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UPDATED: Beck, Drudge, WND, Fox Nation falsely accuse Dunn of admitting White House "control" over news media

October 19, 2009 3:27 pm ET — 75 Comments

WorldNetDaily, followed by the Drudge Report and Fox Nation, falsely claimed that during a January 12 speech, White House communications director Anita Dunn boasted about the White House's "control" over the media. In fact, Dunn was discussing the Obama campaign's strategy for controlling the campaign's message, not the media; moreover, her comments were made before Obama had taken office and before she became communications director.

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UPDATE:

On his October 19 Fox News show, Glenn Beck played the Dunn clip and linked it to his attacks on Dunn's past comments about Mao. Beck said that "Mao did like to control the media."

WND, Drudge, Fox Nation falsely claim Dunn admitted, "We 'control' news media"

WND headline: "White House boasts: We 'control' news media." The WorldNetDaily article was subtitled, "Communications chief offers shocking confession to foreign government," and claimed that "President Obama's presidential campaign focused on 'making' the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was 'controlled,' White House Communications Director Anita Dunn disclosed to the Dominican government at a videotaped conference." The article quoted Dunn as saying, "Very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn't absolutely control." [WorldNetDaily, 10/18/09]

Drudge headline: "White House admits: We 'control' news media ..." The Drudge Report linked to the WorldNetDaily article with the following headline:

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Fox Nation headline: "WH Admits: We 'Control' News Media." Fox Nation linked to a video of Dunn's comments and to the WorldNetDaily article with the following headline:

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Beck cited WND report in his ongoing smear campaign against Dunn. On his October 19 radio program, Glenn Beck highlighted the clip to continue smearing Dunn, who he has previously falsely claimed "worships" "her hero" Mao Zedong. While Beck stated that "every candidate tries" to "control the press" and that "there's no problem with that," he added: "Here is a problem that I do have, is that they -- she used the -- if I may quote her, 'A huge part of our press strategy was to make the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to why the campaign was saying it and the strategy.' Hmm. ... Why wouldn't you want -- is it possible that you didn't want anybody looking at your tactics because they're all Saul Alinsky tactics?"

Dunn was discussing how the Obama campaign "controlled" its message, not the media

Dunn was describing the campaign's direct video method. In her speech, Dunn discussed ways in which the Obama campaign attempted to disseminate its message directly to the media. One of those methods was by recording its own videos and sending them directly to supporters. She said of that strategy:

DUNN: A huge part of our press strategy was focused on making the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to, you know, why the campaign was saying it, what the tactic was, that we -- we had a huge premium both on message discipline, on people in the campaign not leaking to reporters and people in the campaign not discussing our strategy, and also on making the press cover what we were saying.

So we, you know, one of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters; we just put that out there and make them write what Plouffe had said as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much we controlled it, as opposed to the press controlled it.

Dunn's speech given before Obama took office, and before Dunn was named communications director. Dunn's comments reportedly came during an event hosted by the Global Foundation for Democracy and Development on January 12, before Obama had taken office. Dunn was named the White House's interim communications director in April.

Transcript

From the October 19 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: Now here's the latest from Anita. She was at a conference, and she was talking about the strategy and how Obama won, and what they did with the press. Now I want you to listen to this carefully and tell me what sticks out at you.

DUNN [audio clip]: That a huge part of our press strategy was focused on making the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to, you know, why the campaign was saying it, what the tactic was, that we -- we had a huge premium both on message discipline, on people in the campaign not leaking to reporters and people in the campaign not discussing our strategy, and also on making the press cover what we were saying.

So we, you know, one of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters; we just put that out there and make them write what Plouffe had said as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much we controlled it, as opposed to the press controlled it.

BECK: OK. So this one has come out this weekend, that we controlled the press. And what people are saying about this is that, see? They're controlling the press. Well, let's be honest here. Isn't that what every candidate tries to do? If you don't control the press, if you don't get your hands around the press, they're going to have their hands around your throat. It is a struggle to the death -- not for Obama. I mean, they would have their hands all over you stroking your smooth pecs and saying, "Oh, you are just so hot." So it's never been that problem for Barack Obama, but that's what you do.

STEVE "STU" BURGUIERE (producer): Right, you try to define -- you try to define your message, don't let them define you.

BECK: Don't let them define you.

BURGUIERE: Right.

BECK: So there's no problem with that. Here is a problem that I do have, is that they -- she used the -- if I may quote her, "A huge part of our press strategy was to make the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to why the campaign was saying it and the strategy." Hmm.

Well, there's a couple of ways of looking at that. First, what was Obama saying as opposed to why. There's no more important and no more basic question than "Why?" Why do we need health care right now, even though the benefits don't kick in till 2013? Why? Why did they hire Van Jones, an avowed communist who also worshipped Mao? Why? Why did they brush him out in the middle of the night? Why? Why won't they disavow any of the communist ties that they're -- the administration seems to have? Why? Why is ACORN funding starting back up again on October 31? Why? Why won't they do an investigation? Why is SEIU the one that is actually doing all of the health care work? Why?

You see, if you just focus on what he's saying, and not why he's saying it, well, you miss an awful lot of the story, don't you? Is -- is the journalist -- isn't the one of the main things that you learn is who, what, where, when, and why? Are we just now taking out the why are they asking? The other part of it is, we just want to, if I may quote, "huge part of our press strategy was to make sure the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to why and what tactics we were using."

OK. Well, what tactics are you using? Why wouldn't you want anybody using that? Why wouldn't you want -- is it possible that you didn't want anybody looking at your tactics because they're all Saul Alinsky tactics?

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    • Author by ScienceBuff (October 19, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
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      Context, you morons!!! It matters!!!
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      • Author by loonz (October 19, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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        Context really doesn't matter here. Every politician tries to control his/her message in the media. If they don't, they're toast.
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        • Author by bintx (October 19, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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          Dana Perino admitted this morning that they avoided MSNBC.
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          • Author by shoes89 (October 19, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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            For anyone to take MM's post seriously, they have to totally disregard the actual words that Dunn said.

            Nice try on this one, MM, but you should have left this one alone.
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            • Author by eweston8542983 (October 19, 2009 6:52 pm ET)
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              Same ole Shoe.
              Not a clue.
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            • Author by thaneb (October 20, 2009 9:51 am ET)
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              How do you function, existing in a world without chronology with context, a meaningless concept?
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            • Author by bintx (October 20, 2009 11:09 am ET)
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              Well, since I heard Dunn's words when they were spoken, I believe I KNOW what she said.
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            • Author by wzwriter (October 20, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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              I see that Shoes slithered out from under her rock, posted a useless message, and then slithered away again......
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          • Author by markbfoot199 (October 20, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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            Avoided near the end of Bush's term. I do not ever remember the Bush Administration coming out and bashing MSNBC. Wow, Obama is so sensitive, what can't take a little criticism?

            FYI - "we just put that out there and make them write what Plouffe had said as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much we controlled it, as opposed to the press controlled it."

            "as opposed to the press controlled it" so what we have learned more is that the current Main Stream Media is too lazy to do a real job and just accept what is being said to them.
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            • Author by ScienceBuff (October 20, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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              The Obama administration didn't "bash" Faux. They were asked a direct question about their casual disregard of Faux Snooze and they explained the reason for it. The hyper-sensitivity is all on the part of Faux and its sycophantic fans.

              so what we have learned more is that the current Main Stream Media is too lazy to do a real job and just accept what is being said to them. - markbfoot199

              I suppose one could come to that conclusion if one had an almost complete lack of reading comprehension. You have my sympathy. With some effort you may be able to partially overcome your disability.
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              • Author by markbfoot199 (October 20, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
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                Much like how a few accepted a fake story from the Chamber of Commerce. Yea, they really do their homework these days. Just makes me laugh.
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            • Author by CohibaMan (October 20, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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              MSNBC also didn't give daily airtime to people who have stated they are basically on a mission to "take down" the Bush Administration by getting Bush Administration officials fired on spurious charges.
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    • Author by right ON (October 19, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
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      Ho-hum. Big news. So candidates and politicians are out to control their message and what they want to public to hear and see. Who doesn't know that. They all do it. None of them can handle unscripted, unrehearsed moments where they can't hide behind spokespeople, handlers, or communications directors. Most of them only visit friendly interviewing environments where their learned talking points can be robotically delivered. This is nothing new and Obama can hardly be criticized for it anymore than anyone else can.

      And politicians wonder why people like Beck and other ultra cynics have any traction in the media. They are partly to blame for creating people like him.
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      • Author by open_mind (October 19, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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        Good points. If I had seen them before I posted, I would have just left it at a thumbs up and not posted myself below. I think it pretty much sucks that candidates are so scripted, but like you wrote, this is hardly "news" any more. Been going on for several decades now at the very least.
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (October 19, 2009 5:10 pm ET)
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        The problem is that Beckie and Faux aren't using your correct interpretation of Dunn's words. The reason MMFA HAS to put this in here is that they are suggesting that the Obama campaign exerted some sort of influence on what the media said, not the reality of simply controlling what came out of their campaign.

        And they're running with their own interpretation.
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        • Author by right ON (October 19, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
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          I know that. Dunn clearly said the message, not the media. I was making a broader statement about politicians' reluctance to face media interviewers that don't adoringly bat their eyelashes and tell them how wonderful they are. And how many of them are the same ones who complain about personalities in the media who have tapped into the ever-growing cynicism that has resulted from that reluctance.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 20, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
               
            I don't disagree with you at all, RightOn. But, once again we, the people, must accept some of this responsibility. We pretend like we want our leaders to be "real" but by our track record we tend to show just the opposite. There is a portion of the American electorate that wants to be sold a character. There are still people today who believe that a Connecticut-born, Maryland male cheerleader was actually a rancher from Texas.

            We jump all over any small mis-statement, no matter how silly. We jumped all over Biden for suggesting that Obama is eloquent (or whatever he said) and we attack Trent Lott for saying nice things about a 200-year old man as if this should have any bearing on their political statments or their leadership skills.

            I think we all remember how the media handled Howard Dean shouting to his own people after his primary loss and how the people responded to the media's handling of the non-issue. We pretend as if we are tired of the polished, professional, communcation-handling duties of every successful politican, but as soon as they step out and say or do anything outside the expected we make it into a scandal. I am just saying - we, and the media, share the blame for the politicians we have created.
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    • Author by open_mind (October 19, 2009 4:00 pm ET)
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      Lol. Beck really is a moron. Dunn is merely talking about how they would not let the media hijack their message for the day on the campaign. Pretty shrewd of the Obama campaign for the most part.

      I wish campaigns did not have to do this stuff, but it is how successful ones work. If you look at winning campaigns, the ones that stay on message usually win.
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    • Author by Truth Crusader (October 19, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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      LOVE that you're out in front of this one, since I suspect this is at the heart of Beck's big "bombshell" tonight! I also suspect that after teasing this earlier, he just couldn't wait. Yet another way in which Beck reminds me of a pre-teen.
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    • Author by draftedin68 (October 19, 2009 4:18 pm ET)
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      Sorry Glenn, this just ain't news!

      During the campaign, I don't think I heard this revelation discussed more than three or four times.

      As I recall, it was characterized more as how well Obama's campaign team was maintaining message discipline than how the Corporate Controlled Media was being manipulated.

      I'm sure the McCain/Palin campaign would've killed to have anything approaching this degree of message discipline. Their version was to prevent Sarah The Dim from speaking (post-Couric) to almost anyone except FOX NEWS, the defacto communications wing of the RNC.

      Mr. Beck should take care when flinging those commie sickles all about - they can sometimes act like boomerangs.

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      • Author by bintx (October 19, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
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        Perino admitted on F&F this morning that they avoided MSNBC.
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        • Author by magnolialover (October 19, 2009 7:22 pm ET)
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          And to that, I say no big deal. Bush admin knew which side their bread was super heavily buttered on (FoxNews), so they played to their strength, and the people who liked them. This isn't shocking or news to me either really. In fact, I would think them very stupid if they didn't ignore, or avoid MSNBC.
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        • Author by wzwriter (October 20, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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          Perino admitted on F&F this morning that they avoided MSNBC.

          The Bush Misadministration also avoided facts, the truth, and reality....
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      • Author by loonz (October 19, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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        Beck essentially says what you wrote but then he focuses on this comment by Dunn:

        "A huge part of our press strategy was to make the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to why the campaign was saying it..."

        He then deduces that this is the reason why the media (excluding FOX) isn't following up on his paranoid theories as opposed to the reason being that he's a rambling psycho.
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    • Author by mefirst (October 19, 2009 5:25 pm ET)
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      what she said was that they were not going to let the media control their message. her point is really quite correct. the media always spends an inordinate amount of time on what a person supposedly said, instead of what they said. [somewhat like fox in this instance]
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    • Author by wzwriter (October 19, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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      It's rather pathetic when all it takes to disprove Drudge, World Nut Daily, AND Becky is one quick glance at a calendar.....
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (October 19, 2009 6:46 pm ET)
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      Ms. Dunn stated that Obama's Campaign should "NOT" let the Media frame Obama's Presidential Campaign Message, and these Republicans now want to make this some kind of controversy? Just pathetic.

      Thank you Media Matters for your "AWESOME" research to show how FoxNation, WND, Drudge and FoxNews Channel's Host, Glenn Beck are ALL on a political witch hunt to "smear" an American President by ANY means necessary. This is so pathetic, it's shameful - LOL.
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      • Author by MiddleLeft (October 20, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
           
        Ms. Dunn stated that Obama's Campaign should "NOT" let the Media frame Obama's Presidential Campaign Message

        Even more important she said they wanted to focus the media on the MESSAGE instead of politics and strategy. The media wants to focus on the horse race but not on the horses.
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    • Author by ScienceBuff (October 19, 2009 7:06 pm ET)
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      The other part of it is, we just want to, if I may quote, "huge part of our press strategy was to make sure the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to why and what tactics we were using."

      OK. Well, what tactics are you using? Why wouldn't you want anybody using that? Why wouldn't you want -- is it possible that you didn't want anybody looking at your tactics because they're all Saul Alinsky tactics?
      - Beck

      That's where the dishonest spin comes into play. If you read the rest of what Dunn says it's very clear the by tactics she was referring to media analysis of campaign strategy. In other words, the media had shown a clear tendency to analyze everything in terms of how it affected the campaign and didn't tend to analyze what the policies being presented meant for the country. The Obama campaign was working to exercise some control over how their message was treated by maintaining tight control over what the media was fed. They tried to keep the focus on policy.

      It's not that hard to understand and, frankly, I think Beckie does understand it. He's just perfectly happy to dishonestly twist it, because that's the kind of guy he is.
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    • Author by HopeNovak (October 19, 2009 7:11 pm ET)
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      How can people continue to believe him? All Dunn said is they want the media to, basically, hear the President's message, from the President, and not some commentators opinion about the message.
      What a miserable life Beck must lead, having to think up all this hate all day every day...very tiresome.
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    • Author by ttariku20046974 (October 19, 2009 9:18 pm ET)
         
      Glen's problem is not really about the "why" but the democratic party and left. As a focus to the news, I personally don't like bias or destoration get on the way to my informations. If I'm the focus of the news why do I want bad media, like fox news, became the driver of my informations knowing that they will tamper to the content especially news worth the public to know?
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    • Author by Flaboy (October 19, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
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      If FOX news is such a thorn in the side for the white house, no problem, just call for a nation wide boycott of all their advertisers, force them out of business, make them beg for a bailout, or some kind of gov. assistance, like GE and NBC, then you can force them to say just what the Gov. wants them to say, and if they say something derogatory towards the president, you fire the top execs, and replace them with more olbermans, or maddows. In order to control the people, you must first control the media, and it looks like FOX is the last one left.
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      • Author by bintx (October 20, 2009 11:12 am ET)
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        All the WH has done is state the obvious. Fox is not a news network.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 20, 2009 11:23 am ET)
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        Don't give up, Flaboy, you'll post something intelligible yet. Maybe.
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    • Author by Jollymon (October 19, 2009 10:16 pm ET)
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      OK, what Dunn is talking about is basic PR 101 strategy for just about everyone from politicians to companies to the military that want to convey only certain messages that can't be twisted by the media. It's controlling the flow of information, not controlling the media. But since Beck isn't a "journalist" he wouldn't know this.

      Also if Beck was a "journalist" he would know that the most important questions and info in news stories are Who, What, When, Where then Why and occasionally How. It's called the five W's of journalism listed in order of importance. Read any lead of a legitimate news story and those elements are usually listed in that order. They don't lead with "Why." You can't ask why until you know who is doing what where and when. Its basic stuff Beck.

      How does this guy even have a TV show and why is Fox News still able to call themselves a "news" network?
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      • Author by salg01 (October 20, 2009 9:09 am ET)
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        beck says all the time he is NOT a journalist
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        • Author by bintx (October 20, 2009 11:13 am ET)
             
          But, the average Fox viewer believes that when they tune to Fox, they are getting "news." No news there.
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          • Author by Flaboy (October 20, 2009 8:14 pm ET)
               
            Any average Fox viewer, knows the difference between commentary, and news, Beck is commentary-opinion, all he does is ask questions, but he does ask who, what where when why and how, just that the so called transparent white house cannot answer because they are about issues they dont want the public to know
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        • Author by Jollymon (October 21, 2009 12:17 am ET)
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          Salg,

          I did say in my post that Beck isn't a journalist. So his credibility in trying to say the most important question is "Why" when it comes to news is zero. In fact his credibility in anything he says is zero.

          And your credibility in responding to my post is zero since all you did was try to refute my post by saying something I already stated in it. Thank you, come again.
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    • Author by kydem09 (October 20, 2009 7:31 am ET)
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      MMFA ignores that the Obama administration has already made attempts to control the media by producing its own videos of news events, complete with interviews, such as when the UConn women's basketball team visited the WH. Now the WH is attempting to quarantine Fox News so other news organizations won't pick up on any damaging stories promoted by Fox, such as ACORN and Van Jones.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (October 20, 2009 8:20 am ET)
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        Fox is not a news channel and refuting their misinformation is not controlling the media. UConns basketball team? WTF? Thats all you got? How about the Pentagon under the Bush administration using retired military personal to push their message(the whitehouses)in the runner-up to the war in Iraq all the while posing as independent analysis. How about the Bush whitehouse using Armstrong Williams to peddle it's no child education program while posing as an independent analysis. He was being paid by the whitehouse.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

        and more about the illegal psyops on steroid csmpaign carried out against the American people:

        http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pentagon_military_analyst_program

        and on Armstrong Williams being paid by the whitehouse to promote NCLB

        http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/08/bush.journalist/index.html
        and:
        http://mediamatters.org/research/200810030024
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        • Author by kydem09 (October 20, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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          Refuting what misinformation? The misinformation about ACORN? Van Jones? Dunn's admiration of that great philosopher Mao? No, it's not about correcting misinformation, it's about controlling damaging information.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (October 20, 2009 10:24 am ET)
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            So Van Jones and ACORN is all you got and your misinterpretation of of a quote by Anita Dunn? Really? I gave you two examples where the Bush administration practiced psyops on it's own people. Armstrong Williams $240,000 paid to him, the other leading us into war that has cost lives and bankrupted the country and you point to scurilous quotes used to smear Van Jones and a few employees of a poor peoples organization caught exercising bad judgement but not actually breaking the law as equivalence...WEAK!
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            • Author by kydem09 (October 20, 2009 10:26 am ET)
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              No, you're trying to deflect from the Obama administration's attempt to control the media by pointing fingers at Bush. A common tactic by those on the left.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (October 20, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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                No you have not shown the Obama administration trying to control the media. Your examples prove nothing. While mine show actual manipulation of the media by the whitehouse.
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              • Author by bintx (October 20, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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                How is stating the obvious "controlling the media"? The the overwhelming MAJORITY of Americans, what Dunn said was already known. Most people understand that Fox is a big joke. Nothing fair, nothing balanced about it. No news, just talking points and opinion. Most recently, Fox has added character assassination to its list of goodies.

                You really need to turn off the television.
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        • Author by Flaboy (October 20, 2009 5:42 pm ET)
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          Fox is not a news channel because its not the news the white house wants the people to hear. So as the White house would say, "shut up, be quite, and dont worry about what i do, just do what i tell you to do.
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      • Author by bintx (October 20, 2009 11:17 am ET)
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        ALL administrations create their own videos.

        The WH isn't "quarantining" Fox, they just stated the obvious. Fox is NOT a news network and never has been. Murdoch admitted in January 2007 at the World Economic Forum that Fox tried to shape opinion regarding Bush's agenda in Iraq.
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    • Author by salg01 (October 20, 2009 9:08 am ET)
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      I love how all the liberals here just insult anyone who disagrees with them, same ole liberal reasoning, you dont agree with me your stupid, a bigot, a racist, a moron etc. god im so glad your all so enlightened!!!
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      • Author by congero6189599 (October 20, 2009 10:02 am ET)
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        So you have nothing to say. We got it!
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        • Author by ScienceBuff (October 20, 2009 11:08 am ET)
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          And the nothing was said with huge helpings of misspellings and poor sentence structure.
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          • Author by kydem09 (October 20, 2009 11:55 am ET)
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            When folks on here have nothing valuable to say, they try to demean posters by pointing out grammatical and spelling errors.
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            • Author by ScienceBuff (October 20, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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              Nope, I disregard it when there is a genuine discussion of facts and ideas. The post by salg01 was so utterly devoid of any such points of discussion that his poor composition simply made it that much more pathetic. Almost as pathetic as your leap to his defense. Nice try, though.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (October 20, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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                You'll notice when provided with actual Whitehouse manipulation of the press by Bush KD resorted to the usual factless statements. Now he/she is just trolling,must be bored. Really confirms he/she has nothing to say so he/she resort to insults.
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    • Author by The New Pilgrims (October 20, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
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      Well, well, well, if it isn't the poster known as kydem09. Y'know, the one who claims that he wants black quarterbacks to succeed. And then bashes the NFL for having the audacity to want black quarterbacks to succeed.

      Where kydem09 is lacking in logic, he more than compensates by excelling in propaganda and unparalleled depths of stupidity.

      To quote AC/DC: For those about to lie, WE SALUTE YOU!
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    • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 20, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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      Some of you posited the absurd position that Mrs. Dunn's quoting of Mao was no differnt than someone like Newt Gingrich quoting Mao. This is intellectually dishonest. The obvious difference between the two is that Gingrich didn't claim that Mao was his favorite philosopher. He didn't claim that Mao was his favorite dictator or leader, either.

      Just the other day I cited a quote by Hitler( "The communists are the purest of socialism"), but that is a far different thing from saying he was my favorite dictator. Mr. Gingrich or I weren't fawning over Mao or Hitler when we cited their quotes. I could also favorably cite the brilliant tactics of Hitler's General Rommel without being an advocate of National Socialism. This is not what Mrs. Dunn did(to an assembly of high schoolers no less). Mrs.(Over?) Dunn was obviously fawning over Mao and not just for his effective strategies and tactics for seizing power.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 20, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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        You, once again, look ridiculous WarfareOnWelfare. Listen to the audio. She is suggesting that Mao is who she always turns to along with Mother Theresa as ironic. Surely, any reasonable adult can understand that.

        The point is that even Mother Theresa and Mao both agree that to be truly great you have to be willing to make your own path. What is remarkable is that you come on here attempting to speak as if you are above the political fray. As if you have some deeper understanding of today's political labels and today's political prism. Yet, the high school kids actually got the ironic joke she was so clearly stating and you did not. What does that tell us about you?
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        • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 20, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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          You really did take the entire pitcher of kool-aid and turn it upside down didn't you? And maybe went back for seconds. Mao and Mrs. OverDunn share the same collectivist ideologies. Maybe she's not quite as far to the left, but a hero he remains. Don't give me this "charting your own path" defence. No one but the kool-aid drinkers are buying it. Benito and Ghengis 'charted their own path,' too, but, they want be my favorite leaders anytime soon. Save your absurd obeservations for someone as delusional as yourself.
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (October 20, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
           
        mikehuck1976 is absolutely correct that she was making the statement ironically. In addition to that, it was extremely limited in scope. Here is Dunn's statement:

        The third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers: Mao Tse-tung and Mother Theresa -- not often coupled with each other, but the two people I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point which is "you're going to make choices; you're going to challenge; you're going to say why not; you're going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before."

        So, not only was she going for irony in the pairing of Mao and Mother Teresa, she restricted the use of Mao as a philosopher to his use in making that one particular point. She wasn't seriously calling him one of her favorite philosophers AND any use at all was restricted to the one life lesson.

        These facts are as clear as could be and I'll be very surprised if you grant their reality. It wouldn't match up with the narrative as you wish it were.
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    • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 20, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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      Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton did learn well at the feet of the Machiavelian Mr. Alinsky. Isn't it obvious.
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    • Author by Flaboy (October 20, 2009 5:57 pm ET)
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      To all the obama lovers that got a kick out of replaying all of george bushes quote "read my lips, no new taxes." I want to hear the same enthusiasim after obamas quote "I will not raise taxes on anyone making under 250,000 dollars, dont run and hide after the health care bill comes out, or charge a sugar tax, cigerette tax, fat tax, gun tax, Maybe these will only be for people making over $250,000 . But all the news stations that played the "read my lips" over and over after bush raised taxes, will be silent when obama raises taxes on people under $250,000 because news stations will not be allowed to air it, except Fox, thats why people are flocking to fox, to get the news others are not allowed to air.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (October 21, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
           
        You watch Fox for news? That explains why you post BS.
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        • Author by CitizenCane (October 21, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
             
          I am so surprised, unlike your President, you didn't refer to them as Faux News. Did you know that Fox News has the most balanced audience (Liberals, Conservative, Independent) of ANY news channel? Did you know that some of your own liberal cohorts, whom appear on Fox News state how stupid people are like you for discrediting Fox News? Do you want to run our news organizations like dictators do and muzzle/silence those that disagree?
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (October 21, 2009 7:08 pm ET)
               
            Did you know that Fox News has the most balanced audience

            Correction - Fox has the most UN-balanced audience, the most paranoid audience, the most un-informed audience, the audience that most responds to eye-candy (cue bleached blond in a short dress or an endless loop of strippers or bikini beach babes).

            You should read John Dean's book. You'd like it. It's all about you.
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        • Author by Flaboy (October 21, 2009 7:24 pm ET)
             
          Any other news stations, has to be white house approved, so why waste your time
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        • Author by Flaboy (October 21, 2009 7:40 pm ET)
             
          Typical
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    • Author by CitizenCane (October 21, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
         
      What I want to know is this: what is MM trying to hide? This analysis is at best weak.

      Did Dunn NOT say Mao was one of her favorite 2 POLITICAL PHILOSOPHERS? Please, break that down for us MM and refute it. There are plenty of 'philosophers', such as John Adams for example, that followed their own path. Why not cite him? Is he not worthy of that honor?
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    • Author by The Bear (October 21, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
         
      Nice spin. Total BS. But nice spin...LOL
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