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Beck-led Fox News "czar" witch hunt moves to ridiculous smear of Anita Dunn

October 16, 2009 8:47 am ET — 231 Comments

In attacking Anita Dunn, claiming that she "worships" her "hero" Mao Zedong, Glenn Beck has targeted yet another Obama administration official in his Fox News-assisted witch hunt of President Obama's so-called "czars." Beck and Fox News have previously attacked with falsehoods and spurious claims White House officials Kevin Jennings, Cass Sunstein, Harold Koh, and Van Jones.

Beck identifies latest target: White House communications director Anita Dunn

Beck falsely claimed Dunn "worships" Mao Zedong, "her hero." Throughout most of his October 15 Fox News program, Beck falsely claimed that Dunn "worships" and "idolizes" "her hero" Mao Zedong. In fact, in the video that Beck aired as evidence to support his claims, Dunn offered no endorsement of Mao's ideology or atrocities -- rather, she commented that Mao and Mother Teresa were two of her "favorite political philosophers," and based on short quotes from them, she offered the advice that "you don't have to follow other people's choices and paths" or "let external definition define how good you are internally."

Beck ignored numerous conservatives who previously spoke similarly of Mao. In airing footage of Dunn calling Mao and Mother Teresa two of her "favorite political philosophers" and using those comments to falsely link Dunn to the murder of tens of millions of Chinese under Mao's reign, Beck ignored numerous conservatives -- including Barry Goldwater's "alter ego" Stephen C. Shadegg, Cato Institute president Edward H. Crane, and GOP strategist Ralph Reed -- who have approvingly cited the tactics of Mao, Vladimir Lenin, and the Viet Cong, stating that they had used those tactics in their political work, or have otherwise highlighted their philosophies. Moreover, in a 2008 presidential campaign speech, Sen. John McCain stated that "there was a lot of people who said that my political career was not going to succeed. In fact, in the words of Chairman Mao, it's always darkest before it's totally black" [emphasis added]," as The Washington Independent noted.

Attack on Dunn follows extended Fox News smear campaign against Obama advisers

Fox News' Hannity repeatedly smeared Kevin Jennings with the false claim that he ignored statutory rape and supported NAMBLA. During his relentless attack of Department of Education official Kevin Jennings, Sean Hannity repeatedly ignored evidence to falsely claim that Jennings ignored the statutory rape of a 15-year-old student, even advancing the falsehood after the claim had been widely debunked. Hannity also advanced the falsehoods that Jennings supported NAMBLA and sought to indoctrinate students about homosexuality.

Beck falsely claimed that Sunstein advocated for forced organ donation. Beck previously falsely claimed that Cass Sunstein, head of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, "believes that everyone must be an organ donor." In fact, in a book, Sunstein and co-author Richard Thaler advocated for approaches to organ donation policies that "would be likely to save many lives while also preserving freedom" (emphasis added) and did not advocate for mandatory organ donation. Beck and Fox Business host Eric Bolling have both identified Sunstein as targets in their witch hunt against people they have identified as Obama administration "czars," and Sunstein was also on Hannity's "top 10" list of dangerous "czars."

Beck falsely claimed Sunstein argued that "you should not be able to remove rats from your home." Beck also claimed on September 9 that Sunstein said "you should not be able to remove rats from your home if it causes them any pain." In fact, in the introduction to a book of essays he co-edited, Sunstein did not advocate against rat removal, but rather said, "At the very least, people should kill rats in a way that minimizes distress and suffering." Sunstein also stated that, from a utilitarian perspective, "[i]f human beings are at risk of illness and disease from mosquitoes and rats, they have a strong justification, perhaps even one of self-defense, for eliminating or relocating them."

Beck falsely claimed Van Jones is a "convicted felon." On August 11, Beck accused Van Jones, who he described as Obama's "green jobs czar," of being a "convicted felon ... who spent, I think, six months in prison after the Rodney King beating." In fact, as Eva Paterson, president and founder of the Equal Justice Society, has explained, "Van [Jones] has never served time in any prison. He has never been convicted of any crime."

Fox News hosts falsely claimed Holdren called for forced abortion, forced sterilization. Fox News hosts including Beck, Hannity, and Jim Pinkerton have attacked Obama science and technology adviser John Holdren, claiming that he supports forced abortion or forced sterilization as a method of population control. Holdren was also on Beck's and Bolling's target lists and Hannity's "top 10" czars list. Responding to Beck's claim that Holdren "proposed forced abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population," the website PolitiFact.com concluded that "the text of the book clearly does not support that. We think a thorough reading shows that these were ideas presented as approaches that had been discussed. They were not posed as suggestions or proposals. In fact, the authors make clear that they did not support coercive means of population control. Certainly, nowhere in the book do the authors advocate for forced abortions." PolitiFact gave Beck's claim "pants on fire" status. Indeed, Holdren and his co-authors advocated for noncoercive means of population control.

Hannity repeatedly smeared Koh, claiming Koh "advocates the use Sharia law in America." Hannity has also claimed that Harold Koh, the State Department's legal adviser, "advocates the use of Sharia law in America" and that Koh has said "Sharia law can be applied in American courts." The claim has been denied by Koh himself during Senate testimony, Koh's spokesman, and the organizer of the event at which Koh supposedly made the remarks about Sharia law. In addition, University of California-Davis law professor Anupam Chander wrote in an April 2 blog post that "[i]n the 71 articles penned by Harold Koh that appear in the Westlaw law review database, there is but one article that mentions Sharia," and in that article, Koh "denounces the government of Iran for 'impos[ing] a strict form of Sharia law that denies basic rights to women and minorities.' " Koh was also on Hannity's "top 10" list czars list.

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    • Author by newzhound (October 16, 2009 9:00 am ET)
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      These idiots - Sheer "Am I An Idiot?" InSannity, Glum Bleek, The Little Guy - took a break from smearing these people to stick up for Boss BlunderRush, and decry all those who opposed him.

      Then they went back to work, peddling their garbage to the gullible.
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    • Author by x5c6v7b8 (October 16, 2009 9:32 am ET)
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      I watched the Dunn video. She should not say that Mao is her favorite philosopher. Mao bragged about burying scholars alive (46K of them), executed 700K, and his policies based on his philosophy led to the deaths and starvation of tens of millions of Chinese. Deng Xiaopeng the communist after him put an end to Maoist insanity. Out of all the people in the world to claim the bloodiest person in the history of humanity as your favorite philosopher is pretty sick when there are so many great non-bloody people to choose from. Mao is raw numbers of dead was worse than Hitler. No one would claim Hitler as their favorite philosopher - perhaps she thinks Chinese lives are less important.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (October 16, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
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        Actually, Anita Dunn said that Mao and Mother Theresa were two of her favorite political philosophers. She also said she uses them to illustrtae the point about finding one's own path in life. I have yet to see any evidence that Anita Dunn either worships or idolizes Mao as the uneducated gooberm Glenn Beck, says.

        BTW, I think the despicable Richard Nixon was one of the greatest political minds of the 20th Century.
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        • Author by wulfmankarl (October 16, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
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          I find it funny that you statists are trying to defend the appointment of a radical that openly holds up the greatest mass murderer in human history as the "political philosopher" she admires most. to be so blinded by an infantile egalitarian sentimentality as to ignore genocide is to be a truly deluded and parasitic person. Look in the mirror, people? What made you into irrational parasites? What kind of self-loathing must you have to surrender to the pablum which is based only in kindergarten concepts of fairness, bitter envy, and/or a desire to extort from better competitors instead of do the work to compete better yourself? Do us a favor and either get in the game and compete instead of bribing the scorekeeper...either that or just kill yourself and stop parasiting off of others.
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          • Author by OmegaHunter (October 18, 2009 4:21 pm ET)
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            Look up parasite in the dictionary. Either you are so stupid that you don't know what it means or you blindly throw around insults that don't make sense.

            In fact it seems most of your post is nonsense actually.

            "bitter envy"
            In what way?

            "irrational parasites"
            What?

            "extort from better competitors instead of do the work to compete better yourself"
            Huh?

            "Do us a favor and either get in the game and compete instead of bribing the scorekeeper"
            What the hell?

            "either that or just kill yourself and stop parasiting off of others."
            Really, "parasiting?" You had to make up a word to continue your string of incoherent insults?

            Reading your post it seems that you think people that defend Dunn are:
            Jealous parasites that don't know what fairness is and try to "extort" from their "betters" so they don't have to work. And to justify this they cheat the system?

            Did you make your post after flipping through an "Insult Word-of-the-Day" Calendar?
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 19, 2009 1:39 am ET)
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              At the risk of parasiting off of your post (not nearly as much fun as parasailing), I have to agree that wulfman doesn't seem to know quite what he wants to say.

              Probably another Republican trust fund baby who has nothing to do but sit around all day imagining that working people are living large off of his taxes. Or just a crazy guy on welfare because of illegal aliens.

              I prefer the commentary at the end of this clip as a more rational reaction to the mention of communism.
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        • Author by sorosisevil (October 17, 2009 1:44 am ET)
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          finding one's own path in life? even if it means killing millions and millions of people? Riiiiiight.
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    • Author by ecunningham1984 (October 16, 2009 9:49 am ET)
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      Really? Smears? Lies? Are you kidding me? How many videos and statements do you have to hear and see of people in this administration praising communists before you stop defending them? Why is it a smear? IT IS HER OWN WORDS! just like those of your savior Obama. His administration is a joke and will be out in 4 years. You can only lie about who you are and what you believe so long before people find out. Check the polls. IF you want to live in a socialist/communist country there are plent to choose from...get out!
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      • Author by CohibaMan (October 18, 2009 12:12 am ET)
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        I have a better idea.

        How about... this is our country, we win the elections, and YOU get out.

        When you guys get a majority of Americans to sincerely agree to your beliefs without LYING to them day in and day out, then maybe we can talk about you guys telling us where to go.

        Until then, shut up. If you hate America so much - the American people and the leaders that the American people pick for themselves... shut up and go somewhere else.

        The rest of us are tired of your bitching.
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      • Author by baba19 (October 18, 2009 9:06 pm ET)
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        Nope, don't want to live in a socialist/communist country. In fact, it is impossible to live in a country that is both socialist and communist. Do you even know what socialism and communism are? You illustrate perfectly my problem with this entire debate (that of politics in America). It's me against you, them against us, you're wrong, I'm right, you're evil and stupid because you don't agree with me, blah blah blah. Regurgitating whatever nonsense crap you hear before actually digesting any of it. Last I checked, the "savior Obama" was democratically elected. So if you have a problem with that, there are plenty of countries out there in which that status quo will choose who makes your decisions for you without checks or balances or any input from you. Feel free to give a boost this country's IQ average and go join one of those. Do us a favor: take with you all the other incompetent nutcases who think we're becoming socialist/communist.
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        • Author by progressiveright (October 19, 2009 1:15 am ET)
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          Great job. Why cannot the right understand that socialism includes capitalism for other than the commons? People on the right fear an educated and knowledgeable populous because it will be the end of their cause.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 19, 2009 1:44 am ET)
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        I wouldn't mind so much living in a large Blue State that supports all of those freeloading Red States if I didn't have to listen to those shiftless conservatives whining about socialism and suggesting everybody else move to another country.

        Who the hell do they think is going to pay for their lazy azzes if all of the liberals leave?
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    • Author by n'est-ce pas (October 16, 2009 9:56 am ET)
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      The thing is, though abhorrent and absurd, if these kinds of arguments stayed within the ghetto of the hate-talkers time bloc, I'd be with Voltaire in my attitude toward the Fox News personality pantheon. But they don't stay segregated. Fox's "real news" programs repeat these statements ad infinitum, which creates a real problem for me. This is yellow journalism; they make up a story in their “opinion” segments, they gin up the story in their “real news” segments, then they cover the promulgation of their story throughout the rest of the media organizations. Fox News is the Typhoid Mary of journalism.
      I think a self-governing body of journalists should create a vibrant coalition, something like the American Medical Association, to represent the fundamental ethical code that used to be enforced by the desk editors in news organizations. If they can't police themselves, journalists should be singled out and held to account for ethics violations like yellow journalism, failing to cite sources, redacting quotes, and flat out making crap up. This is a function that cannot, on Constitutional grounds, be fulfilled by the Government, so its up to the profession to pick up that slack. Either that, or we can continue sniping at them from MMfA and The Daily Kos and (occasionally) Politico.
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    • Author by Cheney2012 (October 16, 2009 9:57 am ET)
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      It is not a smear when a person's words are presented and viewers can then draw their own conclusions.

      Kind of like with Limbaugh, right?
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      • Author by Tiredog (October 16, 2009 10:09 am ET)
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        Not really.
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      • Author by NG_Officer (October 16, 2009 10:12 am ET)
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        I watched Beck. He cut the video almost before the word "Zedong" was out of her mouth. But why bother putting it in context...
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        • Author by sarajonesnot (October 16, 2009 1:06 pm ET)
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          Just keep kidding yourselves. At least I don't have any grandchildren to suffer the results of all this progressive idiocy. But, hey, if he got YOU GUYS to watch him in spite of the progressive brainwash...maybe he is smarter than you think.
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          • Author by progressiveright (October 19, 2009 1:18 am ET)
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            Progressive thought is what gave us the United States as we know it today. If not for progressive thought we would still have slavery, the 100 hour work week for pennies, no decent education for the general populous, or rights for any of us. Learn the facts of history before you say it is brainwashing.
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 19, 2009 1:46 am ET)
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              We'd probably still be living under Kings in Europe if it weren't for progressive thought.
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        • Author by starkcr31 (October 16, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
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          So what? Did she or did she not say he was one of her favorite philosophers? How is it out of context?
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          • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
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            Now starkraving, pay close attention:
            "We think too small, like the frog at the bottom of the well. He thinks the sky is only as big as the top of the well. If he surfaced, he would have an entirely different view."
            Mao Tse-Tung
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            • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 2:25 pm ET)
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              Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a hundred schools of thought contend.
              Mao Tse-Tung
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              • Author by sleepy joe (October 16, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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                Very good. But you are forgetting. Mao is evil. And to these cons, Anything that he says, no matter what, should be considered evil.
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                • Author by nMckinnus0035 (October 18, 2009 1:05 am ET)
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                  See people that think like you are why Faux news has so much control over the more feeble minded.

                  I'm assuming you missed this quote from Dunn:
                  "you don't have to follow other people's choices and paths" or "let external definition define how good you are internally."


                  Anything that he says, no matter what, should be considered evil.


                  This is ridiculous. If Mao said that he liked tea, does that mean everyone should stop drinking tea because a mass murderer drank it?
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                • Author by progressiveright (October 19, 2009 1:20 am ET)
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                  Even the most evil of person can say or do something that is good. This does not redeem the person but should be looked at for what it is an act of good or a pearl of wisdom.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (October 16, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
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                So the guy says a few philosophical words and that makes his slaughter of millions acceptable? Again, I invoke the Hitler example.
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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                  Again, you fail to understand even the most basic of concepts. Where did anyone say his slaughter of millions was acceptable? Please show us.....we'll wait.

                  Do you have any idea how ignorant you sound when you say these silly things? How can you admire his philosophies? Then Mary shows you. So his philosohpies excuse his killings? What the-?

                  I ask you stark, do you disagree with the quotes mary gave you as examples? Why do you disagree with them?
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (October 16, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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                    You're asking an intellectual turnip to dig deeper than the surface of an issue. Don't expect much more than he has already shown you.
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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
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                  Here, stark, I brought along somebody for you to have a conversation with. I'm taking bets on who gets bored first.


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                • Author by progressiveright (October 19, 2009 1:22 am ET)
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                  If you look at history many of the things that Rome did were evil same with the Europeans who came to America. Both of these groups killed millions on orders from their leaders and for sport but they gave us much good.
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              • Author by sorosisevil (October 17, 2009 1:49 am ET)
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                "[I believe] in a colorblind society where every individual is treated as a precious human being without regard to his race."
                Rush (a real civil rights leader)
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                • Author by OmegaHunter (October 18, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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                  "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

                  "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

                  "Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

                  "I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve."

                  Rush (a real racist liar)
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                • Author by progressiveright (October 19, 2009 1:24 am ET)
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                  Rush can say the right thing once on race but he practices the opposite that is evil but what he says is good do you get that. Rush has persecuted many civil rights leader on his program as an enemy of freedom.
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              • Author by Bob de Texas (October 17, 2009 10:02 am ET)
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                It is pretty obvious to me that this left wing idiot, is just that. I would not want her talking with my dog, muchless my child. You may not like the messenger but the message is there, you can say whatever you want, these type of appointments will be the demise of the Messiah.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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              Very apt, mary. Unfortunately, the people you are trying to reach (see Stark) will never get it.
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              • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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                I have hope that starky can someday investigate the origins of his thought and become a competent thinker.

                As Chairman Mao has said, "Conclusions invariably come after investigation, and not before. Only a blockhead cudgels his brains on his own, or together in a group to 'find a solution' or 'evolve an idea' without making any investigation. It must be stressed that this cannot possibly lead to any effective or any good idea."

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      • Author by pete592 (October 16, 2009 10:16 am ET)
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        Beck's dedicated viewers don't draw their own conclusions.
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        • Author by sarajonesnot (October 16, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
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          And I suppose you draw yours "o'puppet of Soros"
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        • Author by progressiveright (October 19, 2009 1:26 am ET)
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          Worse are the listeners of Rush who let him do their thinking for him as he has told them to do since his show left Sacramento and went national. Think for yourself grow let others think for you and die mentally.
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      • Author by DellDolly (October 16, 2009 10:35 am ET)
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        Viewers weren't able to draw their own conclusions fairly with this presentation, though.

        It sure can be a smear when a person's words are presented, but the context is left off. The hypocrisy of blaming her for these beliefs without noting that many on the right have expressed similar sentiments without being criticized is the problem here.

        And we know that they wouldn't/didn't criticize those others on the right for saying the same thing, and so that's the issue.

        Doing what they did here to Anita Dunn is comparable to the old Mad Magazine back covers where you'd fold it up and discover a second image. Viewers of that folded page wouldn't be seeing the real, full back cover, and so to say that you'd shown them the back cover wouldn't be accurate or reliable info!
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      • Author by n'est-ce pas (October 16, 2009 10:56 am ET)
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        It is not a smear when a person's words are presented and viewers can then draw their own conclusions.

        Kind of like with Limbaugh, right?
        Or, as Beck would have presented you, "It is a smear when a person's kind of like Limbaugh." This is cut and paste yellow journalism, and it's about as sophisticated and ethical as a schoolyard bully getting a bunch of kids to chant taunts at the target of the week. "Cheney2012's a jackass! Cheney2012's a jackass!" There, considering how credulous a Fox viewer would have to be, you must certainly be chanting along. I mean, my assertion is at least as valid as any promulgated by those hate-talkers you so adore. Hell, it's more valid. I, at least, am working with some evidence.
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      • Author by bintx (October 16, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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        The fact that you are defending both Beck and Limbaugh indicates that you are not capable of drawing appropriate and sane conclusions.
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        • Author by wulfmankarl (October 16, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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          Hmmm. Defending some person is ALWAYS wrong, no matter what the issue, just because you disagree with them? You are a waste of atomic particles.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 9:41 am ET)
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            You just wasted a good straw man. Well, there is no "good" straw man, the argument is fallacious no matter the quality of the ignorance.
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      • Author by newzhound (October 16, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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        Since when did Faux Noise start letting viewers and listeners draw their own conclusions?

        Faux Noise draws its own, pre-conceived, pre-packaged, GOP-talking-points conclusions - and then beats its viewers and listeners over their heads with them.
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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          Then those same viewers are kind enough to come here and "explain" to the dumb libruls what they've been suckered into believing, unaware that those the wingnuts are trying to educate are immune to the propaganda that controls them.

          Cheney's entire argument seems to be that something can not possibly be out of context if it's the actual words of somebody used selectively- the very definition of "out of context".

          If words that were never said were used, that would be something else entirely. Fabrication, lying, just plain making sh*t up.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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            Oops, I disappeared a few words.
            ...the wingnuts are trying to educate people who are immune to the propaganda...
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 16, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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        Idiocy. Pure idocy on display here. Who gave you that nonsense, Limbaugh himself? How utterly absurd.

        C-O-N-T-E-X-T, moron, M-E-A-N-I-N-G! WHAT WAS THE PERSON'S POINT?!

        What Beck has done here, once again, as is par for the course with all of you losers, is to cut and crop a quote so that some small portions of someone "words" can be used against them, or make appear as [Beck] desires. You idiots fall for this all the time. The average con has an out, but you regular MMFA con's should have been educated to recognize this by now. (Once again: IOKIYAAR)

        By contrast, nothing Limbaugh has ever siad, that has been presented on MMFA, has ever been presetned misleadingly or without enough of the audio, or the transcript so that we CAN, in fact, DRAW OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. IOW: MMFA does it the RIGHT WAY, and Glenn Beck (and every other RW Broadcaster) does it WRONG because they KNOW they simply can't win on the facts.

        What Beck has done is taken 5 words from a longer speech, ripped them out of all context, TELLS his [mindless drones] audience what she's "really saying" and they all hit the deck to starp lapping up this verbal incontinence with unjustified enthusiasm. It's sick, and you people who play along are either evil or stupid: Either lying or buying.

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        Your post exemplifies everything that's wrong with how you people think. (To say nothing of WHAT you people think.)
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        • Author by starkcr31 (October 16, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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          Are you really this dense? How was this presented without audio? Do you think Beck made the quotes himself?
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 16, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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            The audio was cut, and the cropped clip that resulted was shown independently of context, meaning or (in this case) explanation of the POINT she was making. Saying "she said it" is as absurd as me saying that I've got Hannity on tape saying "Whate man's greed drives a world in need." And I DO... but it would absurd to present it like that because of the CONTEXT: in that case that he was quoting someone else. Well actually he was misattrubituing the quote HIMSELF, since he attributed it to someone who was, in fact, quoting someone else.

            Once again Beck has proven nothing other than that he can make someone look stupid/evil/radical/unamerican/whatever buy cropping their quote and selectively editing the video. (He's learned as m uch from Hannity as much as he has from Rush.) The difference is that Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity/etc... actually sond WORSE when you include the full context.

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            • Author by Bill45000 (October 17, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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              And how do YOU know that?

              The clip I saw seemed entirely free from editing.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 19, 2009 8:05 am ET)
                   
                Why? Because it didn't skip around and get out of sync like a bad 1960's Martial Arts film? That's not the kind of "editing" I'm talking about. It's called "elective starting and stopping."

                You know - kind of like what you lot do with temperature data to "disprove" global warming?

                The clip was not played in it's entirely. It was stopped before the broader point could be made, just so his audience would hear only exactly what he wanted them to.

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                And you know it.
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      • Author by srichardson (October 16, 2009 3:09 pm ET)
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        I think all that most intelligent people ask is that Beck play the entire video and put it in the correct concept. It is a "smear" when you are intentionally misrepresenting what people say to harm their reputation. It's also immoral. Limbaugh's words were not taken out of context and he has said such a huge amount of hateful, racist, slanderous stuff about so many people that the NFL fiasco was of his own making. The media didn't distort what he said, the NFL coaches and players knew what he was like without reading a news article or going on line to blog.
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      • Author by Sara Bellum (October 16, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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        Seriously? If Faux News didn't present themselves as a legitimate "NEWS" channel, I wouldn't be too concerned about people "drawing their own conclusions". However, Glennochio puts his opinions out there AS news and therefore misleads the public... or at least those that are either too ignorant or too lazy to research matters for themselves to draw an EDUCATED opinion on matters.

        He, along with others like him, are doing a horrid disservice to this country. He should be ashamed of himself for cashing in on spreading misinformation to his viewers.

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    • Author by kooljazz (October 16, 2009 10:53 am ET)
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      Beck should denounce McCain who regularly quotes Mao. Latest: Let a hundred flowers bloom....
      Does that make McCain a communist??? Socialist? Perhaps it is Obama's fault for running against McCain, making McCain spew these Maoist thoughts??
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    • Author by khacha (October 16, 2009 11:03 am ET)
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      Anita Dunn stated clearly that she admires the political philosophy Mao, who is directly responsible for the murder of millions of human beings. And you problem is with Glenn Beck? I don't get it.
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    • Author by Major Tom (October 16, 2009 11:22 am ET)
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      So what's the lesson here from Beck? If you like any political philosophers outside of the US founders, then you are unamerican and can not hold office.
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      • Author by rover37 (October 16, 2009 11:38 am ET)
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        The lesson is Obama's white house is full of radicals. Beck is only going of the words of Annita Dunn. You have to be so drunk form the Obama Koolaide not to be aboe to draw your own conclusiion form the speach that Beck aired. Annita Dunns hero is a mass muderer..
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        • Author by baba19 (October 18, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
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          And you're apparently too dense to understand the difference between admiring a person's political philosophies and admiring that person's actions, or even that person. However, I understand it's a better fit in your very simple world to make the erroneous association and keep hating a person simply because everyone else on your team does. I challenge you to be more intelligent than that. Start watching more than Fox.
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      • Author by n'est-ce pas (October 16, 2009 11:55 am ET)
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        Sort of. Beck's not really keen on the actual philosophies espoused by the US founders, either. He likes them mostly because it's really easy to put words in their mouths. It's not like the unwashed masses that comprise his demographic are really going to fact check him.
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      • Author by sarajonesnot (October 16, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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        No...it's "if you like mass murderers" you shouldn't be controlling our government
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        • Author by baba19 (October 18, 2009 10:00 pm ET)
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          I sure hope she isn't. Although, she is trying to peddle the same garbage she was fed to people who like to gather their information from varying sources of media before drawing conclusions.

          While we're on the topic, I'd like her to define "mass murderer" for us. Does "Operation Shock and Awe" fall into that category?
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      • Author by concerned mom (October 16, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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        Dunn did not simply reference a historical tactic in an academic exercise, but went out of her way to explain in an unqualified way how Mao Zedong is a philosopher she turns to often, and how his chosen way is only that, a chosen way. Mao Zedong was responsible for the murder of nearly 70 million people.
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      • Author by Bill45000 (October 17, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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        Genocidal. Beck's point is that "genocidal" is the operative modifier for "philosophers".
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    • Author by RavenRog (October 16, 2009 11:26 am ET)
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      Nice attempt at spin, MMFA...keep attacking the messenger. There's a reason why Beck's and all of Fox News ratings are going up....they're doing the job the rest of the media is not doing.

      The woman said that Mao is one of her favorite political philosophers. Period. Trying to create a smokescreen around that quote by attacking Beck for his exaggerations is quite frankly, sad and ignorant. Yeah, I said it...


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    • Author by RavenRog (October 16, 2009 11:34 am ET)
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      By the way, her response according to Jake Tapper (the last fair WH journalist in the mainstream media) was that she was JOKING.

      http://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/4899962970

      Yeah, ok. Watch the actual video again. Does she really sound like she's joking? Is she joking about Mother Teresa too?

      Give me a break.....stick to facts, MMFA, not finding ways to trash non-liberal pundits. Well, if you did, this site would be pretty barren, wouldn't it?
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    • Author by mongoose (October 16, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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      Jumpin' Jack Flash! If there was ever a time we needed a Joe McCarthy, it is now! Before anyone goes into their diatribe about "McCarthyisng" and how it was worst than the Holocaust, The Salem Witch Trials and Seinfeld going off the air all at once, think about it for a minute: Mao Zedong...Mass Murderer on a scale along with Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and hey, why don't you throw in Mussolini for good measure. No redeeming quality about Mao and his murderous take over of China and the ensuing starvation, mass murder and displacement of MILLIONS... How can Anita's remarks be taken in any other way that IN CONTEXT? What do you people need to hear to be moved to any decent level of outrage. Heck, I'll take indignation on par with being indignant that Sex In The City was cancelled! Either A) Anita Dunn is an ideologue along with the line up of White House Illuminati and is not fit to serve or B) She is an imbicil for drawing any kind of valuable lesson from that Monster. Either way, she shouldn't be so much as giving tours of the White House much less serving in it.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 9:48 am ET)
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        Before anyone goes into their diatribe about "McCarthyisng"
        WTF is "McCarthyisng?" I doubt if anyone can go into a "diatribe" about something that doesn't exist.
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    • Author by PrintsofWhales (October 16, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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      It appears (from my recollection) that many, if not most, of the rebuttals you have given about the various czar's statements/positions, do not respond to the central allegation leveled against that individual.
      For instance, Van Jones was alleged...no, proven... to have signed a petition blaming 9/11 on Bush, for claiming that US farmers spray poison on immigrants, and that "white polluters" are steering poison into colored communities. These statements lead directly to Reverend Wright.
      For my part, 6 months in jail or not, this guy was/is certifiable.
      There can be no question that Beck's dramatic hyperbola often leads him into the realm of imagination. But disprove the core allegation, not the unimportant hype!
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      • Author by progressiveright (October 19, 2009 1:31 am ET)
           
        Many of the things he said were true. Bush ignored memos early in his presidency that might have prevented 9/11, it has been shown that many crop dusters as hired by farmers when they have workers in the fields, and most of the worst pollution sites in the US are in poor neighborhoods.
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    • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 16, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
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      If we used the term dictator instead of czar, would any of you object? That is what the term means in another language afterall. Can somebody point out to me exactly in what part of the Constitution does it give the executive branch the authority to consolidate power in this way? Every president since Reagan has appointed these unconstitutional czars, but this new statist in the Oval Office has created more of them than the last 4 presidents combined, and he's not even 1 year into his first term.
      You guys complained(with a great deal of justification) about the last president's successful attempts to concentrate more power in the executive. Even more power has been consolidated in the Executive at the expense of Congress. Power has been consolidated at the federal level over many decades at the expense of state and local governments, and the Executive has benefitted disproportionatley from this as well. This new administration makes all previous administrations going back to FDR look like pikers in this regard.
      Where is the criticism from the left coming from about this? If a Republican president were doing this, there would be justified howls coming from the left. But when a fellow traveler does it, he just gets a pass because he's your guy. Hypocrisy anyone?
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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        Please show us anywhere where anyone in the media on the left complained about Bush having "czars". We will wait....

        Also, please list the number of czars and what department they show their czar power over. We will wait....

        And, yes, you are clearly an ill-informed hypocrite. Anyone?
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        • Author by sarajonesnot (October 16, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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          The phrase wasn't coined at the time.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 10:04 am ET)
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            The phrase wasn't coined at the time.
            Yes it was, and "czar" is a word, not a phrase. Richard Nixon had an "Energy Czar." Even Ronald Reagan had advisors called "Czars" by the media. Please learn something before you post so you won't seem so stupid.
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        • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 16, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
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          That meandering post almost made sense in a bizarre sort of way. To answer your sole legitimate point, though: Bush's 3 or 4 unconstitutional czars weren't questioned by most in the press or opinion media. Does this make it o.k.? Of course not. Get out of your myopic republican/democrat worldview for a bit.
          The dominant leftist media and much of the right wing media don't seem to care about consolidation of power in the executive branch so long as their guy controls things. They trust their guy to "do the right thing." But this sets the precedent for the following presidents to not only do the same thing, but to expand on what their predeccessors did.
          Sadly, most of the political class and those in the press corp actually advocate consolidation of power at the federal level. They advocate the idea of a centralized government. The statists are hostile to the old federated constitutional republic that our Founders bestowed upon us. The Old Constitution, as opposed to the Shadow Constitution that we are actually governed by, created a federal government that was supposed to be powerful within a very limited sphere. The states and local governments were intended to enact the vast majority of the legislation. We don't have that anymore though. We have a heavily centralized federal government where the states are no longer legitimately sovereign, but are, in fact, vassal states to the federal government.
          Jefferson, de Tocqueville and other classical liberals warned us presciently that if the three branches of the federal government alone were to determine the constitutionality of laws then they would inevitably side with whatever expanded federal power in the long run. This is exactly what has happened. This is why our Founders held the concepts of state nullification and secession in such high regard. These were the last protections that the states and individuals had in the event of an oppressive federal government. A secesionist movement in Vermont rears its head form time to time. Good for Vermonters! If they no longer want to be a part of the union then they should have every right to secede as should any other state. The original states would have never joined the union without this protection.

          Cheers!
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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            Welfare, did you really just describe somebody else's post as "meandering"? Har!

            Seriously, get an editor.You may be able to be interesting for a sentence or two. And if you're really starving for criticism of this administration for things that right wingnuts (not "independents" like you **wink wink**) were silent about during GOP terms, I'd recommend Freerepublic or Sean Hannity's Forum. You'll find many like -minded, non-partisan rugged individualists like yourself there.

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            • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
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              Now Colonel, be nice. You know the motto: "Live free or complain!"

              The whole idea that these advisors, whom the press has termed "czars" are part of a consolidation of power is silly. I'd take repeating welfare's point more if it wasn't all mixed up with a bunch of conspiracy stuff and nonsense.

              The Bush administration was the most egregious example of Executive branch trying to assume powers not constitutional.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
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                "The Bush administration was the most egregious example of Executive branch trying to assume powers not constitutional." - mary

                I agree - certainly in modern times. The most ironic part, none of this power grab had ANYTHING to do with his "czars" or advisors. How much of a Beck sycophant do you have to be to think these "czars" are the expansion of executive power that we need to be worried about?

                There are many expansions of power that took place under G-Dub that Obama has shown sign of continuing and they are just as egregious under Obama as they were under G-Dub. Clearly, WarfareonWelfare is WAY beyond that intelligent conversation. They have NOTHING to do with how he chooses his advisors. This is child's play for the slow kids in class - which is what Beck specializes in.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 3:09 pm ET)
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                Mary, I am being nice. Obviously WWS lives in some sort of environment where nobody ever gives him the "wrap it up" signal, or mentions that his babbling opinions based on mind-reading and ridiculous mischaracterizations, conspiracies and narrow-minded understanding of issues, have all been heard before.

                I think the unkind thing would be to not let him know that his act has been done many times before. I don't like to see people waste a lot of energy, especially very boring people.
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                • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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                  I get that. My apologies.
                  As chairman mao, the philosopher/lunatic has said, "To behave like 'a blindfolded man catching sparrows' or 'a blind man groping for fish', to be crude and careless, to indulge in verbiage, to rest content with a smattering of knowledge -- such is the extremely bad style of work that still exists among many of comrades...."
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                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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                    Hmmm... very interesting, Mary. But I've got to put on my Hugo Chavez T-shirt and Pol Pot pants and head down to get my marching orders.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (October 16, 2009 5:12 pm ET)
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                      What time is the meeting again Col. don't want to be late again. Last time fearless leader promised me the punishment would be severe and mentioned FEMA trailors...yikes !
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                      • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
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                        Hope the meeting is postponed. My pol Pot pants are in the dryer and not hmung out yet to dry...
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                        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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                          Ohhh, Mary... Bad Mary ! heh. At least you didn't say you were going to touch up your khmer rouge while they dried.
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                          • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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                            Ouch. I need to go back to quoting dear leader Mao, I don't want to Laos up a good thread with rouge remarks....
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                            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 6:36 pm ET)
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                              ok, have a good weekend, Mary.
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                            • Author by congero6189599 (October 16, 2009 6:41 pm ET)
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                              I got a scope from one of my conservative friends that Glenn Beck has found out about Santa Claus's ties to our commie, socialist agenda and plans to expose Santa as a redistributionist tree hunging red wearing commie who drives around in a 0 emissions vehicle handing out free(gulp!)toys and gifts...we've been compromised...Darn Beck!

                              Meeting canceled!
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                              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 10:11 am ET)
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                                Check out "The Pause of Mr Claus" by Arlo Guthrie.

                                "Santa Claus wears a red suit, he's a Communist, has a beard and long hair, must be an anarchist. What's in the pipe that he's smoking?"

                                Funny song, which he dedicates to all the FBI agents in the audience, who can't stand up and be recognized, of course.
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                      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 10:08 am ET)
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                        Last time fearless leader promised me the punishment would be severe and mentioned FEMA trailors...yikes !
                        Threatened you with formaldehyde again, did he?
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                        • Author by congero6189599 (October 18, 2009 10:57 am ET)
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                          shhhhhhhhh! Keep it on the downlow...the Beckies are out...I hear that after Mr. Claus , Jesus the revolutionary community organizer who spoke of peace and love is next...
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                    • Author by jonesjax2374 (October 18, 2009 10:00 pm ET)
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                      You guys are cracking me up! Why, after reading all these posts, does this thought come to mind: Beck, like Charles Manson, Hitler, and Ayn Rand, were/are all failed entertainers/artists.
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            • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 16, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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              I never claimed to be an independent. I am a classical liberal. You identified me incorrectly as a so-called independent. The term independent should be reserved for those poor souls who don't know what they believe.
              And you, too, are free to keep identifying yourself as a liberal when you are no such thing by the standards of the original meaning of the word. I suspect the reason that I always manage to get you guys so flustered is because I don't fit neatly into your caricatured conservative box.
              By the way, I am heartened that you got all the way through my last post despite your complaints about its length. I guess I'm to blame, though. A speaker or poster should always know his audience. From now on, I will only post only that which could fit on a bumper sticker. I'll also make an effort to write in "see Jane run" stlye.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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                Proper paragraphs would be nice. It's not asking a lot.

                And, you think you get people flustered? I think what you get flustered is definitions of words like dictator, or czar, or socialism.

                And you are correct that you are no independent. We know exactly what you believe....whatever Beck tells you to.

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                • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 16, 2009 4:53 pm ET)
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                  Beck is not a classical liberal. I don't favor his overseas wars. He favors drug laws. I do not. He is religious. I am an atheist; or maybe a better way to put it is that I am an anti-theist.
                  I didn't derive my philosophy from newsoutlets, opinionmedia or any other such thing. My intellectual influences are classical liberals. J.S. Mill, Bastiat, Say, Adam Smith, Mises, Hayek and Rothbard are my main influences among many others. The last book I read was Christopher Hitchens' book 'God is not Great.' I recommend it to anyone.
                  And what's this stuff about you guys "knowing" exactly what I believe? Are you talking with other posters about me? I didn't realize that I was so popular.
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 5:42 pm ET)
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                    "And what's this stuff about you guys "knowing" exactly what I believe? Are you talking with other posters about me? I didn't realize that I was so popular." - WarfareonWelfare

                    We are trying to show you how silly you look when you write these same things about others. Clearly, it went over your head.

                    But, at least I do agree with your reading material. Too bad your reality is so skewed.
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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 10:12 am ET)
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                    Beck is not a classical liberal.
                    Captain Obvious strikes again!
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              • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
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                Thanx 4 y[http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/BDX/BDX337/bxp30288.jpg]
                good work sew we won't get so flustered by your brilliance.
                From now on, I'll wear sunglasses when one of your posts appears.
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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 10:16 am ET)
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                  If you do, Mary, they will be the only shades near one of his posts. WWS is a classical black/white only kind of poster.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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                I didn't mean Independent Party, or somebody without an ideology. It's just a tongue-in-cheek description I use for the parade of almost identical posters who show up on a regular basis, posting comments identical to yours. It's almost as if you work off of a template.

                I've never really identified myself as a liberal ( I know, you make things up, I'll point them out"), or anything else, except as shorthand, in a context where the meaning should be understood.You probably have no idea where I'd fit politically, considering you're going only on a few comments here. It's as ridiculous for you to imagine that you can define me as it is for you to imagine you're lecturing others here, based on some of the comments you've posted.

                I don't see anybody getting flustered. "Bored" would be more accurate, and trying to relieve that boredom as I pop into the site occasionally by having a little fun with you, and encouraging you to tighten up the act a little bit.

                You seem fairly bright, if a little misled, and this site can always use some dissenting views and posters pretending to be "Classic Liberals", "Concerned Liberals", "Fair liberals", "Former Democrats", or wearing any number of other costumes to spark some discussions.

                In case you really don't understand, my criticism (constructive, I hope) about your post was not about its length. I've seen comments here three times as long that were riveting. What they had was substance, facts, maybe some new information, and (as Mike Huck mentions) paragraphs.

                I'm going to be honest and blunt, because that's the way I am in real life, and I don't see any need to coddle an anonymous stranger on the internets. I'm also going to repeat myself, only because you seem to need it;

                You're boring. You haven't really posted anything interesting, original or new here. It's all been seen before, and most of the people here are able to see through it.I'm not faulting you for buying into it, just letting you know that you're trying to sell it to people who know it's a joke.

                As for the "See Jane Run" style, move the other way. You're currently working the same 5th grade level propaganda used so successfully by Levin and Hannity, go the other direction, away from the simplistic and emotional, and more towards the complex.

                Damn, now I'm being long-winded and boring.
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                • Author by Missouri Democrat (October 17, 2009 4:09 pm ET)
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                  Col, you are never long winded or boring, at least to me you aren't, lately I have taken to just skipping reply's from folks like WWS and fairliberal, because they are always the same stuff we have read or heard on here a gazillion times, and to straight to responses from you and the other rational thinking folks. Truly some people on here are boring and keep spouting the same old same old. When I was in the military I picked up a phrase that applies to most con remarks on here: SSDD, translation for the slow to pick things up Same S***, different day. At least the cons around here never change. ;)
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            • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 16, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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              I don't know why anyone who dissents from the collectivist line is always deemed a Sean Hannity fan. I have no taste for neoconservatives. I'm glad you thought so much of my welfare to direct me to the "other sides" websites. Really, I wasn't aware that their were only 2 sides. I must have missed the memo. My favorite site,The Ludwig von Mises Institute, doesn't neatly fit neatly into your artificial left/right paradigm.
              So I'm going to have to pass on your site suggestions. I like this one just fine. It's doubleplusgood!
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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                I'm glad you thought so much of my welfare to direct me to the "other sides" websites. Really, I wasn't aware that their were only 2 sides.


                Here's something you might make note of, Welfy. See how you put "other sides" in quotes, then seem to accuse me of setting up the false dichotomy? You're attacking yourself here.I'm not accusing you of being dishonest, or deliberately creating a strawman, you probably just subconsciously fell into that left/right paradigm that you're projecting onto me. Don't feel bad, happens to "independents" all the time.

                Your other mistake (also common among conservatives and independents) is in thinking that "anyone who dissents from the collectivist line is always deemed a Sean Hannity fan". I only saw you desperately searching a website dedicated to conservative misinformation, confused as to why you weren't finding it filled with attacks on the Obama administration. I recommended some sites where you could find what you were looking for.

                When I want to vent my criticism of the current administration, I know of some other sites I like to visit,but I didn't recommend them because of the right wing radio scent you give off (try as you might to cover it up) and I'm pretty sure they'd be too far classically liberal for your tastes.You probably would view them as "socialist", but that's all perspective.

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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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            So, WarfareonThoseonWelfare, I finally made it through your meandering post. You may want to look that word up - it clearly does not mean what you think it does.

            But, finally what you are saying is...

            You have no evidence of ANYONE ever complaining about these "czars" before Obama.

            You have no evidence to support your contention that there is a difference in the number of "czars" that G-Dub had compared to the number of "czars" that Obama has nor any other modern president.

            You have no understanding of what the term "czars" means in the context used by presidents.

            You do not know that the first "czar" was actually during the time of FDR.

            You do not understand the term socialism - which is actually a fairly simple term.

            Anything else?
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            • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 16, 2009 4:38 pm ET)
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              I didn't say that NO ONE ever complained about czars before Obama. I said that MOST in the news and opinion media didn't care. You have poor reading comprehension skills. Perhaps you just hear and read what you want to hear and read. The number of new czars alarmed alot of people who were otherwise sedated. Some of us have always pointed out the unconstitutionality of these appointees. In addition, it is beside the point whether the number concerned is 1 or 10 million. I deal in principles. I don't thing in terms of R's or D's. The broader and much more relevant point is : should these unconstitutional czar appointments exist in any administration? You can tally my vote on the nay side.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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                So, once again, you admit you have no idea how to justify any of your own claims.

                "Bush's 3 or 4 unconstitutional czars"

                "this new statist in the Oval Office has created more of them than the last 4 presidents combined"

                "If a Republican president were doing this, there would be justified howls coming from the left."

                You cannot prove ANY of your nonsense. No one complained about Bush's "czars" and you know it. You know why? Because most people are not so ignorant as to believe that these advisors have some dictatorial, executive power.

                You sound ridiculous. And you can cover it up with your references to The Ludwig von Mises Institute and de Tocqueville all you want. It does not change the obvious. You know next to nothing about that which you speak. Bring some facts to support the talking points your regurgitate next time.
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          • Author by jarossiter (October 16, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
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            "These were the last protections that the states and individuals had in the event of an oppressive federal government."

            Actually, all the states have to do is stop accepting the Federal Government's money and then they can just ignore all of those pesky rules that come with it. No need to secede.

            "The original states would have never joined the union without this protection."

            State's rights was about keeping and spreading slavery. Nothing more.
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          • Author by Ruby (October 16, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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            Czars do not have any executive powers. They're advisory positions.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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              So, they're not dictators? I wonder, Ruby, if these simple minds like WarfareonWelfare actually know how silly they sound.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 10:22 am ET)
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              Ruby, you're just trying to cloud the issue with facts. WWS will not know what you are talking about, but he'll be in good company, because he doesn't know what he's talking about, either.
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          • Author by NewBee (October 17, 2009 6:31 am ET)
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            That meandering post almost made sense in a bizarre sort of way.
            His post was concise and completely on point. Your post was beyond meandering. It's funny how often the cons falsely accuse the opposition of what they are guilt of.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (October 17, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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            Stupid burns :
            Here, for your reference, are the 47 czars during the Bush Administration:

            http://www.democrats.org/a/2009/09/the_bush_czars.php
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 12:31 pm ET)
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        And you can use dictator, czar, socialist, communist, whatever term you would like. Since you clearly understand none of these terms what does it matter? You might as well use the term "bongos" or "sandwiches".
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        • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 16, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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          For the record, a czar ot tsar does mean dictator. And I have never called you people communists. I always make sure to correctly identify you guys as socialists. Would you just prefer the catchall term collectivist? Would this make you feel a little better about things.
          By the way, I couldn't find anything in your post that actually refuted anything I posted. That's telling enough in its own right.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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            czar (zär, tsär)
            n.
            1. also tsar or tzar (zär, tsär) A male monarch or emperor, especially one of the emperors who ruled Russia until the revolution of 1917.
            2. A person having great power; an autocrat: "the square-jawed, ruddy complacency of Jack Farrell, the czar of the Fifteenth Street police station" (Ernest Hemingway).
            3. Informal An appointed official having special powers to regulate or supervise an activity: a racetrack czar; an energy czar.

            Some words have more than one meaning, WWS.(note #3). You seem very limited in your thinking.

            You also mention that you can't find anything in your post refuted, which you incorrectly interpret as "telling", I assume meaning that you feel validated. There are probably a couple of reasons you don't see point by point refutation of your comments;

            1. You're very long-winded, boring and predictable. I've rarely read past the first sentence or two of your posts, as they're easily recognizable as the same old BS that's been posted here hundreds of times by "concerned individualists" like yourself. In short, you don't say much. If you want something refuted, try going with a little more substance.

            2. They're mostly opinions. I can't refute the guy in the soiled pants in front of the liquor store when he claims that the government has implanted a chip in his brain. He probably finds that pretty "telling" as well. Good for him. Good for you.

            Best of luck to you.



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          • Author by Conchobhar (October 16, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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            Speaking only for myself, I'd prefer to be called a liberal.
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            • Author by Old_Benjamin (October 16, 2009 4:07 pm ET)
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              Oh boy now you've done it.

              Here comes wws' lesson on how "classical liberal" as a term has been usurped by you "socialist/collectivist" types to become the modern day "liberal".
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 5:42 pm ET)
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                One of the other regular right wing nuts referred to himself as a "classic liberal" a while back. It may have even been Barney Fife/AnutterAmerican, can't recall. One of the radio monkeys or websites must have been selling this one to Republicans who are ready to get in the closet..
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                • Author by Craig (October 16, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
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                  Republicans ready for the closet is dead-on. I think they're related to all those conservatives that don't like Bush who started coming out of the woodwork after the 2006 election.
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                • Author by Old_Benjamin (October 16, 2009 6:52 pm ET)
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                  Funny, can't remember who it was, maybe Chomsky, but they pointed out that the term "neo-con" isn't really accurate and in fact those types are "neo-liberals".

                  What ever happened to AA?

                  Anyway, I'm just trying to prevent another overly long post which posits the exact same things every other long winded screed he/she has submitted. But I don't want to get in the way of any of the possible masochists on this board who may derive some sort of pleasure from those wws posts, so carry on.

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                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2009 7:31 pm ET)
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                    Right, Ol' Ben, a lot of people use the Neo-Liberal tag, I think Naomi Klein (Shock Doctrine) used it a lot towards the hyper-free-market types.

                    I'm not sure what happened to Barney. I don't think anybody ever flagged his posts, so I doubt he got banned. He seemed to be melting down pretty bad the last few times I saw him here. maybe he snapped, or morphed into one of the current trolls.

                    Props to him, though, he went a few years without changing his screen name, despite the humiliation he suffered here. Most don't last that long.Courageous or oblivious.
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                    • Author by blueberrysushi (October 18, 2009 10:26 pm ET)
                         
                      Neoliberalism is a term that it used to describe the movement, beginning with Reagan and Thatcher toward a type of globalization that emphasizes free trade, land privatization, and unfettered access for business investment across borders. It is used in sociology and social geography and is part of the presumed value system of most neoclassical economists, meaning economists who support the status quo. It refers to political activities (such as requiring entry for World Bank/IMF activities, breaking down tariff systems) which further particular economic activities.

                      Neoliberalism is often associated with first-world nationalism, but it is increasingly associated with a post-national globalism, as well, because the role of the nation-state is diminished as economies become subsumed under global commodity flows.

                      For the best writing on this, see David Harvey.
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      • Author by n'est-ce pas (October 16, 2009 1:34 pm ET)
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        While you're at it, why don't you go ahead and point out how these policy advisors, these "czars," are unConstitutional. Beware, however, because I'm willing to bet you don't really even know what these people do. Saying something's unConstitutional always leaves you open to criticism, because I doubt you're anything like an expert on the subject. Most of you conservatives only use the Constitution as a prop, not as a document that you'd have to read to understand and implement.
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (October 16, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
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        Every president since Reagan has appointed these unconstitutional czars - Welfare-Warfare State

        No, it goes back much farther than that. I personally recall references to Nixon's czars, but some sources say the term's been applied as far back as FDR.

        this new statist in the Oval Office has created more of them than the last 4 presidents combined - Welfare-Warfare State

        Nonsense. He's pretty close to equal to the number attributed to WPE Bush. The problem is that there is no consistent definition of who qualifies as a czar, so your accusation manages to be both false and meaningless.
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      • Author by tjmccool2284 (October 16, 2009 5:44 pm ET)
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        This new administration makes all previous administrations going back to FDR look like pikers in this regard.

        Do tell. What power is it exactly that Anita Dunn wields? Similarly, what power is wielded by those "czars" unconfirmed by the Senate?
        Outside of your "statism" charge, (which by the way begs for a definition from you-I'm unclear on the meaning of the term as used by you and the Glenn) what exactly do these czars make you do that you find unacceptable?
        Surely this power grab by the executive has some impact on your daily life. I,frankly, haven't noticed any but that may be because I am, as you put it, a fellow traveler (what is it with you and these Mccarthyist sayings?) but I am curious about your specific objections. Do, pray, enlighten us, unworthy though we be.
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    • Author by pongotwistleton (October 16, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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      Can someone briefly explain what is admirable about Mao Zedong's political philosophy? Admittedly I'm no far east expert, but my understanding is tha he obtained power literally by slaughtering his opposition. What were his good attributes?
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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        I believe he was actually a fairly influential poet. He is also considered a highly successful military and political strategist. I think if you do a little reading, you will find many, many political and/or military leaders who reference him. He was a crackpot who was willing to let his own people starve to death in order to achieve higher and higher levels of military arms - and his economic theories were insane, but that does not negate his results as a political and military leader. He did defeat both US and Soviet-backed attempts to defeat him.

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        • Author by khacha (October 16, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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          and Hitler painted nice pictures.
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        • Author by starkcr31 (October 16, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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          Wow, then that makes it ok for someone in the White House to admire him. Hitler was a good military leader as well, so should it be ok to admire him?
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
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            You don't think military (and political) leaders throughout history have studied and admired and used some of Hitler's ideas? I have to ask, even for you Stark, are you actually that simple-minded?
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            • Author by Conchobhar (October 16, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
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              As an example, Mike, Leadership Secrets of Attila the Hun doesn't, as far as I know, counsel slaughter, rapine and pillage.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 3:20 pm ET)
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                I know I am wasting my time with most of these simple minds. But, I really am curious as to how far their party over all else mindset will take them. We cannot even reference any past military or political leaders for their philosophies if they killed innocents? How stupid and childish can these people become?
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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:26 am ET)
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                  We cannot even reference any past military or political leaders for their philosophies if they killed innocents?
                  I guess they'll never study George W Bush, then. His "Shock and Awe" was nothing but the killing of innocents.
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              • Author by Bill45000 (October 17, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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                Glad you mentioned that. You seem just the guy to give a blurb for the new executive training tome: "How to Get More From Your Subordinates: The Motivational Secrets of Joseph Stalin."
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                • Author by Conchobhar (October 17, 2009 9:06 pm ET)
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                  Read Jeff Sharlett's book, The Family, then eat a large portion of crow.
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            • Author by Bill45000 (October 17, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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              Certainly any who cited Hitler as being among their "favorite" "philosophers" would and should be hounded from public life. No?

              Mao murdered about ten times as many as Hitler.
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          • Author by n'est-ce pas (October 16, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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            Hitler was a good military leader
            Violation of Godwin's Law. Go sit in a corner.
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            • Author by Bill45000 (October 17, 2009 11:20 pm ET)
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              Godwin's Law First Exception: Godwin's Law does not apply when the subject is other genocidal maniacs and the left's admiration of same.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:27 am ET)
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              Violation of logic. Go sit on a pineapple.
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          • Author by Ruby (October 16, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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            Two things.

            First, Socrates is pretty universally regarded as as a great philosophical mind. He also pursued sexual relationships with teenage boys. Does this mean that anyone who says that Socrates is one of their "favorite philosophers", approves of adults having sex with teenage boys? Obviously not.

            Second, one of my close friends is a history major, and Hitler is one of her favorite subjects for study. She finds him fascinating. Does this mean that she thinks Hitler is awesome and that everything he ever did was awesome? Again, obviously not. Yet, Hitler is one of her favorite historical subjects to study.

            Come on, people. Use your brains.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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        If you are looking for more specifics, I believe his successes came from defeating feudalism. He built up grassroots groups of peasants and convinced them that the state was against them and their only option was to go to war with their own government. In fact, if you want a taste of some of the arguments he made against his own government tune into Glenn Beck any night or read WarfareAgainstThoseonWelfare's post - his post above illustrates some of the hot buttons that Mao was so good at pushing in the lower classes of China. Ironic, isn't it? But then, Beck always assumes his audience to be too lazy and ignorant to actually research any of his nonsense..and he is usually correct.
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        • Author by pongotwistleton (October 16, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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          My limited reading of him has been in the context of WWII books, when he was opposed to our ally, Chiang Kai Shek. I appreciate your response to my post, and your brief bio comports with my readings, but still to me he seems no different from other communist revolutionaries who prevailed in implementing repressive regimes that lasted for decades.
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          • Author by Conchobhar (October 16, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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            And in every case where Communists came to power through domestic revolution, they replaced corrupt, autocratic and repressive regimes.
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            • Author by FullTimer (October 16, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
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              ...and set about murdering everyone that disagreed with them.
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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                See "Shock and Awe." Some even murdered those who did not attack the US.
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            • Author by oscar the grouch (October 17, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
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              And within a few years (or less), they resorted to that which they had originally despised becoming what they replaced. Much like the political system in the US. We elect reprresentatives who say "I will not be like those who have preceded me" and within a few election cycles, they become the entrenched "elite", answering, for the most part, to the monied interests (or specialized voting blocs) and not to the people who elected them.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 16, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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            I think you are correct, pongo. I am no Mao expert, but I have read quite a bit of history concerning the Chinese communist uprising. He is ALOT like other communist revolutionaries. He may have been the best, though. (I know, I know I just called him the best therefore I think he was a great person.) But in all seriousness between adults, he should be studied and his amazing uprising that he inspired should be admired by anyone who is attempting to attain political power. He convinced outnumbered peasants to overthrow a feudal regime. Any way you look at it, it is impressive.

            Also, in her quote she is using his idea of "Fight your own war" - an idea that many military and political strategists have used over time. In fact, it could be said that the guerilla warfare used in the American revolution was along the same lines. Do not let others set your military agenda, fight the war that you can win.

            It sounds to me like she was using it in the context of telling high school graduates that they do not always have to be the best at doing what others before them have done. They can change the game. Set their own standards. Pretty applicable to young people about to graduate high school. That there are things that even Mao and Mother Theresa can agree on - be a leader not a follower.
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            • Author by sleepy joe (October 16, 2009 4:49 pm ET)
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              That's exactly what she was saying, but to the cons it doesn't matter. A good philosophy from an evil mind is in extension an evil philosophy.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:30 am ET)
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            My limited reading of him has been in the context of WWII books
            Then you really aren't qualified to post about the subject of this thread, but thanks for admitting your ignorance.
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        • Author by mary59 (October 16, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
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          Brilliant analysis. Perhaps this is why Beck & company keep bringing up communism...they use the same tactics that Chairman Mao did.
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      • Author by sleepy joe (October 16, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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        Ther are no good attributes. In the speech she said what she liked about his philosophy - everyone must follow their own path. It's simple. You don't have to be a murderer to agree that that's a good philosophy.
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    • Author by sarajonesnot (October 16, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
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      So why didn't Anita Dunn call the red phone? And how brilliant are you Mao "Zadong"....? Who is that?
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:34 am ET)
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        So why didn't Anita Dunn call the red phone?
        Why didn't you call the white phone?
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:35 am ET)
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        Would you have understood if she had said "Mao Zedong?"
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    • Author by Marge (October 16, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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      Darn it...isn't it time real Americans find a way to fight back against the 24 hour republican informerical known as Fox News. Can't we organize our own protest. Can't we descend on the headquarters of Fox and display our placards...can't we overwhelm their emails and letters and phones and keep it up and up and up...I think the problem is the democrats sit back and wait wait wait til they think such crap will stop. It won't...it never will til we make sure it is protested to the fullest.
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    • Author by debarrio (October 16, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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      You liberals are such a joke. Liberal definition of a lie: Exposing the truth about a liberal that they don't want people to know. Liberal definition of a smear: Repeating the words of a liberal that they don't want most Americans to hear. Example: Playing a video of Anita Dunn telling a group of High Schoolers that one of her "favorite political Philosophers" is Mao Zedong. This is a "smear" because leftist don't want regular Americans to know that one of Anita Dunn's favorite Philosophers is Mao Zedong, because then Americans would start to catch on that the White House is staffed by a bunch of Commies. BTW:For the record, do any of you liberals here even think Communism or Chairman Moa is bad? Probably not, no why all the fuss.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:37 am ET)
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        You cons are such asses. The White House isn't staffed by a bunch of Commies, but the cons on MMfA are certainly made up of a gaggle of idiots.
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    • Author by Jollymon (October 16, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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      Maybe Glenn Beck should attack the U.S. Marine Corps. After all, Mao's writings on guerrila warfare are part of the Commandant of the Marine Corps Offical Reading List. I guess that makes all us Marines commies according to Beck. Especially if we use his tactics during combat.
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      • Author by jonesjax2374 (October 18, 2009 10:22 pm ET)
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        Jolly - snap and bravo! Slams this whole fascinating argument. Those reds are EVERYWHERE!!!
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    • Author by ceres (October 16, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
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      All you extremists better watch closely the freedoms the elitist class is stripping away from you without you even knowing. Power is their only goal and history has shown time and again what happens with absolute power.
      Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Hussein, Kim Jong Il, Ahmahdenajad, Chavez ....just the kind of mentality we need taking over this country!
      Coming soon to a theater near you.....Hail Obama...the GREAT ONE! Or possibly the next great exterminator?
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 18, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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        Wow. This post by cere could actually have been written by Mao himself. Fascinating.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:40 am ET)
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        the elitist class
        By "elitist," doyou mean those who have family compounds at places like Kennebunkport, and who went to schools like Andover Prep and Yale? Because those elitists made a real attempt to strip away our freedoms, all in the name of anti-terrorism.

        And Mike Huck is right, your posts is frightening in its resemblance to Mao's incitement of the masses.
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    • Author by concerned mom (October 16, 2009 4:39 pm ET)
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      Anita Dunn did not simply reference a historical tactic in an academic exercise, but went out of her way to explain in an unqualified way how Mao Zedong is a philosopher she turns to often, and how his chosen way is only that, a chosen way. Mao Zedong was responsible for the murder of nearly 70 million people.
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    • Author by Mwalkin (October 16, 2009 4:41 pm ET)
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      If she really "worshiped" Mao I would hope that many more examples of this "worship" could be found. If not then I would say its pretty crappy "worship" by her and the Beck worshipers should drink the koolaid and add anothe layer of foil to the dunce cap.
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    • Author by JeffStoneSaysHi (October 16, 2009 7:53 pm ET)
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      Anyone who considers themselves a professional AMERICAN POLITICIAN, AND SAYS, they worship, or love, or believe in communist philosophy from one of the worst dictators of the 20th Century, that person is a communist. Don't forget, that the new Left, is actually the emerging communists..YOU HATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. WHAT SANE PERSON THINKS MAO TSE DUNG WAS A PHILOSOPHER, THE MAN SET CHINA BACK SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS, IT WAS THE DARK AGES WITH HIM AS THEIR LEADER, HE REPRESSED HIS PEOPLE. HOW UN-EDUCATED CAN LIBERALS BE???
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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        HEY JEFFSTONE, YOUR CAPS LOCK IS STUCK!

        All sane people think Mao was a philosopher. How stupid can Cons be?
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (October 18, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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        Anyone who considers themselves a professional AMERICAN POLITICIAN, AND SAYS, they worship, or love, or believe in communist philosophy from one of the worst dictators of the 20th Century, that person is a communist. - JeffStoneSaysHi

        Dunn didn't say she worships Mao. Dunn didn't say she loves Mao. Dunn didn't say she believes in communist philosophy.

        Given that she didn't say anything that was remotely close to those things, what is your point?
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      • Author by baba19 (October 18, 2009 10:37 pm ET)
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        Yeah, I hate freedom of speech. Those people who were arrested for wearing anti-Bush shirts sure deserved it. Dan Rather sure deserved to be fired. The Dixie Chix should have had their contract burned with their records. God bless Freedom Fries.
        a Yup.
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    • Author by ScienceBuff (October 16, 2009 8:38 pm ET)
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      Dunn's statement today on Beckie-boy:

      "The use of the phrase 'favorite political philosophers' was intended as irony, but clearly the effort fell flat -- at least with a certain Fox commentator whose sense of irony may be missing."

      She also said:

      "The Mao quote is one I picked up from the late Republican strategist Lee Atwater from something I read in the late 1980s, so I hope I don't get my progressive friends mad at me."

      It sounds to me as though Dunn has a good dry sense of humor. That was the impression I got the first time I saw the video of her making the Mao reference.
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      • Author by foolardi (October 16, 2009 10:12 pm ET)
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        Firstly Mother Teresa WASN'T a Philosopher.Nor a Theologian.
        She didn't proselytize or make lenghty speeches.
        She just did God's work.
        So for a hack in Obama's Hack-ridden employ,to cite
        her as a Political philosopher is what it is.
        Just dopey.Which a Dopey's Agenda,wraps nicely around.
        Obama is just a Creep with a Dope's agenda.
        An agenda that true Dopes can admire,afford and
        sychophant around.Like a Renfield in frenzied adoration
        of Dracula's every movement.Following his every move as
        if immortal,and therefore placing him in the nicest light.
        But the trick being,Only Nite light.Nothing save damp soil
        an underground cavern,the better to hide and wait till
        dusk beckons.

        I can seed where this Zedong guy had a point.

        Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung

        " Liberalism is extremely harmful.It is a corrosive
        which disrupts unity .... It deprives the revoluntionary
        ranks of compact organization and discipline. "
        -- "Combat Liberalism," Sept.7,1937



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        • Author by ScienceBuff (October 17, 2009 8:21 pm ET)
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          That that first paragraph sure used a lot of badly constructed sentences to say almost nothing. Philosophy can be gained from many people who share their perspectives, regardless of their professions. Mother Theresa shared her basic life philosophies, therefore she could be regarded as a philosopher.

          The rest of that paragraph boils down to "Me no like Obama. Me no like Obama supporters."

          Anyone with a modicum of education knows that liberalism had a very different meaning in 1937 than it does in modern day America. I'm a generous guy, though, so I forgive you for your ignorance.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:44 am ET)
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            The rest of that paragraph boils down to "Me no like Obama. Me no like Obama supporters."
            Yes, but you phrased it more intelligently.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 18, 2009 11:28 am ET)
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          Everyone has a philosophy, simpleton. Unless you just believe what other tell you to believe. If the shoe fits....
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      • Author by ITSREN (October 16, 2009 11:25 pm ET)
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        Anita Dunn..."was intended as irony, but clearly the effort fell flat"

        What a moron Anita Dunn is, whatever the intent of her message, the fact that she is the United States of America's White House Communications Director and brought up Mao Zedong to convey her point was not very smart. She committed a faux pas that deserved some explaining, albeit one that is as frivolous as stating it was irony - good work "Communications" director. While I don't listen to Glen Beck, Rush or any of the right wing fanatics, as an independent who voted for Barrack, I just wish he would have been more selective with the people he associates with. As for Anita, next time try to bring home your point with just Mother Teresa and leave it at that. Boy, some "Communications" director - jeez-whiz....way to "communicate" your message - moron!
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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          And when Ann Coulter says her remarks are intended as jokes, you think she's brilliant, correct?
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      • Author by congero6189599 (October 17, 2009 11:24 am ET)
           
        That should just about rap this up SB . :-)
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    • Author by caesaro2001 (October 17, 2009 3:12 am ET)
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      I think we all need to start calling this new wave of hard core Anti America fanatics, extremists and anti anything that is good for America lead by Limbaugh and Glenn Beck:

      RE-TRAITOR-RISTS
      Republican, Traitors and Home Grown Terrorists

      They have started an all out campaign to discredit Obama and the recovery and have launched their usual fear & smear campaign that Obama will ruin the country with his policies aimed at confusing the blind sheep. The brain washing campaign to influence the swing voters has already started and its fierce as if the elections were this November, they are not playing. They are going to pound us with lies because some will stick and it's working. We can't sit back and watch. Just like in marketing, advertising works and they know it.
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    • Author by Converse (October 17, 2009 3:15 am ET)
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      I've sifted through this site as well youtube, trying to find something besides just reactionary comments from both sides of the issue. Therefore, I'll try to make this brief. If you're OK with what Anita Dunn said, please just tell me you'd feel the same way if she had mentioned Adolf Hitler instead of Mao Tse Tung.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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        False equivaloence. She did mention Mao, she didn't mention Hitler. Why do you spend your time worrying about things that didn't happen?
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        • Author by Converse (October 19, 2009 2:35 am ET)
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          The argument that's in favor of Dunn seems to be that one can agree with a dictator's philosophies without sympathizing with the dictator's methods or condoning his actions. If this is true, the dictator's name shouldn't matter. Besides, why is Mao a better person to "turn to" than Hitler, anyway?
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    • Author by mcbuff (October 17, 2009 7:01 am ET)
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      It's very simple. She said two political philosophers that were in her "favorite" category were Mao and Mother Teresa. The damaging statement is when she emphasizes that these are the two people "she turns to most". . .In other words, clearly she holds Mao in high regard. This cannot be spun out of by insisting she was merely choosing a quote that may have fit the occasion. Here's the "context". . .she makes a power, unequivocal statement that she holds Mao in highest regard as one of her favorite political philosophers that she turns to the most. This is an odd thing for her to say, especially given she is the WH communications director. You can call Beck all the names in the world but it doesn't change the basic fact: The lady is, at best, a ditz and, at worst, a Maoist with conflicting Mother Teresa leanings. I don't know who is doing the staff hiring at the WH but that's the person they need to get rid of.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (October 17, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
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        My favorite Glenn Beck video;

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuV1XG517cc

        Anita dunn ain't going anywhere.
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    • Author by joelgp (October 17, 2009 7:51 am ET)
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      at fox it's about someone else's blood, brother---it's about the flag, american and confederate--it's about country, before obama became president--it's about faith and integrity, unless you're esign, sanford and vitter--it's about middle america, even thou all of their hosts live and work in new york--it's about patriotism unless your owner is australian--it's about freedom of speech unless the president is speaking at notre dame-- it's about yelling both sides of the story--they report gop talking points everyday and you decide whether any of it is true--it's about college dropouts, hannity and beck--a place where intelligence is mocked and ignorance celebrated--it's a home for non-readers like palin and preachers like huck--a place where overeaters like covouto, and perverts like oreilly feel safe. fox is a safe place for fake pimps, birthers, teabaggers, drill baby drillers and all the other fringes of the party they so well represent. fox will be successful for a long time because it's really hard not to watch a good wreck.
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      • Author by baba19 (October 18, 2009 10:45 pm ET)
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        Eloquent. Brilliant. Hilarious... and true. I do have to watch Fox news every now and then for a good laugh... and then a few tears knowing there are people out there hanging on every word, soaking it up without even a modest amount of deliberation.
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    • Author by Moochie (October 17, 2009 11:34 am ET)
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      I couldn't watch Beck's Bilge beyond about the first 10-15 minutes. The dreck being spouted from his mouth made me think I was watching a really bad soap. It'd help if there were some humor, but I think Beck's had a humor bypass. I decided to watch Family Guy instead.
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    • Author by Bill45000 (October 17, 2009 11:39 am ET)
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      This attack on Glenn Beck and "defense" of Anita Dunn is dishonest and laughable.

      "my favorite political philosophers, Mao Tse-Tung ..."

      Nothing ironic, satiric, or ambiguous about Dunn's use of the word "favorite".

      Mark Steyn brilliantly skewers it in his column today:

      "If you say, “Chairman Mao? Wasn’t he the wacko who offed 70 million Ch!nks?”, you’ll be hounded from public life for saying the word “Ch!nks.” But, if you commend the murderer of those 70 million as a role model in almost any school room in the country from kindergarten to the Ivy League, it’s so entirely routine that only a crazy like Glenn Beck would be boorish enough to point it out...."


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      • Author by ScienceBuff (October 17, 2009 8:31 pm ET)
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        It was the use of the word "favorite" that provided the dose of irony. It was when I heard her use that word, with the inflection she used, that I became positive she was being ironic. I'll grant you that she isn't a great speaker and many others could have done it better, but it really was obvious to anyone without an agenda.
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        • Author by MagCynic (October 17, 2009 9:01 pm ET)
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          I don't hear it at all. What was even the point then of using irony in this case? She didn't mention anything Mother Theresa said. Why not just quote him directly without saying anything about Mother Theresa or favorite political philosophers? In fact, why not just find a different quote to make your point? Stay away from Mao all together.
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          • Author by ScienceBuff (October 18, 2009 12:18 am ET)
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            She did mention Mother Teresa, referencing her "Find your own Calcutta" statement. The Mao quote served to make her point and using it in juxtaposition with the Mother Teresa quote, which reinforced the message, was what gave it irony. In context, and the way she stated it, I just can't see it as a serious statement that Mao was truly a favorite philosopher. It was designed to add a little extra life to a traditional "find your own way" message. As I stated (and it's clear to anyone who watches her) she's not a very good speaker. Regardless, the sense of playfulness and use of irony comes through to me.
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          • Author by ScienceBuff (October 18, 2009 12:18 am ET)
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            She did mention Mother Teresa, referencing her "Find your own Calcutta" statement. The Mao quote served to make her point and using it in juxtaposition with the Mother Teresa quote, which reinforced the message, was what gave it irony. In context, and the way she stated it, I just can't see it as a serious statement that Mao was truly a favorite philosopher. It was designed to add a little extra life to a traditional "find your own way" message. As I stated (and it's clear to anyone who watches her) she's not a very good speaker. Regardless, the sense of playfulness and use of irony comes through to me.
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            • Author by baba19 (October 18, 2009 10:49 pm ET)
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              Thank you for your post. Someone who actually went back to the SOURCE MEDIA and did their own analysis. GASP!
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            • Author by ScienceBuff (October 18, 2009 12:20 am ET)
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              Sorry about the double post. The clicker button on my laptop is acting up.
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    • Author by fabucat58 (October 17, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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      Isn't there a tape of C Street cult leader Doug Coe praising Mao and Hitler??? How many of Beck's followers also approve of politicians who belong to C Street?
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    • Author by MagCynic (October 17, 2009 8:20 pm ET)
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      I agree with Beck. Where are the politicians whose favorite political philosophers are Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin?
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 18, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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        Don't forget the murdering pols who say their favorite political philosopher is Jesus.
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        • Author by MagCynic (October 18, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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          Jesus has nothing to do with this. Where are the politicians that are inspired by our Founding Fathers?
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          • Author by congero6189599 (October 18, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
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            Straw man argument are you saying that there are traitors in the US government? Every Senator and Congressman swears an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the US. Not to a individual or to the President but to the constitution. What are you trying to propose some cult of personality. When you swear that oath you're swearing to the foundations of this country and those who founded it. Are pictures of Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson ,George Washington being removed from our halls of Congress and classrooms. We don't pledge alligiance to the founding fathers we pledge to the constitution of American and the republic for which it stands. To do anything else would be to worship a cult or individuals and that just ain't American.
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            • Author by baba19 (October 18, 2009 10:50 pm ET)
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              Word.
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            • Author by MagCynic (October 19, 2009 2:27 am ET)
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              So let me get this straight: you think that since our Congressmen swear an oath to protect and uphold the Constitution then they can't be guided by the philosophies of those that created that same Constitution? Who said anything about swearing an oath to an individual? Everyone in Congress swears to uphold and follow the Constitution. Therefore it is logical to assume the Founders should inspire and guide every single one of our Senators and Representatives. Do you really think every single one of our Congressmen see eye to eye with the Founders? How many times has President Obama quoted any of our Founders?
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    • Author by rsteele (October 18, 2009 3:56 am ET)
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      How can you say Fox reporters made false claims about Obama's "czars" when they show video clips of these individuals making some very extreme radical statements. Anita Dunns reference to Mao in any context except that he is a ruthless Communist Dictator responsible for the murder of millions of his own citizens indicates she doesn't belong anywhere in any capacity of our American Government. Our Country is full of great Patriotic Americans and what we see is our President placing individuals of very controversial backgrounds or philosophies as his "czars".
      What are we to make of this?
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    • Author by USAFRET (October 18, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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      This is nothing new. The left have always been fascinated with dictators like Chavez and Castro. They admire their power over the masses. Just recently members of the Congressional Black Causus came back from Cuba on a "fact finding mission" and heaped praise on Castro. Just the facts
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      • Author by progressiveright (October 19, 2009 1:35 am ET)
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        There are just as many evil dictators on the right. Here are a few Hitler, Mussolini, Husein, Baby Doc, and many more. The problem is both extreams are evil.
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        • Author by MagCynic (October 19, 2009 2:29 am ET)
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          I can make a very strong argument that Hitler and Mussolini were men of the left. Care to guess which side of the political spectrum the Nazi party platform falls?
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      • Author by progressiveright (October 19, 2009 1:37 am ET)
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        Prescott Bush gave money and other support to Nazi Germany with and we elected both his son and grandson to President. This shows that evil exists on the right.
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    • Author by kb8nfu (October 19, 2009 2:41 am ET)
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      I don't know about politics much. I do know...
      Anita Dunn is a communist, she adores chairman Mao and Kim Jon, not to mention Hugo. Did you know my brother changed his name, it used to be Hugo, I wonder why he did that.
      I really don't care about her political views, but last time I looked we are a Republic of states, not a democracy. I really despise her after indoctrinating the graduating class she spoke to. What is it with marxist, don't they think, we the people, have a working brain?

      blake_braesicke@netzero.net
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    • Author by Ruby (October 19, 2009 7:38 am ET)
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      Con logic:

      Hitler was a vegetarian. Therefore, clearly, vegetarianism is evil.
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