Military coup fantasy is latest in trend of extremist right-wing rhetoric
Continuing a trend of increasingly violent and revolutionary rhetoric advanced by conservative media figures, Newsmax columnist John Perry wrote that President Obama "is inviting" a military coup and detailed the reasons he said officers might support such a "[m]ilitary intervention" with the end result being one in which "[s]killed, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars." On the same day, radio host Jim Quinn told armed service members to "run for your life, get out," because Obama "is gonna get you killed."
Perry, Quinn latest to engage in extremist, revolutionary right-wing rhetoric
Newsmax columnist John Perry asserts Obama "is inviting" a "[m]ilitary intervention." Perry wrote, "There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the 'Obama problem.' Don't dismiss it as unrealistic." He added:
Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?
Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.
Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible. [Newsmax.com, 9/29/09]
Jim Quinn tells U.S. troops: Obama "is gonna get you killed." Discussing rules of engagement in Afghanistan, Quinn stated on his radio show, "The only reason you put military anywhere is to win and win as quickly as you can, as ruthlessly as you can, because mercifully it will be over quick, instead of turning it into a meat grinder. I'm looking at -- guys, look, I love you all who go over there and serve, but I gotta tell you right now, run for your life, get out, this guy is gonna get you killed. Man, these people are scary." [Clear Channel's The War Room with Quinn & Rose, 9/29/09]
Conservative media increasingly preach rhetoric of violence, revolution
Media Matters for America has previously noted that since Obama's inauguration, conservative media figures have made ominous, even apocalyptic claims about the impact policies pursued by Obama and other progressives might have on the United States and have unleashed violent and revolutionary rhetoric. For instance:
Beck speaks for one third of the nation: "[Y]ou will have to shoot me in the forehead before you take away my gun" and "before I acquiesce and be silent." During the July 30 edition of his radio show, Beck warned "ACORN, GE, Obama, SEIU" that "you are awakening a sleeping giant, and I have nothing to do with it" and that "America is waking up. You know the American Revolution took place with 12 percent of the population? Twelve. Are you telling me there is not 30 percent of this population that you will have to shoot me in the forehead before I let somebody into my house to tell me how to raise my children; you will have to shoot me in the forehead before you take away my gun; you will have to shoot me in the forehead before I acquiesce and be silent." Beck further stated:
They cannot move on these things, because they are building a machine that will crush the entrepreneurial sprit and the freedom that our Founding Fathers designed. This machine, whatever it is they are building, will crush it. Do not let them build another piece.
So while I turn away, I want to make sure that I have at least 10 million eyes watching -- watching every single move they are making.
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We know why they're doing what they're doing. You need to do what you need to do, and as long as that is peaceful, we will save our country. [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 7/30/09]
Beck: "This game is for keeps"; "[Y]ou can shoot me in the head ... but there will be 10 others that line up." Asking his audience to "pray for protection," Beck claimed that "the most powerful people on the planet on the left" were "not going to go away easy" because "[t]his game is for keeps. This is who controls the United States of America and its destiny." He went on to state, "Just pray for protection, please." Beck subsequently stated:
You can try to put the lid on this group of people, but you will never silence us. You will never -- you can shoot me in the head, you can shoot the next guy in the head, but there will be 10 others that line up. And it may not happen today, it may not happen next week, but freedom will be restored in this land. Period. And no matter what you want to call it, it is a totalitarian state that you're headed towards. [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/08/09]
Beck: "There is a coup going on. There is a stealing of America." During the August 31 edition of his radio show, Beck stated that "there is a revolution, and they think they can get away with it quietly." Beck further claimed, "At this point, gang, I'm not sure, they may be able to because they are so far ahead of us. They know what they're dealing against; most of America does not yet. Most of America doesn't have a clue as to what's going on. There is a coup going on. There is a stealing of America, and the way it is done, it has been done through the -- the guise of an election, but they lied to us the entire time." He also said, "And they're gonna say, 'we did it democratically,' and they are going to grab power every way they can. And God help us in an emergency." [The Glenn Beck Program, 8/31/09]
Morris: "Those crazies ... who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents' " are "beginning to have a case." During the March 31 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto, while discussing Obama's foreign and economic policies, Fox News contributor Dick Morris said: "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case." [Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto, 3/31/09]
RedState's Erickson: "At what point do the people ... march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp?" In a March 31 post on RedState.com, while discussing a Washington county's ban on certain kinds of dishwasher detergent, managing editor Erick Erickson wrote of politicians: "At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?" Erickson later added: "Were I in Washington State, I'd be cleaning my gun right about now waiting to protect my property from the coming riots or the government apparatchiks coming to enforce nonsensical legislation." [RedState.com, 3/31/09]
Savage: "We're going to have a revolution in this country"; "These people are pushing the wrong people around." Michael Savage discussed multiculturalism and predicted, "This is not going to go on in this country much longer. We're going to have a revolution in this country if this keeps up. These people are pushing the wrong people around." Savage further said that "the rage has reached a boil. If they keep pushing us around, and if we keep having these schmucks running for office catering to the multicultural people who are destroying the culture of this country ... guaranteed the people -- the white male in particular." He continued:
Let me talk specifically. The white male in particular -- the one without connections, the one without money -- has nothing to lose, and you haven't seen him yet. You haven't seen him explode in this country, and he's still a majority, by the way. In case you don't know it. He is still the majority. No one speaks for him. Everyone craps on him. People use him for cannon fodder. And he has no voice whatsoever. He has nobody speaking for him.
So he goes to these extreme fighting events. Take a look at them, and you'll see what the white male is capable of. And you're going to find out that if you keep pushing this country around, you'll find out that there's an ugly side to the white male that has been suppressed for probably 30 years right now, but it really has never gone away.[Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation, 8/21/09]
Quinn calls for "riots": "Our country was built on revolution, and it's about time we took it back." Discussing health care reform, Jim Quinn stated, "You have got to say no to this, and if they push this through, you need to riot in the streets. You need to riot in the streets." He further said, "Our country was built on revolution and it's about time we took it back. These people are dangerous," and "It's about time to put an end to this leftist control of this country, and if a revolution is what it takes, damn it , then that's what it's going to take, because liberty will not be denied." [The War Room with Quinn and Rose, 9/10/09]
Limbaugh: Obama "inciting violence" at town hall protests, "armying up" with "union bigshots", "tort lawyers" Rush Limbaugh claimed that "public sector union bigshots and the tort lawyers" were "the people that Obama is armying up with. These are the people Obama is marshalling to prevent you from engaging in the democratic process while saying you're sabotaging it. No incidents of violence [at the August town hall protests] until Obama's crowd showed up." Limbaugh further claimed that Obama was "inciting violence." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show, 8/7/09]
Chuck Norris in WND: "[W]hen that time comes ... will history need to record a second American Revolution?" In a March 9 column for WorldNetDaily, actor and political activist Chuck Norris wrote: "How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the authority according to America's Declaration of Independence." Norris also wrote, "On Glenn Beck's radio show last week, I quipped in response to our wayward federal government, 'I may run for president of Texas.' That need may be a reality sooner than we think." [WorldNetDaily, 3/9/09]
Beck pours gasoline on "average American," asks, "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire?" During the April 9 edition of his Fox News program, Glenn Beck claimed to be imitating Obama while pouring liquid from a gasoline can -- which he later stated was water -- on an "average American." Beck said during his demonstration: "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? ... We didn't vote to lose the republic."[Fox News' Glenn Beck, 4/9/09]
Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires, suggests "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." During the March 30 edition his Fox News program, Beck aired a graphic portraying Obama and Democrats as vampires and said, "The government is full of vampires, and they are trying to suck the lifeblood out of the economy." Beck then suggested "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." [Glenn Beck, 3/30/09]
Hannity "inspired" by Bachmann's call for "orderly revolution": "[A]s they attack you, you're going to have conservatives like myself in your corner." During the March 25 edition of Sean Hannity's radio program, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) told Hannity she is calling for "an orderly revolution" so that Democrats can't "achieve their ends any longer." In response to Bachmann's statement, Hannity said: "Well, I'm inspired by what you're saying, Congresswoman, and I only hope that your fellow Republicans get as energetic and as outspoken as you are here." At the conclusion of the interview, Hannity encouraged Bachmann to "keep going, and I promise you, as they attack you, you're going to have conservatives like myself in your corner, I promise you." Hannity then added: "Boy, that was inspiring." [ABC Radio Networks' The Sean Hannity Show, 3/25/09]
I think there needs to be a few prosecutions.
Sorry, I don't fall for that stuff. Sedition is a prosecutable offense.
I beg to differ ... it's call conspiracy and it is prosecutable.
I consider myself a centrist, leaning a bit left socially and a bit right on defense, law/order and economic politics.
I also consider myself a reasonable person who doesn't get all excited because I'm sooo easily offended, easily scared, or have some other kind of agenda to take people whose views I disagree with and hold their feet to the fire and/or smear them.
I've defended, several times, some of the GOP and right-leaners that are posted about on MMfA, and I will continue to do so if I think assumptions made about them or their comments are outlandish and false.
HOWEVER,
Whether I woke up today more liberal or if this post was finally the one that got to me, I see true insinuations of 1. the current gov threatens violence against us and 2. violence against them and their supporters and agents is OK and justifiable.
This is wrong, and hurtful to our great representative democracy and free land.
Until our natural and civil rights are truly taken away permanently, violence is not justified, and even then, likely not the best immediate option. I do truly believe that Jefferson was right when he made his comments about the Tree of Liberty, but we are so far removed from that situation, I think it's not really pertinent at this time. Get back to me when Obama starts wearing red, takes over a bunch of TV and radio stations and nationalizes most of the industries.
The 1st instance of an organized group of domestic terrorists who really are representative of average teabagger and not as fringe/crazy as those who have shown up in our recent past (sorry, but the museum shooter was KKK, and OKC was bombed well before today was even a glimmer in the eye), I will be at the head of the crowd to remove the likes of Beck, Morris, Quinn, and Savage.
Mea Culpa.
(I'm even down for the public option! Just bink me for a small surcharge based on how likely I am to get so sick/messed up/financially insolvent that i'll need to use it even with my purchase of private insurance, and then deregulate private so it's even more affordable and accessible!)
Gundy? Are you referring to Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi? Another hero of the GOP? Come on now, we are not fools.
What has the left done in this country that has veered us away from the Constitution? Do you even have one example? I keep hearing this, and yet, you've got, well, nothing.
Nobody is talking about the government taking over national healthcare. Repeat, nobody. There was a plan, that was defeated, that would have put forth a government option in amongst the private plans. That's not taking over.
There should have been an adult, rational conversation about the idea of, at least temporarily, nationalizing some of these entities (as has been done in this country before) in order to make some profit for our investment. But, we cannot even have that conversation in this country because simple minds, like yours, which are spoonfed talking points by entertainers do not even understand terms like socialism.
Taking over suggests that the government controls the means of production. In NONE of your examples is this true. We, once again, BAILED out capitalism due to lack of regulation and you try to suggest this is a takeover? Your lack of knowledge is stunning!
Ever since the 20th century started we have been going down this road to some sort of government run playground.
It is wrong.
You've hit the trifecta. You know nothing about Democracy, Socialism, or Economics. I'm guessing the rest of your dance card is empty, too.
GM came on bended knee begging for money from our government. that is a fact sir. Why is it impossible for people like you to argue an issue with reality and facts? Why do you always seem to rely on distortions, innuendo, and hasty generalizations?
Some of the knee jerk comments on this site about this being the first step to socialism/marxism/communism/nazism know nothing about any of those and know even less about what you consider to be YOUR great country. Have you ever given ANY thought to what would have happened if the gov't HADN'T intervened?
Dimwits. Try thinking for a change or just turn of your radios and FOX news and go fishing.
Yes, the government has partial ownership of GM. WHY!!?? Because, the company was getting ready to go INSOLVENT!! And it was going to do so at the expense of every single worker, support service, and dealership that did business with them in the nation. GM asked for the bailout.. .the government gave them conditions if they were going to get that money... and Chrysler accepted. You think if Obama was going to take over "car companies"... they'd own a bunch more by now!? And Fiat never would have been brought into the mix!!??
Where has the government "taken over" banks? Did it occur initially when OUR assets had to be insured against bank defaults by FDIC? In fact, the large banks that got bailout money are rebounding quite well... even under that "horrible" burden of new government regulation... which has not happened yet because so many politicians are in these bankers pockets. Geez, James Madison must be turning over in his grave being our economy is so dependent upon large banks and financiers in Washington's pockets... the very thing he specifically fought Alexander Hamilton about!!
And "taking over healthcare"!!?? Sure like to drink that GOP Kool-Aide, don't you? I'll give a little on this one, though. If you feel giving all of us choice among REAL competition, such as Congress enjoys among 269 insurers, that need to comply with minimum standards set under government regulations... then fine, I guess you have your so-called "takeover". You can have your hyperbole. And if you somehow think a single "public option" added to this mix among these 269 or so is a "government takeover", then I can't help you.
How can a private company stay solvent competing with a government option? Works pretty well with companies like FedEx, UPS, Sprint, etc. as well as thousands of small business couriers, packaging, and mailing services cropped up all across the nation.
Gee, my man, you need to have more faith in American entrepreneurship and ingenuity!!
You want these clowns to have a say in our insurance too?
No, they need to stay out of the business and stick with making sure the laws are obeyed. Many things can be done to fix the system, what is proposed makes me want to vomit.
If it is anything like the post office, they will get paid more money then the private sector and is highly efficient... the reason why the post office is hurting is because the employment contracts pay the workers exorbitant amounts. Try sending a letter to anywhere in the nation over a couple days... for 40 cents...
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After reading your posts, I think, "Badgers? We don't need no stinking Badgers."
"...A good peasant is loyal, simpleminded, and full of misdirected anger. And that’s what we’ve got now, a lot of misdirected anger searching around for a non-target to mis-punish… can’t be mad at AIG, can’t be mad at Citi or Goldman Sachs. The real villains have to be the anti-AIG protesters! After all, those people earned those bonuses! If ever there was a textbook case of peasant thinking, it’s struggling middle-class Americans burned up in defense of taxpayer-funded bonuses to millionaires. It’s really weird stuff. And bound to get weirder, I imagine, as this crisis gets worse and more complicated."
It is weird and foolish for you to shill for insurance company profits while they deny care and coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and cheer for your tax-dollars to bail out private companies. You post amounts to nothing more than having corporations put more of their foot up your butt. Mustn't upset the master.
"...It requires serious mental gymnastics to describe the Obama administration — particularly the Obama administration of recent weeks, which has given away billions to Wall Street and bent over backwards to avoid nationalization and pursue a policy that preserves the private for-profit status of the bailed-out banks — as a militaristic dictatorship of anti-wealth, anti-private property forces. You have to somehow explain the Geithner/Paulson decisions to hand over trillions of taxpayer dollars to the rich bankers as the formal policy expression of progressive rage against the rich. Not easy. In order to pull off this argument, in fact, you have to grease the wheels with a lot of apocalyptic language and imagery, invoking as Beck did massive pictures of Stalin and Orwell and Mussolini (side by side with shots of Geithner, Obama and Bernanke), scenes of workers storming the Winter Palace interspersed with anti-AIG protests, etc. — and then maybe you have to add a crazy new twist, like switching from complaints of “socialism” to warnings of “fascism.” Rhetorically, this is the equivalent of trying to paint a picture by hurling huge handfuls of paint at the canvas. It’s desperate, last-ditch-ish behavior..."
44,000 Americans die every year due to lack of health insurance--Rep Grayson----the private insurers are not doing their job,it is the governments responsibility to take care of it's citizens, yet you rididculously worry if private insurance companies profits will be hurt while people are dying. You, like the good peasant instead of blaming Goldman Sachs and Wall St. for their reckless policies that brought the world to it's economic knees(and we still haven't gotten out of it yet)that it had to have your taxes bail them out,your're worried about the government taking them over? Why are you concerned about their profits over your livelyhood? They haven't shown that they know what their doing maybe the government should take them over but that is not what happened infact just the opposite, and if you bothered to follow current events instead listenening to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh you'd learn that Goldman Sachs has just used your tax dollars to turn a record profit. Yea thats right they used my and your money in a rigged casino game to turn a profit that will go into the pockets of their stockholders. Thats not government takeover more like OLIGARCHY. You guys should be mad but get it right fool.
I have been asking myself too, how it can be possible for them to have turn on a population again each other, without them realizing it.
Then I realized, it has been done before; and it was everything that happen a few years before the Great Depression to Nazi Germany and World War II.
One would think, we peasants are now at the same level of the Pre-Hitler years. And it will really depend on all Americans if the next guy is not going to be a militaristic corporatism Hitler, of which the right-wingers now are accusing Obama - future predicting as only they can- to already be.
Interesting plan, in deed.
Sorry for asking so directly though.
The Constitution both in the preamble and in Article I gives the government the power over the general welfare. This includes health care.
Exactly, where does Dick Morris' quip that "these crazies are going to kill ATF agents" "are beginning to have a case" have anything to do with a ballot box?
And what about John Perry's "Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible"... that follows his crazy bloodless coup statements... have anything to do about "vocal opposition".
This is dangerous speech.
P.S. the government isn't "taking over" health care, they are trying to ensure affordable healthcare is available to everyone. Oooo, scary scary!
Also, where is your majority? They certainly did not show up to your tea parties. Where are they all hiding? There are certainly not enough that listen to hate AM radio or Fox News to be anywhere close to a majority. In fact, the last time we had an election it was shown that your "majority" is actually a minority in danger of becoming simply a fringe movement.
So, now you would like us to operate by polls? Interesting turn of events from when Bush was in charge. Your suggestion that because we are not making decisions according to polls we are somehow not a representative democracy cracks me up. It is hilarious. If you stopped watching Beck and read a book every once in a while, you would laugh at it to. Study up on what a representative democracy is and then come back here and admit how ignorant you look suggesting we should run this government according to the polls. Polls which you cherry-pick by the way.
Secondly, what has the Obama Administration so far done that justify - any more than the Bush II, Bush I and Clinton Administration have done or not done - that would justify a coup d'etat or to called it mildly as you said a 'revolution'?
And last Joeklein395301, what do you think, other than the immediate establishment of a totalitarian system after the successful coup on Obama - would prevent a change of the majority to switch to a slightly different one, who all then,
as quickly dissatisfied, oppose you 'revolutionaries'?
And would you be be shooting at that new majority then or would you just be locking up their leaders?
You have the floor again Joeklein395301.
I GO to your websites, see how you talk to each other when you think no one else is looking.
Some people are talking about peaceful change through the system, yes. Many others are clearly talking about violence.
Let me reiterate once again, the legislation that President Obama is trying to bring before Congress is NOT in any way, shape or form "...a national healthcare take over [sic] by the government..."
It is an effort to give the tens of millions of Americans who are simply unable to continue paying the ever-increasing costs demanded by private insurance companies (costs which have gone up 489% over the past 10 years) another OPTION proposed by the federal government as a means of keeping the private insurance companies' prices more in-line with the average American's income.
According to most polls regarding the sentiment of most Americans regarding having the ability to choose a health insurance plan sponsored by the government, more than 60%, in fact, support such an idea.
Like most Americans I do not want anyone to be told to shut up. I believe it is a dangerous precedent. I think in the open forum of debate, we need more ideas not less. But, I am beginning to suspect that this idea is being used in order to see how far the crazies who now run the Republican party can go. How much they can get away with. I find myself wondering exactly what is off-limits to say about this president on TV or radio. Which ideas of lunacy go too far for these followers of the entertainers disguised as political leaders. Clearly, we have just begun on the craziness - since this president has not even been in office a year yet.
My prediction. There will not be a military coup but 7 more years of this and there will be riots and the National Guard will have to called out (if they are back from overseas) to back up the police. In some of the same states as last time. Half a million people die in civil war and they want to fight it again.
Um . . . this comment makes it very clear that you, like many other people making similar public statements, don't understand what the public option being talked about now even is. If you buy private insurance you won't be buying insurance from the government. Kind of like if you send your package Fed-Ex, you won't be using the USPS.
The public option being discussed now has nothing to do with socialized health care, the Canadian or British systems, or any kind of 'takeover' of the health care system.
Sorry to be off topic, but you sound like a reasonable person who maybe just needs to do a little more reading on the subject.
I would be fine with some sort of small withholding based on the likliehood that the insurance I buy will be inadquate per my income, if something catastrophic comes my way (cancer, long-term recovery from an accident, etc).
TITLE 18 U.S. Code - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
Sec. 2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Sec. 2387. Activities affecting armed forces generally
(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:
(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or
(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
At some point, the sheep should be held accountable for falling for utter falsehoods and out-and-out lies. Maybe you just cannot defend a population from itself. And, if we have become so ignorant of basic civics and basic common decency to think that these crazies are providing any relevant facts to the conversation, maybe it is our society that is the problem.
Or maybe this is actually just an over-represented small percentage of the population that we should point and laugh at and then move onto the adult conversation. Maybe we give these simple minds too much power by giving them too much attention.
If that is to be used in this case, everyone who has protested in person or in writing against Iraq would be in prison. That would include probably 90% of the posters on this forum.
This uncaring, unforgiving, un-Americanism is held by only a small scattered mini-sections of this country.
For some reason (gee, I wonder what that might be) these people have decided that it is no longer 'hip' or the 'in' thing to be respectful to a president, who in this particular case WAS elected, not appointed!
They covered the 9/12 march. They covered the kids singing. Where is the coverage of this traitorous column? It's non-existent.
Some liberal media, huh?
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/041609_extremism.pdf
We were told that it was nonsense, that it'd never happen, that it was a bunch of hysteria on our part - even though the report was commissioned by the Bush Administration.
FoxNews said in April "Conservative groups are up in arms following a recent Department of Homeland Security report that warns of the possible radicalization of right-wing extremists."
Herb London, president of the Hudson Institute, a Washington-based think tank, said DHS' latest report "clearly appears to censor right-wing opinion," while its earlier assessment of left-wing extremists does not. "What is the message here? That conservative organizations are not permitted to engage in any language that might be described as unfavorable to the president," London said.
No, you just can't threaten sedition. That's traitorous and illegal.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/protest-grows-report-right-wing-radicalization/
An a linkypoo if yah got one.
You're comparing democratically elected members of the House of Representatives and of the Senate to the British Parliament?
It must be nice to live in a little fantasy world where you can whine and moan about being taxed without representation just because you lost an election. The representation that our founders fought for is the representation for the majority. If you and your ilk were truly in the majority, you would be winning elections left and right. You're not. You want too take away the representation that belongs to the majority of us by forcing your minority-held views on the rest of us.
When you actively oppose and threaten revolt against the representatives chosen by the American people, it does not make you a "Real American." Instead, it makes you an enemy of the American people. It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives can claim to love America when they hate most of their fellow countrymen.
I'm not trying to bandy words or semantics with your statement...but point out that this type of irrational and over-blown rhetoric is a dogma of "extremist" right wing views...not conservatives as a whole.
Just as some "extremist" left wing views are not indicative of all liberals.
Even as a conservative I have little respect for the tactics employed by Newsmax and others like them that oppose everything associated with Pres.Obama.
While I disagree with most of the policies advocated by Pres.Obama...the situation doesn't deserve one whiff of advocating violence as a solution.
What I don't see is the moderate conservatives in the media rising up to shout down this rhetoric. It's not enough to not engage in it, because of that old saw about silence giving consent. If the conservative movement is to survive, and I hope that it does, then a larger share of it must learn to think before speaking.
Is the left completely blameless? No. I followed your link, and it includes adjunct community college professors. I find that a little silly. And the Randi Rhodes spot? Run without her knowledge, and she still apologized for it. Quoting Bill Maher? Taking the statements of a comedian as fact? C'mon. I'll point to Code Pink, and say that I strongly disapprove of their means, and leave it at that, all right?
While there are wackos on both sides, during eight years of Bush/Cheney not one Democratic governor called for secession. No one demanded to see their birth certificate. No protesters brought guns to a public forum where they were speaking.
Well said. You may prefer a ground game attack with stout defense...and I might prefer a run-and-shoot offense with little regard for defense...but we would still be football fans just the same.
I don't know the reach of Newsmax.com but it's pretty clear to me about the reach of cable news. Its reach has stagnated...only a few ever draw more than 3M viewers and most of them languish at less than 1M.
Those tiny numbers are enough to make most of them profitable...by courting a very narrow range of viewers...but it doesn't make them significant peddlers of influence with the overall population.
I agree "there are wackos on both sides" that are scummy and neither should be granted dignity in the public debate concerning the future of our country.
Newsmax is also a conservative outlet, and a lot of conservatives I know get their "news" from that outlet as well (I write "news" because honestly most of what Newsmax reports is bunk, and factually incorrect or misleading at best).
Now, either of these 2 outlets should have some sort of editorial control, and any editor who thinks that publishing an article about how a military coup on the duly elected executive branch of the United States government is, well, freakin' un-be-lievable that it would even be allowed to be published. Where are the brains of these people?
And, in the end, it only takes one person to assassinate a President, and I'm sure that there are more than that out there currently who would like to do that to this President, and with the unbelievable stupidity of these news outlets publishing these stories, it only cranks them up more.
Well said!!!
Yeah, it's just breathtaking in its scope that even these folks, who are probably out on the fringe (Newsmax) would have the journalistic integrity to post something of this nature. If Newsmax and American Spectator want to be taken seriously as news sources, they ought to look at their practices and standards a little closer.
By themselves... your correct that cable channels hovering between 1 and 3 million doesn't make them influencial.
The problem thou is that the so-called 'liberal' media picking up on much of this right-wing fear mongering and hate rhetoric propaganda and seemingly propping it all up as actual stories worthy of mention in the main stream, instead of deriding it for the wacky fringe right-wing crap that it is!!
Rep. Trent Franks Declares President Obama An "Enemy of Humanity"
And to suggest that Obama is inviting this behavior and somehow responsible for it? Traitorous comments for sure.
Where were you when people were saying these things about Scrub Bush?
Obama is a huckster plain and simple, the man is a crook from Chicago. Hillary over him any day, even though I am not a Democrat or Republican.
Obama is dangerous. Bush was dangerous. Wake up!
And now so do I:
I'd like our country to return to the point when advocating the military overthrow of our government was considered a crime.
It's the duty of everyone serving in the military to report anyone else in the military who suggests military intervention in domestic matters.
It is a crime in the military.
I suspect Spectator may have taken the column down when this was pointed out to them.
Fox News with Bill’ O’Racist, Sean [klan]nity and bozo Glen Beck are just as dangerous and irresponsible as Radio Talk show host Bum-Rush Limbaugh. They are all head of lynch mobs.
Tea Baggers, Birthers and Deathers are nothing more than lynch mobs and Fox News promote them. In fact, recently one Fox News “commentator/reporter” was caught leading a mob in chants, in the open.
Fox News is spitting on democracy (we had an election and the people have spoken) and they are commenting treason. Fox News is inciting racial unrest and violence with subliminal messages disguise as News.
Fox News is dangerous and should be BOYCOTTED for being insensitive, irresponsible, propagandizing, misrepresentation, lying and unethical behavior.
WOW!!! That's amazing, where were you in 2006?
treason needs to be addressed right now..good grief..how much of this do we need to endure...
Umm, no... that would PERRY who's 'inviting a military intervention.'
Jim Quinn tells U.S. troops: Obama "is gonna get you killed."
That's funny, Quinn. I've been saying the same about Bush for YEARS.
Limbaugh: Obama "inciting violence" at town hall protests.
Rush... Since when does Obama control the morons on the RIGHT?!
Chuck Norris in WND: "[W]hen that time comes ... will history need to record a second American Revolution?"
You're a traitor, Chuck. I hope you realize this. All you have in common with John Wayne is that you were both lousy actors. But he was a patriot, who supported the president he didn;t vote for, while you're just a traitorous scumbag.
Beck: "This game is for keeps"; "[Y]ou can shoot me in the head ... but there will be 10 others that line up."
Can I Glenn? PLEASE? And let 'em 'line up.' If they're anywhere near as ignorant, dishonest and traitoruous as you were, I'll shoot them next.
Hannity "inspired" by Bachmann's call for "orderly revolution"
Pat and Sen. Bachmann. Two more traitors.
I say we give these scum-bags the 'Ann Coulter' teatment: try them for treason, and execute them. Give 'em a taste of their own medicine. Calling for open insurection on the modern equivalent of the 6:00 News is NOT free speech and NOT free press! It's T-R-E-A-S-O-N! If ANYTHING we've done from 2001 to 2008 was 'treasonous' at all (and it was according to THESE very hypocrties!) then this is an open and shut case. THEY'RE ON TAPE, FOR CHRIST'S SAKES! OPENELY ADVOCATING FOR THE OVERTHORW OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT!!!
What the hell does it take, people?! I hope they act. I hope they do. Then the adults will have all the justifciation they need to take these treasonous bastards DOWN. And I already know that the bulk of the military won't support them. Becasue, what they'll find, is that most of our men and women in uniform are in fact LOYAL, PATRIOTIC AMERICANS. Not traitourous, villainous, money-grubbing, self-righteous, hypocritical, greedy little SCUMBAGS like this lot.
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That's one thing Ann Coulter and I agree on: What to do with traitors. Namely? HANG 'EM!
I agree with you. Have a trial and execute them. They would do the same for anyone.
OTOH, it never would be reversed because liberals actually love their COUNTRY, while conservtaives only love BEING IN POWER. We'd never been this traitourous in our rhetoric.
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I DARE them to try though!
Or becuase I can actually SEE the hypocritcal insanity of the right, and called it out as such?
Either way, unless you're being sarcastic, YOU are indeed the sick man here. :)
If it's the latter: PROOVE ME WRONG. Find ONE, single irrefutable example. You can't. Becuase it AIN'T THERE, because all the right has going for it is loads and loads of b*llsh!t.
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Proove me wrong.
In order for the wingnuts to keep themselves in cookies and beer, desperate to regain power they have decided to be against us.
Let me be clear: "THE RIGHT WING IS AGAINST US, AGAINST EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD IN THE US THAT LIVES FREELY IN THE UNITED STATES. THEY ARE FOR ANARCHY! THEY WON'T BE HAPPY UNTIL MANY ARE DEAD AND THEY ARE IN POWER"
OT:I love you guys, But please don't call the Right wing kooks anarchist, As an anarchist I know that we are NOTHING like these fools.. "Anarchy" is too often a word used incorrectly, Just as the Right uses "Socialist" for things that are nothing like socialism.
From the outside and looking in..
For anyone wanting to know the truth about Anarchy please see Noam Chomsky
http://www.chomsky.info/
(You can't really put 'anarchy' on the spectrum of left-right politics though, anymore that you can call 'atheism' a religion.)
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Won't stop 'em from trying though!
And I'm pretty sure that most people on here would agree, it was a stupid thing to make a movie about.
You let me know when there was a news article about a military coup against Bush, and it was real, instead of fictitous. You guys don't seem to understand real and fiction, like how we keep hearing about how ACORN supports the fake child prostitution rings that didn't exist.
To Mr. Quinn's: "The only reason you put military anywhere is to win and win as quickly as you can, as ruthlessly as you can, because mercifully it will be over quick, instead of turning it into a meat grinder...
I would ask, "Just how long have we been in Iraq now?
As a retiree, that nonsense just makes my blood boil...
And to suggest, "I gotta tell you right now, run for your life, get out,... " You're exhorting them, in effect, to commit desertion, and treason and other UCMJ offenses. Not they would do it, because they know good and darn well the running would never stop and their behinds would be toast!
Honestly though, if Quinn, as he says, we should win quick and get it over with, how come we've been in Afghanistan since 2001? I mean, President Bush had 8 years to "win" there, and we're still there, and I believe, we should be there.
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Just my take.
It definately was not remotely advocating assassination. Right-wingers wanted to believe that it was in order to reinforce their victim complex.
Perry's comments are bordering on sedition.
Quinn's would be treaasonous if anyone actually took him seriously.
I am sure he would be a good little nazi and rat out anyone that could save his own skin, even rat out his own children if it got him a "FINGERMAN OF THE YEAR AWARD"
I bet theres stuff in that Healthcare reform that can genuinely be criticized, but "death panels" and idiots like Beck have taken over the debate.
So logically, wouldn't a Republican who came out and went against Limbaugh and his "Obama's a nazi" ideology, gain a lot of support from Conservatives and moderates/independants, who are fed up with this crap from Beck and co.
Maybe instead of trying to nmake Obama into a supervillian, if some politician could focus on the good aspects of Conservatism, they'd get somewhere, cause Obama's only been prez for less than a year, talk like this can't last for 3 more years without doing some damage to themselves.
While they do not admit to supporting these movements, they have yet to distance themselves from this element.
Or is it just save for democrats?
while the rightwing is allowed to throw around such rhetoric and no one is standing up to them, we have the msm shocked, just shocked over sometthing a congressman said during after hours on the floor about republicans.
Wonder why Democrats are so spineless???
Beck strikes me as a man who would literally pee his pants, hiding in his high rise condo in New York if the anarchy he desires truly broke out.
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If there was ever a book to read that underlines the danger our Democratic Republic faces from the religious right, this IS the book.
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Only a moron would complain about limiting the salaries of millionaires and scream for reductions in the wages of working class men and woman.
This was a response to joeklein395301 further up the thread.
I was writing a response to your post and got distracted by the lunacy of a wingnut.
I thought your site was great and loved the video clips. Especially Christina's saying of Kirk Cameron "you're a lying snake" and calling him an ignorant moron.
MSNBC is informing and influencing me tonight, like most nights. Ed consistently uses the football game metaphor, with the President being our star quarterback and team captain. Comprehensive health care reform being the touchdown. Everyone who opposes reform being the red defensive team (red and white uniforms, helmets emblazoned with the logo of the health insurance industry). Our team in blue and white are stuck just after the hike (the President's speech to Congress)- getting tackled in the Senate Finance Committee and in the House discussions. MSNBC comments on the game.
Obviously one can only expect so much from the Democratic party, but it's pretty sad that there weren't larger counter demonstrations by various left groups against the Teabaggery...I think that's what will shut them up...presence in the streets shouting them down.
We can only expect so much from institutions, this form of proto fascism needs an answer from the left, not just hand wringing. Further, failure to have a cohesive message on the left is what makes recruitment for the Teabaggers possible...turning economic worry and hatred towards the usual scapegoats...immigrants, people of color, supposed "welfare moms" etc...
And it's the reason why I'll never use again.
I personally think Rush is still using. As is Beck.
Also consider how the nature of an addict is to always be pushing the limits. Seeing how much they can get away with. It's a thrill. And selfish.
And of course, an addict is ALWAYS the victim. Always. Just like Beck. And Rush. The victim of change. Not the reasons for it...
This kind of rhetoric only proves how weak the GOP has become. These fanatics took over the GOP, and now their are setting their sites on all of America. They know they'll never win by playing by the rules. So, they make their own.
Scary times. I feel really bad for my parents. They have always been on the right, but they are good people. Very hard working, very good values, etc. But their voice is lost in this insanity.
It is against Federal to knowingly make threats to the president. Do these creeps not know this?
if one of the chestbeaters names a target, you could probably make a case for "incitement to violence," though getting a conviction would be tough. If one of them does more than talk to make violence happen, it might be conspiracy to commit a crime. Short of that, the jerks are free to say any stupid thing they think their audiences will enjoy. God Bless America.
I wonder how many antigun liberals are rethinking their position on that issue in light of the steadily growing threat of widespread rightard violence. Sure vindicates my own choices.
This accepted repetitive bickering and stupidity from “professional broadcasters” is an indictment of the country’s intelligence and tolerance.
Are American people that un-educated and gullible? Can they be led so easily by deranged fanatics?
This has been going on for too long, in fact it has been constant since Obama’s nomination, with no end in sight. Such evil talk can only lead to disenchantment and violence from those who “want their country back!!”.
Why is the FCC not taking action or try to restore some sense of integrity and civility?
Hell, the FCC should be under scrutiny for a lack of order and responsibility. Let a black man violate FCC rules and policies and see what happens.
If there is a God these diabolical infidels (Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean [Klan]nity and Bill O’Reilly) WILL be punished for their willingness to wage warfare among the people while sending out subliminal messages disguised as News.