostitution.

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          • Author by RKAllen (September 26, 2009 7:46 pm ET)
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            Very concise and excellent post. Thank you.
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          • Author by DellDolly (September 27, 2009 2:36 am ET)
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            Thanks Bob. Come back and visit us anytime you have the time to debunk false charges against ACORN or on other topics too!
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    • Author by juliajayne1 (September 24, 2009 10:23 pm ET)
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      I'll be interested to see what the conclusion of this is, once all the facts have been collected and analyzed. I just knew this story, and these videographers smelled, from the first mention of the story that there was "sweeping corruption" at ACORN with video(s) as proof. But then I do like to take the long views of these things.

      And although ACORN does apparently have some housekeeping, reorganization, etc. to do, this all seems like "much ado about nothing", vis a vis some of the real and breathtaking scandals that could and should be focused on.

      But alas, helping working families, the poor and disenfranchised is seen as anathema to the current crop of conservatives who see poor people as the enemy.

      Call me quirky, but it just seems like some people's priority towards their fellow humans and countrymen/women is a tad skewed, cynical and downright mean spirited. Not to mention a smidge atnithetical to their own supposed religious values.
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      • Author by juliajayne1 (September 24, 2009 10:26 pm ET)
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        atnithetical

        s/b antithetical

        I'm so very contrite ;-)
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      • Author by Socrates (September 25, 2009 2:28 am ET)
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        ACORN probably has some good people working for them doing good deeds. It is unfortunate that those stories do not balance out the: unacceptable behavior on the videos, the voter registration fraud, and the Rathke Bro's theif and cover up.

        The problem with ACORN may be in their inability to self-govern and promote the philosophy of doing the right thing even when no one's looking...because someone may be.

        Currently, ACORN's leadership is unworthy to recieve our support. Discrediting the messengers will not change the facts.
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        • Author by juliajayne1 (September 25, 2009 6:10 pm ET)
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          You do know that when it was discovered that the founder's brother was stealing, they got rid of said founder, right? You do also know that the other low level employees were also fired? And you do also understand that there was no voter registration fraud that was actually prosecuted, because ACORN turned in themselves, as they're supposed to do.

          The organization has had some obvious growing pains and has some housekeeping to do. But this so called huge scandal is actually pretty dinky.

          So maybe you should quit drinking the kool aid, think for yourself, and try to grasp the bigger picture of exactly why ACORN is being targeted.
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          • Author by fairliberal (September 25, 2009 8:06 pm ET)
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            I think the only kool aid is in your veins. Acorn is a corrupt criminal enterprise, more and more evidence is emerging day in and day out. Now it is being shown that they have been diverting taxpayer money for political purposes. They should all be locked up and prosecuted under the RICO laws.
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            • Author by juliajayne1 (September 25, 2009 8:46 pm ET)
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              Yeah, so you keep saying. You have that paragraph on a continual loop, I understand that's all ya got.
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              • Author by fairliberal (September 25, 2009 10:14 pm ET)
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                That's all I have? the diversion of taxpayer funds is new. I guess it is just more evidence that you will ignore. Obama and acorn, change we can believe in.
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            • Author by DellDolly (September 27, 2009 2:38 am ET)
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              Yeah, you need to stop visiting Karl Rove's office and letting him put that tape thingy in your brain. There's no evidence of a "remarkable criminal enterprise", as Rove put it.

              And repeating it ad infinitum won't make it true.
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        • Author by cokids (September 26, 2009 11:30 am ET)
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          Socrates said, "Currently, ACORN's leadership is unworthy to recieve our support. Discrediting the messengers will not change the facts."

          I guess that fraud is upsetting to him/her? Well, perhaps it's time we looked into the fraud of our military contractors as well? Halliburton received in ONE DAY what ACORN earned in 20 years in govt funds!! What's good for the goose is good for the gander? Maybe we should cut them loose as we do with ACORN? If not, why the double standard?

          Fraud is fraud, right? We abhor it all? Right?
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 25, 2009 9:12 am ET)
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        I'll be interested to see what the conclusion of this is, once all the facts have been collected and analyzed.

        Maybe we should demand a congressional investigation or independant prosecutor?

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        Conservative over-reach once again
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    • Author by pilotx (September 24, 2009 11:12 pm ET)
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      It won't matter what comes out of an investigation or law suit the damage has already been done. ACORN lost funding and the organization has been smeared and the GOP sent a message to any group that has any ideas about helping inner city residents register to vote. This is about 2010 and 2012. Didn't work in 2008 because Obama was running but they'll make sure it doesn't happen again. I mean what was done about voter supression in 2000? Nothing.
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 25, 2009 7:59 am ET)
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        ACORN only lost a very small part of their funding (something akin to 3-4 million per year), which they can make up with other sources of funding, or donations. ACORN isn't going anywhere, they'll still be a burr up the GOP's butt for a long time to come.

        I think, if these 2 "journalists" had taken these videos, then showed them to ACORN leadership, asked for comment, wrote and showed the story, and included ALL of the pertinent facts (as in, they went to "X" number of offices, and got these results), it would be a lot more viable as a story. As such, they did it the wrong way, good thing Giles went to conservative journalism school to learn how to manipulate, and not tell the entire story, which of course would have ruined their entire argument.
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        • Author by Eric Jaffa (September 25, 2009 9:02 am ET)
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          ACORN may get less money in donations on account of the scandal, regardless of the scandal being a scam in which workers were trying to help a girl who pretended to be a prostitute who was abused by a pimp.
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          • Author by manndan (September 25, 2009 11:44 am ET)
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            Don't bet on it. The outcry against the Breitbart affair may have just garnered Acorn donations from the public.
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            • Author by kydem09 (September 25, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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              Anyone donating to ACORN at this point must be an idiot. Even Barney Frank says they don't deserve anymore funding at this point because of their shady history.
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              • Author by fairliberal (September 25, 2009 10:18 pm ET)
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                Frank may be a liar but he is no dope, he knows when it is time to jump ship.
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              • Author by yoremop (September 25, 2009 10:20 pm ET)
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                Shady history? A few cases of voter registration fraud? Signing up a few extra people who never did vote? If you want to talk about government sponsored/contractor fraud, lets talk about Haliburton. Better yet, how about Blackwater who got $53 million a day to rape and kill Iraqis. Compare that to #53 million for the past TEN years for ACORN.
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              • Author by cokids (September 26, 2009 11:32 am ET)
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                Wonder if Barney Frank has the same disdain for fraud and shade when it's sitting at GE, Raytheon and Northrup Grumman? Do YOU?
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          • Author by rumpleteasermom (September 25, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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            Don't count on that. I've never donated to ACORN before and in fact I don't have a lot to donate anywhere, but I am considering sending what I can their way. I encourage others to do the same.
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            • Author by fairliberal (September 25, 2009 8:49 pm ET)
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              And that says a lot about your values, giving money to an organization that stands prepared to assist others in the importation of teen sex slaves. And will give then tax advice on how to do it cost effectively. And advise then on the best places on the border to sneak the sex slaves in. What a fine group. Dream on all you want, acorn is toast.
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    • Author by tallyho1 (September 25, 2009 3:07 am ET)
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      The LA TIMES is a left wing Rag!!!!!
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    • Author by captfoster2 (September 25, 2009 7:55 am ET)
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      While it may be true that a few ACORN knuckleheads fell for this 'pimp and prostitute' crap and actually meant to go out of their way to help 'set up' a ring...

      I'm still awaiting the proof that ACORN itself went out of its way to make prostitution its new mission statement!

      Until then, this is a clear case of the lunatic right-wing using their favorite tactic... Guilt by association!

      And I'm pretty damn sure that at some point, it will become apparent that James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles will have been found to have done something illegal (or is that the case already and I've simply missed this part?) and may find themselves in huge legal??
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      • Author by SAR (September 25, 2009 8:30 am ET)
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        It's already the case. On several states they pulled this stunt, it's illegal to videotape without consent.

        The best way to shut right wing lunatics from this tactic is by turning it on them.
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      • Author by kydem09 (September 25, 2009 3:00 pm ET)
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        Let's see, embezzlement to the tune of nearly $1M that was hidden from the board of directors; voter registration fraud; diversion of funds from ACORN Housing to other arms of ACORN to be used for political purposes; advising people on how to commit bank, mortgage and tax fraud; and the unlawful firing of whistleblowers. Doesn't sound like guilt by association to me.
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        • Author by juliajayne1 (September 25, 2009 6:12 pm ET)
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          Read my post above. It debunks just about "every" point you made.
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          • Author by fairliberal (September 25, 2009 8:53 pm ET)
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            "Read my post above. It debunks just about "every" point you made. "

            Obviously you don't believe your own eyes and ears. Unless of course it is evidence against someone on the right. Luckily even the dems who control Congress are not as naive as you.

            What flavor kool aid would you like next?
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            • Author by juliajayne1 (September 25, 2009 9:10 pm ET)
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              What's that prove except the Dems are picking their battles. You still don't prove any vast corruption organizationally. Except in your mind. But keep looking at dinky scandals as opposed to the breathtaking scandals that should/could be investigated. That's what the power brokers want you to do. And you fall right in line.

              Hey Faux Liberal......look over there! Ha!
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              • Author by fairliberal (September 25, 2009 10:24 pm ET)
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                No it shows that they know a losing battle when they see one, give them credit for that. Of course there were 80+ idiots that voted to continue to fund acorn. The voters will not forget that.
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                • Author by juliajayne1 (September 25, 2009 11:06 pm ET)
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                  I guess you've never seen a big picture that you like, eh? Keep concentrating on that tree.
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    • Author by Henk_sg (September 25, 2009 9:43 am ET)
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      Well thank God we have reasonable Congress people who carefully looked at all the evidence and didn't do anything rash based on wing-nut hype!

      Oh yeah...well at least the carefully weighed the measures in the bill to be sure nothing unintended was done.

      Oops again.
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/24/the-unintended-consequenc_n_298540.html

      Politicians are such jackasses.


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    • Author by TX (September 25, 2009 10:28 am ET)
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      Regardless if there were offices that refused to help them (which has been reported by the way) -- it's the FACT that MULTIPLE offices in different cities provided "helpful" hints to how to defraud the government, lie on their tax returns, etc. They didn't even need to THINK about how to try and defraud the governement, they could provide the help without batting an eye - makes me wonder how many other people they have "helped" that weren't caught on tape! I think everyone who has received a loan through ACORN should be reviewed to see if they are lying about their status, their taxes, etc. It's about time this organization was investigated, bring it on! We are going to find out much more about this corrupt organization, which will end up being another embarrasment to the left.

      On another note - I find it hilarious that this website is dedicated to what FOX NEWS is doing. C'mon! Can you do your own research or scoop your own stories? Geeze -- on the front page of this website alone, Fox News, Beck or Hannity are mentioned an astounding 40 TIMES!!!!
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      • Author by ozett (September 25, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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        The stated mission of Media Matters is to expose conservative misinformation, and you're surprised that Fox pundits are regularly covered on the site? Have you ever watched Fox?
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        • Author by TX (September 25, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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          I watch Fox News all the time. I find it funny that Fox News actually talks about the news that is going on, while this site only talks about Fox News.
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      • Author by cokids (September 26, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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        Yes, and let's investigate the govt contractors who pull in millions in govt funds each year...while we're at it? Wonder how many $600.00 toilet seats we've bought recently? Why do we pay private contractors thousands of dollars for their workers to do what soldiers used to do for MUCH less? Govt money is attractive no matter WHO you are!
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    • Author by Waring (September 25, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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      Well I always knew that if you don't succeed you should keep on trying but I didn't know if that didn't work it was time to cheat and lie.
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    • Author by philaprod (September 25, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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      I always thought it was funny that Breitbart and Fox “News” introduced these villains with the elevated title of “filmmakers” and the obliging media ran with the moniker. Don’t you have to actually make a film before you can be called a filmmaker? Somehow hiding a cheap video camera under your pimp hat doesn’t seem to qualify. I noticed Media Matters has begun referring to them as videographers. This is accurate and kind of says, “I know Michael Moore, and you, sir, are no Michael Moore.”
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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (September 25, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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        I'm still not hearing any of these clusterfox fools say word one about banning Catholic Charities from federal funding eligibility for this:

        9/18/2009
        In Brief: If You're Gonna Ban ACORN Funding, You Oughta Ban Catholic Charities Funding:
        Some things are easy to put in perspective: We have a case in Albany, NY, where Catholic Charities funds were used as part of a settlement on a case of molestation by clergy. In Cleveland in 2002, at a Catholic Charities-supported child care center, five workers were arrested on charges of sexual abuse of children. The number of cases of molestation by workers, of the cloth or not, at Catholic Charities-run or -owned facilities could go on and on and on, as the abuse did for years.

        In August of this year, Catholic Charities received a federal government contract for $100 million over five years to work with victims of natural disasters.

        And the outrage is...where exactly?

        // posted by Rude One @ 12:17 PM| DiggIt!| Del.icio.us|
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        • Author by yoremop (September 25, 2009 10:16 pm ET)
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          When I first saw these vidoos and the teencie pointed chin on this bad Halloween "pimp" I knew that he was a neocon setup artist. She might just get her job on Fox someday too. What freaks me out is how both houses of Congress washed their hands on ACORN so fast, just goes to show you how interested they are in keeping their seats, even before the facts come out. ACORN got $53 million over ten years. Compare that to other government contractors (can you say Haliburton, Blackwater?) and they received mere pennies to help poor people do their taxes and apply for housing. I think the tapes were doctored especially by ommiision of segments. We may never know. ACORN had some issues with voter registration. I wonder why when they are featured on FOX we always only see blacks chanting? Could it be fear?
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        • Author by cokids (September 26, 2009 11:48 am ET)
             
          And not only Catholic Charities! The bill that defunded ACORN, defunded any organization that took federal dollars and committed fraud. I think we could include many companies in that list!! GE, Raytheon, Northrup Grumman, Catholic Charities and more? Question is, "Do we want to do that?" Or are we discrimintory against people of color and the poor? Does it bother us more when a companies that serves the poor commits fraud?

          Does it bother us to privatize jobs in the military and farm them out to companies that charge us huge fees AND commit fraud?
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        • Author by ProgressiveObserver (September 27, 2009 10:49 am ET)
             
          Unless both Democrats and Republicans wanted an excuse to destroy ACORN because neither gang, with the exception of some authentic progressives, wants to face the real voters ACORN helped organize and empower; preferring to do the bidding of the Directors and major stockholders and their corporate "persons" that are not alive but have more liberties than real Americans and cannot purse happiness but can give it away in the form of political donations.
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    • Author by charleyjames1057 (September 26, 2009 9:23 am ET)
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      Fortunately, the ACORN defunding measure will go nowhere because it violates a provision of the Constitution prohibiting "bills of attainder."

      As Rachel Maddow pointed out Friday night, the Constitution prohibits laws that target specific individuals (and corporations, even non-profit ones, are considered "individuals" under the law). Since the law as passed bans funding any organization that's involved in fraud and illegal activities, this means that federal contracts to KBR, Halliburton, Blackwater, and a long list of others who've been convicted or plead guilty to such crimes.

      Finally, we may have a way to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      In any event, as the Los Angeles Times has been documenting over the past few days - but, for some reason, other MSM have avoided covering as an Occidental College study reveals - the putative scandal regarding ACORN has been little more than a right-wing attempt to smear and slander a community group that does nefarious things like provide legal aid to the poor, file lawsuits against usurious lenders who prey on the poor through things such as payday loans, fight slum landlords and engage in voter registration.

      Remember, it was the Bush White House that fired US Attorneys who refused to launch frivilous investigations of voter registration fraud by organizations such as ACORN. This latest smear job by two con artists is just the latest attempt of the right wingnuts to deal with political opponents.
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    • Author by Maximus5757 (September 27, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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      The article tries to distract us from the point. ACORN receives millions in Government funds and has been caught numerous times committing voter fraud and other questionable activities. ACORN with the help of Government funds elected this amateur President that we are stuck with for the next 3 years.
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