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Rooting against America: Beck, other conservatives cheer elimination of Chicago's Olympic bid

October 02, 2009 2:50 pm ET — 410 Comments

Conservative media figures have celebrated the International Olympic Committee's elimination of Chicago's bid to host the 2016 Summer Olympics and used the event to bash President Obama, who flew to Copenhagen to lobby IOC members on behalf of Chicago's bid. For instance, Glenn Beck called the news that Chicago's bid had failed "so sweet," Rush Limbaugh declared himself "happy" and "gleeful" with the results, and Matt Drudge proclaimed: "World rejects Obama."

Conservative media celebrate Chicago's elimination, bash Obama

Beck: "Oh, it's so sweet" that Chicago's bid failed; "savor this moment." On his radio program, Beck said: "Do not go anywhere. Don't -- do not look at the screen. Don't -- don't go to any other radio stations. Nothing. You don't want to hear this news -- I mean, please, please let me break this news to you. Oh, it's so sweet." After a commercial break, Beck's producer stated that "the first round of voting is up for the Olympic games, and the first city" -- at which point Beck interrupted, saying, "Wait! Wait for it! Wait for it. Enjoy this -- savor this moment." The producer continued, "And the first city to be eliminated is Chicago." Beck later asked his producer if Chicago's elimination was proof that Obama had "failed." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Show, 10/2/09]

Lou Dobbs: "On today's broadcast, the IOC just says 'no' to Chicago! As the Drudge Report says 'The Ego Has Landed.' " From the "Today on the Radio" section of LouDobbs.com:

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Breitbart website: "It is kind of like the world community saying to President Obama, 'Not only no, but Hell No.' " From a post by Publius -- the pseudonym of the "Editorial Panel" of the Andrew Breitbart-published website BigGovernment.com -- headlined, "Chicago Drops From 'Second City' to Fourth City":

So, not only did Chicago lose out in its bid for the Olympics, it lost in the FIRST ROUND. It is kind of like the world community saying to President Obama, "Not only no, but Hell No."

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Limbaugh: For those "upset that I sound gleeful -- I am. I don't deny it. I'm happy." On his radio program, Limbaugh stated: "Folks, the ego has landed. The world has rejected Obama. Chicago, the least number of votes, first elimination in the round of voting for the Olympics in 2016. ... When you stop to think about it, folks, doesn't it make sense? Our president, Barack Hussein Obama -- mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussein Obama mmm, mmm, mmm -- had been running around the world for nine months telling everybody how much our country sucks. He's been running around the world apologizing for the United States of America. Why would anybody award the Olympics to such a crappy place as the United States of America?" Later in the program, after reading a series of headlines about Chicago's elimination, Limbaugh explained why he is "gleeful" and "happy" about the failure of its Olympic bid:

LIMBAUGH: For those of you on the other side of the aisle listening in who are upset that I sound gleeful -- I am. I don't deny it. I'm happy. Anything that gets in the way of Barack Obama accomplishing his domestic agenda is fine with me. I stand by -- I don't want Obamacare to succeed. I want national health care, socialized medicine, to fail. I want cap and trade -- a national carbon tax emissions policy based on a hoax -- I want that to fail. I do not want the government owning car companies. I don't want the government running banks. I don't want the government in charge of loans. I don't want any of it. I want all of that to fail.

And for those things to fail, I'm sorry to say, our president must fail, because they're his ideas. It is the ideas I want to fail, but the architect of those ideals must, by the same sense of logic, also fail at the same time the ideas do. So anything that weakens and helps people to see the real Obama is a step forward. Gotta say it.

Drudge: "The ego has landed. World rejects Obama: Chicago out in first round." From the Drudge Report:

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RedState.com's Erickson: "World rejects Barack Obama. ... Hahahahaha." From RedState.com managing editor Erick Erickson's post, headlined, "BREAKING: World Rejects Barack Obama. No Chicago Olympics; Hey Rush, apparently the rest of the world wants Obama to fail too":

Hahahahaha.

I thought the world would love us more now that Bush was gone.

I thought if we whored ourselves out to our enemies, great things would happen.

Apparently not.

So Obama's pimped us to every two bit thug and dictator in the world, made promises to half the Olympic committee, and they did not even kiss him.

Weekly Standard blog post reportedly said "[c]heers erupt[ed] at" magazine in response to Chicago losing bid. Think Progress' Matt Corley reported that a post by Weekly Standard blogger John McCormack originally stated that when the news came that Chicago's bid had been eliminated, "[c]heers erupt[ed] at WEEKLY STANDARD world headquarters." From Corley's blog post:

Soon after news broke that the International Olympic Committee had rejected Chicago's bid to host the 2016 Olympics, which President Obama had personally lobbied for, Weekly Standard blogger John McCormack published a celebratory post on the magazine's blog, titled "Chicago Loses! Chicago Loses!." McCormack wrote that "Cheers erupt at WEEKLY STANDARD world headquarters":

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But the post has now been changed. The reference to cheers have been removed and the title has been shortened to a non-exclamatory "Chicago Loses." The current post neither acknowledges nor explains the changes that were made.

HotAir's Allahpundit to Obama: "You're a bigger sucker than I thought, champ." Blogger Allahpundit stated on HotAir.com: "It's only right that I eat crap here for having insisted that this was a done deal and that The One wouldn't dare risk his political capital on a completely needless humiliation. You're a bigger sucker than I thought, champ."

Malkin: "Goodbye, 'Yes We Can.' Hello, 'No, You Can't.' " Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin wrote: "Goodbye, 'Yes We Can.' Hello, 'No, You Can't.' Like Icarus, President Obama's giddy ego flight has ended with melted wax and fallen wings. This is a big win and a massive relief for taxpayers. But Chicago cronies are not going to take this well. Gird your loins."

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    • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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      I don't think this as much about rooting against America as it is rooting against Obama. But I guess the case could easily be made that rooting against Obama is rooting against America. Either way these idiots pounce on anything they can get their grimy microphones on.
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      • Author by latichever (October 02, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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        The right wing cheering locks down the next Illinois election for the Democrats. Keep attacking. I can already see the ads.
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        • Author by highliter (October 02, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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          cheering locks down the next Illinois election for the Democrats


          Has Illinois ever been anything but locked down for the Dem's
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          • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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            http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gabler2-2009oct02,0,7817347.story?track=rss
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 02, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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              Excellent article, bin. Wonderful understanding of the fundamentalism that has overtaken the right. The saddest part is what has become of the Republican party because of their willingess to allow the nuts to take over. The entire country suffers from the lack of an adult discourse over real subjects of debate.
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            • Author by Major Tom (October 02, 2009 8:32 pm ET)
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              Completely true and depressing article.
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            • Author by justjoe628 (October 03, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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              I would argue the opposite. I think what cost conservatives in the past is too much compromise. After the republicans gained control of the house and the senate and then signed the contract with American, they did not stick to their principles. They instead started looking more like democrates than republicans with their irresponsible spending. I believe that if they had compromised less and stuck to the true principles of conservatism, then conservatives would still hold the majority and we would not be in the position we are in now.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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                Oh, that is beautiful. Excellent example of what the article was articulating, justjoe. Thanks for that. The problem with the right wing is that they are not partisan enough? Beautiful.
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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 04, 2009 2:18 am ET)
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                  Yup, when the Repubs do what they always do (show a complete lack of fiscal responsibility) all of the A.D.D. sheep jump in to say they were acting like "democrates".

                  I'm amazed that the GOP has been able to fool their faithful for decades with these "principles" that they never observe, but talk about constantly.
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          • Author by dexteritas0071418 (October 02, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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            LOL yeah the GOP candidates in Illinois for the next 4 years let out a consecutive FML
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            • Author by Craig (October 02, 2009 3:43 pm ET)
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              For almost a year now, I've been hearing that the Republicans have a shot at Obama's old Senate seat.
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              • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 5:38 pm ET)
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                If the choice is Giannoulias (D) or Kirk (R), I'm not voting.
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                • Author by JW, Chicago (October 03, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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                  Please vote. Anyone but Kirk. He is an empty automatron voting down party lines 100% of the time.
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          • Author by the Grey Path (October 02, 2009 4:26 pm ET)
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            Yes ... Illinois voted Republican until Reagan showed it the futility of it.
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          • Author by justanoldliberal (October 02, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
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            You obviously do not know your Illinois politics! Don't confuse Chicago Dems with the rest of the state. It is just that we have all state constitutional offices now--but that wasn't always the case. My county, for example, was and in some ways still is a GOP stronghold. But we digress from the main issue----I do hope there is a backlash and major support for Dems in Illinois because of the inane and insane comments by BeckRush et al.
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            • Author by vwcat (October 02, 2009 9:17 pm ET)
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              justanoldliberal, I live in Rockford and there are plenty of democrats. People actually are more independent and just vote for the incumbent more then anything. They are not into ideology.
              We have a democratic then republican then democratic, ect. mayor thing. back and forth.
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        • Author by suhail_shafi (October 03, 2009 9:34 am ET)
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          I agree completely.

          The way I see it, people from Illinois are going to vote for a Democratic President who tries to help their state, not conservatives who try to attack Chicago's bid to host the Olympics.
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        • Author by puppienrainbows (October 03, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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          The IOC saw the efforts of the Obama's for what they were, self-serving. Michelle's speech was embarrassing. It was ALL avout Michelle, not about America. Obama's speech was more of the same only ALL about Obama, not America. The IOC, in no way, was going to award the 2016 Olympics to the Obamas with that level of pandoring. BTW, what the heck was the Oprah doing there anyway? What a joke.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (October 03, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
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            In case you missed it, the king of Spain and the president of Brazil made speeches/pitches as well.

            Fail.

            Guess you just don't like black people going overseas and pulling for America. Nice.
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            • Author by puppienrainbows (October 03, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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              I don't like a daytime gab-fest host representing America. It's embarrassing. Why not send Ellen or Jerry? She fares from Chicago but I am sure there are plenty of more authoritative people than the Oprah. My opinion about the Obamas stands and I don't care about their race, regardless of what you say.
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          • Author by jjamele2880 (October 03, 2009 8:17 pm ET)
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            Tell us again who raised Hitler, Puppies!
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 05, 2009 8:25 am ET)
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              Tell us again who raised Hitler
              I believe that would have been Mr and Mrs Schickelgruber of Austria...
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      • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
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        They cheered the fact that America lost the 2016 Olympics. Regardless of why, they're celebrating the fact that America will not host the Olympic Games in 2016. Yes, they'll pounce on anything they can but for them to pounce on this is VERY illuminating about what it is that they support. They don't support America's interests.
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        • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
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          I don't disagree with you. What they support above all else is their quest to be relevant and provocative in opposing every breath Obama takes, no matter who or what gets caught in the crosshairs. I have no respect for any of them, only contempt. So there isn't much criticism you could level at them; meaning Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity and those like them, that I would take issue with.
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          • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
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            I think they're partially to blame for the loss. Why would the IOC give the bid to a country that has such a vociferous minority against hosting the Olympics?
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            • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
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              I think it's more because of the recent Olympic venues like London, Vancouver, etc. They want a diverse geographical representation. And these decisions are a long time in the making, not just the last couple days. They visit each city and go through an exhaustive process when awarding the games. I don't think Obama, or these ridiculous rightwing talk show hosts, had anything to do with it.
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              • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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                It's the first time the Olympics will take place in South America, so I think it's a fine pick. President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva of Brazil gave an impassioned speech and had the full backing of his country. I don't think the same can be said of our President. There's an entire news network campaigning to defeat him at America's expense.
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                • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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                  I think it's a fine pick too. If Chicago had to lose, I'm happy that we lost to Rio.
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              • Author by So Fain (October 02, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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                That's correct. The biggest reason that we didn't get the olympics is that South America has never hosted the games before. Never. The US has hosted the games at least three times in my lifetime. They wanted a global theme for the games and our presentation was America-centric.

                The world didn't reject Obama. He did his job and tried to get the games here for us and they went in a different direction. It happens.

                Did George W Bush secure the Olympics for us? I can't recall. Must have somehow slipped past Fox.
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                • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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                  Well said. I doubt the Olympic committee wanted to punish America because Glenn Beck is an idiot.
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                  • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 4:28 pm ET)
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                    Actually, I said that a vociferous minority was partially to blame for America losing out on the 2016 games. In truth, I wouldn't put our right wing media's week-long campaign against America getting the Olympics in a top ten list of why Chicago was not picked. But they did play a part and they did advocate against America's interests.
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                    • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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                      You really have no idea if they did play a part, despite your insistence. Has there been some official statement by the Olympic committee to back up your assertion? I know blaming Beck and others for whatever you can find is amusing, but to do it with no evidence is of no value.
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                      • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
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                        I know for a fact that our right wing media advocates against the better interests of America. Their celebration of Chicago's failed bid offers all the proof one needs to confirm that fact. FACT: Fox News hates America.
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                        • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 4:41 pm ET)
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                          Still no evidence to support your assertion that any of that played any part in the committee's decision like you insisted it did - "But they did play a part".
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                          • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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                            Do you have any proof that IOC already made they're selection prior to the last couple days?
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                            • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
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                              What? You said Fox News and the others played a part in why Chicago did not get the games. You have no evidence to back it up, why can't you just admit that?
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                              • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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                                Yes, I think that the past week mattered and I think America's very un-united front could have negatively influence the IOC.

                                You, however, maintain that nothing right wing media does matters - that you're shtick.

                                You insist that Obama had nothing to do with the outcome and you insist that America's media coverage had nothing to do with it. I disagree with you. I think that past week mattered.
                                You demand from me proof and evidence of what I think yet you refuse to provide evidence of your contentions.
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                                • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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                                  Look at all the other evidence that many posters have put forth here as to why Chicago was not chosen. All of it makes perfect sense. On the contrary, you have shown zero evidence of any kind that our rightwing media had one single thing to do with it? Because it's pure conjecture on your part. You made the assertion, it's up to you to prove it. You haven't and you can't. That's how it works in the world where people's hatred for some dippy news network doesn't permeate their common sense.
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                                  • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 5:25 pm ET)
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                                    And it's pure conjecture on your part that the past week had no bearing on the IOC's decision.
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                                    • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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                                      It's also pure conjecture on my part that the Jon and Kate divorce ruckus had no bearing on the IOC's decision. You'd look just as ridiculous making that argument as you'd have the exact same amount of evidence to support your "theory" that you do now.
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                                      • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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                                        Let's face it, you're special. You need not back up your claims on what did and did not factor into the IOC's decision.
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                                      • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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                                        You know for a fact that negative US press did not factor in to the IOC's choice. You don't have to back it up. It's a fact. You know the IOC already had it's mind made up before Obama boarded the plane. You can prove it but, hey, you don't have to. Your special.
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                                    • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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                                      Also, what I find ironically chilling about you is that you are the mirror image of Beck and Fox News and don't even know it, except unlike them you have no platform that I know of except spouting your nonsense here.

                                      You manufacture some pie-in-the-sky ridiculous conspiracy theory to discredit someone you hate and put it out there with no evidence or support to back it up, then demand someone who asks you for proof by turning it back at them and asking them to prove a negative.

                                      That is what Limbaugh and his ilk do every day and you sit here and rail against it. Yet you think you are morally superior when you stoop to the same sinking level. The only difference, as I said, is they are more dangerous because they have media exposure. Thankfully, I doubt you do.
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                                      • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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                                        I'm not in the media. Moron.
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                                      • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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                                        And what part of this don't you understand?:

                                        In truth, I wouldn't put our right wing media's week-long campaign against America getting the Olympics in a top ten list of why Chicago was not picked.

                                        Idiot.
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                                      • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:16 am ET)
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                                        So the fact that the right wing CHEERING the fact that United States lost the bid to host the Olympics is okay with you. you want the US to fail.
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                                      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 03, 2009 12:17 pm ET)
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                                        I know we on the LEFT are morally superior to the lying hate spewing jerks like LIMBAUGH and BECK.
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                      • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:13 am ET)
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                        But they DID advocate against America's interest. I noticed you ignore that part of what your side continues to do. Whether it's the reason Chicago didn't get the Olympic bid is irrelevant. The FACT is your side roots and continues to cheer lead the demise of America.
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                        • Author by mewi (October 03, 2009 6:53 pm ET)
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                          Example: The Right Wing often tries to take away freedoms and liberties from tax paying LGBT people. They try to advocate hate, they often enough label us deviants, and even more so we are victims of their "playing politics" when they rage the population against us through their hateful advertising and misleading media... Seriously, can we say they have Americans interests at heart?

                          More like, they are only for "god's law" and thats all, real law is for suckers to them because it's not "god's law" so they can violate real law willy nilly. And if you don't get caught, it's not a crime right?

                          Not saying all conservatives do this but seriously... the list is amazingly large. Not saying democrats are any more innocent, but at least for the majority... Democrats aren't directing their hate and prejudice toward minority groups/the other wing.

                          Key Words: "Demorats" "Libtards" How many conservative name calling do you hear frequently? I can't think of any...

                          ~Celeste~
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                • Author by Tbone Slickens (October 02, 2009 10:23 pm ET)
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                  Winter Olympics Salt Lake City.
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                  • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:18 am ET)
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                    Sorry it was Clinton that got us the Olympics in Utah. Bush took credit for it though. It would explain the corruption.
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                • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 03, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
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                  I agree with you,the world didn't reject OBAMA, They decided to give SOUTH AMERICA their first OLYMPICS.But don't tell the RIGHTIES that.
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              • Author by coldteablues19577325 (October 04, 2009 7:31 pm ET)
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                Let alone that in this post-9/11 world, I think that the possibility of countries/cities that could/would easily be targeted by terrorists might be lower on the choice list.

                Just ruminating is all.
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            • Author by snoopy (October 02, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
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              I was just reading that some of the turn down was based on longstanding issues with the US olympic committee and revenue sharing from past US hosted events.
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              • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
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                Another plausible and sensible reason why Chicago was not chosen. Just because Fox doesn't like Obama is most likely irrelevant to the Olympic committee.
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                • Author by snoopy (October 02, 2009 6:58 pm ET)
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                  I just came across this:

                  In the official question-and-answer session following the Chicago presentation, Syed Shahid Ali, an I.O.C. member from Pakistan, asked the toughest question. He wondered how smooth it would be for foreigners to enter the United States for the Games because doing so can sometimes, he said, be "a rather harrowing experience."


                  If that's true, we just got screwed by bush - again!
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                  • Author by pongotwistleton (October 03, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
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                    If it's such a harrowing experience, then why do tens of thousands of foreigners emigrate to the U.S. every year? Get over your bush derangement syndrome. It's pathetic.

                    As for Pakistan in particular, pick up a newspaper and read about the recent terrorist plot hatched from that freak-show country, and maybe you'll appreciate why immigration officials should be especially vigilant in examining the credentials of individuals coming from pakistan.
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                    • Author by benjr (October 05, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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                      freak show country


                      and that is exactly what Mr. Ali was talking about. I love it when people disprove their own point just by speaking
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                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (October 05, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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                      If it's such a harrowing experience, then why do tens of thousands of foreigners emigrate to the U.S. every year?
                      pongo

                      I think he's referring to visitors - not immigrants.

                      And "freak-show" country? Very nice.
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                • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:18 am ET)
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                  But CHEERLEADING US failure is okay with you?
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            • Author by themidnightreview.com (October 03, 2009 1:03 am ET)
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              That same vociferous minority probably reminded the IOC about the bombing at the Atlanta games, which in itself was reminiscent of the Munich Massacre...

              They were probably of some homegrown American terrorists ruining their event...
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              The Midnight Review
              Mum Is The Word
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              • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:21 am ET)
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                Fox News actually wished Paris had gotten the Olympic bid for 2012.It wasn't because they wanted Paris to host it but they thought that London winning it got them bombed by terrorists. They thought it would have been better if the terrorists had bombed Paris.
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        • Author by justjoe628 (October 03, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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          I think, as quickly as the decision was made, that the IOC had already decided to give the 2016 games to Rio. It was a wasted trip from the beginning. Although, I'm sure, there is no way Obama could have know that before hand.
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      • Author by mdeatherage (October 02, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
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        This might be true in a sane world, but the people currently rooting for Obama to fail (and claiming it's different than rooting against America) are the same ones who spent 6-8 years saying that criticizing George W. Bush meant you "hate America." They can't have it both ways.
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        • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
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          "Criticizing" and "rooting against" are two very different things in my book.
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          • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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            Also, Olympics and Obama are two different things, but you'd never know this by the Republican response.

            Thanks Republicans, I'll remember your kindness during future elections.
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          • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:22 am ET)
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            Okay then, Your side is rooting for the US to fail. Look at the glee from the right when the US lost the bid to host the Olympics.
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        • Author by martyatmgc (October 02, 2009 5:20 pm ET)
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          I don't believe that I ever heard anyone say that rooting against George W. Bush meant that you hate America. I believe I heard many times that the constant stream of hate speech against America, would lead one to believe that some hated America. As a veteran, it was very easy to spot the constant hate of the American troops by the left 2/3 rds of the Democrat Party, The Communist Party USA & The Socialist Party USA. I think some of what you have read above is more about laughing at the hubris of President Obama, and his sycophants.
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          • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:27 am ET)
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            What hubris are you talking about? That crap left the White House in January.

            There was NO hatred of the troops from the left. Only the right showed hatred when it came to paying for their continued health needs. They never insisted on paying for the war with a repeal of the tax cuts on the rich.

            The right was the ones cheer leading the troops to their deaths on a phony war. That's what happens when the Supreme Court decides a real man shouldn't be in the White House , We need a cheerleader.
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          • Author by rms (October 03, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
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            "it was very easy to spot the constant hate of the American troops by the left 2/3 rds of the Democrat Party."

            You need new glasses. That statement is totally false. I heard NO ONE denigrate the troops.
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            • Author by pongotwistleton (October 03, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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              John Kerry, Dickie Durban and John Murtha all spread hateful lies about the troops. ..
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (October 03, 2009 8:01 pm ET)
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                I'd rather have hateful lies spread against me (even though they really weren't lies) than to be DEAD.

                Then again, the soldiers who are DEAD really won't be bothered by those so-called lies, will they?
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                • Author by pongotwistleton (October 03, 2009 9:29 pm ET)
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                  I'd rather have hateful lies spread against me (even though they really weren't lies) than to be DEAD.

                  You see, your opinion doesn't matter here. You're just a self-righteous putz who spends more time than he should on the internet. Ask the soldiers who Murtha smeared about Haditha, and see whether they agree with you. The investigation proved that they were lies, and I defy you to prove otherwise.

                  Those soldiers were put through hell because of looney left-wing propaganda, from scumbags such as yourself who would've thrown anybody under the bus just to discredit the bush administration. The likes of you are pathetic, and the soldiers whom I know would not want your pompous a$$ speaking for them
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                • Author by pongotwistleton (October 03, 2009 9:29 pm ET)
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                  I'd rather have hateful lies spread against me (even though they really weren't lies) than to be DEAD.

                  You see, your opinion doesn't matter here. You're just a self-righteous putz who spends more time than he should on the internet. Ask the soldiers who Murtha smeared about Haditha, and see whether they agree with you. The investigation proved that they were lies, and I defy you to prove otherwise.

                  Those soldiers were put through hell because of looney left-wing propaganda, from scumbags such as yourself who would've thrown anybody under the bus just to discredit the bush administration. The likes of you are pathetic, and the soldiers whom I know would not want your pompous a$$ speaking for them
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                  • Author by jmille426471 (October 04, 2009 4:47 am ET)
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                    Those soldiers were put through hell because of looney left-wing propaganda, from scumbags such as yourself who would've thrown anybody under the bus just to discredit the bush administration.


                    Don't you see Foghorn? The democrats put the troops through hell with their non-existent attacks on them. George W. Bush starting, and then royally f#$!ing up two wars, one of which based on completely false pretenses had nothing to do with it!(end snark)

                    The only "putz" here is yourself, pongnot. Murtha, who had been briefed on Haditha, was immediately attacked for his statements about it by right wing media figures who knew nothing of the situation. And of course sheep such as yourself believed every word. In true authoritarian fashion, you apparantly believe that the truth should not be faced when there is clear evidence of war crimes. People like you don't really care about the troops, you only care about preserving your image of them as heroic GI joe action figures. Btw, Murtha volunteered in Vietnam, and recieved countless awards for bravery, can you say the same yourself?

                    Your post is yet further proof that the only kind of morality the right wing understands is "never let the team down".

                    Conervatives are such phonies....
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                    • Author by pongotwistleton (October 04, 2009 9:56 am ET)
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                      Hey Putz,

                      Without knowing all the facts, and when the investigation had barely commenced, big mouth Murtha went on television and accused a specific group of soldiers of committing war crimes. Unsurprisingly, all the leftwing sheep (you, very likely included), gleefully used Murtha's unwarranted smear to discredit the war and Bush in general. As I said, the pathetic likes of you, foghorn (and other lemmings) would have thrown anybody under the bus just to gain a partisan victory, nevermind the fact that you were ruining the lives of innocent soldiers.

                      Liberals are such phonies . ..

                      You'd think Murtha, having served in combat, would've gave the soldiers the benefit of the doubt and awaited the completion of the investigation. But no, his allegiance to the lemmings, coupled with his bush derangement syndrome, took over, and he falsely announced to the public that a slew of innocent people were guilty of war crimes.

                      For the record, I'm in the reserves now, but had never seen a second of combat. I'm neither ashamed nor proud of that fact, and it is entirely irrelevant to this conversation. I make no bones about it that the only reason I enlisted was for college money. My brother used to be a JAG attorney. So I don't have any delusions about the true character of soldiers. Generally speaking, they're just like everybody else.
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                      • Author by loonz (October 04, 2009 10:57 am ET)
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                        Without knowing all the facts, and when the investigation had barely commenced, big mouth Murtha went on television and accused a specific group of soldiers of committing war crimes.


                        American troops did kill innocent men, women, children in Haditha and then tried to cover it by saying the civilians were killed by a some fictitious bomb. The charges were dropped I think for all of them except for one because of the conflicting testimony from everyone involved and the investigators couldn't get to the truth of what actually happened. Murtha's went on air and placed the blame with the Bush administration over the incident because of all the stress they were placing on the troops with the illegal war.

                        Unsurprisingly, all the leftwing sheep (you, very likely included), gleefully used Murtha's unwarranted smear to discredit the war and Bush in general. As I said, the pathetic likes of you, foghorn (and other lemmings) would have thrown anybody under the bus just to gain a partisan victory, nevermind the fact that you were ruining the lives of innocent soldiers.


                        Your whole premise is false. Murtha was late to the game. The war was discredited in my mind (and I'm sure in the mind of others) before it was even started. Iraq didn't attack us; never threatened to attack us; and they didn't have the means to attack us. The Bush administration and other Neocons used lies and fear-mongered to start the illegal war in Iraq which has killed or maimed tens of thousands of Americans and they should be held to account for it.

                        You'd think Murtha, having served in combat, would've gave the soldiers the benefit of the doubt and awaited the completion of the investigation. But no, his allegiance to the lemmings, coupled with his bush derangement syndrome, took over, and he falsely announced to the public that a slew of innocent people were guilty of war crimes.


                        We don't know what exactly took place there because everyone came up with a different story on how those civilians were killed. And there is no doubt in the mind that the Bush administration is guilty of war crimes because of the illegal invasion of Iraq. Everything that has happened there is because of his reckless decision.
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                        • Author by pongotwistleton (October 04, 2009 11:22 am ET)
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                          Murtha's went on air and placed the blame with the Bush administration over the incident because of all the stress they were placing on the troops with the illegal war.

                          Again, without trial, much less a complete investigation of the facts, big mouth Murtha said "they killed innocent civilians in cold blood." Dragging the troops through the political mud, and disregarding the veracity of his accusations, Murtha and left wingnuts jumped on the incident to support their anti-war stance.

                          No, no, don't give the soldiers the benefit of the doubt, not when there's political points to score. As the saying goes, tell the acquitted soldiers where they go to get their reputations back, after having been already convicted in the court of public opinion because of that pig's hasty and erroneous slurs . . .
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                          • Author by pongotwistleton (October 04, 2009 11:26 am ET)
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                            That should read "the acquitted soldier. . .", in the singular, as I beleive there's still one case pending while the others were dropped because of insufficient evidence
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                          • Author by loonz (October 04, 2009 11:39 am ET)
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                            Again, without trial, much less a complete investigation of the facts, big mouth Murtha said "they killed innocent civilians in cold blood." Dragging the troops through the political mud, and disregarding the veracity of his accusations, Murtha and left wingnuts jumped on the incident to support their anti-war stance.


                            The point Murtha was making is that you and your fellow Neocons were putting the troops through hell by your constant support of this illegal, illogical and misbegotten war. The troops should have never been placed in a position where stuff like Haditha could happen.

                            No, no, don't give the soldiers the benefit of the doubt, not when there's political points to score. As the saying goes, tell the acquitted soldiers where they go to get their reputations back, after having been already convicted in the court of public opinion because of that pig's hasty and erroneous slurs . . .


                            When first asked about the situation the troops lied and said the civilians were blown up by a bomb when they were actually killed by gunfire.

                            Saying you're not going to prosecute doesn't mean anything didn't occur. The prosecutor had to deal with conflicting testimony and as a result he could not conclude definitively what actually took place and that's why the charges were dropped against most of the participants.
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                            • Author by pongotwistleton (October 04, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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                              The point Murtha was making is that you and your fellow Neocons were putting the troops through hell by your constant support of this illegal, illogical and misbegotten war. The troops should have never been placed in a position where stuff like Haditha could happen.

                              So you concede that Murtha slurred the soldiers with accusations of war crimes to support his broader position that the war was misbegotten. The point is, Murtha shouldn't have blithely denigrated those guys by spouting off to the public that they were guilty of murder in cold blood, without knowing the facts and without at least giving the matter a full investigation. I live in Philly, am familiar with Murtha's positions, and can tell you that I became disillusioned with the war long before Murtha. In this situation, calling me or other critics neocons is irrelevant. What he did was wrong, opportunistic, and slimey, but that's par for the course for Johnny.

                              The fact the prosecutors had insufficient evidence to move forward on any of the charges against all but one of the victims of Murtha's slander, including the alleged cover up, simply redounds to how utterly reckless Murtha was in leveling his accusations at the political press conference . . .
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                              • Author by loonz (October 04, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
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                                So you concede that Murtha slurred the soldiers with accusations of war crimes to support his broader position that the war was misbegotten.


                                The misbegotten, illegal and the illogical parts were well established before the war started; it didn't suddenly appear with Haditha. Murtha was using the incident to stress what Bush and the Neocons' actions were doing to the soldiers.
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                      • Author by jmille426471 (October 04, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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                        From the Time report:

                        "This was a small number of Marines who fired directly on civilians and killed them," said Representative John Kline, a Minnesota Republican and former Marine who was briefed two weeks ago by Marine Corps officials. "This is going to be an ugly story."

                        There's no doubt that the Marines allegedly involved in doing this--they lied about it," says Kline. "They certainly tried to cover it up." Three Marine officers, including the company commander and battalion commander, have been relieved of duty in part for actions related to the deaths in Haditha. A lawmaker who has been briefed on the matter says the investigations may implicate other senior officers.

                        Members of Congress, as well as military sources, have confirmed the critical details of TIME's initial report--that after gunning down the five fleeing the taxi, a few members of Kilo Company moved through four homes along nearby streets, killing 19 men, women and children.

                        The ensuing probe, conducted by a colonel, concluded that Marines, not a bomb, killed the civilians but that the deaths were the result of "collateral damage," not deliberate homicide.

                        That four unarmed men were shot execution style in their homes is disputed by noone. It is not disputed that children as young as 3 were shot in their homes, even as the marines were not under fire at the time. It is not disputed that unarmed women were shot. The taxi in which four men were shot was found to contain no weapons. All of this is established by the marine reports. I believe all of the about 14 marines who may have been involved each deserve a fair trial. However, a massacre most certainly took place here.

                        The facts of this case are clear and damning. And the likes of Michelle Malkin viciously attacked John Murtha and others for bravely shedding light on this issue, dispite it being a politically problemattic stance.

                        And in typical repuke fashion, they accused others of being willing to attack anyone to score political points, while doing just that.

                        Right wingers can put this sanctimonious pose on all they like, but that won't make their craven attempts to silence those who try to expose potential war crimes any less despicable.
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              • Author by coldteablues19577325 (October 04, 2009 7:39 pm ET)
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                "John Kerry, Dickie Durban and John Murtha all spread hateful lies about the troops. .."

                Source, please.
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 04, 2009 2:25 am ET)
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              You'd think some examples would be included by the "veteran".
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      • Author by joeklein395301 (October 02, 2009 4:21 pm ET)
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        I think IOC is a racist organization, the only reason Chicago did not get the olympics because the president is black, just like all others who oppose him.
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        • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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          nice . . . not.
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        • Author by alerted (October 02, 2009 5:19 pm ET)
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          typical response from the left these days -- everyone is a racist now. Way to go in making the world completely useless and overused!
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          • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 6:17 pm ET)
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            hahaha you got played! JK was being sarcastic typical response though from you cons. hahaha enjoy the egg texas, care for a doggy bag for your head!
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            • Author by joeklein395301 (October 02, 2009 8:03 pm ET)
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              Texas made those comments because there is a shade of truth to it. Because of Gimmy Carter comments, Bill Casby, attack on the Tea party movement where they are charaterised as mob and racist Tea baggers.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 8:37 pm ET)
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                The truth hurts doesn't it!
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                • Author by joeklein395301 (October 02, 2009 10:10 pm ET)
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                  The truth that some Obama supporter think anybody who question his policies is a racist, yes it does hurt, because the question is why these people are so narrow minded and misguided.
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                  • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:31 am ET)
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                    Yeah there's nothing racist in calling him a monkey or having him in white face to make him acceptable to your eyes.
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                    • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 2:05 am ET)
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                      The left did that to George Bush x100. BTW the guy who made the joker poster is democrat and supporter of Dennis Kucinich(D) of Ohio.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 03, 2009 2:06 am ET)
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                Aside from Gimmy Carter and Bill Casby, I'm pretty sure Texas made those comments because Dennis Miller made the same dull race card joke previously, and wingnuts like to repeat things.
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                • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 2:41 am ET)
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                  are you comparing Dennis Miller to Jimmy Carter. Dennis is comedian, who cares what he says, Jimmy is x prez.
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                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 03, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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                    are you comparing Dennis Miller to Jimmy Carter.


                    No, I was only pointing out that the sarcastic comment about the IOC being racist was already said by Dennis Miller. That was actually your comment, which Tx took seriously. You,Texas, and Dennis Miller are all resorting to the same dopey strawman- pretending that anybody is saying that all criticism of Obama is racist.
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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 05, 2009 10:46 am ET)
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                    Dennis is comedian
                    No, he isn't.

                    And start using articles in your posts. Who are you, Khrushchev?
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          • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:29 am ET)
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            Typical response from the right to whine about being called on their racism but when a black man uses the word "typical" and a woman uses the words "wise Latina" then all hell breaks loose.
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            • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 2:52 am ET)
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              Yes we do not like to be called racist if it is not justified, people participate in the tea party movement because they do not agree with the direction that this country is going, but because they are paid by somebody or they just doing it because prez is black.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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                Interesting that joeklein purposefully did NOT respond to the word "typical" or "wise Latina" comments. Yet another example of the race-baiting right. Only minorities are allowed to be called racists today. Teabaggers with signs of Obama as a monkey or signs of him as an African witch doctor cannot be racist - it's about taxes. But Gates, Obama, Sotomayor, Wright - all racists. And the right wonders why they are marginalized by decent, rational people.
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                • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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                  Racism is ugly no matter where it comes from. We are a nation of immigrants with different ethnic background and unfortunately we all look at each other with contempt. Comments such as “My mother was a typical white women afraid of black man”, “As a black man when I was dealing with whites I always smiled and never made a sudden move”, “as a wise Latina woman I can make better decisions than a white man” is not helpful to heal the racial wounds. Does racism exists this country you bet, racism exists and wide spread, but we hope our leaders try to deal these social issues but not to fan the fire. The democrats have lied to the black community for several decade now, the basic message is hey you as a black person you have no chance to succeed in this country, so don’t even try to participate, vote for me I will tax the rich and you get your check every month. Of course the rich got to be the whites because blacks we know are poor. Black children beating up other black children for talking like whites, getting good grades, and dressing not like gang member. The black children are told why do you even try to succeed you know you have no chance, the white racist society is going to crush you, the only chance you have is to chase a ball or sell drugs, then you have your BMW and gold chain. The race businessman like Allen Sharpten and Jesse Jacksons are out there reinforcing this message. In this climate we have a black president but the message has not changed, this is black man and he has no chance to succeed in white America because he is black, not because the unemployment is the highest is 25 years, not because national debt hitting new record every day, not because he try to jam through bills the size of telephone book that nobody understand , not because he is taking over private economy , no he is failing because the white man before him made all this mess, the racist whites want him to fail. Please don’t quote Rush Limbaugh I know what he said. The message is the same, redistribution of the wealth, more welfare. One person I admire the most is Dr. Thomas Sowell and why he is not the role model for black kids .
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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                    Wow. Excellent example of incoherent race-baiting joeklein. Thanks for the madness.

                    We got it. You defend the teabaggers with their racist signs - they are just protesting taxes so the African witch doctor signs were appropriate "because they do not agree with the direction that this country is going". But Obama and Sotomayor are the issue. They are the racists or race-baiters that we must worry about because they "fan the flame". We got it. You have perfectly illustrated the race-baiting that I have been trying to explain to rightOn for weeks. I appreciate it.
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (October 03, 2009 2:49 pm ET)
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                    I'am a 57yr. old black man and I can't believe you had the nerve to post that junk jk. You've proven Mh point and have have shown YOUR racism. We lay around collecting checks? How do "white" people talk? Black children don't get good grades? Black people dress like gang members or risk getting beaten up? Ugggggg!Your stupidity and ignorance hurts.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
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                      Perhaps Congero we should thank him, though. At least he is either so dense or so honest to show his true colors. There is something to be said about knowing where you stand with a man rather than having to always read through his ulterior motives.
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                      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
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                        It also a perfect example of what I have been attempting to keep in the argument anytime race comes up. We have a tendency in this country to think that race-baiting is only what Al Sharpton or others do when they cry racism as a way of crying wolf. This does happen and when it does, it is deplorable.

                        But, the much more prevalent cases of race-baiting are the code words and stereotypes that are constantly played to by those on the right who know exactly the audience (apparently joeklein) that they are trying to reach by using these words or phrases. They know better, but they also know they can drum up a certain base (see joeklein) by playing to the worst demons in some of us.

                        There is a long held tradition of a superiority complex in white people in this country that, while it has lost some of its steam over the last two generations, is still very much alive. It is the caricature of the black man as lazy and infantile, yet also violent and frightening. He must be saved by the white man from his own ignorance - "Black children beating up other black children for getting good grades" - while also being controlled because, inherent in him is the instinct to be violent - "Black children beating up other black children for talking like whites and dressing not like gang member". It is still very much alive in certain areas of this country. And this is who these code words and phrases play to and they do it exceedingly well.

                        They have even recently attempted to co-opt the word racist into some kind of term that is only acceptable when applied to people with black or brown skin. It is no longer acceptable to call any white person on the right racist, but it is absolutely acceptable to refer to Gates, Sotomayor, Jeremiah Wright, or Obama as racist with very little or no evidence at all.
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                        • Author by congero6189599 (October 03, 2009 4:51 pm ET)
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                          Good post please keep exposing it when you see it!
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                        • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 6:19 pm ET)
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                          "The black man as lazy and infantile, yet also violent and frightening. He must be saved by the white man from his own ignorance - "

                          why you are trying to twist and spin what I said or did not say. How do you know what is in a man's heart or mind. My post speaks for itself, if you have a counter point please post, it may be spark a great conversation.
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                      • Author by congero6189599 (October 03, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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                        Now we know don't we.
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                    • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 5:57 pm ET)
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                      Conger I am glad identified yourself as black man and I like to have a conversation with you. I did not say every black person thinks that way or waiting to get their checks. We I was trying to say is the general belief among the black community. The race merchant and their constant you are a victim message . Did you konw Jessy Jackson gave $400,000 to his mistress to buy her silence, please tell me what kind of 8-5 job he has to come to such a great wealth, except defrauding the poor. why other ethnic group are successful and prospering, why only %39 blacks have traditional family, why the rate of illegitimacy rate is %77. Please don't dismiss my post as junk, Bill Cosby raised these issue, the race merchants ran him out of town. Why majority of ACORN members are black and demanding more welfare, or redistribution of wealth. I discussed the state of mind and limitation that some black people put on themself and others around them. This way of thinking prevent them from trying to make it like others do. I mentioned Thamas Sowell which I respect dearly and he is black, does that make me a racist ?. Black kids need positive messages, they need to look up and see the successful black people as role models. yes racism exist but education is a great equalizer.
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (October 03, 2009 8:08 pm ET)
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                        . Why majority of ACORN members are black and demanding more welfare, or redistribution of wealth.

                        More false outrage. ACORN has received $53 million over 15 years. War profiteers receive that much EVERY DAY and they are killing people and importing actual, real, live, underage sex slaves.

                        Where's the outrage over that?

                        And redistribution of wealth? I'm all for that. After all, the gap between the rich and poor of this country is the highest since the robber baron days. That era ended after we had a decade-long thing called the GREAT DEPRESSION.

                        In case you missed it, we narrowly averted another recession. And you want to continue economic policies that lead to depressions? Quite un-American.
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                        • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 8:49 pm ET)
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                          War profiteers receive that much EVERY DAY and they are killing people and importing actual, real, live, underage sex slaves.

                          Wrong is Worng no matter who is doing it, if you have any evidence please go public,let stop this injustise.

                          If you are for redistribution, please tell us how we go about it, is force necessary?
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                          • Author by jmille426471 (October 04, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
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                            Tax cuts are a form of wealth redistribution, are you upset about that?

                            Until you explain what the hell you're talking about, I'll assume you are.
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                        • Author by alerted (October 05, 2009 9:28 am ET)
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                          I am NOT for redistribution of wealth. I worked hard in school (via scholarships by the way) to get a degree, studied hard to get good grades and graduate. I am not reckless with my money because I know how hard I worked to earn it. I want to keep the money I earned to spend it on my family - our house, food on the table, clothes for the kids, etc. I don't anyone taking more money away from me to give to another person who might have not wanted to do well in school, who was lazy or has continually used bad judgement with financial issues. That is not my fault, nor do I feel like I should have to give more of my money to someone else.
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                          • Author by congero6189599 (October 05, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
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                            That is exactly whats happening except it ain't going to poor people it's going to Goldman Sachs and the rich and powerful. The top 1% make more than the combined wealth of the bottom 50%. CEO's take home 400x's more than their employees?? Then we prop up their their reckless adventures with more of our tax dollars. It ain't poor people that are robbing you.
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                      • Author by congero6189599 (October 04, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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                        Terms like "race merchant" and the general belief among the black community infuriate me. They infuriate because they are based on age old stereotypes, and deliberate distortions of race and class in this nation. First, there is no monolithic "black community" and no one voice speaks for us, and we could not have gotten as far as we have by playing the victim, that is insulting and reflects your ignorance of the history of our fight for equality. We are not whiners and every thing we have gained we've fought hard for overcoming the bigotry and ignorance of people such as yourself.


                        You hide your bigotry behind statistics you feel show that somehow it's black peoples state of mind and race merchants that is holding us back,while this may contain a kernal of truth it is a distortion and lie to elevate that kernal as the reason why when America gets a cold black people and other minorities get pneumonia, or why as the axiom goes "we're the last hired and first fired. Those reasons have alot to do with institutionalized racism and the class system of capitalism. Welfare was started not as an appeasment to black people(most people on welfare are not black)but as a recognition by society that poverty is endemic of the system itself. The gap between rich and poor is widenening and the "middle class" is fast disappearing. The last several decades have seen a redistribution upward,until today we see the top 1% of the country making more than the combined wealth of the bottom 50%. CEO's making 400x's more than their employees. 400x's!?! That is outrageous and unstainable for any humane society.

                        The unprecedented spending and Robin Hood in reverse policies of the last 8 yrs is not merely an accusation but a fact. During the last 8 yrs. poverty has increased,as has all the socio-economic problems resulting from that increase in poverty. The stats you give(don't know if their accurate)while disturbing is not just reflective of the black community but all of society. It ain't like Bristol Palin was black(imagine if that was Barack Obama's daughter). You have swallowed the lie of the underserving black and poor people as causes for the problems of society,what a dupe you and the tea-partiers are. Glenn Greenwald correctly explains this:

                        "...This is the paradox of the tea-party movement and other right-wing protests fueled by genuine citizen anger and fear. It is true that the federal government embraces redistributive policies and that middle-class income is seized in order that "someone else benefits." But so obviously, that "someone else" who is benefiting is not the poor and lower classes -- who continue to get poorer as the numbers living below the poverty line expand and the rich-poor gap grows in the U.S. to unprecedented proportions. The "someone else" that is benefiting from Washington policies are -- as usual -- the super-rich, the tiny number of huge corporations which literally own and control the Government. The premise of these citizen protests is not wrong: Washington politicians are in thrall to special interests and are, in essence, corruptly stealing the country's economic security in order to provide increasing benefits to a small and undeserving minority. But the "minority" here isn't what Fox News means by that term, but is the tiny sliver of corporate power which literally writes our laws and, in every case, ends up benefiting..."

                        And heres the kicker Jk and what's is so puzzeling about your attacks on ACORN:

                        "...The people who win whenever the federal government expands its power are the ones who, through their massive resources and lobbyists armies, control what the government does: the richest and most powerful corporations. And yet -- in an extreme paradox -- those are the people who are venerated by the Right: they simultaneously spew rage at what's happening in Washington while revering and defending the interests of the oligarchs who are most responsible..."
                        http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/09/14/resentment/index.html

                        You should read the article and educate yourself. You are correct but not only black children but all children need good role models. Role models like a Barack Obama who was raised in a single parent family, worked his way through school, law school(Harvard)and finished at the head of his class becoming a professor of constitutional law a US Senator and now President of the USA. What a great American success story, what a story for all children that despite the most dire circumstances if YOU try hard and work for it you can reach the stars . No where in his story will you find this conservatiive myth of black victim hood. Sonia Sotomyor(sp)another story of rising from the ashes of poverty. Growing up in the South Bronx(my old neighborhood)one of the poorest congressional districts in the country,living in the projects having to teach herself how to read english and yet graduating at the top of her class from Ivy league university and becoming the first Latina on the Supreme Court. Everything in society told these fine examples "NO YOU CAN'T, but "YES THEY DID." Imagine what young people are learning from the attacks they are seeing from bigots like you.

                        Barack Obama inherited an economy that was on the brink of collaspe by the greed and corruption of Wall St. and corporations aided by conservative polices that opened up the public coffeurs to them and funneled your tax-dollars not to the black and poor but to the rich and powerful. That is not whining that is fact. Unemployment is not the result of the spending by Obama but the reckless Robin Hood in reverse policies of 8 yrs. of conservatism. We need to spend and spend more for those families and individuals affected by the greed of the last 8 yrs., after we recover then we can talk about the deficit. You cons had no problem with the placing of two wars on the public credit card while taxes were cut for the rich under George Bush. Despite that 95% of people(those making less than $250,000 -$200,000)will see a tax-cut not increase,and the top 2-5% will see a return to the top tax-rate of 39% from 36%,under Obama, hardly a redistribution. It is the working poeple of this country of all colors who create the wealth in society but receive the cold shoulder when any policy is tried to eleviate their pain and suffering. Bigots like you allow for the perpetuation of this robbery of the working man as you fall prey to the corporatist propaganda that it is the poor and minorities who are unfairly receiving undeserved benefits and bringing down society while just the opposite is true.





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                        • Author by joeklein395301 (October 04, 2009 9:40 pm ET)
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                          Dear congero thank you for taking the time and posting this great article. I really enjoyed reading your post. You brought up excellent points that are great subjects to discuss further. I hope I be able to post my ideas soon. Thanks again
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      • Author by the Grey Path (October 02, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
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        TRAITORS.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 03, 2009 12:19 am ET)
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          And in Chicago, they know how to deal with traitors...
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          • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 2:34 am ET)
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            Are these guys SEIU members who do the beating. This was amateur hours at its best, I was convinced that this one was in the bag before he and Michelle and their entourage set off to Holland. Michelle says it was a great scarifies for her to take time off her busy day to come here, he says my country sucked before I became president it is all fine now give me the Olympics. The ego of this man is amazing; he thinks it is all about him. He goes to Europe give speech to a bunch of socialist and anarchist, and he feels love. While this love fest is going on his general is begging for more troop and resources because he is losing the the war to a bunch of terrorist with AK47, but his plea falls on the deaf ears. What is wrong with this picture.
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            • Author by loonz (October 03, 2009 7:30 am ET)
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              I was convinced that this one was in the bag before he and Michelle and their entourage set off to Holland.


              You were convinced because the IOC sent you a fax, right?
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              • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
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                you have people on the ground and if they are competent will tell you have chance or not before you stick your neck out. The fact that Chicago was the first city to be elliminated tell me they had no clue.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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              "Are these guys SEIU members who do the beating. This was amateur hours at its best, I was convinced that this one was in the bag before he and Michelle and their entourage set off to Holland. Michelle says it was a great scarifies for her to take time off her busy day to come here, he says my country sucked before I became president it is all fine now give me the Olympics. The ego of this man is amazing; he thinks it is all about him. He goes to Europe give speech to a bunch of socialist and anarchist, and he feels love. While this love fest is going on his general is begging for more troop and resources because he is losing the the war to a bunch of terrorist with AK47, but his plea falls on the deaf ears. What is wrong with this picture." - joeklein

              Does anybody understand this rambling nonsense? This is the kind of crap I hear from right-wingers today. Incoherent, jumbled nonsense. 'People in unions are thugs, Michelle Obama hates America, Barack Obama has too much of an ego, Europeans are all socialists AND anarchists (special kind of stupid to lump those together), Obama is having a lovefest in Europe while terrorists have AK47s, Obama sucks because he couldn't get the Olympics, I'm glad Europe told Obama no, but, but, but'.....GET A MESSAGE. This is all you got? It's total nonsense. Where are the conservatives in the right-wing with a sound mind? Are there no legitimate reasons for debate left on your side? This is what you have left? Then your political ideology is dead. Time to scrap the Republican party and start over from scratch. Enjoy the wilderness and take Beck, Limbaugh, etc. with you. Start a new party and call it the Batsh1t Party. You can win some local elections in small town in the South and Midwest and let the adults make the real decisions in this country.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 03, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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                NO. Joeklein's an idiot. Like mot of these trolls. It's like they take a bunch of buzzwords, shake them up in a can, dump them out on the table and then make incoherent sentences from picking up the words at random.

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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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                  Exactly. Madlibs for the partisan loons that believe that Beck and Limbaugh and Dobbs, etc. have their best interests at heart.
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                • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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                  The only violence I saw at town hall meetings was a bunch of guys with SEIU jackets kicking a black man on the ground.
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
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                    I will repeat it for the slow kids in class:

                    GET A MESSAGE. This is all you got? It's total nonsense. Where are the conservatives in the right-wing with a sound mind? Are there no legitimate reasons for debate left on your side? This is what you have left? Then your political ideology is dead. Time to scrap the Republican party and start over from scratch. Enjoy the wilderness and take Beck, Limbaugh, etc. with you. Start a new party and call it the Batsh1t Party. You can win some local elections in small towns in the South and Midwest and let the adults make the real decisions in this country.
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                    • Author by joeklein395301 (October 03, 2009 7:43 pm ET)
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                      The republicans are ahead for governorship in New Jeresy and Virginia. Time will tell we are headed to wilderness or not. we, the republicans, are making a come back. The reason we lost the election was that we had a buffoon for candidate, but we are not going to make the same mistake again. Your your so called adults so far have cluster **** this country. sweet dreams for now.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 05, 2009 11:16 am ET)
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              I was convinced that this one was in the bag before he and Michelle and their entourage set off to Holland.
              Are you of the belief that Copenhagen is in Holland?
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          • Author by TheDieHard (October 03, 2009 8:56 am ET)
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            That is ONE GREAT CARTOON. Syndicate it, huh?
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      • Author by captfoster2 (October 02, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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        right ON

        Do yourself a favor and try not to act as if you give a damn!

        You trying to distance yourself from your own ideology is as pathetic as it is hilarious... "Either way these idiots pounce on anything they can get their grimy microphones on."

        As for Glenn Beck... in this audio clip, toward the end of it he asked the question about whether any other foreign leader had shown up to make the case for their country had ever failed in doing so...

        It would seem that the president's of China and Spain are in the same boat as Obama under that notion.

        Which makes this anti-American glee from these insignificant humans, yet influential insects of the right-wing so sickening!
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        • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
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          Your opinion of my sincerity is flattering, but essentially worthless to me. Meh
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        • Author by n'est-ce pas (October 02, 2009 10:04 pm ET)
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          I think you're out of line, captfoster2. Kneejerk attacks on conservatives are as unproductive as...consertavism, actually. right ON presented a reasonable opinion shared by other conservatives about the stars of hate radio. I think we liberals should encourage such behavior. It could possibly lead to the first actual debate between the two ideological camps in thirty years. Now wouldn't that be a nice change....
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      • Author by Ofermod (October 02, 2009 7:14 pm ET)
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        I guess the case could easily be made that rooting against Obama is rooting against America.

        I wouldn't be too sure of that. It seems to be the American Way to root against the President. I mean, first democrats root against Bush, and now republicans root against Obama. Great to see the nation is treating both sides equally, isn't it?
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 05, 2009 11:23 am ET)
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          Except the left beat up on Bush for things he actually did, like lie the country into a war against a country that didn't attack us, looking for weapons that didn't exist, to be paid for with oil that wasn't ours.

          The right is beating up on Obama for being an overexposed egotist who doesn't spend enough time on television, who is a Muslim who went to a Christian Church for twenty years with a pastor who hated America after he got out of the Marines serving his country. They get on Obama for being a Socialist, Fascist, Marxist Anarchist who wants all the corporations in America to fail so the Government, which fails at everything, can take them over. Except that Government, which fails at everything, would do such a good job selling insurance that the insurance companies would all go out of business because of a little competition.

          Criticism of Bush was for things that are tangible. The current criticism of Obama is delusional at best.

          Obama Derangement Syndrome is much more virulent than Clinton Derangement Syndrome ever was.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 03, 2009 12:18 am ET)
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        And you just lick it up off the floor, don't you?

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      • Author by Buzzramjet (October 04, 2009 3:48 am ET)
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        Obama was facing a lose lose situation no matter what. IF he had gotten the Olympic bid, they would have been all over him for ruining Chicago's economy by saying Chicago was going to have to declare bankruptcy and....well you get the idea.
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      • Author by tuersm3856 (October 04, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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        Now hold on just a minute...I was listening to NPR's On Point and everyone was calling in, giving their particular reasons, saying Chicago should NOT get the Olympics. Hardly a right-wing crowd.

        Who cares about the Olympics anyway? It's a eugenics ritual dug up from an evil and rightfully ruined ancient culture and embraced by Hitler himself (who popularized such Olympics icons as the "ring" logo and the torch).
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      • Author by tuersm3856 (October 05, 2009 6:32 am ET)
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        I actually caught that pig Rush Limbaugh's radio show during this broadcast. Can you believe that pill-popping windbag went on to say that Obama's "friends" in Chicago owned some of the property (slums) that the Olympic Park was to be built on? That was the best part, MMfA! Why did you omit that?
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    • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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      http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gabler2-2009oct02,0,7817347.story

      this article is an excellent analysis of why.
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    • Author by draftedin68 (October 02, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
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      In a word...

      So Glenn, you said: "Oh, it's so sweet."

      Really?

      Glenn, I'm trying hard to think of an adjective or a noun to describe you that won't denigrate that word.

      Words like "moron", "schidt-for-brains", etc., just impugn all morons, schidt, brains, etc.

      Ooo! Ooo! I got it!

      "Bigot!"
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    • Author by raine315 (October 02, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
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      The wingnuts are trying to turn this into President Obama's "Shoe Upside The Head Moment". As if the world all of sudden hates the man. Its simply not the case.

      When it comes down to it I rather have a President so call "fail" at bringing the games to Chicago than a President who fails at national security by allowing jet liners crash into our skyscrapers

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      • Author by bowyobac (October 02, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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        Its amazing the so called ones who are so patriotic would cheer that an American City is denied a chance at the Olympics.
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        • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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          Indeed! Zogby said that 82% of people nationwide wanted the Olympics in Chicago. 82%!!!
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          • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:34 am ET)
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            I find it scary that there's 18% of the American people that want the United States to fail. But then again they follow a leader who wants to bring America back to the day after one of our biggest failures in our history. To Glenn Beck it was a great day when lower Manhattan was a smoldering ruin.
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (October 02, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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      I am really disappointed that Chicago didn't get the Olympics. Chicago is a great American city. It is like New York in many ways, but the great thing about it is; it is truly Midwestern. The people are friendly, open, and just down right nice.

      Make us proud Chicago, go for it for 2020.
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      • Author by highliter (October 02, 2009 3:35 pm ET)
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        There is absolutely nothing Midwestern about Chicago.
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        • Author by Whispers (October 02, 2009 3:44 pm ET)
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          Except its location?

          (boggling at stupidity)
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        • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
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          Not even the weather or the time zone? :-0
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          • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 7:33 pm ET)
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            Or the fact that Chicago is nearly surrounded by corn and soy fields?
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        • Author by canaanxing9025 (October 02, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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          highliter:

          Ok, I'll bite. What is not Midwestern about Chicago?
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          • Author by highliter (October 02, 2009 5:23 pm ET)
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            Look at how people vote in the Midwest you find that Chicago most of the time is a splotch of blue in a sea of red.
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            • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 5:44 pm ET)
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              Don't most of the large cities in the midwest vote Democrat?
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              • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:36 am ET)
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                After the last election the midwest to Highlighter is now in the deep south. Must be climate change.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 02, 2009 5:52 pm ET)
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              Wow. Just startling to read this stuff. So now whether or not you are a real Midwestern or a real American depends on whether or not you vote Republican? Just startling. So Kansas City is no longer Midwestern, nor Topeka, nor Wichita. How about Davenport, Iowa? Can they still be Midwestern? Des Moines, Iowa? Omaha, Nebraska?
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              • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
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                The thing that amazes me MH is that they say the most ridiculous things believing(to them)it makes perfect sense!?! This is a little off topic but i saw a clip of Sara Taylor the bushie that couldn't get through her head that the oath she took was to the constitution not GB. Leahy questioned her and reminded her that she was pledging to the constititution and she nodded and replied that he was right and she was wrong and then proceded to repeat that she took her oath seriously to support the president. DONG!ZIP!ZONG! KLUMP! What is on these peoples mind?
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                • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 7:31 pm ET)
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                  I think the wingnut is confusing "midwestern" for "heartland", the latter being the wingnut code word for "wingnut".
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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                  "What is on these peoples mind?" - congero

                  Apparently, only what they are spoonfed by entertainers disguised as political leaders or statemen. It is truly hurting our national discourse and therefore our country as a whole.
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            • Author by worrierking (October 03, 2009 10:26 am ET)
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              And where would these people in the sea of red be today if not for Chicago?

              There'd be no midwest without the population centers.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 04, 2009 2:34 am ET)
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                That's just your big city elitism, Worrierking. All the wingnuts want is a Utopia America; two or three hundred farms across the country, a church within walking distance of each of them, and nothing else.

                Then they could just work hard, not pay any taxes, get their farm subsidies and massive immigration projects, sell their corn to each other, and all be rich.
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                • Author by worrierking (October 04, 2009 8:02 am ET)
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                  And who's going to print their bibles and manufacture, sell and repair their firearms?

                  And you can't grow the crayons they'll need to make signs bitching about the guy in the White House with no birf certificate or small pox vaccination.
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                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 04, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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                    I meant "irrigation projects", not "immigration", but it was late.

                    As for the rest of those things they'll need, all I can say is "Duh!". The Free Market and Capitalism will step in and provide them.

                    Have you learned nothing from the wingnuts who take the time to come here and share their wisdom?
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                    • Author by worrierking (October 05, 2009 8:32 am ET)
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                      No need for a correction. I know the wingnuts are all crazy about a massive immigration policy too. Immigration back to Mexico.

                      Share their wisdom? Ha!

                      I spent yesterday cleaning up all of the wisdom my dog shares with me in my yard.

                      I didn't need The Free Market and Capitalism to provide what I stepped in.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 02, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
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          "There is absolutely nothing Midwestern about Chicago." - hi

          Wow. You have said many stupid things on this site, hi, but that may be the best of the lot. Truly remarkable.

          It should be noted that the right-wing craziness which lets entertainers masquerading as political leaders run their agenda have officially taken another step towards the ultimate fringe. They now openly root against their own country so long as it also means their political opponents lose. It has not taken very long for you crazies to openly, without hesitation, root against your own country.

          And now, you feel the need to actually attack one of your own cities. Utterly amazing. I would suggest you read the article that bintx has posted for a more thorough understanding of the fundamentalist beliefs that are motivating these ideas, hi.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 03, 2009 12:24 am ET)
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          I suppose there's nothing MOUNTAIN about Colorado either, huh?

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    • Author by Jan in Texas (October 02, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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      Obama is a disgrace.
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      • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 3:54 pm ET)
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        Really? And you say this, why? Give me real facts about things that Obama has actually done wrong . . . not BS from Fox, but real FACTS.

        I was not an Obama supporter, but so far, the only things I have a problem with him about are his lack of bringing the criminals from the last administration to justice and his failure to correct the assaults made on the fourth amendment by the last administration. Obama was left with a HUGE mess created by GWB . . . I can point to every single one of GWB's screw-ups with government documents to back me up. What do you have?
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        • Author by alerted (October 02, 2009 5:20 pm ET)
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          Give me some REAL facts for something - anything - that Obama has accomplished in his first 10 months??
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          • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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            Well considering that he inherited an economy that is/was headed for depression,two wars,robbing our economy of needed resources(one unnecessary and the other mismanaged)healthcare system with 47 million uninsured ,a world image that had us hated and despised almost everywhere that made it hard to get allies in pursuit of national interest I think he's done alot,although no way finished.
            The stimulus was necessary and the full effects haven't been felt yet but there is no doubt that unemployment and job losses would have been even greater if we followed the continued path of Mcsame/Palin of tax-cuts for the rich-- it was those policies that got us here. He has passed tax-cuts for 95% of Americans which will take place next year. He has proceeded on the agreed path to get our troops out of Iraq the STFA which layed out an 18 month not 10 month withdrawal. We are honestly talking about steps to take in Afghanistan after the last administration dropped the ball there by stretching our military thin in a needless war in Iraq. Another example of human and economic resources wasted that has brought us to our knees. He has reaffirmed our pledge to follow law national and international not to torture(which GB and his administration violated),he is on track in trying to close GITMO although Repugnicans are placing road blocks. He is attempting rectify the shame on our country of having 43,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health insurance,14,000 p/day who loose insurance, and the countless others who face forcloser and bankruptcy doe to healthcare cost and lack of insurance by providing for a public option. I could go on but your partisan attacks really don't won't answers you want to ridicule. No where not out of the woods yet but there is no doubt that if we had followed you cons we'd be in much worse shape. Texas ranks last in almost everything including common sense.
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          • Author by jwcoop715110 (October 02, 2009 7:25 pm ET)
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            He prevented the latest bush recession from becoming the first bush depression.
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          • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:41 am ET)
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            the Dow Jones is up at a higher percentage since Obama took office than at anytime in Bush's administration from when Bush took office. The economy is stable.

            By this time in Bush's administration we had a stolen election, some dead Japanese kids killed by Bush Campaign donors, Bush caving in to the Chinese over the airplane incident, Bush giving the Afghans aid after they blew up buddist statues, 9-11, and his first recession.
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      • Author by jjcomet514 (October 02, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
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        And you're a moron. Your point, please? Besides that thing on top of your head...
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      • Author by kdpeterson (October 02, 2009 10:42 pm ET)
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        Jan, what was your opinion about Bush? Please respond it will say alot about who you are.

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      • Author by jmille426471 (October 03, 2009 6:32 am ET)
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        No president has ever inherited a worse situation than Obama. With that in mind, I think he's done ok.

        And lemme guess, you're one of those people who thought Bush was awesome?
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        • Author by jmille426471 (October 03, 2009 6:36 am ET)
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          Well, I forgot Lincoln, so shoot me.
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        • Author by highliter (October 05, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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          Regan took over a far worse economy from Carter. I.e. double digit inflation, Double digit interest rates and double digit unemployment.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 05, 2009 11:40 am ET)
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            Regan took over a far worse economy from Carter.
            Donald Regan? He was never President. This country never had a President named Regan.
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            • Author by highliter (October 05, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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              I m sorry Im at work and I have to post fast and im not a very good at typing. You know dam well who im talking about Ronald Reagan. But by all means ignore the post a make fun of typos its what your best at.
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          • Author by jmille426471 (October 05, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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            Did he inherit two badly mismanaged wars as well? Btw, the economic trouble of the '70s was related to much more temporary factors, like oil prices, than today's.
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          • Author by jmille426471 (October 05, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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            Did he inherit two badly mismanaged wars as well? Btw, the economic trouble of the '70s was related to much more temporary factors, like oil prices, than today's.
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    • Author by didi (October 02, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
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      First they hated Democrats, then they hated liberals, then they hated the "left wing media", then they hated Clinton, then they hated secular people, then they hated San Francisco, then they hated New York, then they hated California, then they hated the northeast and now they are working on the midwest.

      Who's next? How far will this go?
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      • Author by aviationrox (October 02, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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        My guess is that their hatred will soon reach a critical mass where it will just continue to feed off itself until it self-destructs. Ten bucks says it's Glenn Beck who has a break-down first.
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    • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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      My foreman who is a far righty told me gleefully that Obama was rejected by the IOC. I said "Alright". I'm not sure why he thought the decision would be something I was focused on. I'm more interested in health care reform and what the final bill will look like.
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    • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 3:41 pm ET)
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      Apparently, the bid failed because Chicago couldn't come up with adequate financing.
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      • Author by So Fain (October 02, 2009 4:11 pm ET)
           
        Where is this posted?
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        • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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          I read it on CNN, I believe.
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          • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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            That's not true about inadequate financing:

            Chicago overcame one of its biggest hurdles when the city council approved all financial guarantees for the games, clearing the way for Mayor Richard M. Daley to sign the host city contract if Chicago wins. That was a major step for a U.S. bid city, which — unlike rival candidates — can't rely on federal government financial backing.

            Does everyone understand the IOC voting process? In the first round of voting, none of the cities had more than 50% of the votes, so the city with the lowest votes was eliminated. Correct me if I'm wrong ... Chicago could have been eliminated with as much as 24% of the vote, the other cities having 25%, 25%, and 26%.

            Also consider strategy. This type of voting is not straightforward. That Chicago was eliminated first does not necessarily indicate that it was the least favorite of all or even the majority of IOC voters.

            We can't draw any conclusions until the votes are fully disclosed and/or IOC members explain their votes.

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            • Author by alerted (October 02, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
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              The IOC itself put out a report earlier this month -- September 2 I believe - discussing the problems with the financing and waffling about public/private financing for the Olympics bid....
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              • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 7:29 pm ET)
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                The Chicago city council approved the guarantees on September 9. (49 to 0 vote.)
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      • Author by emero510 (October 02, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
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        There's plenty of reasons for Chicago's failed bid. Trying to blame Obama for it is probably the dumbest thing I've heard lately. I live in Chicago, and by the most recent polls, the city is split right down the middle whether we even wanted it. Mayor Daley has fought for this since day 1, it'd be the perfect highlight to a corrupt and spotty career. Sure, there's private investors, but they'd also suck billions of tax dollars into this, tax money we desperately need for schools, roads, public transit and a whole host of other things. Everyone points to the money this would bring in, but we're not stupid. Look at Salt Lake or Atlanta, the short term gain of revenue and jobs is completely unsustainable and the years afterwards we're left with buildings we don't need and debts we don't want.

        I'm celebrating, but not because this makes Obama look stupid.
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        • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
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          The city was NOT split right down the middle. Zogby poll from September 29 revealed that 72% of Chicagoans (and 82% of people nationwide) wanted the Olympics to be in Chicago.

          I live in Chicago too and I'm not stupid. I wanted Chicago to host the games. I hope we try again. This was Rio's 3rd attempt. I think Rio was a good choice, the games have never been in South America.

          Remember, the IOC thought highly enough of Chicago to include it in the top 4. We are hardly losers.
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        • Author by right ON (October 02, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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          Don't tell Victor, who said Fox News played a part in the Olympic committee's decision above, your reasons.

          Thank you for shedding light on the real reasons.
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          • Author by Victor Colorado (October 02, 2009 7:54 pm ET)
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            Hey, right ON, that's a crack interpretation of:

            In truth, I wouldn't put our right wing media's week-long campaign against America getting the Olympics in a top ten list of why Chicago was not picked.

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            • Author by rms (October 04, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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              Is that anything like Sean Hannity reporting that President Obama said that Health Care organization CEO's were bad people even though what the President actually said was the exact opposite?

              Does right ON moonlight for Fox?
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 05, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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                right ON moons MMfA regularly. It's apparently the most intelligent part of his body.
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    • Author by Whispers (October 02, 2009 3:43 pm ET)
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      It really is weird how many people will instinctively oppose anything that Obama supports. You can bet that if Bush had tried to bring the Olympics to Houston, that 99% of the complainers cited above would have been telling us how the Olympics were important for national pride, and could have showcased America, etc., etc. And then if Houston had lost the bid, they would have focused their scorn on the international voters.

      It is interesting to see right-wingers pretend to actually respect the opinions of anybody outside the US. Historically, they have worn any rejection by the international community as a badge of pride.

      I think one could make a strong argument that a big reason that the American bid failed was international disrespect for the US, which blossomed during the Bush years to unprecedented heights.

      I don't quite see how Obama's involvement could reasonably be described as "costly". He took a trip to Denmark. Is that considered an unreasonable expense? Only if the President is a Democrat.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 3:51 pm ET)
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        "...Is that considered an unreasonable expense? Only if the President is a Democrat..." sssssssshhhhhhhhhh! (in a whisper) "he's black also."
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      • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 3:54 pm ET)
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        It is weird. Everyone seemed to be disappointed when New York failed to win the Olympics a few years back and now some people are cheering another failed attempt just because they hate the president.
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      • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
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        Actually, it was apparently a lack of adequate financing.
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      • Author by Bizarro (October 02, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
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        You're absolutely right Whispers. It makes all the sense in the world to have Chicago represented by its finest citizens (ie. Oprah and the Obama's). Its a grand gesture to have our President represent our country and his State to bid for the Olympics. Unfortunately, Bush ruined America's foreign identity with pre-emptive revenge war. The IOC can teach Chicago a thing or two about corruption.

        It would have been a grand celebration in Chicago today, but alas, it didn't happen that way.
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        • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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          The other countries' top leaders were present.

          I wanted Chicago to get the games (I'm in Chicago), but I'm happy that Rio got them.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 02, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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      Michael Jordan, Jim Thome, Sammy Sosa and William Perry should invite themselves onto Beck's (and some of these other bastard's) show(s) and DARE him to say it again.

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      Measley, cowardly, traitourous little pipsqueak!
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    • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 02, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
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      Funny, I don't remember this kind of hand wringing when the Demorats were rooting against us while we were at WAR. You know that loser Harry Reid saying how the war was lost. How about little Dickie Durbin comparing my fellow soldiers to Natzis and war criminals? Or Lurch Kerry saying how our soldiers were intentionally bombing villages? Or his comments about how dumb our military was? Where was your outrage then MMFA?
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      • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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        We wanted Bush to end an illegal war and face war crime charges and you supported the war criminal.
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        • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 02, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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          Really? Is that why Hollyweird at every chance they could, made movies making our soldiers look like monsters? Let's not forget that other pig John Murtha [a disgrace to the Marine Corp] accussing our soldiers of being murderers in Haditha? Those soldiers were all exonerated, but their names were dragged through the mud, honorable men serving their country ,where do they go to get back their reputations?
          And when they were making the movie "Death of a President" showing Bush being assasinated where was your righteous indignation then? I didn't hear anyone on the left or right for that matter saying," If any harm comes to Bush it would be the left's fault.How many signs were carried calling for the death of Bush? If you google it, almost 350,000 pictures come up showing him as a Nazi, monkey, hanging, burning and the like. MMFA your hypocrisy is staggering.
          And to you LOONZ, I supported OUR SOLDIERS!!!!
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          • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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            Again, you are misquoting folks. One would think after you were embarrassed about your Levin "quote" the other day, you would have learned to LOOK THINGS UP. When you post misquotes, it makes you look stupid.

            Also, I might add that the movie "Death of a President" was made in Great Britain by a British director. Film distributors in the US refused to pick up the film. LOTS of folks objected to the movie.

            You are aware that just because you get 350,000 hits on Google, that doesn't mean what you are looking at is real, right? You really need to learn to look at legitimate, reputable websites.

            Again, look it up, your incorrect nonsense here just shows how uninformed you are.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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            fishergurl you ignorance knows no bounds. There was murder in Haditha as well as torture in Abu-Gharib. The film about GB you speak of was made by a British companny get it , it was British and it in no way called for his assination but was a parody of if he was assinated what would happen. Get your facts straight! The pictures you speak of about Bush 350,000 of them all were by Americans right? How many of them were for lying us into the war in Iraq? A war he asked OUR brethen(not his Bush,Rumsfeld,Cheney never fought in a War)to make the ultimate sacrifice for that turned out to be a lie...No WMD, no ties to Al-Queda,no ties to 9/11 and Iraq in shambles. 4 million refugees,over 100,000 Iraqi dead, over 4,000 US dead and 31,000 wounded many of them seriously and many returning to no jobs post military. Yes THEY are honorable but they were dishonered not by Murtha or some other knee jerk hatred you have for democrats but by the people you foolishly come here to defend. Tell me how asking someone to give their life for a lie is a honor. You should be angry but like many on the right you defend those who have their foot up your butt , hand in your pocket and camera in your bedroom, and don't give a hoot about you. That is not patriotism that is pure stupidity and your continued refusal to open your eyes and support those who care nothing about your life is pure insanity.
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            • Author by highliter (October 02, 2009 5:36 pm ET)
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              There was murder in Haditha


              Really prove it all the Marines were absolved of ANY wrong doing

              Torture in Abu-Garb

              I pray to god that if im captured the worst thing that happens to me is being barked at by dogs and taking embarrassing pictures.
              Torture my ass


              Please show me the proof that Bush knew there were no WMD’s in IRAQ. There is a difference between being wrong and lying.

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              • Author by peace4all (October 02, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
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                Really prove it all the Marines were absolved of ANY wrong doing

                yes, and pat tillman died after being killed by the taliban and jessica lynch was rescued by the brave special forces in a daring raid on an iraqi hospital.

                I pray to god that if im captured the worst thing that happens to me is being barked at by dogs and taking embarrassing pictures.
                Torture my ass

                so your saying that the soldiers who went to jail did so because they let a dog bark at prisoners and took but photos?

                my god, please tell me your not that simple minded.
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              • Author by pete592 (October 02, 2009 7:05 pm ET)
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                I pray to god that if im captured the worst thing that happens to me is being barked at by dogs and taking embarrassing pictures.
                Torture my ass
                You think that a barking dog was the worst thing that happened in Abu Ghraib?


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              • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 7:31 pm ET)
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                You cons must live under a rock,he was wrong and he lied because their was evidence to the contrary and the inspections were working but if i have to do your homework for you :
                http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/#
                False Pretenses
                Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.


                By Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith
                January 23, 2008

                President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.

                On at least 532 separate occasions (in speeches, briefings, interviews, testimony, and the like), Bush and these three key officials, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan, stated unequivocally that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (or was trying to produce or obtain them), links to Al Qaeda, or both. This concerted effort was the underpinning of the Bush administration's case for war..."

                In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Not surprisingly, the officials with the most opportunities to make speeches, grant media interviews, and otherwise frame the public debate also made the most false statements, according to this first-ever analysis of the entire body of prewar rhetoric.

                President Bush, for example, made 232 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and another 28 false statements about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Secretary of State Powell had the second-highest total in the two-year period, with 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Rumsfeld and Fleischer each made 109 false statements, followed by Wolfowitz (with 85), Rice (with 56), Cheney (with 48), and McClellan (with 14).

                The massive database at the heart of this project juxtaposes what President Bush and these seven top officials were saying for public consumption against what was known, or should have been known, on a day-to-day basis. This fully searchable database includes the public statements, drawn from both primary sources (such as official transcripts) and secondary sources (chiefly major news organizations) over the two years beginning on September 11, 2001. It also interlaces relevant information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches, and interviews.

                Consider, for example, these false public statements made in the run-up to war:

                On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." In fact, former CIA Director George Tenet later recalled, Cheney's assertions went well beyond his agency's assessments at the time. Another CIA official, referring to the same speech, told journalist Ron Suskind, "Our reaction was, 'Where is he getting this stuff from?' "
                In the closing days of September 2002, with a congressional vote fast approaching on authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, Bush told the nation in his weekly radio address: "The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. . . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year." A few days later, similar findings were also included in a much-hurried National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction — an analysis that hadn't been done in years, as the intelligence community had deemed it unnecessary and the White House hadn't requested it.
                In July 2002, Rumsfeld had a one-word answer for reporters who asked whether Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda terrorists: "Sure." In fact, an assessment issued that same month by the Defense Intelligence Agency (and confirmed weeks later by CIA Director Tenet) found an absence of "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda." What's more, an earlier DIA assessment said that "the nature of the regime's relationship with Al Qaeda is unclear."
                On May 29, 2003, in an interview with Polish TV, President Bush declared: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories." But as journalist Bob Woodward reported in State of Denial, days earlier a team of civilian experts dispatched to examine the two mobile labs found in Iraq had concluded in a field report that the labs were not for biological weapons. The team's final report, completed the following month, concluded that the labs had probably been used to manufacture hydrogen for weather balloons.
                On January 28, 2003, in his annual State of the Union address, Bush asserted: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." Two weeks earlier, an analyst with the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research sent an email to colleagues in the intelligence community laying out why he believed the uranium-purchase agreement "probably is a hoax."
                On February 5, 2003, in an address to the United Nations Security Council, Powell said: "What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence. I will cite some examples, and these are from human sources." As it turned out, however, two of the main human sources to which Powell referred had provided false information. One was an Iraqi con artist, code-named "Curveball," whom American intelligence officials were dubious about and in fact had never even spoken to. The other was an Al Qaeda detainee, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, who had reportedly been sent to Eqypt by the CIA and tortured and who later recanted the information he had provided. Libi told the CIA in January 2004 that he had "decided he would fabricate any information interrogators wanted in order to gain better treatment and avoid being handed over to [a foreign government]."
                The false statements dramatically increased in August 2002, with congressional consideration of a war resolution, then escalated through the mid-term elections and spiked even higher from January 2003 to the eve of the invasion."


                As far as the other drivel about Abu-Gharib and marines being absovled I point you to the cover-up of the friendly fire death of Pat Tillman research his story of a true patriot. Innocent civilians were gunned down women and children in Haditha and the military is covering it up just like they tried to do with Patriot Tillman, but you'll allow them to do it because it fits your politics. You denigrate his name and the deaths and injuries of all our soldiers and Iraqis by trying to brush aside the atrocities that took place as only barking dogs and embarassing pictures,at ABU-Gharib. As you probably do with GITMO! The number of enemies we've created and the number of deaths of our troops will never be known because of these "barking" dogs and pictures as you say caused by these actions. You are woefully uninformed and incurious as seems par for the course for you cons. Release all the photos then if all it was, was a happy fizzies party. Your post is as ignorant and insightful into the mind of a con as your statement Chicago is not in the midwest. Truly astonishing.




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              • Author by DellDolly (October 02, 2009 9:47 pm ET)
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                The UN Weapons Inspectors were telling him that there were no WMD's. They had had time to look in all the most likely places, and had interviewed all the scientists who would know about WMD stockpiles, and they had even talked to Saddam and his aides, and they had all said "No WMD stockpiles, none left over that are still any good".

                But Bush had no other legit reason to go to war with Iraq except for WMD's, so he couldn't wait for the UN Weapons Inspectors to produce a public report that said no WMD's, so he went ahead and invaded. He knew there were no WMD's. That's clearly why he invaded when he did, after Saddam had begun cooperating and the sanctions were still working.

                The only reason to invade under those circumstances was because he knew that there were no WMD's.
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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (October 02, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
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                There is a difference between being wrong and lying.


                There isn't a hell of a "difference" to the over 4,500 DEAD American soldiers!

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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 03, 2009 12:10 am ET)
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                There is a difference between being wrong and lying.

                Yeah... and you've proven that difference is stupidity.

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                Not even worth refuting.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 03, 2009 2:18 am ET)
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                Torture my ass

                Hiliter, there's a film called Taxi to the Darkside. I believe it won an Oscar in the documentary category. It may be too strong a dose of reality for today's "conservative" to digest in one sitting, but I highly recommend it.

                Do yourself a favor, and watch it before you post anything as dimwitted as this.

                Unless that's the heading for your personal ad, and you accidentally logged onto the wrong site, in which case, never mind.

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            • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 03, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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              congero, beautifully said I agree with your last post 100%.Way to put fishygirl in her place.
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          • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
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            If you supported the young men and women in the military, you would have stood with us and opposed the illegal war that has claimed the lives of more the 4300 servicemembers and maimed tens of thousands but you chose to stand with the war criminal Bush.
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          • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:02 am ET)
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            How dare you attack veterans like John Murtha and John Kerrey.

            And name me one movie that made pur soldiers look like monsters? Zombie movies don't count.

            Oh and the soldiers you're talking about were not exonerated. Unless exoneration means not executed. I know how your righties like to change meanings of words.

            And Death of a President had nothing to do with Bush. It had to deal with the death of a president and since Bush was president at the time, Guess what? If the movie was made in 1998 it would have been Clinton if it was made now it would be Obama. And THERE WAS PLENTY OF OUTRAGE from all corners. Of course your brain probably couldn't perceive that.

            But it's Britain you have a grievance with anyway. They made the movie.

            Not one sign in the US called for the death of Bush but plenty calling for the death of Obama, heck it was a question of the day on Facebook.

            It was disgraceful to compare Bush to Hitler, because Hitler actually won an election legitimately.

            If you support the war in Iraq, you supported our soldiers to die.

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      • Author by pointofview (October 02, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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        MMFA and the liberal elite have very selective memories. They are also very very good at ignoring all the anti-american things the left has said and done.
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        • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 4:10 pm ET)
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          I will say again, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them liberal any more than your spouting of false talking points and incorrect quotes makes you a conservative.

          Protesting an illegal and unnecessary invasion of a country which had not attacked us, threatened to do so or even had the MEANS to do so is not "anti-American" nor is it "anti-troops." Supporting that illegal and unnecessary invasion is anti-American and most definitely ANTI-TROOP!
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          • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 02, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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            Unlike you btnx , I consider myself an American and a Marine. I hate both parties equally.
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            • Author by Brabantio (October 02, 2009 5:00 pm ET)
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              Then I find it funny how you never spout falsehoods about Republicans, the way you do about Democrats.
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              • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 02, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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                Barb,
                I have stated my complete and utter disgust at the republicans as well. I have called for Gov. Warner to slink away into the night like the pig that he is. I have railed against Flush Limbaugh too many times to count and during the election I railed against Mclame. A crook is a crook to me even if it was my own mother, can the same be said for the posters here?
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                • Author by Brabantio (October 02, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
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                  Again, I find it funny that you don't misquote people on the right. Why is that?
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                  • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 02, 2009 5:36 pm ET)
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                    where is my misquote? Reid didn't say the war was lost? Murtha didn't accuse our soldiers of being murderers in Haditha? Durbin didn't compare them to Nazi's on the floor of the senate sveral years ago? please
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                    • Author by Brabantio (October 02, 2009 9:42 pm ET)
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                      Reid's quote was conditional, which means that it relied on something to occur. Your logic is like complaining that you were misled into believing you've won the Publisher's Clearing House sweepstakes when it says "if your number is drawn..." first. Durbin said that the methods we were using were like those seen in Nazi camps and gulags, which is pretty defensible. Again, if that bothers you, then don't treat prisoners that way. It's pretty simple.

                      I didn't see you mention Murtha in your original post. Why is he being brought up now?

                      It just seems odd that you hate both parties "equally", yet you either make up stuff, or are very easily led into believing lies that favor the conservative cause, while that behavior has yet to be seen favoring the left. It makes the claim of "equally" pretty damn suspect, honestly.
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                • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
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                  Yet you defend George Bush who lied us into the war in Iraq and one of the biggest crooks and worst presidents ever!?!
                  You've stated today that you have railed against Republicans but like your post that are filled with misquotes and half-truths I think you're just saying that because you've been called on it.
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                  • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 02, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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                    I have never defended Bush, liar. I stand with our soldiers today, yesterday and always. When Bush did not close our borders after we were attacked on 9-11 he ceased to have my support. again I referenced what our lying liar politicians said against our soldiers, you have yet to provide where I was mistaken.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 7:44 pm ET)
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                      You've defended George Bush numerous times don't hide from it now! As to your other allegations you've been proven wrong I'am not going back over it now. Dining room table anology applies perfectly to you.
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                      • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 03, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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                        You are a big liar con, I have NEVER defended Bush or ANY politician for that matter. Put your crack pipe down for a little while, sweetie
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                    • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:09 am ET)
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                      If you hate both parties equally, Why pray tell would you join the Marines?
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                    • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:14 am ET)
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                      The people who attacked us on 9-11 were here legally. Closing the borders would do nothing.

                      It was worse than the previuous terrorist attack on US soil when an American citizen, a righty, a war veteran no less bombed a building in Oklahoma.

                      So I guess America being the land of the free is abominable to you?
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            • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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              Since when are you a marine? The other day it was two relatives who were Marines.

              We are in agreement, to a degree. I don't care for either party, either. I find political "clubs" counter-productive to our country's welfare.

              I'm not sure where you got out of my post that I am not an American, but I most assuredly am and can trace my lineage on both sides to the Revolutionary War. I'm completely supportive of the troops which is why I opposed Mr. Bush sending them where they didn't belong.

              You really need to be better informed before you start posting nonsense.
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              • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 02, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
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                The other day I think you are referncing my father serving in the Korean War in th United States Navy. Sicne you are so quick to critizise my facts you should put your own house in order brother.
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              • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 02, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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                No, I have stated many times of my service to our country. My family has served this country for generations. How about you and your family, what have you done to serve and protect your country, besides sitting behind a keyboard and bravely calling people names? I even posted my website the otherday. Anytime you would like to speak with me directly I'll give you my number where you can call me.
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                • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 5:36 pm ET)
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                  Your sad,blind and misinformed and arrogant in defense of your ignorance.
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                • Author by worrierking (October 02, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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                  You and your family are not the only ones to have served this country.

                  Plenty of Democrats, liberals, progressives and Media Matters posters have.
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                • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:16 am ET)
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                  There are plenty of worthy things to do for this country that doesn't involve going to other countries to blow up things and kill people.
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                • Author by Why_Not_Me (October 03, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
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                  I heard what that Pu**y Durbin said. Get your facts straight hypocrite. Learn how to read. Show me where anyone here at MMFA objected to the film. I never even mentioned Levin, maggot.



                  Calling people names? You mean like "maggot"?
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        • Author by So Fain (October 02, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
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          Anti-American? Please... Do tell. I'm sure the gang here would love to debunk all of your Fox talking points.
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      • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 4:07 pm ET)
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        Nobody was "rooting against us" while we were at WAR . . . which, by the way, we are still prosecuting.

        Misquoting things which were said by Reid, Durbin and Kerry doesn't bolster your case, it just makes you look stupid.

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        • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 02, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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          You must be kidding bintx. Please show me where i misquoted the above idiots while they were putting down my fellow soldiers. Funny how we don't hear any stories leading the nightly news about Iraq. And very little about all the deaths in Afganistan. It would have been nice to hear President Obama at the UN take a stand against Iran who supplies almost all the components to make IEDS. They are responsible for hundreds of deaths and thousands of maimings of our young brave men and women and NONE of our feckless politicians ever say a word. But I'm sure someone here will find a way to make an excuse for this.
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          • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
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            I showed your incorrect information about Kerry's quote below. You like to google . . . google the actual quotes you alluded to . . . you'll find that they don't say what you want them to say. When you post the nonsense you post, it just makes you look uninformed. LOOK IT UP on real websites.

            When did you become a "soldier"? I thought it was your BIL and some other relative.

            BTW, objecting to the unnecessary and illegal invasion of Iraq was being SUPPORTIVE of the troops. The troops, the real ones, not the ones who just like to play troops on blogs, were sent by their superiors into Iraq under false pretenses.
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      • Author by So Fain (October 02, 2009 4:13 pm ET)
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        No one was cheering against our troops. This post is absurd.

        And have you never watched a Vietnam movie? EVERYONE knows that what Kerry said was TRUE. My dad did two tours in Vietnam and he's a Republican... He admitted that everything Kerry said happened over there he could personally vouch for. Then he voted for Bush anyway. lol!
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        • Author by fishergirlusmc (October 02, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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          I was talking about what Kerry said about our soldiers in Iraq. Can't you comprehend? And yes I'm well aware of how ugly Vietnam was. Can your father or you prove our soldiers kileed innocent men, women and children in Haditha liar?
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          • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
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            Innocent men, women and children were killed by US Marine during the incident and there was a coverup. No one knows what officially took place because of the coverup, a slow investigation and contradictory testimony. Anyhow, if you listened to what Murtha was saying he was blaming the incident on Bush and the stress he put on the troops.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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        Why are so afraid of the truth? Why can't you understand that OUR troops did commit atrocities in Viet Nam. What we have in Iraq can hardly be considered a victory,that country is torn to shreds and WE did it, and it was unjust and illegal. You attack the truth and those who expose injustice instead of those who lied and put our sons and daughters,husbands and wives,aunts and uncles and cousins and friends in harms way.

        That is truly puzzeling to me. Bush lied placing you and others in harms way with the equipment we had not with what we needed(Rumsfeld) and you instead blame those who point out the lie and attempt to make sure we never ask another of our countrymen to risk their lives in a bogus war again. I've heard of blind patriotism but what you preach is not patriotism it's just blind and stupid.
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        • Author by bintx (October 02, 2009 4:38 pm ET)
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          I think the fishergirl was speaking of Kerry referencing bombings in Afghanistan.

          Kerry's question:

          Question. According to The New York Times July 20, 2003, Secretary Rumsfeld personally approved over 50 US airstrikes in Iraq which were expected to kill up to 50 innocent Iraqi civilians each. According to Pentagon policy at the time, any strikes expected to result in 50 or more civilian deaths as unavoidable collateral damage were to be approved personally by the Secretary. The media was informed of this policy in July 2003 when the chief US commander disclosed the sign-off policy. Does that policy continue today in Afghanistan, and, if so, in what form? Do White House or Pentagon officials sign off on bombing runs where civilian casualties are expected to be higher than 50? Which officials?


          The Pentagon's response was evasive.
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          • Author by DellDolly (October 02, 2009 9:54 pm ET)
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            Yeah, and Gen McCrystal has said that the policy of not caring about civilian casualities if the military mission is sucessful and important was wrong-headed and counterproductive!
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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              And I am sure fishergirl thinks that Gen. McChrystal is a "feckless" "pu**y" and a "pig" as well. I mean otherwise fishergirl would just be some political, ideologically driven hack and a total waste of time. That just cannot be.
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      • Author by Brabantio (October 02, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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        Reid said that the war was lost if it continued on Bush's course.

        Kerry's comment was about how dumb Bush was. The context made that quite clear.

        If soldiers don't want to be compared to those treating prisoners inhumanely, then they shouldn't treat prisoners inhumanely.
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      • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 1:51 am ET)
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        That's a lie that the Democrats were rooting against the war and you know it. They voted for the god damn thing.

        But I like how you excuse the criminal actions of some of the soldiers. The war was lost because Bush effed it up. He had no strategy and definitely had no legitimate reason for being in Iraq. The soldiers did purposely bomb villages. If you're okay with it fine. But you can't deny the facts of war.

        And believe you me, there was enough outrage over the things your panties have been soiled by, otherwise you wouldn't know it happened. Regardless that most of the crap you're outraged by is false.

        Oh, and now that Rush wants us to lose the war that Bush didn't finish are you going after him about the phony soldiers?
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 05, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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        I don't remember this kind of hand wringing when the Demorats (sic) were rooting against us while we were at WAR.
        Maybe the reason you don't remember it is because no Democrat (learn to spell "Democrat," your attempts are juvenile and embarrassing) ever "rooted against us" while we were "at WAR." (Nice use of caps, by the way. It was meaningless, but nice try again, nonetheless)

        The GOP, on the other hand, voted down body armor for the troops more than once, voted against adequate vehicle armor for the troop carriers, and medical funding for returning veterans, to name just three times they voted against the troops while we were at war.
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    • Author by John Paradox (October 02, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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      So, The Windy City is the first rejected?

      see...

      WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
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    • Author by kevin.enochs9896 (October 02, 2009 4:00 pm ET)
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      Hey at least we know now for sure that he's not the antichrist. Certainly the antichrist would have used his nefarious satanic powers to sway such soft-minded european libs as the IOC.
      I'm more shocked that Oprah didn't just buy the Olympics and start calling it the "O"lympics with her picture in each of the rings.
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    • Author by alerted (October 02, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
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      it's not that Chicago lost, it's that Obama with all his ego and me, me, me, me attitude was not able to swoop in and take credit for hard work that people did for years before he was even on the radar. Apparently people are getting tired of listening to him speak.
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      • Author by jjcomet514 (October 02, 2009 4:28 pm ET)
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        And your proof of that is? Fact is, people are getting tired of you right-wing dolts droning on about things you are ignorant of (pretty much everything). And, as a Texan, I'm tired of being associated with dim-witted knuckle-gragging troglodytes like you. Go screw yourself, "Tex."
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      • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:20 am ET)
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        The me generation went out of the White House in January. It's the "we" generation now if you want to join us to repair the damage of the last 8 years.
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    • Author by pasteve (October 02, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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      If McCain were president, Palin would already be calling for the US to boycott the 2016 games for this outrageous insult to Middle America.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 02, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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      The pettiness is astounding. I hope sane America is watching...
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      • Author by richmondvoice7 (October 02, 2009 8:26 pm ET)
           
        We're here don't worry---Just beginnning to read some of this foolishness....
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      • Author by DellDolly (October 02, 2009 9:58 pm ET)
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        Well, according to Lou Dobbs tonight, only 4 people read MMFA. Joe Conanson used the exclusive proof that MMFA provided about the age of the student of Obama's education czar Jennings to debunk Dobbs' statement that the kid was only 15, and Dobbs just couldn't resist a personal attack after being debunked. Of course, it just makes Dobbs look petty to any fair and non-partisan person. Too bad not many of his viewers are like that.
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    • Author by Crumble (October 02, 2009 4:10 pm ET)
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      The right once again has spun an amusing tale here. Putting their political interests ahead of America's interests, as is their usual tact, has again reared its ugly head.

      Interestingly, less than a year after their own administration left America with perhaps the greatest level of disrespect by the rest of the world we have ever seen, they blame this latest rejection on Obama. I'd say it will take the world, and America's reputation, awhile to recover from another disastrous Republican administration.

      Similarly, in the case of the economy, Republicans are blaming Obama for the continued job losses. This is akin to the Republicans pushing a car (the economy) down a hill, then blaming the guy who jumps in to stop it (Obama) for the fact that it is rolling down the hill. The last thing they want is for Obama, and therefore, America, to succeed.

      Expecting Republicans to put America first is like asking them to adhere to those Ten Commandments they want to stick everywhere. It ain't gonna happen.
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    • Author by redlight24fps (October 02, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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      Where were they when New York lost to London in 05? Where were they when Salt Lake lost it's first bid in 91? Those weren't Bush 1 and 2's failures were they? Where were they when W spent most of his time in Crawford? Obama takes a one day trip to promote AMERICA, not just Chicago and these so called "patriots" lambaste him. It's simply pathetic.
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    • Author by redlight24fps (October 02, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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      Where were they when New York lost to London in 05? Where were they when Salt Lake lost it's first bid in 91? Those weren't Bush 1 and 2's failures were they? Where were they when W spent most of his time in Crawford? Obama takes a one day trip to promote AMERICA, not just Chicago and these so called "patriots" lambaste him. It's simply pathetic.
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    • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
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      Many different angles to this one. First, why would the IOC choose Chicago? Is it just becasue Obama is from there? Out of all these choices is Chicago really were you would want to go? Didn't think so.

      Secondly, I just listened to what Rush had to say & tell me where he is wrong? Pres. Obama has flown all over the world apologizing for America & talking us down. Why would the OIC choose Chicago?

      Lastly, it's the arrogance this President portrays that upsets so many of us. He is by no means a humble man. He went over there thinking he was going to charm the pants off the international community again & get his way. It didn't work. Also look into what his cronies would have gotten if this deal went through. (I mean we are talking Chicago-it's not exactly like "people" wouldn't be getting a substantial kick back out of the real estate deal)

      He has been continued to campaign for the past 9 months. It's time this man quit trying to be everybody's buddy or People Magazine top 100 celebs & start doing his job for the citizens of this country. He can't find the time to talk with his own general in charge of the war but he has time to talk to Letterman or fly to Denmark? Crawford ain't looking so bad anymore!
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      • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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        Did you ever stop to think, even for a moment, that the Chicago Olympic bid had nothing to do with Obama ?

        I didn't even vote for Obama, but I do live in Chicago and I wanted the Olympics to be here, as did 72% of Chicagoans and 82% of people nationwide.

        If the IOC didn't like Chicago, why did it include it in the top 4?
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        • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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          According to Mayor Daly 45% of Chicago citizens opposed the Olympics being held their & 47% supported it. Read it on Huffington Post-should be considered a credible source here.

          Obama should have never involved himself in it & that was my point! If he had too much on his plate to know what is going on at ACORN he shouldn't have the time to fly to Coppenhagen to plug for his city to get this deal. Act like the preseident of this so- called "crisis" of a country & let Mayor Daly take care of Chicago! But no way, Mr Smooth thought he had it in the bag.

          Apparently $1.2 mil was the cost of the fuel alone! He wants everyone to tighten up for the "greater good" yet he spends tax money like as the proverbial drunken sailor. What was the size of this carbon footprint? It doesn't matter when it such a crucial matter is it? It's his arrogance that is breath taking and everyone loves when the arrogant gets slapped in the face!
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          • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
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            The poll you referenced is from August, done by the Chicago Tribune. (You're too lazy to even find your own poll details, typical Republican.)

            The poll I referenced is from Sep 29, the latest poll available as far as I know, and it was done by Zogby.

            Are you ignoring the Zobgy poll results simply because they contradict your viewpoint?

            Do you live in Chicago? Apparently not or you would know how to spell the Mayor's last name.

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            • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 5:56 pm ET)
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              In Chicago, though, the opposition seems to be getting stronger.

              A poll released this month by the Chicago Tribune showed residents almost evenly split, with 47 percent in favor of the bid and 45 percent against; that's a drop from the 2-1 support the newspaper found in a February poll.


              The 2016 bid committee said its own poll last week shows support from 72 percent of Chicagoans. But even that segment has concerns-Chicago Tribune 9/30/2009

              You're right I'm not from Chicago- I only have family there. Big deal I mispelled the mayor's name; I really don't think that was the biggest point of my posting.
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              • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 6:59 pm ET)
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                Yah, the biggest point of your post was your anti-Obama rant which REALLY had nothing to do with the Olympics, but you pathetically attempted to create a connection just like the other wingnuts. Sorry, that only works in the wingnut forums, not here.
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                • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 8:16 pm ET)
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                  No, the point was Obama should have stayed out of it but his arrogance wouldn't allow it. He thought wasting the tax payers dollars flying off to meet up with Michelle & Oprah and he could save the day. I personally could care less where the olympics are held; I just didn't want Valerie Jarrett getting a sweetheart of a deal when she sold off her slums as prime real estate for the olympic facilities.
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 8:43 pm ET)
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                    You have proven you are a small minded ignorant partisan that places whats good for your party above whats good for the country. Sad!
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                    • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 9:11 pm ET)
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                      What? I'm not the one who refuses to say anything critical about the current people in office regardless of what party they are under. At what point in any of my postings did I mention my support for "my party". I'm not the one wanting to change this country into somthing that will no longer be recognized as the great country we have bee for over 200 years.

                      It's apparent when some people have nothing substantial to say they go on the defensive and start trying to attack the person rather than debating the issue. Playground tactics.
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                      • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 9:31 pm ET)
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                        Another dodge! I'am not even a Democrat but anyway. Changing the country from what it was for over 200yrs,WTF, take your 9/12 BS and peddle it to some other brain dead fool like yourself. Ummmmm providing you the correct quote and source of what GB said thereby rebutting your belief of what George Bush said is not debating the issue....ummm ! But you calling President Obama a narcisis with nothing more than YOUR belief is substantive? I find your reasoning very curious and suspect. May I humbly suggest you re-think your NoNannyNeeded tag.
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                        • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 9:56 pm ET)
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                          What dodge are you talking about? I have no problem with you refuting with quotes; what I think is childish is when you start attacking the person posting person. I'm surprised your not sticking you tongue out at you monitor. (Maybe you are)Since you feel the need for me to provide info regarding Obama's narcissism from the Global Politician
                          The narcissist:

                          * Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements);

                          * Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;

                          * Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);

                          * Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation – or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);

                          * Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;

                          * Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;

                          * Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;

                          * Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;

                          * Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy

                          There simply isn't enough room to specifically point out the example of each characteristic.
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                          • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 10:15 pm ET)
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                            The basically described the common conservative, not Obama.
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                            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 03, 2009 2:33 am ET)
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                              Actually, that looks like Rush Limbaugh's shrink's notes.
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                          • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 10:15 pm ET)
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                            The basically described the common conservative, not Obama.
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                          • Author by DellDolly (October 02, 2009 10:20 pm ET)
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                            You have no examples that he has any personality disorder. No one with any sense tries to diagnose a mental disorder without evaluating the person, you imbecile, so you don't have a leg to stand on.
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                            • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 10:34 pm ET)
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                              Dr. Vaknin is an expert in, and has written extensively about, Narcissism.

                              Dr. Vaknin States "I must confess I was impressed by Sen.Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident - a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."

                              Barack Obama is a narcissist.

                              Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves


                              My legs are pretty sturdy thank you and again thanks for the personal attacks, really. You know sometimes common sense works in trying to figure people out too you know. Was I making a clinical diagnosis or stating a comment-you decide. But if you are intersted I will get to my ICD-9 book on Monday & get back with ya!
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                              • Author by ScienceBuff (October 02, 2009 11:46 pm ET)
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                                From Snopes.com:
                                Dr. Vaknin is careful to include a disclaimer on his web site stating that he is "NOT a mental health professional" (his CV lists a doctorate in philosophy from the unaccredited Pacific Western University), and he notes in his introduction to the article cited in the preceding paragraph that "only a qualified mental health diagnostician can determine whether someone suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and this, following lengthy tests and personal interviews."


                                So he admits that he's not qualified to make the judgment of Obama that he does.
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                              • Author by congero6189599 (October 03, 2009 12:01 am ET)
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                                You are a nut to use Dr. Vaknin(doctor of philosophy not psychiatry) as proof of anything. A diagnosed psychopath,self-proclaimed narcisist,convicted corporate criminal. People i implore to look watch this video about philosopher Vaknin and YOU decide who you want to believe:

                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpSWLQAXWw&NR=1

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                                • Author by DellDolly (October 03, 2009 2:10 am ET)
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                                  http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2006/07/03/wikipedia-is-satan

                                  http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8381.0

                                  He got his degrees from diploma mills - he doesn't really have a PhD at all!

                                  And my point still stands, that no remote diagnosis is possible, so this is all nonsense and an unfounded personal attack on Obama, and signs of a serious lack of mental acuity on the part of NoNannyNeeded. How anyone can think that it's appropriate to remotely diagnose someone with a mental disorder, or that it'd even be someone one could accomplish, strains credulity.

                                  That makes NNN either a troll, trying to derail a thread, or an imbecile.
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                                • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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                                  Wow. Just, WOW, congero. I believe this tells us all we need to know about NoNannyNeeded. You brought this guy in NoNanny as your support for your wingnut beliefs. And, now you have to live with it.
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                                • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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                                  Wow. Just, WOW, congero. I believe this tells us all we need to know about NoNannyNeeded. You brought this guy in NoNanny as your support for your wingnut beliefs. And, now you have to live with it.
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                              • Author by DellDolly (October 03, 2009 1:49 am ET)
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                                Again, no reputable person able to diagnose mental illness would even consider diagnosing anyone who they hadn't thoroughly examined and evaluated.

                                You don't have a leg to stand on when you try to build your case upon the remote diagnosis of someone else by some other person!

                                But yeah, you were trying to assert that Obama has a personality disorder, which requires, ta da, a DIAGNOSIS! Without that diagnosis, your posting of the traits of a narcisistic personality disorder is out of line and unprofessional and totally without basis.

                                It doesn't matter if this guy you are referencing is an expert on narcissism. He's not, by the way, but even if he was, he could not even begin to make a suggestion that someone had one personality disorder or another without a personal exam and evaluation.

                                You can try to squirm and wiggle and make all kinds of excuses, but it doesn't change reality.

                                Reality is that there is NO basis, not any AT ALL, to declare that anyone that hasn't been personally examined and evaluated has any kind of personality disorder or mental illness.

                                This is not only common sense, but a professional requirement and an absolute necessity. I get that it totally blows your asssertion out of the water. Too bad, so sad, dumbo.

                                And people who try to claim without any basis in reality that Obama has a personality disorder doesn't get to whine and cry about imagined or real personal attacks.

                                But you clearly are an imbecile. If that bugs you, then, again, too bad, so sad, but if the shoe fits.....
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                          • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 10:26 pm ET)
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                            You are really a joke and yes I'am finding it hard to type a response because I'am laughing so hard at your ridiculous article. This one really sticks out:

                            * Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy

                            I mean it ain't like george bush invaded a nation based on lies his administration arrogantly defining any disagreement with their policies as not supporting the troops and/or unpatriotic. I mean george Bush never said that God wanted him to be president no feeling of ominpotence there! I could go on but YOUR getting boring and I've been here today too long and i'am going to do my other enjoyment play some music. Good night .
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                      • Author by atheist (October 03, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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                        The other countries' top political leaders were present. I'll bet if Obama hadn't appeared, you would have criticized him. It's obvious you hate the guy, that's your right, nobody's trying to change your mind, but try to be logical and reasonable. I didn't vote for Obama, I'm not a big fan of his, but I'm really glad he showed up in Copenhagen. I think it was appropriate and helpful not only for Chicago but for the entire U.S.
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          • Author by Timmee (October 03, 2009 2:03 am ET)
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            What's going on with ACORN...lol...what does that have to do with Obama?
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          • Author by worrierking (October 04, 2009 8:06 am ET)
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            So we're supposed to take these poll numbers and base everything on them, but we still should ignore the poll we took on November 4, 2008?
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 05, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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            According to Mayor Daly
            Who is he? There is no mayor of Chicago named "Daly."
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      • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 4:51 pm ET)
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        if you had a nanny he/she could have stopped you from posting your drivel. Just sayin'.
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      • Author by Brabantio (October 02, 2009 4:51 pm ET)
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        Why is "apologizing for America" similar to "talking us down"? As if our policies have some bearing on whether a major American city would be a good venue for the Olympics?
        He is by no means a humble man.
        I'm sure George "God wants me to be President" Bush would have displayed much more humility.
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        • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 5:45 pm ET)
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          Why should we be "apologizing for America" or "talking us down"at any given time let alone everytime? Obama has never really be specific in his speeches as to what he is apologizing for it's always been a general thing. If you want to sell something you do your best to promote it rather than just expecting everyone to purchase or love your product as much as they do. Policies have nothing to do with it it's marketing.

          Bush at least held a reverence for the office he held. He speeches weren't full of "I". He never presented himself as savior of the nation and of the world. He respected the ovall office & what it represented so much he never went in without a jacket & tie. Obama wears what he wants. Bush supported and acknowledged our troops while Obama doesn't have time he needs to go talk to "Dave". The man is a narcisus. Bush did some things wrong you & I will likely not agree to what those were but I do not side with a preson, I side with a principle.

          The quote was I think "God wants me to run for president". There's a difference. As a Christian I would expect him to pray about such a decision. As far as him winning-God always has a plan and that plan includes us to have free choice. We make our destiny but God already knows what it is. Bush was he meant to be president and I would say the same for Obama. Things happen for a reason. We get the governement we deserve.
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          • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
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            Bush disrespected the office, the Congress, the Judiciary, the military and the Constitution and the republicans facilitated it. He thought he could do whatever he wanted to around the world, he alienated our allies and never thought about the consequences of his actions. And if he respected the military he never would have sent the troops to their death to fight against a country that posed no threat to us and on top of that, he sent them without the proper equipment to accomplish his fraudulent task.
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            • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 8:11 pm ET)
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              That's funny because that is exactly the way I feel about Obama ( a little bit of Bush too since he didn't secure our border & started the bailouts) Obama is constantly complaining about our country all the while willing to meet with terrorists and dictators yet blowing off our allies. Not to mention he he blows off citizens of the USA if they don't tote the party line. Disagree with him & face ridicule (Alinsky trick). He surrounds himslef with people how feel America would be better if we were more like Europe and the Constitution is not a sound document. He doesn't care to stop & decide what he is going to do with the trrops in Afghanistan. What about Gitmo He siad he would close it. How's that workin' for ya? He only said it to please the Liberal base yet knows he really can't because the rest of America doesn't want them here.
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              • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 8:55 pm ET)
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                -Conservatives are willing to accept the status quo and liberals say our country can do better (progress). No one in this country should be without health care, shelter, clothing, food and water, a job, etc. You and other conservatives say to these people "F you" but liberals won't do that.

                -The people attending those teabag rallies are nuts and frankly no one should be listening to them accept their fellow nut cases.

                -Liberals respect the Constitution; it's conservatives who trash it. Only a few conservatives were complaining with us when Bush was basically tearing up the Bill of Rights.

                -If Europe has a better model than us on some things, we should imitate it. Stop accepting the status quo.

                - Afghanistan troop levels is a very intricate issue. He could possibly be sending a whole lot of men and women to their deaths. It's not something you can decide overnight.

                -Gitmo will take a little longer to close than the January deadline. It could have been closed a long time ago if municipalities in the US were willing to place the detainees in their prisons.
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                • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 9:34 pm ET)
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                  -On the contrary, conservative want limited gov't so people can go out and make the lives they want for themselves. Liberal (progressives) want bigger gov't to take care of everyone assuming people can't do it for themselves which in turn gives the people in charge more power all the while telling the "little people" it's all for them. It's a fact the conservative people donate more to charity then liberals. Helping others should be left to be determined by the individual and not the gov't to do for them.

                  -The tea parties. How many were arrested? Any voilence, assults, looting, trash? Wow crazy radicals. Have you been to one or seen any other coverage that isn't slanted? Now the G20 protesters? ELF? They just must be "concerned citizens".

                  -Liberals view the Constitution as a living breathing document to change with the whims of the people. Conservatives see it as etched in stone to rules to guide the leaders & citizens of the country. If you truly respect the constitution then lets repeal Roe vs. Wade, drop the public option healthcare bill, keep gov't our of tv & radio, stop the bailouts and allow citizens to keep there guns. Oh ya, and allow a school sports team to pray before a game.

                  -Eurpoe is NOT a better model. Simple as that. Status Quo is asking the people of this country to stop standing up & speaking out about the corruption that is going on.

                  -Now the was is an intricate issue? Obama has never served a day in his life yet McChrystal has the experience and has waited a 1 1/2 months and still hasn't made a decision?

                  -Fine if he closes Gitmo take then in your neighborhood not mine!

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                  • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 10:12 pm ET)
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                    -Conservatives want limited government to make the wealthy wealthier and have corporations run the country at the expense of labor. Liberals want the government to be a size it needs to be to make sure everyone has the basic things I listed above.

                    -Conservatives tend to donate to religious institutions; Liberals don't. More people in this country identify themselves as conservative than liberal so conservative could possibly have the edge in donations; Liberals are willing to pay more in taxes to make sure those who have fallen through the cracks in our society have resources available to them; conservatives are not willing to pay taxes to help out their fellow Americans.

                    -There are no laws against being a nut case.

                    -Roe v. Wade falls under the Fourteenth amendment; the public option falls under Congress' duties to levy taxes and the General Welfare clause; the airwaves are publicly owned so we have a say in how it should be run; they bailouts are keeping us from going into a depression and they're basically loans; The Second amendment is qualified with "A well-regulated militia" which to me means if you want a gun go join the military; sport teams can pray on their own without the help of public officials organizing and endorsing it.

                    -The have better models on health care; labor rights; women's rights, etc. We should try to imitate those policies.

                    -What part of "the Afghanistan issue involves life and death so he must make a careful and cautious decision" that you don't understand? And McChrystal won't get the blame when the body bags start coming back.

                    -There's a couple prisons not to far from me. I'm sure we can hold them there.
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                    • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 10:39 pm ET)
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                      "Women's rights": that is always my favorite part. Please teel me how I would be better off in Europe than here? I lived in England for over 4 years. Didn't work for me...met some great people though!!
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              • Author by Timmee (October 03, 2009 2:05 am ET)
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                An Alinsky trick...lol..I guess we know where you spend the other half of your time.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (October 02, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
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            Bush at least held a reverence for the office he held

            Latest winner of the MMFA Ignorance Award of the Day. Congrats!!!
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            • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:32 am ET)
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              No kidding a guy who would slump over the presidential podium like a drunken frat boy having reverence for the office? A man who took questions from a male stripper in the White House?
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          • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 7:24 pm ET)
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            Let's see ..... god wanted Bush to run for President, god may or may not have helped him win, and then god allowed terrorists to kill thousands of people on 9/11. Hmmmmm. Interesting.
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            • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 8:21 pm ET)
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              With you posting name as "atheist" I didn't think you would understand but great job at trying to twist what I said. Just for clarification people who know Jesus do pray for direction in their life, so yes, God likely did want him to run. God allow us free will to make choices for ourselves like you chose not to seek Him. You cannot forget the other side of love is evil. That is where the terrorists come in to play.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 8:48 pm ET)
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                That's it when you start hearing voices and talking to them You need a nanny. I talked to God and he told me to say that!
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                • Author by atheist (October 03, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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                  Nanny says that god allows us free will to make choices for ourselves, but god told Bush to run for President. Hmmmmm. Interesting.

                  Hey Nanny, you can't have it both ways. Either god interjects itself into our lives or it doesn't. Which way is it? Make a decision and then stick to it. Thank you.
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              • Author by fawltylogic (October 02, 2009 9:24 pm ET)
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                It seems you DO need a Nanny after all.
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              • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:35 am ET)
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                You need a nurse and a straight jacket. So I guess God likes to have little children raped and tortured before being brutally murdered too?

                Talk about mysterious ways.

                What a douche.
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              • Author by jmille426471 (October 03, 2009 7:06 am ET)
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                As a Christian myself I say to you;

                Maybe it wouldn't be so obvious to you that Jesus in the answer if you hadn't been cramming it down your own throat for so long. Please don't angry when others have the nerve not to believe your self-comforting fairy tales, however much it may bother you.

                There is not one study that shows that Christianity automatically makes you a better person. Study after study shows Christians are equally likely to steal, commit adultury, commit homosexual acts and commit violence when given the opportunity. White evangelical Christian are more likely than their neighbors to have negative views toward African Americans. However, I do notice that in some Christians, their beliefs make them more self-righteous and callous.

                So please, can the bigoted attacks on on our moral superiors, the athiests, it tends to confirm what many of them say about religion.
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          • Author by fawltylogic (October 02, 2009 7:57 pm ET)
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            Bush at least held a reverence for the office he held. He speeches weren't full of "I".


            Well, they were full of something...
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            • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:36 am ET)
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              Oh no, a man uses a first person pronoun! See, this is more of a problem to righties than a fake war.
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              • Author by atheist (October 03, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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                I checked some of Bush's speeches and he does use the word "I". Nanny need to do an official count and then get back to us.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 8:12 pm ET)
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            For someone who pertains not to need a nanny you ain't doing so well. You need some kind of help, Brab. had the quote correct and you got it wrong:

            "I believe that God wants me to be president."
            --According to Richard Land, as quoted in ""Understanding the President and his God"

            So now that we've cleared that up can we apply what you erroneously said about Barack Obama to what was correctly quoted about George Bush? You cons have a mysterious mind, you see and believe what you like regardless of reality. Are you realy complaing about jackets and suits...Pathetic.
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            • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
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              Well according to many sources including the Guardian UK as Bush spoke with James Robinson he said " I believe God wants me to run for president." The point is neither Bush nor Obama are in the positions they are by accident. If you believe in God you understand that. He gives us free will & we choose our destiny. Non of this takes away fromt he fact that Obama is narcistic.

              By the way, why do you feel it's necessary to try to personally attack a person with child-like sarcasm instead of sticking to the issue? Do you reaaly feel like it somehow makes your point more relevant?
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              • Author by loonz (October 02, 2009 9:11 pm ET)
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                Narcissism is a conservative trait. Limbaugh, Rush, O'Reilly, Beck and Bush and Cheney all possess it. Liberals tend to be more selfless.
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                • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 10:03 pm ET)
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                  Yah, like Charlie Rangle, the Clintons, Blago, Tom Daschle, the Kennedy's, Timothy Geithner, John Murtha, the Conyer's clan, Kwame Kilpatrick, Joe Biden, John Edwards, Chris Dodd, William Jefferson, Maxine Waters,Sheila Jackson Lee, Barbara Boxer...I could go on but I'm getting bored.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (October 02, 2009 9:19 pm ET)
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                You attack the president in every thread personally and now you bark when your obvious lies and slander are exposed? Sounds like someone can dish it out but can't take it. As far as being childlike I'll consider the source. Out of the mouths of babes...you know.
                Are you saying that God was the reason for the election of Bush and/or Obama how ridiculous and insane. Things happen for a reason but that doesn't imply the hand of God at work. Tell me how do you distingush? You draw these conclusions as if their fact like President Obama is a narcisisis,as opposed to Geroge Bush who you obviously don't think is, but whose life has resembled the traits of one more than President Obama. But I'am no psychologist or psychiatrist are you,or Did you prey to God and he told you? Do you have some other proof other than your partisan conservative belief? We certainly have free will and in your case you should have exercised it to keep your mouth shut because YOU KNOW NOT OF WHAT YOU SPEAK!
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              • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:38 am ET)
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                So why did God not have Bush win legitimately? Why is God okay with stolen elections?

                What a douche.
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          • Author by Brabantio (October 02, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
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            Why should we be "apologizing for America" or "talking us down"at any given time let alone everytime?
            Because our standing in the world community tanked with Bush. A little humility for our mistakes under his leadership helps to change that. It's not like acting like we didn't do anything wrong would help us promote ourselves for anything.
            He respected the ovall office & what it represented so much he never went in without a jacket & tie.
            [http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/938/slide_938_15897_large.jpg]
            The quote was I think "God wants me to run for president". There's a difference.
            God knew he would win, according to you, and wanted him to run with that knowledge in mind, but that doesn't mean that Bush thinks he's chosen by God to be President? I have no idea how you think there's a significant difference there.
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            • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 10:24 pm ET)
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              Excuse me, my mistake it must be wearing a jacket when entering the oval office. You can't see if he has his tie on or not. The point was he saw this as the peoples office/house. To Obama it's his house.

              Bush may have upset some other other countries but many of them are still out allies and many of the people in other countries love this country. If Pres Obama is concerned with us being likable why doesn't he show our allies the proper respect rather than chasing down dicatators? Why didn't he make the speech about Iran's nuclear materials sooner? Was he too concerned about he himself not having the "moment" with all nations watching. Yet he leaves our allies furious. snubs Prime Minister Brown, leaves Poland and the Czech Republic out to dry. Where has he ever mentioned how great our country is and what goodness we have brought to the world. There is a difference between truly loving you country and loving the country you want it to be.

              As far a the "God thing". I'm sure other Christian people who have run for office felt god lead them in that direcrtion but they didn't win. Does that mean they were wrong? No. We don't always see the bigger picture but He does. For instance Sarah Palin ran as Vice Pres but didn't win. But she has touched many other people including bringing awareness to the children with special needs. She is also someone who dealt with a lot of prsssure including a teenage mother & she may have been an example to someone out there & may have changed their ife. Just becuase you don't win doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Failure can be very educational.
              AlosWe do have more of a history the Bush adminstration.
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              • Author by Brabantio (October 02, 2009 11:19 pm ET)
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                Excuse me, my mistake it must be wearing a jacket when entering the oval office.
                So you're talking about whether someone actually walked in wearing a jacket or not? How do we know Obama doesn't do that, based on pictures of him not wearing a jacket while in the oval office?
                Where has he ever mentioned how great our country is and what goodness we have brought to the world. There is a difference between truly loving you country and loving the country you want it to be.
                These are the first examples that came to mind, I'm sure there are more:
                Both views miss the truth - that Europeans today are bearing new burdens and taking more responsibility in critical parts of the world; and that just as American bases built in the last century still help to defend the security of this continent, so does our country still sacrifice greatly for freedom around the globe.
                But I also know how much I love America. I know that for more than two centuries, we have strived - at great cost and great sacrifice - to form a more perfect union; to seek, with other nations, a more hopeful world. Our allegiance has never been to any particular tribe or kingdom - indeed, every language is spoken in our country; every culture has left its imprint on ours; every point of view is expressed in our public squares. What has always united us - what has always driven our people; what drew my father to America's shores - is a set of ideals that speak to aspirations shared by all people: that we can live free from fear and free from want; that we can speak our minds and assemble with whomever we choose and worship as we please.
                As far a the "God thing". I'm sure other Christian people who have run for office felt god lead them in that direcrtion but they didn't win. Does that mean they were wrong? No.
                But those people weren't chosen by God to win, as Bush was. Again, God knows what's going to happen, and wanted Bush to run based on those results. Ergo, God wanted him to win. That's Bush's belief, which is not particularly humble in nature.
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      • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:25 am ET)
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        Wake up, Dude! Arrogance in the presidency went out the door in January. We don't have a nitwit who thinks he's a decider. Like I decide that Iraq will shower me with praise after I kill them with "kindness"

        He listens to the generals more than Bush did and is humble enough to let them speak their minds.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 03, 2009 2:30 am ET)
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        Pres. Obama has flown all over the world apologizing for America & talking us down...it's the arrogance this President portrays that upsets so many of us. He is by no means a humble man.

        Yet another brilliant two-pronged self-contradicting wingnut thesis.

        I hate those arrogant people who go around apologizing soooo much !! The absolute lack of humility in admitting imperfections makes me crazy!
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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        Nothing so pathetic as when a devout Rush worshipper attacks Obama as being too arrogant. You are pathetic, NoNannyNeeded.
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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 03, 2009 7:11 pm ET)
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        nonannyneeded with that post your name should be no brain needed.
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    • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 4:39 pm ET)
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      Zogby poll from September 29 found that 72% of Chicagoans and 82% of people nationwide wanted the 2016 Olympics to be in Chicago.

      In their myopic attempt to bring down the President, the Republicans just bashed the majority of Americans. Good job, Republicans.
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      • Author by khephra (October 03, 2009 11:36 am ET)
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        If a poll reports that many Chicagoans/Americans wanted the Olympics, it probably indicates something far different than what you insinuate: collective ignorance.

        Olympic fascism is *not* progress. Please educate yourself on the history and agenda of the IOC.
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    • Author by papa bear3 (October 02, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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      All of this noise about the Olympics, at the same time as Obama meets with Gen McCrystal on Air Force One to decide about the troop increases in Afghanistan, nice distraction from a major issue
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      • Author by GotKids (October 02, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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        RIGHT ON PAPA BEAR! Hopefully more of US will realize what some of US have known for some time, Rush and his ilk really don't believe in U.S.
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    • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
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      It's odd that anyone would complain that Obama lobbied for Chicago at the IOC vote. Spain's King and Queen were there, the President of Brazil was there, and Japan's Prime Minister was there.

      In Singapore at the 2005 vote, Tony Blair made a speech in support of London's 2012 bid. London won. In Guatemala at the 2007 vote, Putin made a speech in support of Sochi's 2014 bid. Sochi won.

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      • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
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        And yet Obama couldn't get it done..
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        • Author by atheist (October 02, 2009 7:05 pm ET)
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          The President of Brazil did. Are you so nationalistic that you think every time the U.S. competes with another country that we should win? And if we don't then it's a sign of some horrible problem?

          Can you think of any reasons why Rio should have won? I can.
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          • Author by NoNannyNeeded (October 02, 2009 9:05 pm ET)
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            You're contradicting yourself. I think you are arguing just to argue. I'm not the one on this site who is upset the olympics aren't going to Chicago. How does that make me a "nationalisitic"? Why is it Libs are trying to place people in a box anyhow? Why does everybody have to be in a collective rather than just an individual? It's either race, political party, gender, whatever it is you'll find a name for it!

            Maybe Rio won because the Plympics have never been held any farther south than Mexico City? Maybe it's because it appears to have a rich culture? Maybe it's because the peolple are so beautiful there, I don't know & frankly don't care.
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            • Author by atheist (October 03, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
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              I'm not "upset" that the Olympics are going to be in Rio. I live in Chicago and wanted them here, but I think Rio was a good choice. I totally agree that one reason Rio was a good choice is because the Olympics have never been hosted in South America.

              But YOU claim that Obama "couldn't get it done". Apparently YOU expect him to be some sort of miracle worker and YOU think that his mere presence and appeal should have won over the IOC despite several valid reasons supporting Rio as the choice. And YOU think Obama is a failure because he couldn't secure the Olympics in Chicago. That's YOUR problem.
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        • Author by fawltylogic (October 02, 2009 7:56 pm ET)
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          Do you seriously think the bid lived and died with Obama?
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        • Author by DellDolly (October 02, 2009 10:28 pm ET)
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          What an idiot you are. It wasn't that Obama couldn't get it done. His efforts weren't the only variable involved here! Only a person who was so young that they needed a nanny or someone so partisan that their vision was tremendously occluded wouldn't understand that this likely had nothing to do with Obama getting anything done, and was much more dependent on many other reasons.

          But you say "And yet Obama couldn't get it done", like that's some clever insight. The point was that it's not unreasonable for a leader of a nation to go nowadays, and people have complained that Obama went.
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        • Author by skatscan5624 (October 03, 2009 2:44 am ET)
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          Neither did Bush for New York. Even with using 9-11 as a cause. wow.
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    • Author by OGFrostbite (October 02, 2009 5:38 pm ET)
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      i hope this help more people to see the true face of theses wingnuts.... they love and enjoy to see america fail
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      • Author by Commonsense (October 02, 2009 6:42 pm ET)
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        Does it really matter WHY the IOC rejected Chicago? What I find amazing is these wingnuts claim to be Patriotic Americans.
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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (October 02, 2009 7:33 pm ET)
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        Of course they do. They're the scum vote. It's who they are. It's what they do.
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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 03, 2009 7:18 pm ET)
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          With the wingnuts its the CONSERVATIVE ideology that's the most important thing even over country.
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    • Author by fawltylogic (October 02, 2009 7:53 pm ET)
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      Breitbart website: "It is kind of like the world community saying to President Obama, 'Not only no, but Hell No.' "


      Now, that's a case of projection AND denial right there.
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    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (October 02, 2009 8:19 pm ET)
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      How incredibly sad that such hatred is so acceptable by so many at this time. Wow, I remember a few short months ago that daring to even whisper any type of dissent would get you branded un-American or some such silly thing!
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    • Author by svejk (October 02, 2009 8:53 pm ET)
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      With the potential for a nuclear war in the northern hemisphere making north of the equator uninhabitable, the decision to put the olympics south is rather reasonable. When isreal attacks iran, that is your que to head south.
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    • Author by vwcat (October 02, 2009 9:13 pm ET)
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      The right has been walking the treason and the hate America line for a while now and I have yet to hear the mainstream call them out.
      Yet, we were lambasted by the mainstream for being against Iraq and called traitors and worse for so much less. The democrats were persona non grata to the mainstream and our moderates were portrayed as radical, anarchists and lunatic fringe.
      The rightwings fringe is seen as just average americans being a little upset. And no one is calling them out for inciting, treason and so much worse.
      DeMint traveled to Honduras to tell S. America to reject this country. A sitting senator telling another country to disrespect his own country. And they still hold Fonda over our head.
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    • Author by ped (October 02, 2009 11:54 pm ET)
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      If downing megadoses of Oxycontin and Viagra ever becomes an Olympic event, Lush Rimbaugh will be an American hero.
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    • Author by alatock (October 03, 2009 2:32 am ET)
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      Obama lies.....Olympic die!
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    • Author by worrierking (October 03, 2009 8:27 am ET)
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      I'm pretty sure the references to Greek Mythology go right over the heads of Malkin's mouth breathing fans.

      So Drudge thinks Obama uses jingoistic rhetoric and is undermining our relationships with our allies?

      What relationships we have with our allies are a direct result of our electing President Obama. Many of our relationships were strained before he took the oath of office. Now our allies seem more willing to work with us.

      And "jingoistic"? I'm afraid that we have another case of the right not understanding a word they recently found. Funny, they never saw anything jingoistic during the last three Republican President's administrations.
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    • Author by 4freedomstill (October 03, 2009 8:40 am ET)
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      Let's be real here, there were many Obama friends who stood to make lots of money personally out of the Olympics in Chicago. Do we really need to have the expense of building all of the stadiums and things that need to go along with it all so a few select people line their pockets?
      Our economy is what needs to be worked on right now. I didn't hear any stories about the expense of the Obamas taking their separate jets and of course all the other support jets, vehicles and support crews that go along with each, they couldn't ride together? Talk about carbon footprint!
      I'm glad Rio got them!
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 05, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
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        I'd rather they made money from a sporting competition than Bush's and Cheney's friends Halliburton and Blackwater, who made money by killing and torturing people.
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    • Author by roninkannushi1711 (October 03, 2009 9:08 am ET)
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      Fellow Matterers,

      Blatant! Is it clear,now? Are the shadows of doubt bleached pristine? Are the excuses, stories, and lies justification, or political banter?

      The Chicago political machine is the opposition, to the conservative juggernaut, and good guys finish last. If father knows best, why is he beating mother? You the man, that is why. The salt on the wound is dressed with mockery.

      Jobs do not matter in political battles, when the objective is oligarchy. We are all Americans, or so I thought. The cancer of racism, cheers malignantly, denying the masses opportunity. What else is new?

      It be it,
      Ronin Kannushi.
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    • Author by ejr1953 (October 03, 2009 11:17 am ET)
         
      I can't remember who said something like this, but it rings true today...something like, "it takes a skilled person to build a building, and only a jackass to knock it down". What is it about this "America haters"?
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    • Author by khephra (October 03, 2009 11:34 am ET)
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      I think the tone taken in this article is rather scandalous, unprofessional, and speaks poorly about the ultimate political agenda of Media Matters.

      The Olympics is not a celebration of sport, but of tyranny. Many of the comments to this article betray a total ignorance of what the IOC is and does, and I am disappointed Media Matters can't manage to do their research sufficiently to see through the fascism.

      For a more incisive evaluation of the implications of the Olympics, please see:
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    • Author by justjoe628 (October 03, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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      While I certainly think that the right leaning pundits are taking this a little too far in celebrating the failed Chicago olympic bid, I wonder what kind of criticism we would have heard from the left of George Bush, if he had gone to speak on behalf of Houstons 2012 bid?
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 03, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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        Nothing at all. But, if you want to read some true lunacy - I suggest reading some of NoNanny's posts up in the thread. If those don't scare you away from believing Beck and Limbaugh and the rest, nothing will.
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      • Author by PurpleState (October 03, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
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        I doubt we would have heard the left go nuts like the right did, mainly since you'd be comparing 2005 to 2009.

        Bush going to Denmark might not have been considered a big deal, as the economy wasn't in dire straights like it is now. That was an argument from the right this time, as they saw Obama going to argue in Chicago's favor as inconvenient to the budget and expensive to tax payers in the future.

        In fact, I think liberals would have applauded it. Bush going to argue the case for Olympic expansion would have meant more jobs for the South. I would have been all for it.
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        • Author by khephra (October 03, 2009 1:30 pm ET)
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          In fact, I think liberals would have applauded it. Bush going to argue the case for Olympic expansion would have meant more jobs for the South. I would have been all for it.


          Then you have been deceived. There is no historical precedence indicating the Olympics have longterm benefits to local or national economies.

          For further reading, see "Obama's True Colours" or No2010.
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      • Author by PurpleState (October 03, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
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        I doubt we would have heard the left go nuts like the right did, mainly since you'd be comparing 2005 to 2009.

        Bush going to Denmark might not have been considered a big deal, as the economy wasn't in dire straights like it is now. That was an argument from the right this time, as they saw Obama going to argue in Chicago's favor as inconvenient to the budget and expensive to tax payers in the future.

        In fact, I think liberals would have applauded it. Bush going to argue the case for Olympic expansion would have meant more jobs for the South. I would have been all for it.
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        • Author by eb (October 03, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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          The left had its hands full with real issues back in the glorious days of W. Bush. Although Bush's victory was questionable in 2000, Bush made a lot of decisions from the start that showed his focus would primarily be on his base.

          Right away he flipped flopped on climate change and basically told the world to forget about working together on "nuclar" issues. It went downhill from there.

          Most of the anger towards Bush, therefore, was focused on policy decision, not cosmetic stuff or personal issues.
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    • Author by Hula (October 03, 2009 5:14 pm ET)
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      Dear Republicans, the feeling is mutual. Signed, America.
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    • Author by antihannity2009 (October 03, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
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      I'm glad to hear that Rush thinks that America is a crappy place. You're a real douchebag. Thanks a lot Rush!
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      • Author by Rosita (October 04, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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        Do you people really want to live a miserable life? I don't but it is looking like that is where we are all heading. If you are white, you're being used. We all know that Obama was or maybe still is a member of a church that hated white people. I am not white but I see through that. Hell with the party. I am a person, who can't understand where you all are coming from. Poor? You're heading to be even more poor. Did you all listen to the Obama's speeches. It had nothing to do with the country, but all had to do with them. Other countries are beginning to see. They are both egotistical people just like the president of France had put it. He was demeaning the country and you're all going to accept that. If I were you why not look beyond the party and really see who is out there for you. I don't care if it is a Democrat or Republican or whaever. Look after yourselves. Right now all you're doing is looking out for the Obama's who is only looking out for themselves. All these programs he has been proposing is eventually going to hurt you.
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      • Author by Rosita (October 04, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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        Do you people really want to live a miserable life? I don't but it is looking like that is where we are all heading. If you are white, you're being used. We all know that Obama was or maybe still is a member of a church that hated white people. I am not white but I see through that. Hell with the party. I am a person, who can't understand where you all are coming from. Poor? You're heading to be even more poor. Did you all listen to the Obama's speeches. It had nothing to do with the country, but all had to do with them. Other countries are beginning to see. They are both egotistical people just like the president of France had put it. He was demeaning the country and you're all going to accept that. If I were you why not look beyond the party and really see who is out there for you. I don't care if it is a Democrat or Republican or whaever. Look after yourselves. Right now all you're doing is looking out for the Obama's who is only looking out for themselves. All these programs he has been proposing is eventually going to hurt you.
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    • Author by mewi (October 03, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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      So I am left with one defining question...

      Have conservatives simply lost their minds? Or is their hate mongering really starting to show it's true colors? It's like watching little children praise that their brother/sister didn't get something that they had. Spoiled, Selfish, Illogical, Hateful... I can write a longer more detailed list, but seriously... Who has time to analyze this lunacy?

      So two things I get from this video... 1. Either they hate Obama, or 2. They hate foreigners... I'm going to bet BOTH, because of Bush's anti foreigner Visa policies.

      Your text to link here...
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    • Author by ChockoRocko (October 03, 2009 9:24 pm ET)
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      Article suggesting stringent passport control was a turn-off for IOC members:

      http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/02/olympic-committee-me.html
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    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (October 04, 2009 7:57 pm ET)
      1  
      Joe Klein said:

      "Did you konw Jessy Jackson gave $400,000 to his mistress to buy her silence, please tell me what kind of 8-5 job he has to come to such a great wealth, except defrauding the poor."

      My 1st thought:

      Cash payout to mistress and her family.

      It's 11 minutes long but well worth the watch.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 05, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
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        Considering there's no famous person named "Jessy Jackson," I'll forego wasting 11 minutes of my life.
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    • Author by mmharris438182 (October 04, 2009 10:25 pm ET)
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      It's sad that Beck, Limbaugh, and others such as Hannity, "great American as he is," have such unbelievable contempt for the young black man who happens to be The President of the United States. They only opposed Chicago being chosen for the Olympics because Obama supported it. That's like hating your children because you hate their mother. That's cutting off your nose to spite your face. That's irrational. Of course, bigotry and racism always are irrational.
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