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Conservative candidates stump on Fox during lead-up to elections

November 02, 2009 9:33 pm ET — 100 Comments

In the two weeks leading up to their November 3 elections, Conservative Party congressional candidate Doug Hoffman, New Jersey Republican gubernatorial candidate Chris Christie, and Virginia Republican gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell appeared on Fox News and its personalities' radio shows at least 16 times for live interviews lasting a total of 114 minutes 36 seconds.

Christie: At least five appearances, almost 37 minutes on Fox News and its personalities' radio shows

Christie on Fox News. Christie appeared on the October 26 edition of Hannity, the October 27 edition of Fox & Friends, and the November 2 edition of Your World with Neil Cavuto, for a total of 18 minutes 47 seconds.

Christie on radio. Christie appeared on the October 27 and November 2 editions of Fox News host Sean Hannity's radio show for a total of 18 minutes 6 seconds.

McDonnell: At least three appearances, 18 minutes on Fox News and its personalities' radio shows

McDonnell on Fox News. McDonnell appeared on the October 22 edition of Your World and the October 30 edition of Hannity for a total of 10 minutes 24 seconds.

McDonnell on radio. McDonnell appeared on the October 27 edition of Fox News contributor Laura Ingraham's radio show for 7 minutes 46 seconds.

Hoffman: At least seven appearances, almost 60 minutes on Fox News and its personalities' radio shows

Hoffman on Fox News. Hoffman appeared on the October 23 edition of Your World, the October 26 edition of Glenn Beck, and the November 2 edition of Hannity for a total of 16 minutes 54 seconds.

Hoffman on radio. Hoffmann appeared on the October 26 and November 2 editions of Hannity's radio show and the October 21 and November 2 editions of Glenn Beck's radio show for a total of 42 minutes 39 seconds.

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    • Author by my4cents (November 02, 2009 10:37 pm ET)
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      I am beginning to lose my respect for Shep Smith. Today, his show covered NY23, NJ and VA elections.
      He did not find it odd that in all three cases, all the video showed was 'Vote for Hoffman, Christie and whoever the elephant is in VA'.
      I heard somewhere that VA always elects a Governor that is not of President's party. No one on his show or the liberal MSM waned to give that fact any coverage. Instead, it is all about referendum on Obama and his policies.
      When will we have a responsible media?
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      • Author by DellDolly (November 02, 2009 11:16 pm ET)
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        I heard all afternoon long on MSNBC that the Governor's job in VA almost always goes to the opposition party.

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        • Author by ReasonAndResolve (November 02, 2009 11:31 pm ET)
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          Yup, Matthews, Shultz, Olbermann, and Maddow all mentioned it. It is a pity that other media heads haven't seen fit to tell everyone.
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          • Author by salg01 (November 03, 2009 10:38 am ET)
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            ive heard that said on fox many times. makes me wonder if any of you guys actually watch fox or if you just believe everything you see on this site
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            • Author by gs-425 (November 03, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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              my guess is the later
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            • Author by progressive tribalist (November 03, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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              Watching Fox is like voting Republican, friends just don't let friends do it. It's bad for your health.
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 03, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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              I watch Fox pretty often. If I got my impression of them from this site only, I might believe these are isolated incidents shown at this site.

              By watching the station, I've confirmed for myself that Fox is a full-time Republican propaganda machine.

              I do believe most of what I see at this site, as it's mostly well-documented and factual. That is, I believe the stuff exists, not the BS presented by right wing media.

              Is there material here that you think should not be believed? For example? Because there's a whole lot of stuff on Fox that only a fool would believe.
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              • Author by EZ4you2say (November 03, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
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                Fox has 10 times more opposing opinions on it, i.e. Democrats/Liberals, than MSNBC has conservatives. People here probably think they are not liberal enough, but they are still on. Every time I watch Hannity or O'Reilly (Opinion shows), I always see someone from the other side on. When I watch Maddow or Oberlmann(opinion shows), I rarely, if ever see an opposing viewpoint. So for you to say that Fox is strictly a Right-wing propaganda machine is totally disingenuous.
                I'm not a Fox shill. I listen to/watch both sides. For all the hate you say is on the right, you all need to look in the mirror.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (November 03, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
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                  Fox has 10 times more opposing opinions on it,

                  So you're saying you prefer two partisan hacks yelling over one another? Or Hannity/Billo cutting someone's microphone when they back them into a corner?

                  I prefer Olbermann/Maddow where they often have other JOURNALISTS discuss the topics of the day. You know, the people that actually do the REPORTING.

                  No wonder Fox News viewers are grossly misinformed. They can't even realize they are being misinformed in the first place.
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                  • Author by Tbone Slickens (November 03, 2009 10:25 pm ET)
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                    JOURNALISTS...Yeah...

                    You mean Fellow Travelers like ol' Mika...

                    Mika admits Journalists left wing

                    Just like this here Echo Chamber...

                    BTW...doesn't look good for Barry tonight. He even lost Ed Schultz...for the night at least. Barry better listen to the people. Will he listen or will he continue to be led around by the nose by his handlers and the fringe left?
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                  • Author by Zel (November 03, 2009 11:27 pm ET)
                       
                    Actually, it is you & most liberals who are grossly lacking knowledge. Go check out www.howobamagotelected.com and check out the "Polling Research." You'll see that it's the Democrats / Liberals who are the most UNinformed - they don't watch FOX News nor listen to Talk Radio ... not one of those John Ziegler interviewed could even tell him which party was controlling Congress or even who Nancy Pelosi was. The Dems/Libs were despicably under-informed, under-educated and even when confronted with an aversion to a remark they later found was made by Obama, denied reality, went with their bias, and said they'd vote for him anyway. Really now, that just defies rational logic. Most of you here probably don't realize just how drastic turning our country into a virtual government-run entity is in the limiting of your freedoms and liberty. Socialism NEVER works. It is idealism and naivete on your parts and an unadulterated power grab on the part of those at Obama, Inc. + ilk.
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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 04, 2009 4:10 am ET)
                     
                  EZ, the "liberals" on Fox are like that team that plays the Harlem Globetrotters, they're there to create the illusion of balance.

                  If you look at both sides, and don't see Fox as a GOP propaganda outlet, I guess you're entitled to that opinion. Accusing me of being disingenuous for thinking otherwise is your opinion too.

                  I realize your "10 times more opposing opinions" is just another made-up right wing statistic, but can you find any examples of misinformation on the MSNBC shows that compare to the well-documented bias of Fox ?

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    • Author by bluestate69 (November 03, 2009 6:41 am ET)
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      fox news is a political arm of the republican party. no doubt about it. with the tea parties and their new found media influence, they have been successful in casting doubt over obama. democrats and obama need to wake up before it's too late. they must fight charges waged against them. you can call the right wing "astroturf" and "wacky", but you might also want to call them "effective". given the 24 hr news cycle's influence, we must rethink media strategy. that might mean running political ads throughout the year, and having a press secretary that gets his president's message into the media. you might think i'm crazy, but i believe this is necessary. the republican campaign didn't stop after they lost, it just got started. obama needs to stay in campaign mode. he is all to comfortable in being passive. we can't afford that. we will lose too much. obama and democrats, please wake up!!!!
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      • Author by salg01 (November 03, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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        It doesn't matter what fox news says people. What do they have 3 million viewers out of 150 million voters. All the people have to do is see the huge list of broken promises, the lack of jobs, his fear of doing anything in the "war of necessity" his weakness in foreign matters, his health care push at the worst possible financial time for this country, and all the new taxes that have been put in place and are to come. As a moderate conservative who is ok with gay marriage, do you liberals actually believe he will do anything to help the gay marriage cause until his second term (which he wont get)? Its all about his political career and votes, he doesnt care about any of us. He knows that would kill his election chances in 2012. Same with health care, wont start till 2013, if he cared so much about everyone, with so many people out of work with no insurance it should start right away. My point is that it doesnt matter what fox says all we have to do is look and see that the next Jimmy Carter is in office.
        On a side note i just wanna say that you guys are bigots, you do exactly what other bigots do. You stereotype all right conservatives and right wingers into a group and hate them all, insult them all, label them all just like other bigots do to other groups. Your no better so get over yourselves.
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        • Author by gs-425 (November 03, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
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          I guess there is only 3 million views if each household has only one person watching.
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        • Author by magnolialover (November 03, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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          I suggest that you haven't been here a lot, or often enough to label everyone on here saying that conservatives are all the same. There are many different folks on here who don't label them as all the same, and that wouldn't be bigotry anyway, that would be called prejudice, should get your terms correct.

          First, list of broken promises. Do you realize that President is elected to a 4 year term. It's hard to tell what promises Obama has broken when he hasn't been in office even for an entire year yet isn't it?

          Lack of jobs, yes, the recession did provide for a certain lack of jobs, and a high rate of unemployment, but do you really think that was Obama's doing? Hmm, it probably was not. The economic recovery that we're seeing now is a combination of policies that President Bush put in towards the end of his 2nd term, and also policies that President Obama has implemented since taking office.

          What weakness in foreign matters? You guys keep saying that, but there isn't any proof that he's weak in foreign policy. You mean weakness like how Iran agreed to allow IAEA inspectors into their secret nuclear facility after it was revealed to be in existence by Obama? Or like how Iran agreed to start sending out non-enriched uranium to other countries (France and Russia) to have THEM enrich it for use in power generation reactors, and to generate medical isotopes? Or, do you mean how he has increased the number of troops in Afghanistan, per his campaign promise? Or, that the rest of the world now views American positively since Obama has been in office? Or his Nobel Peace Prize? Yeah, he's been such a disaster for foreign policy so far, I'm surprised we let him leave the country!

          The health care push comes at this point in time as a good thing, since a lot of people's financial crises are caused by, yes, health care, or more directly to the point, NOT having insurance. This is where the most bankruptcies are generated each and every year in the US, because of lack of insurance. Not to mention the people that die every year, because of lack of coverage, and health care.

          What new taxes? Do you make more than $250k/year, or more than $300k/year as a married couple? If so, then guess what? Your taxes haven't gone up (yet). You're still being taxed under the Bush tax cut rates. If you make less than that, guess what? You, like me, got a tax CUT. What new taxes? You're making that up.

          Obama has always stated that gay marriage is a State issue, and interestingly enough, States are doing their own law making in that regard.

          Obama will get a 2nd term, you can bank on that. Especially considering who is probably going to be running from the republican side of things.

          I can tell you're a talking points robot, due to calling Obama Jimmy Carter, of course, totally ignoring everything he's done thus far.
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          • Author by Zel (November 03, 2009 11:35 pm ET)
               
            It's always Bush's fault.

            Obama wasn't ready to be President & should have been kicked from the campaign trail the instant he didn't know or refused to place his hand over his heart and pledge his loyalty and allegiance to the United States of America - the country he wants to lead but continually denigrates and apologizes for. That alone should have disqualified him. However, his many nefarious associations with criminals, terrorists, racists, liars & thugs should have cinched the deal ... all of that was overlooked BECAUSE he was black and was promising FREEBIES to everyone under the sun. Forget his "color," he is a liar and scam artist of humongous proportions who should have gone to jail with Rezko.
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          • Author by MissDee (November 03, 2009 11:45 pm ET)
               
            quote:I can tell you're a talking points robot

            Did you read what you just said prior to that? LOL Pot meet kettle in the mirror.
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        • Author by progressive tribalist (November 03, 2009 1:10 pm ET)
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          Hmmm? So right wingers come here and exhibit the same old rigid conservative ideology but we stereotype their demonstrated actions. You're nuts.

          In fact, you're a case study of the oblivious conservative, you have no self awareness. You repeat the standard rightie baloney about Democrats being weak on foreign policy, even though Obama has made great strides in restoring trust abroad in America. You feign the same deficit concerns the same as every other fringie, despite the necessity of deficit spending conservative economics wrought on the country. It's not like you guys batted an eye when our government was giving billions we didn't have to the Blackwater mercenaries. You go into tax vapor lock even though you have no other alternative for actually paying for the deficits the last Republican president rang up. And that Jimmy Carter talking point. How many times do you reckon we've heard that from the cons who post here?

          Dude you are a stereotype, so stop whining and come up with some ideas for fixing problems instead of sucking your thumb and crying about liberals.

          Having said that, I agree with you that Obama has been a disappointment. He's been too damned timid to ride the wave of energy he generated in the election and effect the change we need. You guys on the right really dodged a progressive tidal wave because Barack is too worried about compromise to fulfill his mandate. The time has past for change. Now we're stuck with luke warm capitulation to pressure from the progressive base.
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        • Author by Zel (November 03, 2009 11:29 pm ET)
             
          Excellent post!
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      • Author by alerted (November 03, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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        Obama needs TO GET OUT OF CAMPAIGN mode and acutally figure out how to LEAD the nation.
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        • Author by magnolialover (November 03, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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          He's leading. You're not paying attention apparently.
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          • Author by alerted (November 03, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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            I am paying attention, all I see is him traveling to make more campaign speeches and appearances, when is he actually making decisions?
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            • Author by DellDolly (November 03, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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              Why would you suggest that he shouldn't campaign during campaign season?

              Have you forgotten that he's a politician? That all of our 'elected officials' are politicians?

              And if you think that the Obama Administration only consists of Obama, and not hundreds of other people helping enact change, and if you think that he's the kind of person who can't multitask, it's your severe lack of understanding and common sense that's on display.
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              • Author by RyanBrah (November 04, 2009 2:09 am ET)
                   
                And if you think that the Obama Administration only consists of Obama, and not hundreds of other people helping enact change, and if you think that he's the kind of person who can't multitask, it's your severe lack of understanding and common sense that's on display.

                Agreed, He's doing what he can. Better than Ol' Bush playin' 18 holes then going to the 19th Hole for a cold one while he's at war and America was on their knees.
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          • Author by Zel (November 03, 2009 11:36 pm ET)
               
            He is DITHERING. He's a DITHERER.
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (November 03, 2009 9:06 am ET)
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      At TalkingPointsMemo.com Josh Marshall did an "AWESOME" job of showing how "bias" and "wrong" FoxNews was just this past weekend (October 31 - November 1) in calling the NY-23 Election's Happenings hour by hour. It was funny to watch FoxNews glee with joy of a Republican dropping out to support a Conservative - "NOT", LOL. Enjoy: http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3810852&ref=fpblg
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    • Author by The_Cat (November 03, 2009 10:00 am ET)
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      This is exactly the kind of 'balanced' coverage the Fairness Doctrine was written to prevent, and it worked quite well until President Reagan dismantled it. Letting one man, Murdoch in this case, control who the media is rooting for in an election, is un-American. That the FOX Propaganda would choose sides in this way only highlights the fact that they are a political organization, and not a news organization.
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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 03, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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        I'm sorry that you think that yourself and other people need legislation/government to help them turn the channel.
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        • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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          Liberals look to legislation/government to help them do most everything, and control everything, including our own behavior.
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          • Author by progressive tribalist (November 03, 2009 1:30 pm ET)
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            You're kind of a partisan hack aren't you?
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (November 03, 2009 4:49 pm ET)
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              Tommy is a generalization troll.
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 03, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
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                Tommy is a parsing troll whose only purpose is to deflect debate away from the fact that the right-wing has nothing constructive to offer.
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        • Author by DellDolly (November 03, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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          This isn't about our lack of knowledge on how to utilize a remote control. And no one said that we need legislation to help us do anything of the sort. That's just your strawman argument.

          It's about how the nonsense from FoxNews poisons our national debate because they get more credibility than they deserve.

          FoxNews doesn't help our nation. They hurt it because too many people believe what they say, and too often they lead and the MSM follows.

          We need to stop them from being able to influence the debate as they do currently. They shouldn't have the prestige they have. They shouldn't have the credibility they have.

          And one of the signs that they get more credibility than they deserve is because they allowed conservative candidates to stump on FoxNews. No legit news organization would do that! That behavior should be highlighted and it should be a mark against them when people evaluate their standing in the news media marketplace.
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          • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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            Sorry SuzyLuDell, but it isn't up to you or any of your arrogant elitist liberal friends to determine how much or how little credibility Fox deserves. You are free to make that determination for yourself alone, but you have no business doing for anyone else. And you are free to point out what you don't like, or what they do that offends you, but you have no business dictating to anyone their influence, or their prestige.

            Like it or not, there are people who want to watch Fox and we all know liberals think those that do are all idiots and they know better to tell them what they should be watching, like MSNBC or something. But once again, you stick your nose where it doesn't belong.

            And if you think you are the arbiter of credibility and appropriate debate, you aren't, for anyone but yourself. We can get by without you.
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            • Author by DellDolly (November 03, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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              Actually, contrary to your assertion, the White House, MMFA and I are all entitled to our opinions. But it's not just our opinions. It's demonstrable fact that FoxNews allowed conservative candidates to stump on FoxNews, but didn't afford the opposing candidates the same opportunities.

              And yeah, we should publicize this as much as possible to try to help our nation out. I understand that this hurts your cause, but, too bad, so sad.

              We aren't sticking our noses in places they don't belong. Our nation deserves to have our national debate unpolluted by nonsense that's given credibility it doesn't deserve. When we have to talk about non-issues, it stops us from being able to talk about the real issues. When we have to debunk stories about imaginary death panels, it stops us from being able to discuss the real benefits of end-of-life counselling, for example. When a news organization hosts only conservative candidates and doesn't vet their platforms fairly, it's toxic to our election process, and it is our job to do everything we can to block that kind of omission of relevant info.

              And I understand that you have a bug up your butt towards me. Again, too bad, so sad. No one cares who irritates you. In fact, we like it when you get frustrated. It entertains us.
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              • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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                What this nation deserves is what it has chosen for itself. And enough people have chosen Fox News as its cable news outlet. I haven't, but I don't feel the need to tell other people what they should or shouldn't watch.

                Try this, if you don't like Fox then you and your liberals should get together and try to overcome their dominance in the free market. Put out a product that competes with them and that people will watch. Beat them at their own game, be competitive instead of whining about them 24/7 and telling people they poison this or poison that and you know better what people should be discussing or debating in this country.

                You look pitiful and toothless.
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                • Author by Brabantio (November 03, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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                  So, instead of expecting others to act better, liberals should act worse in order to balance it out?
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                  • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
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                    If that is what you took from I wrote, so be it. And if you'd rather whine about Fox than compete with them, so be it.
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                    • Author by Brabantio (November 03, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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                      Well, haven't you yourself said that FOX is "crap"? Why shouldn't that "crap" be criticized for what it is by someone other than you? And if it's "crap", why should anyone be motivated to create some left-wing version of it?
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                      • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
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                        Enjoy your afternoon.
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                        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 03, 2009 5:20 pm ET)
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                          Enjoy your afternoon.
                          In other words, Tommy got his ass handed to him yet again, and he isn't man enough to admit it.
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                  • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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                    And you know, "acting worse" would be to introduce a dishonest tactic and twist someone's words in order to feel superior in an argument they are having. Perhaps that is a more familiar context for you.
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                    • Author by Brabantio (November 03, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
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                      "Acting worse" is based directly on your past comments about FOX being "crap". Are you telling me now that "crap" isn't negative in nature, or what?
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                      • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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                        No, I am telling you that based on your admission of introducing any dishonest tactic to counteract "no matter what I write", there is no point in me discussing anything with you as you may decide at any moment to act on your admission.
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                        • Author by Brabantio (November 03, 2009 2:21 pm ET)
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                          I never said "no matter what you write". I'm not sure what the "admission" is supposed to be in your current telling, since you left a couple of words out of that sentence.

                          Why don't we operate in the here and now, instead of worrying about some misrepresented notion of what I might do in the future? You say that FOX is illegitimate. That's fine for you, apparently. When Dolly says that this is a problem, that they shouldn't have credibility, then that's somehow inappropriate.

                          Why?
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                          • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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                            by Brabantio (October 26, 2009 5:53 pm ET)

                            Your failure to grasp how you come across to others has no bearing on how your behavior is perceived.

                            And the next time you feel misrepresented, it's now known that the person doing so can simply attribute a motivation to "conservatives" and then apply that to you, no matter what you wrote.

                            Sorry for the misquote. Enjoy your afternoon.
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                            • Author by Brabantio (November 03, 2009 2:38 pm ET)
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                              Thanks for admitting your oft-repeated and wildly misleading error. I hope that's the last time you'll trot it out, but I can't say you've inspired that amount of faith in me.

                              But you're not going to explain how you can say that FOX is "crap" and "illegitimate" without suggesting that they shouldn't have credibility, anyway. That's really the point here, as opposed to your misquote distraction.
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                          • Author by DellDolly (November 03, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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                            That's pretty funny, actually, that he tried to pin you down with a totally bogus quote that significantly distorted the meaning of what you actually wrote!
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                            • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 2:51 pm ET)
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                              Sorry SuzyLuDolly, How could I misquote him when I reprinted his exact words? But of course he wants to forget about it now and "operate in the here and now", I would too if I tried to twist the meaning of what I had just admitted too. And from someone who lauds himself around here as holding people accountable for their behavior, Brabantio doesn't even hold himself accountable for his own admission of arguing dishonestly if it suits him, "no matter what I wrote".
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                              • Author by Brabantio (November 03, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
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                                And from someone who lauds himself around here as holding people accountable for their behavior, Brabantio doesn't even hold himself accountable for his own admission of arguing dishonestly if it suits him, "no matter what I wrote".
                                I never suggested I would do it, though. I was just letting you know that if you establish that sort of standard, it could be used against you.
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                              • Author by DellDolly (November 03, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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                                Yeah, how could you misquote him when you quoted him as saying "no matter what I write" when he said "And the next time you feel misrepresented, it's now known that the person doing so can simply attribute a motivation to "conservatives" and then apply that to you, no matter what you wrote."

                                I think the proof is directly above this.

                                You misquoted him, then determined what he meant when he said something different by using the words you misquoted.

                                So that's why I said

                                That's pretty funny, actually, that he tried to pin you down with a totally bogus quote that significantly distorted the meaning of what you actually wrote!

                                So yeah, he wants to be accurately quoted, and he doesn't want you to use a misquote to twist the meaning of what he actually said! What he wants is totally reasonable, of course.

                                It was you who twisted the meaning here. He said that he wants to operate in the here and now as compared to your assertion that anything you said in the future, because he used the word "wrote", which means evaluating what's already happened versus "write", which means evaluating it in the future!!!

                                You need to start your drinking games later in the day, because this argument you're trying to make is looney.
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                • Author by DellDolly (November 03, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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                  There are multiple paths liberals should follow. There are multiple things we should fight for.

                  One thing they should do is be good stewards of our nation. Another is they should be honest, and yet another is respectful of the minority party.

                  We need to package our political philosophy in good, easy to understand soundbites to maximize the average joe's ability to understand and buy into it.

                  But beyond that, we should also fight against some things. One of those things we should fight against is nonsense from people like you, and from groups like FoxNews, and from other right wingers like Rush Limbaugh. We should fight against you and your ilk getting more credibility than what you deserve.

                  I am not sure why you think that this is off base..... do you think that Consumer Reports shouldn't exist? That no factcheck.org should exist? How about the FDA, or USDA, or OSHA checking product reliability and safety?

                  Because the reason they exist is the same reason we fight against FoxNews getting more crediblity than they deserve.

                  As we always have to remind you, the person whining here is you. Whining is feeble complaining. That'd be you. We have incontrovertible evidence that backs up our complaints about FoxNews.
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                  • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
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                    "We need to package our political philosophy in good, easy to understand soundbites to maximize the average joe's ability to understand and buy into it"

                    LOL!! Finally, a bit of smug elitist arrogant honesty from you. Thank you for admitting the liberal philosophy of packaging soundbites so average people will buy into it.
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                    • Author by DellDolly (November 03, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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                      Like every politician doesn't do that?

                      Like every product manufacturer doesn't do that?

                      Like everyone on a first date doesn't do that?

                      Honesty about how products or ideas are sold is not bad.

                      The issue was you were claiming that it was inappropriate to both highlight one's good qualities and one's opponent's bad qualities! You asserted that the only legit thing I could do was highlight the liberals good qualities, and I had no right to discuss the right's bad qualities.

                      And that was more nonsense from you. I acknowledged the part of your argument that was accurate, that we should be competitive, as well as debunking your argument that it's inappropriate for us to publish how bad your side is.

                      Hypocrite that you are, you implicitly deny that packaging FoxNews' "political philosophy in good, easy to understand soundbites to maximize the average joe's ability to understand and buy into it" is exactly what your side already does! You act like this is a disreputable thing to do. It's not.
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                      • Author by right ON (November 03, 2009 3:43 pm ET)
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                        It's always funny when a liberal gets caught in a fleeting moment of rare honesty, they try and back away from it from being reflexively dishonest, more familiar ground I suppose.

                        You specifically laid out a path for liberals to follow. And in order to sell your political philosophy to idiots out there, (or as you condescendingly label them "average joes"), you must package it with soundbites so they will buy into it. In other words, detailed policies spelling out exactly what you advocate isn't the way to go for liberals because the average joes won't buy it. They need to be hoodwinked into buying the liberal philosophy because liberals aren't supposed to tell you what they really believe. Because those idiots you covet won't buy into it.

                        As I have always said, liberals never want to reveal their true intentions - they want to package it in soundbites so fools out there will buy into it.

                        You said it way better than I ever have. I just knew it.
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                    • Author by Brabantio (November 03, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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                      I'm not seeing what's supposed to establish that as "liberal philosophy". That quote would easily apply to a situation where conservatives do that, therefore liberals need to do it also in order to compete politically.
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            • Author by Zel (November 03, 2009 11:38 pm ET)
                 
              Beautifully put!!!!
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      • Author by alerted (November 03, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
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        Un-American is the white house and the President trying to keep an organization that has been part of the White House Press Corp since the 1980's from taking part in interviews, etc. Fox News has been part of that group through Clinton and Bush, etc -- but apparently the Obama administration can't handle the critictism.
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        • Author by open_mind (November 03, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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          What are you ranting about? Sure would be nice if you guys ever gave links. It seems like you are suggesting Fox "News" was around in the 1980's.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 03, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
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            I've almost given up on trying to make sense of most of the wingnuts posts here. Aside from very dull talking points about getting out of campaign mode and being weak on terror, I see two major themes above; liberals are bigots who make ridiculous generalizations about conservatives, and all liberals want government to control everything including our behavior.

            Maybe it just settles their nerves to type gibberish. I'm glad they have an outlet here, but it's a real time saver to skip over most of the comments that start off sounding like Fox "news" in the first sentence.
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          • Author by alerted (November 03, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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            First...I need to correct that Fox has been a memeber of the White House Press Pool since the 1990's, not that 1980's as I typed earlier.

            Escalation: White House Tries to Exclude Fox From Press Pool Interview
            The White House sent out an alert today to the press pool that "Pay Czar" Kenneth Feinberg would be doing a press availability— a round robin with the major news networks, in which Fox is customarily included. The administration specified that everyone was invited except Fox News, according to Bret Baier on "Special Report" tonight.

            The press pool, acting in the interest of its members, admirably stood up to the White House bullying. All the other networks declared that if Fox was not getting an interview, they would not be conducting interviews. The White House responded by cutting Feinberg's time with the networks from five minutes to two minutes.

            The White House can dole out access to various administration officials, to be sure, but when dealing with the actual press pool, it has to deal with the White House Press Association—the independent group of journalists charged with looking out for WH reporters' best interests in covering the executive branch. That's much trickier than just talking trash about Fox on TV.
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            • Author by magnolialover (November 03, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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              Do you have a link?

              The title of the article says, "tries" to exclude FoxNews from Press Pool Interview.

              So did they try, or did they actually do it?
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              • Author by alerted (November 03, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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                Escalation: White House Tries to Exclude Fox From Press Pool Interview

                White House draws criticism for trying to exclude Fox from press pool

                There are numerous other links to this story but these were the first two I found.

                I found this on the White House Press Association's website:
                WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENTS' ASSOCIATION OFFICERS AND BOARD
                Since 1914, the White House Correspondents' Association has operated independently of the White House and the White House credentialing process. We intend for the White House Correspondents' Association to remain independent of that process.

                Consistent with the First Amendment, the White House Correspondents' Association stands for inclusiveness in the credentialing process so that the White House remains accessible to all journalists. We hope that individual episodes do not obscure the broader principles of a fair and evenhanded credentialing process that serves the goal of free and full exchange of information.

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                • Author by open_mind (November 03, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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                  Yes. And the White House Correspondents' Association is still operating independently. Apparently you did not read the exchange at the end of The Weekly Standard article you (finally) linked to:

                  Carol E. Lee, Politico: Does that mean the White House doesn't believe they should be part of the press pool?

                  Gibbs: The press pool is decide by the White House Correspondents Association.

                  Lee: So you have no opinion on whether they should be ...

                  Gibbs: I'm not going to delineate for the White House Correspondents Association how the pool is conducted. That's not my job.
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              • Author by open_mind (November 03, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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                Apparently conservatives are too stupid to fulfil a fairly simple request. Maybe we should ask their horses to provide links for them. Here is the link to The Weekly Standard.

                It turns out this is all according to Fox "News" Brett Baier. There are no links to any official White House statements (but then again, we know how conservatives hate backing up their arguments with actual evidence/substance) AND the White House spokesman actually said: "I'm not going to delineate for the White House Correspondents Association how the pool is conducted. That's not my job."

                Another fake "controversy" trumped up by Fox "News" it seems.
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            • Author by DellDolly (November 03, 2009 1:22 pm ET)
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              This was a false talking point that FoxNews tried to shop around. The press corps didn't do what you suggest. It's an invention of FoxNews conspiracy theorists.

              Feinberg did a pen and pad with reporters to brief them on cutting executive compensation. TV correspondents, as they do with everything, asked to get the comments on camera. Treasury officials agreed and made a list of the networks who asked (Fox was not among them).

              But logistically, all of the cameras could not get set up in time or with ease for the Feinberg interview, so they opted for a round robin where the networks use one pool camera. Treasury called the White House pool crew and gave them the list of the networks who'd asked for the interview.

              The network pool crew noticed Fox wasn't on the list, was told that they hadn't asked and the crew said they needed to be included. Treasury called the White House and asked top Obama adviser Anita Dunn. Dunn said yes and Fox's Major Garrett was among the correspondents to interview Feinberg last night.

              Simple as that, we're told, and the networks don't want to be seen as heroes for Fox.

              TPMDC spoke with a network bureau chief this afternoon familiar with the situation who was surprised that Fox was portraying the news as networks coming to its rescue.
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            • Author by progressive tribalist (November 03, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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              BooHoo. Tell it to Helen Thomas. At least this white house has the nerve to out an entire political media organization of considerable clout instead of picking on a little old lady who dared to get all up in W's bubble!
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          • Author by John Paradox (November 03, 2009 5:08 pm ET)
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            In February 1996, after former Republican political strategist and NBC executive[17] Roger Ailes left America's Talking (now MSNBC), Murdoch called him to start the Fox News Channel. Ailes worked individuals through five months of 14-hour workdays and several weeks of rehearsal shows before launch, on October 7, 1996.[18]

            Wiki (for those who can't remember, like me, exactly when Faux News 'went on the air' [cable])
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        • Author by amendmentforone (November 03, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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          Ah, yes, because the Obama Administration is the first one in the White House to EVER not react to biased news organizations distorting facts and clearly not acting like a traditional news organization should. Somehow, I seem to recall the Bush Administration taking umbridge against MSNBC for similar issues themselves. The Bush Administration didn't make itself completely available for interviews on topics that weren't favorable to them, and not always on networks that were unfavorable to them. The implication that the Obama Administration is the first to do this is incorrect.

          And FOX News has been around since 1996, not since the 1980s.
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          • Author by alerted (November 03, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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            Yes, I corrected my year in the follow up post....they have been in the WH Press since 1997
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        • Author by The_Cat (November 03, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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          You mean an organization like FOX, that has refused to air the President's last two nationwide addresses, alerted? That who you're referring to? So, Major Garrett no longer has access to White House press conferences? And isn't allowed to ask questions?

          If that's who you're referring to, you should also be equally aware that FOX Propaganda has yet to air any legitimate criticism of Obama's policies. Do they care what mustard he puts on his cheeseburger? Sure. Do they raise legitimate questions about health reform? Nope. They raise mobs, astroturfing with the help of health insurance companies and big pharma, then they promote the rallies, sponsor the rallies, help pay for the rallies, and finally cover the rallies, all while claiming no one else is noticing. Which is kind of funny, because the full page ad they ran had, as background, an image from a CNN camera tower at the even they claimed CNN didn't cover!
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          • Author by gs-425 (November 03, 2009 4:06 pm ET)
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            FOX did air the addresses, but on the affiliate networks that reached the most people. Those stations still broadcast over the airwaves and reach those that don't have cable. FOX News is only available thru paid TV services.
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            • Author by The_Cat (November 03, 2009 4:54 pm ET)
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              No, gs-425, they most certainly did not:

              NEW YORK: The Fox Network will not air the president’s news conference this evening, The New York Times reported. Fox said it will instead carry its new drama, “Lie to Me,” as originally scheduled. The decision is said to be the first by a major broadcast network to not carry a presidential press conference.


              Which you can find proof of here...
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              • Author by open_mind (November 03, 2009 5:34 pm ET)
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                Nice takedown. I hate it when they just make up stuff. You think they'd learn by now.
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    • Author by RedChocobo (November 03, 2009 11:29 am ET)
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      Losing any or all of these races would not be a big deal. Fox is making a big deal out of them for a few obvious reasons.

      1. They are the propaganda machine of the GOP
      2. A few Republican victories could be toted as a trend toward a return to Republican power.
      3. Obama is campaigning for some of them and Fox would treat their loss as failure on Obama's part, similar to the Olympics, and a sign of his 'waning influence' (a talking point they were pushing on Fox this morning).

      The truth is, Fox wants them to win because they want Obama to fail. Frankly I fail to understand why the MSM feels the need to give these races so much coverage.
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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 03, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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        Really? Not a big deal? Lose two states that went blue last year in the pres election, replacing two dem governors?

        I would say if the coin was flipped you'd think it was very important.
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        • Author by RedChocobo (November 03, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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          Perhaps I don't understand the magnitude of these particular elections (aside from the one with the 'conservative' party candidate) or my geographical distance has an effect but I still believe that Fox only cares because Obama is campaigning.
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        • Author by DellDolly (November 03, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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          No, we wouldn't think that non-existent trends are evidence of anything.

          First off, Virginia went Democratic last year for the first time in a long time, and secondly, for the last generation Virginia has voted for the opposition party for Governor. A different result would be the big deal. The expected result is not a big deal. FoxNews (and you) are trying to pretend that it's a big deal.

          And Corzine has a lot of baggage that has nothing to do with Obama or Democrats in general. If he loses, it's not a sign of anything. And if he wins, well, he was well behind, and it would be a sign of the cratering of support for his opponent.
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    • Author by open_mind (November 03, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
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      Christie is bad news. This American Life shows how Christie as one of President Bush's US Attorney railroaded a guy (named Lakhani) in a pretty obvious and straight-forward case of entrapment.
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    • Author by Doug-Life (November 03, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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      Politicians wanting media exposure during a campaign?! No way!
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 03, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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        In other news, Joan Rivers appeared on Home Shopping Club channel during an infomercial for Joan Rivers products.
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      • Author by DellDolly (November 03, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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        But a supposed news organization gave airtime to only conservative candidates!

        So yeah, politicians want media exposure. FoxNews dishonestly gave that exposure to one side but not the other side.
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    • Author by magnolialover (November 03, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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      Here is a good link, as to how Hoffman in NY thinks about Glenn Beck. As a mentor.

      Lord help NY.
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    • Author by barbrajeanne3947 (November 03, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
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      The Media is trying to portray THREE elections as a Referendum on Obama's first year. I noticed in the last 25 years, the Republicans act like Kings in that when they are out of power, run through the forests killing anyone in sight that does not agree with them. History will tell you that when a King wants it that bad, they will do anything to get their throne back. Thus....Fox News was born in this country.
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      • Author by John Paradox (November 03, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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        Mentioning Kings makes me want to watch History Of The World Part 1
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (November 03, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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      I never bother reading the comments of the majority of conservatives' comments on this site simply because it's a waste of time debating facts with those who have few/none. It's an exercise in futility for me because they'll believe whatever their pundits, the Fuchs Noose entertainers, and rw radio prognosticators tell them to believe, without any reality-based facts to support them. I often wonder whether they realize that a little independent research would help them in understanding exactly what is going on in the country.

      One example of something I read from most conservatives is that Obama is taking their freedoms away. There is no evidence of this. They're still able to do the same things today that they were able to do before January 20, 2009.
      A little research on whether they are still free to live where they are living, whether they have been told that they can no longer keep their jobs and homes, whether they are destined for FEMA camp or not, whether travel restrictions have been put in place to prevent interstate/ intrastate/foreign travel, whether gun shops/shows have stopped selling guns, etc, instead of repeating far rw talking points would clear up these and other issues. It is unbelievable that a few rw entertainers/pundits/radio tools could persuade millions of people to be afraid of something that is not happening.

      As a person of color, my assessment of the basis of these fears is the fact that President #44, according to American history, ideology, and culture, is considered an outlier, thus, although highly qualified for the job is deemed unqualified for the job due to the persistence of some Americans in continuing the false meme of the message underlying the phrase, "It's called the White House for a reason."
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      • Author by Zel (November 03, 2009 11:48 pm ET)
           
        Your color does not matter.
        Socialism never works ... know your history.
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      • Author by retiredinsf (November 04, 2009 9:14 am ET)
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        "As a person of color, my assessment of the basis of these fears is the fact that President #44, according to American history, ideology, and culture, is considered an outlier, thus, although highly qualified for the job is deemed unqualified for the job due to the persistence of some Americans in continuing the false meme of the message underlying the phrase, "It's called the White House for a reason."

        Big words and long sentences to play the race card. Again.

        And what about all those who voted President #44 into the "White House". Or are they racist now but not before? So silly for you guys to be so hung up on the color of skin. Pathetic.
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      • Author by alerted (November 04, 2009 9:51 am ET)
           
        He ran for president. He was voted as president. He should be judged on the same standards, values, criteria, decisions, etc that all previous presidents have been scrutized under.
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      • Author by alerted (November 04, 2009 9:52 am ET)
           
        He ran for president. He was voted as president. He should be judged on the same standards, values, criteria, decisions, etc that all previous presidents have been scrutized under.
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