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Fox News' rhetoric echoes Ailes' long history of race-baiting

October 27, 2009 5:22 am ET — 88 Comments

Under its president, Roger Ailes, Fox News routinely employs racially charged appeals to foment opposition to the Obama administration and other progressive figures, such as Glenn Beck's comments that President Obama is a "racist" and "has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture." Before launching the Fox News Channel, Ailes worked as a media consultant for several Republican campaigns where evidence shows he similarly appealed to racial fears and biases for political gain, and as executive producer for Rush Limbaugh's television show, during which Limbaugh made several controversial statements.

Ailes' political and media history is littered with race-based appeals

As Nixon campaign consultant, Ailes reportedly looked for a "Wallaceite cab-driver" to bring up race at televised town hall meetings. As media consultant for Richard Nixon's 1968 campaign, Ailes directed televised town hall meetings in which Nixon answered questions from a supportive audience. According to Rick Pearlstein, Ailes suggested Nixon take a question from "A good, mean, Wallaceite cab-driver. Wouldn't that be great? Some guy to sit there and say, 'Awright, Mac, what about these niggers?" Pearlstein wrote, "Nixon then could abhor the uncivility of the words, while endorsing a 'moderate' version of the opinion. Ailes walked up and down a nearby taxi stand until he found a cabbie who fit the bill."

From Nixonland by Rick Pearlstein:

The panel questioners were unrehearsed. But they were also an effect of stagecraft. They were like those heterogeneous World War II-picture platoons: here a Jewish physician; there the president of an immigrant advocacy group; an outnumbered newsman or two to show the man in the arena wasn't ducking them; a surburban housewife; a businessman. In Philadelphia they hit a snag with the Jewish physician turned out to be a psychiatrist. "You should have heard Len on the phone when I told him I had one on the panel," one staffer related. "If I've ever heard a guy's voice turn white, that was it." (Garment had remembered his evening with Nixon in Elmer Bobst's Florida pool house: "anything except see a shrink.")

Ailes hit upon an idea for a substitute: "A good, mean, Wallaceite cab-driver. Wouldn't that be great? Some guy to sit there and say, 'Awright, Mac, what about these niggers?'" Nixon then could abhor the uncivility of the words, while endorsing a "moderate" version of the opinion. Ailes walked up and down a nearby taxi stand until he found a cabbie who fit the bill. [Nixonland, p. 331]

Ailes on 1988 strategy against Dukakis: "The only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it." Ailes was credited, along with Lee Atwater, with helping George H.W. Bush come from behind to beat Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis in the 1988 presidential election. Part of that winning strategy included portraying Dukakis as "soft on crime" and connecting him with convicted felon Willie Horton. Horton committed assault, armed robbery, and rape in Maryland during a weekend furlough -- a program granting temporary release to prisoners that Dukakis supported but was created under the previous governor. While the Bush campaign did not produce the Horton ad that was widely criticized as "racist," Ailes did produce the "Revolving Door" ad that similarly attacked Dukakis for the furlough program. The campaign also created "The Risk," a negative ad that referenced "a furlough escapee" who "terrorized a Maryland couple." Ailes has been quoted as saying, "The only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it."

Ailes' 1989 attacks on Dinkins for Giuliani "prey[ed] upon the fears of the Jewish community." As media consultant for Rudy Giuliani's first mayoral campaign, Ailes placed an ad in a prominent Yiddish Newspaper, The Algemeiner Journal, that featured an image of Guiliani's opponent David Dinkins -- who would become New York City's first African-American mayor -- alongside Jesse Jackson. The ad also displayed a photo of Giuliani with President George H.W. Bush, and the headline stated, ''Let the people of New York choose their own destiny" [New York Times, 9/30/1989]. Howard Kurtz reported that "Ira Silverman, vice president of the American Jewish Committee, said the Giuliani ad seemed a 'legitimate campaign tactic,' but said that he found it 'troubling' because it 'preys upon the fears of the Jewish community' " [Washington Post, 9/29/1989]. National Public Radio has further reported: "Giuliani also tagged Dinkins as a 'Jesse Jackson Democrat.' That was an appeal to the city's large contingent of Jewish voters, who had despised Jackson ever since he used an anti-Semitic epithet to describe New York City. In this context, Giuliani's signature issue of crime took on racial overtones, says political consultant Norman Adler." One of Giuliani's ads featured a New Yorker stating, "I'm tired of living in New York and being scared." From a November 4, 1989, New York Times article:

A new Giuliani television advertisement, aimed largely at wavering Democrats, features six apparently ordinary New Yorkers, who describe Mr. Dinkins as ''a follower.'' They complain, among other things, about ''the crowd'' around Mr. Dinkins, including Robert (Sonny) Carson, a former campaign functionary who later proclaimed himself to be anti-white. Another person in the commercial says, ''I'm tired of living in New York and being scared.''

Ailes produced Limbaugh's television show. Ailes served as executive producer for Limbaugh's syndicated late-night television show, which ran from 1992 to 1996. Limbaugh made several controversial statements on air, many of them documented by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, including his assertion in response to Spike Lee's recommendation that African-American children be permitted to skip school to view Malcolm X: "Spike, if you're going to do that, let's complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater and then blow it up on their way out" [Nexis transcript of Limbaugh's show on October 29, 1992]. And after Sen. Strom Thurmond -- who in 1948 ran for president on a States Rights Democratic Party (Dixiecrat) platform that advocated racial segregation -- told a gay service member during a 1993 Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on gays in the military, "Your lifestyle is not normal," and asked if he had every sought psychiatric help, Limbaugh stated of Thurmond: "He is not encumbered by trying to be politically correct. He's not encumbered by all of the -- the so-called new niceties and proprieties. He just says it, and if you want to know what America used to be -- and a lot of people wish it still were -- then you listen to Strom Thurmond." Limbaugh added, "He got a standing ovation. Now people -- people applauded that. People applaud -- because -- you know, Strom Thurmond can say it because he's 90 years old and people say, Ah, he's just an old coot. He's from the old days,' and so forth. But that's what most people think. They just don't have the guts to say it. That's why they applaud when somebody does say it that directly and that simply" [Nexis transcript of Limbaugh's show, May 11, 1993].

Fox News under Ailes routinely engages in race-baiting

Beck caps off week of race-baiting by calling Obama a "racist." During the week of July 23, Glenn Beck put forth a steady stream of race-baiting and race-based fearmongering on his television show and radio program. Beck's comments culminated in his remarks that President Obama "has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture" and "is, I believe, a racist," a statement he subsequently claimed to stand by, in spite of growing criticism.

Hannity just can't "get over" his Rev. Wright obsession. Sean Hannity -- who claimed he "broke the story" about Obama's controversial former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, during the 2008 campaign -- mentioned Wright on at least 45 different episodes of his Fox News show between Obama's inauguration and July 31. Indeed, his repeated references to Wright -- most recently in discussions about Obama and race relations in America -- have prompted his own guests to comment, "You always want to bring up Reverend Wright," and "Sean, you need to get over it."

Rev. Wright redux: Media use Jones controversy to revive Wright smear. Conservative media figures used the controversy over former White House adviser Van Jones' past statements as an excuse to again link Obama to Wright. On Fox News, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, and Charles Krauthammer all invoked Wright while discussing Jones in order to question Obama's associations.

Guest-hosting O'Reilly, Ingraham claims Obama "channeled his best Jeremiah Wright accent" in NAACP speech. While guest-hosting Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, radio host Laura Ingraham stated, "Last night President Obama spoke to the NAACP and channeled his best Jeremiah Wright accent." After airing a clip of Obama's remarks, Ingraham added, "Now, why does the first African-American feel the need to affect an accent that he clearly does not possess? Or is that the way people speak in Honolulu? It's a cheap attempt to pander to an audience that already supports him" [The O'Reilly Factor, 7/17/09].

After asking, "Do the Obamas have a race problem of their own?" Hannity continued to smear Barack and Michelle Obama. Hannity falsely asserted that Wright "honored [Louis] Farrakhan for lifetime achievement, saying, quote, 'He truly epitomized greatness.' " In fact, the managing editor of a magazine founded by the church wrote those words, not the minister. Hannity also stated that Michelle Obama "wrote in her [undergraduate] thesis that we see at Princeton, you know, the belief -- 'because of the belief that blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor.' " However, as the full context of the passage makes clear, she was discussing views that black students who attended Princeton in the 1970s may have held, not asserting her own views [Hannity's America, 3/5/08].

Ignoring Obama's statement on award, Hannity suggested that Obama "associated" himself with Farrakhan. Hannity suggested that Obama had "associated" himself with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who had received an award from a magazine founded by Obama's church. But Hannity, who described Farrakhan as "an anti-Semite racist," did not note that Obama issued a statement "condemn[ing]" Farrakhan's "anti-Semitic statements" and saying of the award: "[I]t is not a decision with which I agree" [Hannity & Colmes, 1/18/09].

Morris: McCain "doesn't have to" engage in Willie Horton-like campaign because O'Reilly is already doing so. After airing portions of a controversial sermon by Wright, Bill O'Reilly -- who described Wright's comments as "anti-American, to say the least" -- asked Dick Morris , "If you were [Sen. John] McCain, do you use this against Obama?" Morris replied, "He doesn't have to. You just did. And the talk radio people around the country" will. Morris continued: "[T]he other media, the other conservative media can make a big deal of it" [The O'Reilly Factor, 3/13/08].

Hannity smeared Gates as anti-white radical by distorting 1994 interview. Hannity repeatedly misrepresented Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s 1994 interview on C-SPAN's Booknotes to suggest that Gates had recently said he agreed with Malcolm X that the "white man was the devil" and to smear Gates as "extreme" and a "radical." In fact, in that interview, Gates was talking about events in 1959, specifically his witnessing his mother's positive reaction to a documentary they watched together about Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam [Hannity, 7/28/09].

Conservative media figures falsely suggest that Reich proposed excluding white males from stimulus package. Michelle Malkin and Hannity have falsely asserted or suggested that Robert Reich, speaking at a congressional forum, proposed that jobs created by the economic stimulus package should exclude white males. In fact, Reich has repeatedly stated that he favors a stimulus plan that "includ[es] women and minorities, and the long-term unemployed" in addition to skilled professionals and white male construction workers, not one that is solely limited to them.

O'Reilly tease: "[S]hould white Americans be concerned about Judge Sotomayor?" O'Reilly stated, "Next on the rundown: Should white Americans be concerned about Judge Sotomayor? Later, far-left Hispanic group says if you oppose the judge, you could be racist" [The O'Reilly Factor, 7/13/09].

Fox News is just asking about Sotomayor's "wise Latina" remarks: "New Racism?" During On The Record, guest-host Martha MacCallum stated, "The battle over Sonia Sotomayor's nomination intensifies tonight. Some conservatives continue to hammer Sotomayor and they are focused on this comment, which we've seen a lot this week." MacCallum then aired text of Sotomayor's comments under a headline stating, "New Racism?" [On the Record, 5/31/09].

Beck: Sotomayor "sure sounds like a racist here." Beck said Sotomayor's "wise Latina" comment "smacks of racism" and is "one of the most outrageous racist remarks I've heard." Beck later added: "I hate the charges and cries of racism. But when I hear this -- I mean, gee. She sure sounds like a racist here" [Glenn Beck, 5/26/09].

Reporting on Sotomayor, "identity politics," and "the immigration debate," Fox shows video of apparent immigrants in detention. Wendell Goler reported, "Many observers saw President Obama's election as a validation of a post-racial campaign, and they see identity politics in Sotomayor's nomination -- an appeal to Hispanic voters, many of whom turned against Republicans in the immigration debate. But [Linda] Chavez, whose group doesn't support Sotomayor, says the Hispanic community doesn't march in lock-step." As he spoke, Fox News showed footage of apparent immigrants in detention [Special Report, 5/29/09].

Tucker Carlson claimed Sotomayor made "racist statement." Fox News contributor Tucker Carlson claimed that Sotomayor had said that "because of your race or gender, you're a better or worse judge, that female Latina judges are likely to render wiser decisions than white male judges." Carlson continued, "That's a racist statement, by any calculation" [The Live Desk, 5/26/09].

Krauthammer declares Sotomayor "a believer in the racial spoils system." Krauthammer stated on Special Report that Sotomayor's dismissal of the Ricci case "tells us that she really is a believer in the racial spoils system" [Special Report, 5/26/09].

Rev. Peterson: Obama was elected "mostly by black racists and white guilty people." Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson said, "I think we all agree that Barack Obama was elected by, mostly by black racists and white guilty people" [Hannity, 2/3/09]. Peterson also asserted that Obama is "no different than" Rev. Wright and the NAACP, who he claimed "hate white Americans, and they especially hate the white man" [Glenn Beck, 6/24/09].

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    • Author by Bad News (October 27, 2009 6:44 am ET)
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      News Corp. "A Racist Enterprise"
      Roger Ailes thru Mis-information & Opinion Journalism Masquerading as News has "Fox's" ratings on the Rise.
      Mark Furman & Ollie North, A Racist & An American Traitor? At "Fox" they need no Diquise.
      "Be Hateful & Be Proud" This is the Fox News Creed & is their version of "Keep Your Eye On The Prize"

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by Bad News (October 27, 2009 8:10 am ET)
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        Bill O'Reilly, Have you Mastered the Art of the Casual Grope?
        You know, the Slight touching of a Woman's Shoulders or the Momentary Brush againt her Hips where they Slope?
        I imagine you think of yourself Mr. O'Reilly as the Michael Jordan of Sexual Harasers?
        But Andrea Mackris sees things differently, she sees a Man that is both Mean & Nasty & Woman's Oppressor.

        Speak truth to power.


        Mr. News
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        • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 8:20 am ET)
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          Fox is number one again for October. This is outrageous! O'Reilly beat Olberman on average 881,000 to 295,000 and Campbell Brown's 162,000. Progressives need to start their own protest to shut Fox down. They can call them FLEA partys - Fox Lies Everyday to Everyone. Now get going you progressive FLEAs!
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          • Author by Brabantio (October 27, 2009 8:32 am ET)
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            So your point is that O'Reilly has 881,000 viewers, therefore he didn't sexually harass anyone? Or that ratings somehow are relevant to the nature of FOX's behavior in general?

            "Fox Lies Everyday to Everyone" would spell "FLEE", by the way.
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            • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 8:47 am ET)
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              Good point Brab. How about Fox Lies to Everyone Always (FLEA). Either way would work. Progressive FLEE partys or FLEA partys.
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              • Author by bewildered (October 27, 2009 10:56 am ET)
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                Additionally, 'partys' would be 'parties'

                It's amazing what an education could do for you. I do recall Hannity on his talk radio program denouncing academia. Now I know why if all Americans got a decent education he wouldn't have an audience.
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                • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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                  Another good point, bewildered, but you might want to check the punctuation of your last sentence while you're proofreading the posts.
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          • Author by New Frontier (October 27, 2009 9:31 am ET)
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            Progressives need to start their own protest to shut Fox down.

            Shutting FOX down would be cruel. Who would those poor, 881,000 viewers turn to for their daily dose of race-baiting?
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            • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 27, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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              AS much as I HATE fox I dont think trying to shut them down is the answer. We just need to continue to expose their partisan lies ,half truths and attacks for the propaganda that they are and they will eventual be marginalized.
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              • Author by Unreality (October 27, 2009 8:20 pm ET)
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                We don't want to shut them down. It's easier to use electronic tracking devices to know where they live. In spycraft we call it a honeypot.
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                • Author by Unreality (October 27, 2009 8:41 pm ET)
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                  I'm surprised that in his paranoia Beck hasn't pointed the electronic tracking capability for his viewers. They'd be wise to change the channel and also not log into the FauxNoise website with their web browser.
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          • Author by DellDolly (October 27, 2009 11:03 am ET)
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            Please don't keep on replying to the off topic post about ratings.

            This is about FoxNews following the path Roger Ailes has already worn down with regard to race-baiting behavior.

            Please don't let the trolls stop that discussion.
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            • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
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              Ratings are important, Dolly. They show who's WINNING!
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 27, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
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                No, they show how easy it is to fool the fewer than 1% of the population that comprises their audience.
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                • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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                  What percentage do you think will be "fooled" in November, 2010?
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                  • Author by John Paradox (October 27, 2009 4:10 pm ET)
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                    1%
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                    • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 4:38 pm ET)
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                      Good one, John, but I think 1% is closer to the number of democrats who will get reelcted. Or is that what you meant?
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                      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 27, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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                        brutus,your living in a dream world if you believe that statment
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                        • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
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                          This whole thread is just to irritate Dolly, Hurricane, but I do believe that the dems will get their aces handed to them next year.

                          By the way, what kind of airplane is that?
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                          • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 27, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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                            brutus, its a HAWKER HURRICANE and i believe that it will be the REPUBLICANS that get their tails kicked next year add deservedly so.
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                            • Author by Unreality (October 27, 2009 8:25 pm ET)
                                 
                              Hurricane, as you obviously haven't grasped, brutus is trolling.

                              And no, he's not a pilot.
                              RV-7A builder
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                              • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 27, 2009 10:36 pm ET)
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                                national,I know that brutus is a troll i just thought i'd answer his question about the plane and reply to his prediction about next years elections.
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                              • Author by brutusmaximus (October 28, 2009 7:47 am ET)
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                                How do you know I'm not a pilot, Insecurity?
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              • Author by rms (October 27, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
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                Brutus, are you sure you want to go down this path? According to Fox, they are there to balance off the rest of the media, which allegedly leans to the left. CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS. All of them lefties, right?

                So by the NUMBERS, aka RATINGS, with regards to viewers of Fox as compared to the rest of the "liberal media," Fox is way behind. Far more people watch the "liberal" news each night than Fox news.

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                • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
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                  rms,
                  The ratings are for cable news networks. Fox beat CNN, HLN and MSNBC combined.
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                  • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 27, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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                    for all of FOXES "ratings" their candidates seem to have lost the last two election cycles. FOX may not be as powerful or as influential as you think.
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                    • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 5:45 pm ET)
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                      when did I say they were powerful or influential? They just report, I decide.
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                      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 27, 2009 6:17 pm ET)
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                        brutus, not quite,FOX spews propaganda,hoping you will buy their crap.
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                  • Author by rms (October 27, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
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                    That wasn't my point. My point was more people watch "liberal" news than Fox. Period.
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                  • Author by Ratu (October 29, 2009 10:10 am ET)
                       
                    Then why did Fox + Repubs lose the election??
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              • Author by Ratu (October 29, 2009 10:07 am ET)
                   
                U mean like Obama winning the last election in a landslide and Dems have been winning since 2006 while Fox and Repubs have been losing big time.
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            • Author by achrispage6992 (October 27, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
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              Please stop appointing yourself as the hall monitor/name taker. There is no "rule" about what direction discussions can and cannot take here. Interesting side bars, make for great debate and discussion. Geez! Being boring is sooooo 80's.
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              • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
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                The 80's were NOT BORING! The Great Ronald Reagan was president, and women had big hair. Two of my favorite things.
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                • Author by rms (October 27, 2009 3:49 pm ET)
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                  Ah yes, the time when Dick Cheney's observation that "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" was put into practice.
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                  • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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                    You do what you can with a democrat controlled congress. But total spending, by congress, is what matters most, not the deficit.
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                    • Author by Unreality (October 27, 2009 8:28 pm ET)
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                      That means you'll shoulder my share of the Federal Debt, correct? Including the $5.5 TRILLION added during the Dubya years.
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                • Author by skatscan5624 (October 27, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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                  And good paying jobs went the way of the wind. Good times, good times.
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                  • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
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                    What good paying jobs "went the way of the wind"? I made lots of money, starting from nothing.
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              • Author by DellDolly (October 28, 2009 2:01 am ET)
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                Derailing trolls have long been the bane of sites like this, and it's always been a good idea to try to stop them.

                Too bad that you apparently want to support them. I will take down your name, btw. Always good to know who the lurker trolls are.
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                • Author by achrispage6992 (October 28, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
                     
                  Unless you have decided to change you screen name, you are the troll. I've posted here longer than DelDolly so at least let us know what your previous name was unless of course you don't want others to know why you felt compelled to change.
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          • Author by bintx (October 27, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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            Are you SERIOUS????? You are talking about ratings which show almost NOONE in this country is watching ANY of the cable opinion prime-time programming and GLOATING over it! LOL!

            Olbermann would most likely have much, much higher ratings if he was carried on as many cable outlets as O'Reilly. MSNBC, in most markets, is carried on the extended basic plan. Fox and CNN are carried on basic in ALL markets. In order to watch MSNBC, you have to pay more for your cable/satellite provider. So, to compare Fox to any MSNBC programming is misleading.
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          • Author by westla (October 27, 2009 11:55 am ET)
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            Brutus,

            Let Fox have their ratings bonanza, and let them crush their competitors on cable news. They will have their loyal audience, marginalized by those who are interested in substance over hyperbole, and eventually when the Republican party realizes they cannot win elections with Fox'ers alone, they will be ignored and shunned as a fringe element too hot to handle. Fox's reputation will ultimately lead them to the extreme and their relevance will suffer, and it will be downhill from there.

            And DellDolly, please stop telling people who they should and should not respond to and what topics to avoid in their posts. It is really none of your business. It is annoying.
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            • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
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              Westla,

              Where do those "looking for substance over hyperbole" get their information?
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              • Author by westla (October 27, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
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                Brutus,

                I would hope not from cable news, which is essentially turning into talk radio these days. Perhaps there will be a resurgence to more substantive discussions on issues with healthy lively debate, but we will see. It doesn't appear that way right now however.
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                • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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                  What type of forum are you envisioning, Westla? Town hall meetings perhaps? TEA parties?
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 27, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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                Where do those "looking for substance over hyperbole" get their information?
                Why did I have a feeling you wouldn't know the answer to that question?
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                • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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                  Well, Easy, since nobody has answered the question maybe you can enlighten me.
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            • Author by DellDolly (October 28, 2009 2:05 am ET)
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              Thanks again for pointing out that you're a lurker troll, westla. I've thought that for a while now, based upon your posts.

              And no, I won't stop telling people to ignore troll posts and stop feeding trolls. It is my business, btw. It is the business of everyone here to not reply to troll posts, and sometimes some people need help seeing those troll posts for what they are.

              If someone doesn't need that help, my pointing out the troll post does no harm. If someone does need that help, my pointing it out does some good.

              I know that, and so do many others, and so do many trolls, and that's why there is such concern expressed by trolls when I do it.
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              • Author by brutusmaximus (October 28, 2009 7:27 am ET)
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                Please, Dolly, don't tell people to ignore me. I'm so concerned about it.

                BTW, did you watch Campbell Brown last night? Neither did anyone else.
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          • Author by achrispage6992 (October 27, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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            I think those are numbers from the "money" demographic. O'Reilly routinely gets over 3 million viewers and Olbermann gets close to 2 million at times. The broader point, as I see it, is this: Fox preaches to the choir. Their veiwership in their most successful program (O'Reilly) only gets essentially 1% of the population. The other programs don't even get that. So, its not as if they are changing any minds, unless of course you believe that other MSM outlets tend to disseminate Fox news stories. Boehlert shows that this does in fact happen, but seriously, people on a whole just don't care. The majority of the population doesn't know who Bill O'Reilly is nor do they care. The same goes with the idiots on Fox's morning show, Hannity, etc. etc.

            That being said, I think Obama did a good thing by calling them out on their illigitimacy. I would wager more people pay attention to the President than they do Bill O'Reilly (although O'Reilly in his narcissitic meanderings wants his viewers to believe otherwise), so what the President did was to bring Fox's contemptable behavior to the attention of the guy and girl who watch CSI or Dancing with the Stars instead of national/political news. My guess is, and I have absolutely no way of verifying this, that since Obama's administration and Obama himself has addressed this issue, public perception towards Fox news has soured. I would be highly interested in some emperical evidence to support or invalidate this notion.

            On a side note, I really wish Boehlert's piece with 30 reasons about Fox and conservatism, could make it to the mainstream media. To me, his piece presents incontravertible evidence about Fox's agenda. Hopefully his piece will get picked up spread to the folks who would rather watch crime shows than inform themselves. Put it in "People" and "US" magazine. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
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            • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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              achrispage,

              Obumble's objective was not to "bring Fox's contemptable behavior to the attention" of anyone. It was simply to distract attention from his inept handling of healthcare, the economy, Afghanistan, spending, communist czrs, etc.
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              • Author by achrispage6992 (October 28, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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                Oh,I forgot you spend time in the Oval Office each morning, therefore you are privy to the "real" reasons behind Obama's actions.

                Instead of guessing about crap and making unsubstantiated assertions, perhaps you would like to address one single example Boehlert gave? You simply can't, but I don't expect any less from people like you. When faced with cold hard facts, you pretend they aren't there as if pretending something doesn't exist makes it so.

                What's right is right and wrong is wrong sir. I don't give a crap about Fox being a conservative news organization. I do care that they continue to lie about bein fair and balanced. It just isn't true. The evidence is for all to see and you have yet to give one shred to support a belief that it is "fair and balanced." That being the case, what the h#ll is your purpose in discussing this matter?
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              • Author by achrispage6992 (October 28, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
                   
                Oh,I forgot you spend time in the Oval Office each morning, therefore you are privy to the "real" reasons behind Obama's actions.

                Instead of guessing about crap and making unsubstantiated assertions, perhaps you would like to address one single example Boehlert gave? You simply can't, but I don't expect any less from people like you. When faced with cold hard facts, you pretend they aren't there as if pretending something doesn't exist makes it so.

                What's right is right and wrong is wrong sir. I don't give a crap about Fox being a conservative news organization. I do care that they continue to lie about bein fair and balanced. It just isn't true. The evidence is for all to see and you have yet to give one shred to support a belief that it is "fair and balanced." That being the case, what the h#ll is your purpose in discussing this matter?
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            • Author by Cinque (October 27, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
                 
              When a conservative administration comes after MSNBC where will you stand?
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          • Author by talkinhedz (October 27, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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            Why does the Left want to protest and shut down Fox? Is that the Lefts definition of Freedom of Speech? I post on HP and I find the same narrow minded attitude there. I go back to HP because I also find people who I disagree with but we are able to have a civil disagreement and discussion. I hope to find similar minds here.
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          • Author by Ratu (October 29, 2009 10:02 am ET)
               
            Guess who won the election???

            You need to ask with those ratings how come Fox + Repubs lost the election in a landslide??? No we dont have to organise anything, it is you lot that need Tea Parties and protests and hope you don't another one in a landslide.
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    • Author by chrisgodawgs (October 27, 2009 8:46 am ET)
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      Hey Media Matters readers, I have a quick easy way to make some Christmas money for all of you. One wingnut blog is offering $1,000 to anyone who can present just one lie from Fox News. I'd like us to flood his blog with examples, and I know he will weasel out of paying, but this should be fish in a barrel. The link is [[url=http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/10/my-1000-dollar-fox-news-lies-challenge.html

      Spread the word!
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    • Author by DellDolly (October 27, 2009 11:10 am ET)
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      I always forget that Roger Ailes had such behavior in his background. Thanks for reminding us.

      I've known that there has been a long pathway that has gotten us where we are today, and much of it was planned by people like Grover Norquist and others. At its beginnings we saw things like the myth of liberal media bias. Rush Limbaugh began 21 years ago. But I had not linked in my head the biases of Ailes with FoxNews.

      It seems clear that he was a perfect choice to lead this network, if behaving badly was their purpose. He seems well-suited to lead them to their mission statement - to distort, mislead and omit information to benefit the right side of the aisle.

      It is the owners and the executives who lead and direct businesses like this. That's why the personal political preferences of any individual reporter or journalist doesn't matter near as much as the politics of editors or publishers or people like Roger Ailes.
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      • Author by Unreality (October 27, 2009 8:39 pm ET)
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        Ailes pitched Murdoch on making FauxNoise a political channel for two reasons:

        First, Ailes wanted to appeal to Murdoch's ego to be a thorn in the side of other media owners. Murdoch's bio demonstrates he is more concerned with money than journalism, but he is more concerned with ego than money.

        Second, Ailes knew that if he pitched FauxNoise as a pure journalistic business, it would fold in less than two years. FauxNoise lost over $100 million each year for 5 years - half a billion dollars in losses. But Ailes positioned FauxNoise to enable Murdoch to obtain political access with value far in excess of those losses. Murdoch benefitted from having media ownership limitations eliminated, and he repaid the favor with lots of TV time for pet Republican memes.

        Amorality can go a long way in politics and business.

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      • Author by DellDolly (October 28, 2009 2:11 am ET)
           
        How many posts ended up here about the topic of discussion?

        And how many ended up being about ratings, which have nothing whatsoever do to with Ailes being a long-term race-baiter?

        It's clear that there was a plan here to derail the thread. Someone sent trolls here to stop this post from getting the attention it deserved. They wanted to confuse people with the comments here, rather than focusing attention.

        It's the same junk that FoxNews does, and it's the same stuff that the White House objects to, and it's the same nonsense that we need to remove from credible media sources in the public marketplace.

        It is not simply a coincidence that trolls try to distract us on this site while FoxNews tries to distract us in the news arena.
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        • Author by brutusmaximus (October 28, 2009 7:41 am ET)
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          Comrade Dolly is correct. I was sent by CHAOS (Conservative HAters Of Socialists) to derail this explosive expose by MMFA. This important, damaging information must be stopped!
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    • Author by draftedin68 (October 27, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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      Dark targets...

      Roger Ailes' tactics differ from other mass bigots in history only by the level of subtleness used to spread his hateful messages.

      The messages are cloaked in imagery, accompanied by stirring sounds, but they are still hateful, divisive and bigoted.

      Worst of all, Ailes and his ilk, like other monsters in history, rely on the human animal's instinct of apprehension at those not of their kind.

      If you searched through all of FOX NEWS' top shows for the past year, you'd be hard pressed to find those that did not include a dark-skinned person portrayed negatively.
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      • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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        "...messages cloaked in imagery, accompanied by stirring sounds...monsters in history, rely on the human animal's instinct of apprehension..."???

        It's not your fault, Drafted, Agent Orange was not a brain-friendly chemical.
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        • Author by draftedin68 (October 27, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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          Cranial Rectumitus,

          Which is it - I used words that you don't understand or words that describe concepts beyond your comprehension?

          I guess I shouldn't be surprised by your attempted humor involving Agent Orange; the Ailes you've been chugging must also contain similar DNA-fuhhking compounds.



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          • Author by brutusmaximus (October 27, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
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            Attempted humor? That hurt.

            I don't know anything about "DNA-fuhhking" compounds, but mix a little LSD with that Agent Orange and you get rants like "The messages are cloaked in imagery, accompanied by stirring sounds...", "mass bigots", monsters and animals, oh my.
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            • Author by Boxer1979 (October 27, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
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              Nice of you to welcome yourself to media matters if you never been on here. We are proud to do battle with the Fox Snooze believers. By the way the thumbs down you recieve is our way of saying WELCOME!
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            • Author by John Paradox (October 27, 2009 7:18 pm ET)
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              "The messages are cloaked in imagery, accompanied by stirring sounds...", "mass bigots", monsters and animals, oh my

              Sounds like a typical Glenn Beck episode.
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    • Author by Zo44 (October 27, 2009 5:13 pm ET)
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      Quit crying about Fox!

      Does anyone have an answer to Obama's loss of approval in the polls?

      He's on track to be a one term president and is losing his political power by the day. Does anyone have an answer to that?

      What has he done? What has he accomplished?
      And people on this website are worried about Fox!? Really!?
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      • Author by brutusmaximus (October 28, 2009 10:59 am ET)
           
        That's Obama's objective, Zo - distract the looney-left from his complete lack of accomplishments.
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      • Author by barscotch9441 (October 28, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
           
        This website exists specifically to, for lack of a more sophisticated term, worry about Fox. Why don't you go to hotmail.com and cry about the fact that you get e-mails? It would be just as sensical.
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    • Author by barscotch9441 (October 28, 2009 12:03 am ET)
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      I just love seeing people like Brutus Maximus (or perhaps Podex Perfectus would be better) fight tooth and nail to try and boost the perceived legitimacy of Fox and the like. The more you resort to insulting your opponents (like Rush) and the more you try to convince us that ratings mean quality or honesty (like Fox), the more you look like a desparate, cornered animal that will strike out at a predator twice its size and strength despite the knowledge that it is about to die (Rush's TV show).

      People get mad when cons start throwing the insults around and try to sound superior like Hannity. I just sit back and watch, waiting for the surgeons to say, "time of death...2012 election" or whenever it happens to come.
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    • Author by supertim (October 28, 2009 12:58 am ET)
         
      roger ailes will eventually have a deathbed conversion like lee atwater did, i cant believe that his track record of hatred extends so far back into the american politcal lexicon, sad but true
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    • Author by oldmaninblackforest (October 28, 2009 9:02 am ET)
         
      So let me get this right. the BLACK Rev. Peterson SAID: Obama was elected "mostly by black racists and white guilty people." Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson said, "I think we all agree that Barack Obama was elected by, mostly by black racists and white guilty people" [Hannity, 2/3/09]. Peterson also asserted that Obama is "no different than" Rev. Wright and the NAACP, who he claimed "hate white Americans, and they especially hate the white man" so he's a racist...

      First you have NO CLUE what race Judge Sotomayor is.
      Second Wright is CLEARLY a RACIST
      third Senator Byrd was a card carrying member of the KKK -racist
      four Al Gore Sr. voted AGAINST the civil rights act

      kool-aid
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      • Author by pilotx (October 28, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
           
        Exactly the point. Jesse Lee Peterson is a freind of both Glen Beck and Sean Hannity and is a guest on their shows frequently. That should show you where Fox stands. I agree he is a racist but I disagree that Rev. Wright is a racist. Rev. Wright was the pastor of a popular mainstream church here in Chicago while Jesse Lee Peterson runs an organization out of a streetfront store in LA.
        BTW Sean Hannity is a boardmember in Peterson's organization. So does that make Hannity complicit in a racist organization? How about Beck and that Cunningham dude in Cincinnati? Please don't lump Rev. Wright in the same crowd with Peterson. Rev. Wright has done much good in Chicago and worldwide, i.e. his fight against AIDS and college scholarships but what has Peterson done?
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        • Author by oldmaninblackforest (October 28, 2009 4:01 pm ET)
             
          Wright has done nothing good for anyone, especially chicago... wright is an America hater and his sermons prove that. Patterson, regardless of who he associates with, a racist? I guess you and I differ on the term racist...

          So let me understand this, Patterson, a black man, is a racist that doesn't like what? wright on the other hand certainly never professes love and understanding for the white man... RACIST plain and simple... you left-wingers wanna have it both ways
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          • Author by pilotx (October 28, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
               
            First have you ever been to Rev. Wright's church? If you haven't your opinion is not fact based. I have personally worked with his church to help students attend my summer aviation camp. His church has raised millions of dollars in scholarship money for poor students. He has also worked to raise money and awareness about the AIDS crisis. Those are real and concrete examples of the good the Rev. Wright has done, and he has never taught anyone to hate anyone.
            So help me understand your point, what is your problem with my view of Jesse Lee Peterson? And what does the color of his skin have to do with anything. Do a google search of him and you will see his comments and why I have a problem with him.
            I have heard nothing Rev. Wright has said that is racist in the least but Peterson? Hoo boy. If you don't see the difference between the two I don't know what to tell you.
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            • Author by pilotx (October 28, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
                 
              The Rev. Wright also established a food bank for poor people, adult education courses such as literacy, drug and alcohol abuse programs and job assistance to name just a few things the Rev. has done here in Chicago and abroad. To learn more go to the church website. Trinity Church of Christ.
              He was also a U.S. Marine so that's a funny thing for an America hater to do.
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    • Author by pilotx (October 28, 2009 1:34 pm ET)
         
      Fox is guilty of throwing red meat to its audience without any substance or thought to complex issues. For example, Hannity accusing Prof. Gates of being a racist for telling the story of how his mother agreed with Malcolm X. in 1959. Well, in the 50's and 60's most Black people agreed with brother Malcolm because he spoke against a vile form of racism that killed many of those who spoke out against it. Hannity refuses to put things into context as do many conservative commentators. This is the same type of nonsense that went on when Dr. King was accused of being a Communist. Any sort of thought about these topics would lead to different conclusions but these guys try to put historic events in a modern context which doesn't work. This is the problem of looking at issues as either A or B instead of thinking about the numerous choice in between.
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