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Fox News Sunday falsely portrays military as uniformly behind sending more troops to Afghanistan

September 27, 2009 4:05 pm ET — 14 Comments

Fox News' Chris Wallace presented the military as uniformly behind U.S. commander in Afghanistan Gen. Stanley McChrystal's reported request for additional military forces, opposed only by civilian administration officials such as Vice President Joe Biden. But the Army chief of staff and other military officials have reportedly expressed doubts about sending more troops to Afghanistan.

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Wallace sets up debate over troop increase as Mullen, McChrystal, and Petraeus vs. Biden and unnamed others

From the September 27 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:

WALLACE: Let me -- let's talk, Charles, about the merits of this debate. You've got McChrystal; you've got General [David] Petraeus, the author of the surge and now the head of Central Command; you've got Admiral [Mike] Mullen, who is the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They all apparently support a beefed-up counterinsurgency in Afghanistan, what McChrystal is calling for, like a surge in Iraq.

And then you have on the other side -- and not just him, but Joe Biden, who wants a scaled-back presence on the ground, and more counter-terrorism, as Mara was saying: drones, Special Forces over the border in Afghan -- in Pakistan. Who's right?

Military officials reportedly have concerns about sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan

NY Times: "[T]he military is not monolithic in support"; Army chief of staff, Powell "concern[ed]," "expressed skepticism." A September 27 New York Times article reported, "As President Obama weighs sending more troops to Afghanistan, one of the most consequential decisions of his presidency, he has discovered that the military is not monolithic in support of the plan and that some of the civilian advisers he respects most have deep reservations." The Times article further reported that McChrystal's request "has reignited a longstanding debate within the military about the virtues of the counterinsurgency strategy popularized by Gen. David H. Petraeus in Iraq and now embraced by General McChrystal, the top American and NATO commander in Afghanistan." The article went on to report:

General McChrystal is expected to ask for as many as 40,000 additional troops for the eight-year-old war, a number that has generated concern among top officers like Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the Army chief of staff, who worry about the capacity to provide more soldiers at a time of stress on the force, officials said.

The competing advice and concerns fuel a pivotal struggle to shape the president's thinking about a war that he inherited but may come to define his tenure. Among the most important outside voices has been that of former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, a retired four-star Army general, who visited Mr. Obama in the Oval Office this month and expressed skepticism that more troops would guarantee success. According to people briefed on the discussion, Mr. Powell reminded the president of his longstanding view that military missions should be clearly defined.

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Admiral Mullen has endorsed the idea of more troops and will be at the table representing the military. General McChrystal and ambassadors from the region will get a chance to participate in meetings with the president through a secure video hookup.

Other officers, who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan and say they admire General McChrystal nonetheless, have privately expressed doubt that additional troops will make a difference. Others question the broader impact of such a buildup on the overall armed forces. [New York Times, 9/27/2009]

McClatchy: Pentagon "sharply divided" with "much, but not all, of the uniformed military lined up behind" McChrystal. "The Pentagon itself is sharply divided over what to do, said several defense officials who weren't authorized to speak publicly and requested anonymity, with much, but not all, of the uniformed military lined up behind Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the commander of U.S. troops in Afghanistan. McChrystal wrote the leaked memo, but top policy advisers such as Deputy Secretary of Defense Michele Flournoy oppose his plan. Some senior officers also are concerned that sending more troops to Afghanistan would add to the already severe strains on an Army and Marine Corps from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan." ["More U.S. troops to Afghanistan? Obama's caught in a vise," McClatchy Newspapers, 9/21/2009]

Transcript

From the September 27 broadcast of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:

WALLACE: Let me -- let's talk, Charles, about the merits of this debate. You've got McChrystal; you've got General Petraeus, the author of the surge and now the head of Central Command; you've got Admiral Mullen, who is the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They all apparently support a beefed-up counterinsurgency in Afghanistan, what McChrystal is calling for, like a surge in Iraq.

And then you have on the other side -- and not just him, but Joe Biden, who wants a scaled-back presence on the ground, and more counter-terrorism, as Mara was saying: drones, Special Forces over the border in Afghan -- in Pakistan. Who's right?

KRAUTHAMMER: Well, you've got the Sage of Wilmington, the man who wanted Iraq split into three, arguing for a surgical strike policy. Here is the irony and the problem: McChrystal is the world's expert on this. He conducted exactly these surgical strikes, the late-night raids on Al Qaeda in Iraq for four years. If there is anybody who knows this -- and he was extremely successful, he killed hundreds of bad guys -- if there's anybody on the planet who knows how to do it, who knows all about it, knows its potential and limitations, it's McChrystal. And he's the guy who says it can't be done. He's the guy who says, unless we have the counter-insurgency strategy, boots on the ground, protect the population, like the surge in Iraq, we will not succeed. So when I hear the vice president, with his vast experience in this area, give the counterargument, I think I know which way I want to go.

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't know why the need to sort of insult Vice President Biden. The man was head of Foreign Relations, he has extensive, in fact, experience in this arena. But I would point out that this is a moment when you need to take stock -- I disagree with [panelist] Dana [Perino] this isn't about repudiating the counterinsurgency strategy, I think the president is saying let's look at this. The only voices that you're hearing, the only voices that appeared on the screen a minute ago, were voices from the defense, military, saying yes, we want more boots on the ground. They always want more boots on the ground. They want to overwhelm. I mean, go back to the Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force. But what you're hearing from Vice President Biden and -- you might not like this, but the politics here come into play, the politics of the moment from the American people is we are war-weary after what took place in Iraq. So let's make sure --

WALLACE We were war-weary in Iraq, and the surge --

WILLIAMS: Exactly.

WALLACE: -- ended up turning things around.

WILLIAMS: Right. But the question is, are the American people going to support this -- remember, we've been in Afghanistan eight years. What do we have to show for it? Look at the history of other countries that have gone into Afghanistan and tried to do what we're talking about. It's not a happy picture. So the question is, is President Obama content in sending, as he just said, young people into that arena with any confidence to say to their parents, "This is something we are committed to over time"? This is a war we've got to win. We've got to beat back the Taliban, because the Taliban re-establishes --

WALLACE: And are you convinced counter-terrorism -- General Williams, are you convinced that counter-terrorism -- no, I'm not making fun of you, but are you convinced that counter-terrorism is going to win?

WILLIAMS: The counter-terrorism --

WALLACE: As opposed to counter-insurgency.

WILLIAMS: No, I'm not convinced anyone would win, but -- any one of those strategies. But I think it's good that the president would stop at this juncture instead of simply saying, "Yes, send 40,000 more people into that theater." No, let's stop and think because everybody's talking Vietnam as the analogy of the moment. Are we simply going to say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, just unload with troops"?

WALLACE: I will try again. Final 20 seconds, Mr. Krauthammer.

KRAUTHAMMER: But agonizing in public is not a correct response. If he wants to end the war or leave the war, he should explain it and do it. But agonizing and mulling in public with our allies wavering and people on the ground wondering about our policy is the worst way to go about it.

WALLACE: Thank you, panel. See you next week.

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    • Author by rtejon (September 27, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
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      As I understand it, McChrystal's own report speaks to the whole "hearts and minds" thing that comes with every counter-insurgency operation and notes that additional force will not be enough in and of itself. Contrary to how Fox may characterize it for their audience, this is not another "surge" proposal.
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 27, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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      You know, someone should point blank just ask FoxNews Channel and it's Group i.e. Chris Wallace, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Brian K., Gretchen C., Steve Doocey, etc. etc. why they need to "create" lies with half truths to report on their shows 24/7 in opposing Pres. Obama, Obama's Administration and all Democrats. For months now, these people at FoxNews Channel have "smeared" Pres. Obama, Obama's Administration and Democrats with the News Media "only" reporting on the "smears" as if they are truths, why? Are ratings more powerful than truths? FoxNews Channel is just "shameful".
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      • Author by Ed Moffett (September 27, 2009 10:18 pm ET)
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        Fox News makes money by drawing in an audience, not by being truthful.

        About 45% of voting Americans, 58 million voters, voted against Obama last year. If Fox can capture even just 5% to 10% of that potential audience, it is a huge audience for a cable network.


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        • Author by ScienceBuff (September 28, 2009 10:10 am ET)
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          Right now they're capturing about 3.5% of that group on an average evening. That's right, Faux Snooze is capturing well under 5% of the core group that is most likely to watch them. I think a lot of people simply overestimate the total viewership of non-network news channels.

          With dedicated conservatives loyally hitching their wagons to Faux and liberals dividing their attention between MSNBC, the more evenly balanced broadcasts of CNN and the major networks, and other sources, it's not that surprising that Faux rates better in the small world of dedicated news channels.
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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (September 28, 2009 7:45 pm ET)
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        smarshall what FOX NEWS exhists for is to smear and discredit PRESIDENT OBAMA and all DEMOCRATS. FOX specializes in PROPAGANDA.
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    • Author by Soapm (September 27, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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      It's easy to say "send more troops" when you're sitting in the cheap seats. And I've never seen a general who didn't want more troops. The GOP knows sending more troops without clear cause will put Obama at odds with the far left of his party. That is the only reason you see such vocal support for the generals request.

      When will America start telling the GOP to shut up since they can careless about the country? Their entire agenda is about getting back in power. They don't care if that means American's dying because of no health care, sending 40K more of our youth to die in a foreign land or if the entire nation was to implode. They are for it as long as it leads to them getting back in power.

      The Afghan government is corrupt and the people are afraid to take our hand for fear that government will retaliate and they know the Taliban is coming back once we leave. I believe trying to make the Afghani people responsible for their own security is a lost cause so we need to rethink this thing. Do we commit to being security in Afghanistan forever or do we settle for a posture which will keep the terrorist off balance.

      I wish Obama well with this decision...
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    • Author by jmille426471 (September 28, 2009 7:57 am ET)
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      Right after the beginning of the Iraq war, Mr. Krauthammer was indicating that Afghanistan simply wasn't as important as Iraq and that it may not be that big a deal if Afghanistan goes to hell, as long as Iraq turns out fine.

      Not only is Krauthammer another worthless jingo who cheers on wars from his hotel sweet, he is a blithering moron who has been wrong about every major event in the past ten years.

      And yet he gets a column in the Washington post and gets treated like an expert on many networks.

      There goes that liberal media that cons whine incessantly about no matter what happens.
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    • Author by wesley (September 28, 2009 9:02 am ET)
         
      Pres.Obama was very clear that we need to ramp up the effort in Afghanistan while on the campaign stump.

      -- We need more troops. The situation is getting worse....every intelligence agency will acknowledge that al Qaeda is the greatest threat against the US, and that the place where we have to deal with these folks is in Afghanistan and Pakistan. -- Sep08

      Here's what he had to say when asked, "Would you, as president, be willing to have a military surge in Afghanistan in order to, once and for all, eliminate the Taliban?

      -- Yes. I think that's what we need. I think we need more troops there, I think we need to do a better job of reconstruction there. I think we have to be focused on Afghanistan. -- May08

      -- One of the things that I think is critical, as the next president, is to make absolutely certain that we not only phase out the Iraq but we also focus on the critical battle that we have in Afghanistan and root out al Qaeda. If we do not do that, then we're going to potentially see another attack here in the US. -- June07

      -- Afghanistan is an area where we should be focusing...we have not finished the job in terms of making certain that we are driving back the Taliban -- Apr07

      While I can appreciate caution it's time for Pres.Obama to lead. The campaign is over and it's time for him to deliver with action...not more campaign speeches.
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (September 28, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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        All of that is only peripherally relevant to the topic of the article. It's being stated that the entire military leadership backs a certain policy when the reality is that there is disagreement on it.

        Disregarding your off-topic comments, Obama has moved to increase our military presence in Afghanistan and is willing to discuss ideas on how our occupation of the country can be handled better than it has been to date. How is he not addressing his campaign promises? Because he hasn't waved his magic wand to instantaneously change everything?
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        • Author by wesley (September 28, 2009 11:55 am ET)
             
          Pres.Obama has repeatedly called for increased troop levels and has stated his support for a surge in Afghanistan...exactly as McChrystal has called for...putting him at odds with those dissenters cited by mmfa.

          That is the case...unless his feet are getting a little cold when he has to actually act on the campaign rhetoric sold to the public.
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          • Author by ScienceBuff (September 28, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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            But the only issue of the MMFA article was whether the dissenters existed. Who does or doesn't agree with them was irrelevant.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (September 29, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
               
            I do not know what the answer in Afghanistan is. I think we, as a country, need to decide how much we are willing to lose to attempt to get to the point where we can claim any kind of a "victory". This looks very difficult to me. And, now the generals running the show seem to be admitting that all the wrong decisions we have made over the last 8 years there have only made the outcome that much more difficult. Or, for all the life and treasure we have spent we are almost back at the beginning.

            I hope Obama has some "cold feet" before choosing his course there. This decision may not only affect the course of our diplomacy in the world for the next decade, but also decide the fate for thousands of young men and women from a generation that has already given up far too much, in lives and injuries, due to negligence from the top. As I said, I am not sure which decision is the "correct" one, but I do know that we should NOT be listening to the same fools (Krauthammer, Kristol, etc.) that urged us to take our eyes off of the Taliban for the disaster that was Irag in the first place. I do know that they need to shut up and sit down for this one. Their lack of knowledge has become evident.
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