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Commentators again tout poll results to make flawed claim that America is a "conservative" country

October 27, 2009 5:08 pm ET — 27 Comments

Several conservative commentators have touted a Gallup poll finding that 20 percent of respondents identify themselves as "liberal," 36 percent as "moderate" and 40 percent as "conservative" to criticize President Obama and his agenda and to claim America is ideologically a "conservative" country. But political scientists dispute the reliability of voters' identification with political ideologies, and other polling has found that a strong majority favors the more progressive position on a number of issues.

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Media conservatives claim Gallup poll shows America is "center-right"

Brit Hume: United States "is clearly center right. The president, though, is thought to enact an agenda which is clearly left of center." On the October 26 edition of Fox News' Special Report, Hume said: "If you're wondering why President Obama and his party are finding health care reform and much of the rest of his agenda such heavy lifting, look no farther than a Gallup poll out today. It finds 40 percent of Americans call themselves conservatives, 36 percent said they're moderate, and only 20 percent said they are liberal. That's no doubt why liberals today prefer to call themselves progressives. The findings are of a piece with a poll taken on Election Day last year in which people were asked to rate themselves on a scale of one to nine, with one being far left, nine being far right. It averaged out to 5.88, the answers did, which is clearly center-right. The president, though, has sought to enact an agenda which is clearly left of center." [10/26/09]

RedState.com's Erickson cites Gallup to claim, "When the GOP paints a clearly distinct picture of ideas and issues from the Democrats, they win." In an October 26 blog post RedState.com managing editor Erick Erickson quoted from Gallup's website and said:

I hope the RNC, GOP, NRSC, NRCC, etc. are paying attention to this.

As I have noted repeatedly, data from the 2008 exit polling showed that more people considered themselves "conservative" than "liberal." This new Gallup poll is in accord with that.

This goes straight to NY-23, where both the DCCC and NRCC are attacking Doug Hoffman, the conservative candidate. Apparently, unlike the NRCC, the DCCC sees a path to victory for Doug Hoffman.

When the GOP paints a clearly distinct picture of ideas and issues from the Democrats, they win. Voters do not want to vote for Democrat-lite when they get have the real thing. The GOP should offer competing ideas, not just repacked Democrat ideas that have lower price tags. [10/26/09]

NRO's Lopez cites Gallup to claim United States is a "conservative nation." National Review Online's (NRO) Kathryn Jean Lopez quoted from Gallup in a post on NRO's The Corner blog titled "Conservative Nation." Later, NRO editor-at-large Jonah Goldberg wrote of the Gallup poll: "I do think one plausible theory as to why the Democratic party is having some of its problems these days is that they misread their pre-election unity. I think this is understandable. Lots of polls suggested that America was becoming more liberal under Bush (at least on a bunch of issues). The differences between centrist and left-wing Democrats seemed trivial. Barack Obama won handily without ever tacking back to the center in the general election. In short, those eager to find evidence that the country was poised to lurch leftward had lots to go on." Goldberg later added: "I don't think they're doomed or anything like that. But, they've managed to rebrand themselves as a very liberal party again, and that's a problem when 80% of Americans don't describe themselves as liberals." [10/26/09]

Political scientists dispute reliability of voters' identification with political ideologies

Political scientists Erikson & Tedin dispute effectiveness of asking about political ideologies. As Media Matters for America has documented, in the 2005 edition of American Public Opinion, Robert S. Erikson and Kent L. Tedin, political science professors at Columbia University and the University of Houston, respectively, questioned the reliability of poll questions that ask voters to self-identify with a political ideology. Noting that "a standard poll question is to ask respondents their ideological identification, usually with three choices of liberal, moderate, and conservative," Erikson and Tedin wrote:

Ideally, ideological classification is a convenient way to measure individuals' core political values and to summarize their political views on a variety of issues. In practice, the result is mixed. The most politically sophisticated segment of the public approximates the ideal. For them, ideological identification goes a long way toward describing their political convictions. But when less sophisticated people respond to the ideological identification question with a response of liberal, moderate, or conservative, we can be less sure of what the response means. At worst, the response represents some idiosyncratic meaning known only to the respondent, or perhaps a doorstop opinion made up on the spot. [Page 67]

After listing traditionally conservative and liberal views, Erikson and Tedin continued: "These kinds of relative distinctions are familiar to people who follow politics closely. But the language of ideology holds less meaning for the public as a whole. One test is whether the individual can both identify the Republican as the more conservative party and offer a plausible definition of the term conservative. Roughly half the public passes this test of understanding of ideological labels" [Page 68].

Political scientists Ellis & Stimson: 34 percent "of self-identified conservatives rejects operationally conservative beliefs" in both "social welfare" and "moral issues" areas. In a working paper titled "Pathways to Ideology in American Politics," political scientist Christopher Ellis and James Stimson studied the positions self-identified liberals and conservatives take in areas dealing with "social welfare" and "moral issues." They defined "social welfare" to include "traditional 'New-Deal' spending and redistribution issues along with issues of race and civil rights." They defined "moral issues" to include "preferences for and against abortion, gays in the military, and the rights of gays to adopt children." The found that 34 percent of conservatives took the liberal position in both the social welfare and moral issues area, while only 4 percent of liberals did not hold liberal views in either area:

Only about one in five self-identified conservatives holds consistently conservative issue positions: right of center positions on both dimensions. Put another way, almost 80% of professed conservatives are not conservative on at least one of these dimensions. A larger group (30%) of conservatives is operationally conservative only on the narrow set of issues related to traditional morality, not the broader social welfare dimension. The "economic conservatives," conservative on social welfare issues alone, are not very numerous (15%). But the largest group (34%) of self-identified conservatives rejects operationally conservative beliefs on both the social welfare and the moral issue domains. This stands in contrast to the less than 4% of self-identified liberals who hold no liberal issue views. [emphasis in original] [Ellis & Stimson working paper]

Polling on a variety of issues shows that public holds progressive positions

Media Matters, Campaign for America's Future study shows public holding progressive positions on a variety of issues. In a study produced by Media Matters and Campaign for America's Future found that, based on several polls: "Polling data regarding a wide range of issues, including the role of big business, health care reform, gay marriage, stimulus spending, international trade, and Social Security, indicate that Americans are increasingly receptive to and comfortable with a progressive agenda."

Polling has found that public option has widespread support. Media Matters has also documented that polling consistently shows broad support for inclusion of a public option in health care reform legislation.

Transcript

From the October 26 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Bret Baier:

 

BRET BAIER (host): Senior political analyst Brit Hume is here tonight with some insights into why perhaps the reform debate has been so difficult. Good evening Brit.

HUME: Hi, Bret. If you're wondering why President Obama and his party are finding health care reform and much of the rest of his agenda such heavy lifting, look no farther than a Gallup poll out today. It finds 40 percent of Americans call themselves conservatives, 36 percent said they're moderate, and only 20 percent said they are liberal. That's no doubt why liberals today prefer to call themselves progressives.

The findings are of a piece with a poll taken on Election Day last year in which people were asked to rate themselves on a scale of one to nine, with one being far left, nine being far right. It averaged out to 5.88, the answers did, which is clearly center-right. The president, though, has sought to enact an agenda which is clearly left of center.

That same Election Day poll also asked people their top priority issue: 44 percent said the economy. Only 5 percent, as you can see, said health care reform. Even after all the talk about it, health care still ranks far below the economy in current polling. After accepting what millions saw as a bloated stimulus bill to revive the economy, the president has spent much more time and effort on health care reform, even as the unemployment rate has climbed far past what his advisers said it would be.

Making great big changes on an issue as big as health care was never going to be easy, but especially not with a left-of-center program for a right-of-center country -- a country focused on an entirely different issue.

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (October 27, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
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      I KNEW we should appoint our leaders based on opinion polls like this one!

      Or,

      Something must've changed, because on Nov 2nd, the results of this poll were held untrue.
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    • Author by mk3872 (October 27, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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      Actually, doesn't that poll actually pretty clearly mean that 60% of the country does NOT identify themselves as conservative??
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      • Author by pointofview (October 27, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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        Yes, and it also says that 73% say that are NOT liberal.
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        • Author by wzwriter (October 27, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
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          And like so many other indicators, it shows that POV is an idiot.
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        • Author by pete592 (October 27, 2009 6:05 pm ET)
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          I think your side could have used a little more of that 73% last November.
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          • Author by pointofview (October 27, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
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            We could have yes, but our side gains strength with each day Obama is in office. It also looks like he is going to send more troops to Afghanistan, but not the full amount requested. That helps him how? All it does is insure that liberals will be mad because he sent any, and at the same time he gets to look weak to the conservatives and independents because he is not sending enough troops to get the job done.

            2012 looks brighter with each passing day.
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            • Author by Disputed Zone (October 27, 2009 7:24 pm ET)
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              I wouldn't count on 2012. I don't think the Republicans will be finished taking back their party from the lunatic fringe by then.
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            • Author by pete592 (October 27, 2009 7:29 pm ET)
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              What is "the job" in Afghanistan? What will render the job "done?" And how many more American lives are worth it? You really think it's a country that can be wholly pacified? (Maybe we should ask the Russians and the British.)
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            • Author by peace4all (October 27, 2009 7:51 pm ET)
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              my god your a dope, if obama is sending less than asked for that means he looked at the plan and then with his advisors came up with what they believed to be something workable. it it turns out more troops are needed then that can be addressed at a later time. better to put as few troops in harms way instaed of to many. it's easier to get troops in country than it is to get them out. so if we send everything being asked for and it turns out we did not need that many then it can be almost impposible to get them back out because the people from wingnuttia will complain that we are "gunna cut n run" so now were stuck with those troop levels until the end of the conflict. and i gotta tell ya, in afganistan they may be there forever. the fewer the troops the lower the casulties. so, no, as a liberal i don't see him as being weak for sending troops. i know his decision is reasoned and prudent. i was against both wars and still am. but i also know that after George "john wayne" Bush decided he could be a big man by starting two wars and then couldn't win them that Obama was not going to be able to pull our troops out right away. now that we've destroyed these countries, we have a responiblity to make sure they can put their lives back together. because unlike you nutjobs, liberals don't see the people in Iraq and Afganistan as pawns for world conquest. most liberals see them as people just like us, trying to get along in a world full of madmen. so, if you see him as weak for not sending all the troops asked for then that just shows that you are unable to complete a complex thought process. otherwise you would understand that these are very complex issues that require difficult decisions. i know your heros tell you that Obama wants to destroy america, but have you ever asked why? he lives here too, and he wants the country to be successful and prosperous because he has daughters that live here and will raise their families here. so, yeah, Obama gets the benifit of the doubt from me. you guys made this mess, don't complaign when we clean up the wreakage.
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            • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 28, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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              pov, dream on, fool.
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        • Author by mk3872 (October 27, 2009 8:45 pm ET)
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          Great! So you agree that Fox News is wrong. That's a start ...
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    • Author by clams casino (October 27, 2009 5:50 pm ET)
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      Hume: "That's no doubt why liberals today prefer to call themselves progressives."

      Er...what? I really don't grasp his logic here. 20% of those polled identified themselves as liberal, therefore liberals prefer to be called progressives? It's like he's just scrambling to insert some comment* that sounds vaguely negative, regardless if it makes any sense or not.

      *Imagine that. One of Fox's alleged "news" programs inserting snide commentary into their "straight news" reports.
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      • Author by DellDolly (October 27, 2009 6:50 pm ET)
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        Well, his side made "liberal" a dirty word.

        And this meme must have been on the talking points fax this morning, because some other poster brought it up on another thread and I shot it down hours ago.
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        • Author by pointofview (October 27, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
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          wow....you shot it down. How important you are lol.
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          • Author by DellDolly (October 28, 2009 1:34 am ET)
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            And how unimportant that apparently makes YOU feel.

            My point was that it must have been among the talking points faxed out this morning, since I had read it earlier today. When it was brought up, I shot it down. It was easy. It didn't require any stunning skills or remarkable talent. It doesn't make me 'important'.

            But clearly it frustrates you and makes you feel impotent enough that you felt the need to lash out at me.

            LOL
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (October 28, 2009 4:23 am ET)
           
        Er...what? I really don't grasp his logic here. 20% of those polled identified themselves as liberal, therefore liberals prefer to be called progressives?

        Even worse for Hume's point, what if the question had substituted "progressive" for "liberal"? The numbers would-- according to his implication--be much higher. Which would contradict his whole point.
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    • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 27, 2009 6:52 pm ET)
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      If these poll numbers were true, you would think that the Republicans could have one more than one of the last five presidential elections.
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      • Author by pointofview (October 27, 2009 6:56 pm ET)
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        I would love to see you explain that comment.
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        • Author by skatscan5624 (October 28, 2009 9:14 am ET)
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          1992-Republicans lost the presidential race

          1996-Republicans lost the presidential race.

          2000-Republicans lost the presidential race-Stole the White House aanyway.

          2004-Republicans won (barely) at a time of war.

          2008-Republicans lost by large margin.

          Is that too tough for you to figure out?

          4 out of 5.

          1988 is soooo long ago.
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          • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 28, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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            Thanks, skatscan. I thought it was pretty obvious, but I guess just about anything can go over the head of ol' pointless.

            Or maybe he was referring to my blunder in typing "one" instead of "won." Hey, I never claimed infallibility.
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      • Author by New Frontier (October 27, 2009 7:41 pm ET)
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        You're correct. George W. Bush in '04 was the only Republican Presidential candidate since 1988 to win the popular vote in our "conservative" country.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (October 27, 2009 11:05 pm ET)
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          I think it's nice that slow-witted conservatives have a place they can go to have things explained to them.
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    • Author by alienofwar (October 27, 2009 7:05 pm ET)
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      The current modern conservative movement is too radical in many regards concerning economics, the environment, health care and government policy. They think just because the majority of people call themselves Conservative, it must mean they support all the radical ideas that are spewed on a daily basis from the likes of Fox "News" and Talk radio. This is farthest from the truth. Maybe 30% of the population supports these radical ideas, but the rest support moderate and liberal policies. I would definitely say we live in a center-left country.
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      • Author by skatscan5624 (October 28, 2009 9:16 am ET)
           
        Was the poll for lower cased conservative or upper case Conservative?
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    • Author by SLRTX (October 27, 2009 7:39 pm ET)
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      Progressive? Liberal? Moderate? Conservative?

      Call me what you want. Just count me in the category of "sane".

      That is, I am NOT part of the 41% of Americans who "believe" global warming is exaggerated, and 53% who want "traditional values." Just what the heck is a "traditional value?" Anyone really know what that even means?

      The dumbification of America continues unabated.
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    • Author by Ruby (October 27, 2009 8:05 pm ET)
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      These kinds of polls mean nothing.

      For one thing, there are a great deal of people (myself included) who don't think about our personal political opinions in such a limited way. Asking people how they feel about the issues is a much better way to determine on which side of the spectrum they tend to fall, instead of just asking them to simply label themselves.

      Furthermore, it is true (and highly unfortunate) that the right has done a pretty decent job of turning "liberal" into a dirty word. People who don't follow politics particularly closely might prefer the label "conservative" simply because they're afraid of the label "liberal", and are unaware that their views are more on the progressive side.
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    • Author by twv1948 (October 28, 2009 9:57 am ET)
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      The problem is that conservatism has been hijacked by the extreme right who have no idea what true conservatism is. What I believe we truly have in this country is 20% "liberal", 20% "conservative" and 60% moderate. The moderates will lean Conservative on some issues and Liberal on others. All moderates will not agree on any issue. Moderates essentially get ignored while the rabid screamers get the attention. If you find yourself agreeing with some commentator or politician on every issue, you need to widen you view and figure out what you are not learning.
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