Right-wing talkers go down in defeat in NY congressional race
Right-wing media figures enthusiastically endorsed and boosted the failed Conservative Party candidacy of Doug Hoffman in the race to fill a vacant seat in New York's 23rd Congressional District, with several of them hosting Hoffman on their radio or television shows. Media figures who boosted Hoffman include Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Mike Huckabee, Michelle Malkin, and Andrew Breitbart's BigGovernment.com.
Right-wing hosts endorsed, boosted Hoffman
Hannity to Hoffman: "I hope I'm on the air this time tomorrow night and I'll be able to declare you the winner." On November 2, Hannity hosted Hoffman, former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-TN) and Jeri Thompson, who said, "[W]e haven't won yet. So everybody's got to get out to the polls. We've got to vote tomorrow, vote, vote, vote, vote. Vote in Virginia, vote in New Jersey, and vote in New York-23." Moments later, Hannity said to Hoffman: "I think this is a referendum on a lot of what's been going on in the country, which is moving radically to the left. And I think this election is going to be watched. I hope I'm on the air this time tomorrow night and I'll be able to declare you the winner." [Fox News' Hannity, 11/2/09]
Beck to Hoffman: "You seem like the kind of person that we need in Washington." Hosting Hoffman on the radio on November 2, Beck said: "I like you. You seem like a normal guy. You seem like a nice guy. You seem like the kind of person that we need in Washington, which is just a regular person." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 11/2/09]
"Mr. Independent" Dobbs declared NY-23's Hoffman "change I can believe in." On November 2, Dobbs said to Hoffman, "You know what's the great -- what the great thing is about the Dem -- the Conservative candidate running for Congress, Doug Hoffman? He's neither a professional politician; he's a guy who's just disgusted with the system, turns out he's an accountant." Moments later, Dobbs added: "It's hard to believe, but it looks like he just might win. Now this is change I can believe in. If we can get some accountants, and teachers, and carpenters, and some plumbers, and some electricians, some truck drivers, some people who know how to work for a living in this country, I think I'm going to be one of the happiest guys in the entire nation." [United Stations Radio Network's The Lou Dobbs Show, 11/2/09]
Limbaugh: We can say Scozzafava is "guilty of widespread bestiality; she has screwed every RINO in the country." Discussing former Republican candidates Dede Scozzafava's endorsement of Hoffman's opponent, Bill Owens, Limbaugh said: "Scozzafava has screwed every RINO [Republican in Name Only] in the coun -- we can say that she's guilty of widespread bestiality. She has screwed every RINO in the country. Everyone can see just see how phony and dangerous they are. You know, 2010 might be a nightmare for PETA. Two animals may become extinct; RINOs and Blue Dog Democrats. Pelosi's gonna kill off the Blue Dogs, and the conservatives are gonna finally get rid of RINOs. The American people have had enough." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show, 11/2/09]
9/12 movement, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News, among others, credited for Scozzafava withdrawal from NY-23 race. In a November 1 article, "GOP Nominee for N.Y. seat quits race," The Washington Times reported that Fox News contributor and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) said Hoffman's "rise is a result of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Fox News, the Club for Growth, Gov. [Sarah] Palin and [Minnesota Gov. Tim] Pawlenty and former House Majority Leader Dick Armey and virtually the entire national conservative movement joining with Mike Long, whose Conservative Party, a very established organization, which won its first big race 39 years ago."
Fox host Huckabee's PAC endorsed Hoffman. An email sent out by Huckabee's political action committee, Huck PAC, to people who signed Huckabee's petition at balancecutsave.com, asked recipients to participate in a phone bank for Republican gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell and congressional candidates David Harmer and Hoffman. The email said that "[w]e need to help get each of these fine men elected" and asked recipients to "take a moment now to make phone calls to voters." As Media Matters for America has documented, Huckabee previously urged Fox News viewers to visit balancecutsave.com.
Malkin fundraised for Hoffman, posted Hoffman piece on her blog. Malkin repeatedly boosted Hoffman's candidacy on her blog and attacked Republicans who endorsed Scozzafava. In addition, on October 22, Malkin posted a piece on her website written by Hoffman urging people to support him. At the top of the post, a "Note from Michelle" read: "This is a special guest post from NY-23 conservative congressional candidate Doug Hoffman. Please spread the word about the Nov. 3 special election and show your support. All hands on deck!" The note included a link to a page on Hoffman's website soliciting donations. [MichelleMalkin.com, 10/17/09]
Breitbart's BigGovernment.com: "New York 23: When a nation calls." Breitbart's website BigGovernment.com posted a piece written by stlouisteaparty.com editor Bill Hennessy titled "New York 23: When a Nation Calls." The post discussed people who had traveled across the country to volunteer for Hoffman and gave people tips on how to help Hoffman themselves. [BigGovernment.com, 10/30/09]
Right-wing hosts interviewed Hoffman to boost candidacy
Hannity hosted Hoffman on Fox on election eve. The night before polls opened, Hannity hosted Hoffman as well as Fred and Jeri Thompson. [11/2/09]
Beck, Hannity radio shows repeatedly hosted Hoffman. Hannity also had Hoffman on his radio show on October 26 and November 2, and Hoffman appeared on Beck's radio show on October 21 and November 2.
Obama was in NJ last Sunday and it is still breathlessly being reported that he did it and still 'his' candidates lost.
OTOH, I am sure till the last minute (much after Sunday), right wing talkers endorsed Hoffman, and lost.
And Clinton (Bill) still comes up every now and then. When was he the President?
Are you sure you replied to the post you intended to?
It's like you aren't even trying anymore- if you ever did.
Very trying.
Normal people aren't well-enough informed about how the government is run, or the needs of the Congressional district they live in, to be a member of the House of Representatives.
Have you ever seen "Jaywalking"? That's the "normal" guy!
We saw FoxNews and Dobbs promoting a partisan political candidate. Real, legit news organizations shouldn't do that!
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There are many jobs suited to the 'normal guy' of 'average intellect'. Some of them pay quite well, all are honorable work. But, to have your finger on the button, or to be in charge of making what will become the supreme law of the land? I want somebody a little more qualified than a 'normal guy' tends to be.
These bastards claimed it a mandate against Obama for those few victories in NJ and VA... but somehow it is voter fraud or Democratic influence on the voting machines... yeah okay.
What a bunch of circus clowns! I have nothing left but disdain to offer people like Hannity, Beck, Rush, and all the other right-wing neanderthals who can't handle reality!
Here's progressives and like-minded republicans....
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I prefer loose leaf tea as opposed to the teabag variety, the way tea is supposed to be made...:)
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The RINO was MORE liberal than the Blue Dog dem that was elected so it could have been much worse. Granny Pelosi will have a time twisting arms over this next election cycle! The blue dogs have seen the writing on the wall ( and left leaning R's). You can go the way of Corzine or buck Reid, Pelosi et all and keep your job.
That would seem to be a pretty solid repudiation of the conservatives to me.
That's what you get for thinking...or attempting to think.
Its called google use it.
So what has to be looked at is the counties that are in NY 23 now. That's the only fair way to look at this - and I notice you too didn't look at it fairly!
And small portions of the current district were represented by Democrats a generation ago, not recently. But 60% of the current district hasn't been represented by a Democrat in the 20th or 21st century.
It's amazing that people like you who don't know what you're talking about try to come here and educate us.
http://www.dailykos.com/main/3
Presidential elections, as well as governorships, are more related to personality - not Congressional districts though.
When NY State has to redistrict because of their shrinking population, it's likely that this geographic area will be swallowed up by other districts that are more closely associated with Central NY and Capital District regions.
Here are two.
History of the 23rd district....
and this story of a real democrat, not today's lefty type..
Who knew? Was she also on her book tour there?
You betcha!
The message here is for the libby republicans as much as for obama, your lefty policies are not what Americans want. The shift was dramatic and will thankfully effect upcoming votes on cap and tax and obamacare bills. We'll see what those blue dogs see in these results.
Speaking truth to/about progressives
Actually, the message here is that the Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh endorsement is a deal breaker. Plain and simple.
Sixty percent of independents preferred New Jersey Gov.-elect Chris Christie (R), compared to 30 percent for Gov. Jon Corzine (D), and they picked Virginia Gov.-elect Bob McDonnell (R) 66-33 over Democrat Creigh Deeds.
Both states saw the independent vote go narrowly for President Barack Obama in 2008.
Another interesting number is the percentage of voters who voted that are between the ages of 45 and 64.
Both states saw the under-30 vote fall by about half, to around 10 percent. That drop-off isn’t quite as concerning for Democrats, since it isn’t as reliable a vote for their party. But it could play in several key House districts, particularly those with large college populations.
John Delicath, who studies vote patterns for Women’s Voice Women Vote, noted that nearly half — 47 percent — of the electorate in both New Jersey and Virginia was between the ages of 45 and 64.
“That’s huge,” Delicath said. “That’s voters late in their career worried about their income and retirement. Indeed, the economy and jobs was the No. 1 issue in both states.”
From hearsay, my take on the governor's races: Corsine was not competent and the economy sucks, so he lost. Voters are hoping in Virginia that a Republ. guv will do better. When the economy's lousy, voters tend to blame the party in power. And Deeds wasn't all that great a pick.
Interesting.
--From Wikipedia
The 23rd district that was led by Stratton was an urban district near the NY State capital. Not the Adirondack Mountains and the Tug Hill Plateau and the Thousand Islands - the whole North Country area!
Here's where the 23rd covered in the past.
1913–1919
Parts of Manhattan
1919–1969
Parts of The Bronx
1969–1971
Parts of The Bronx, Manhattan
1971–1973
Parts of The Bronx
1973–1983
Parts of The Bronx, Westchester
1983–1993
All of Albany, Schenectady
Parts of Montgomery, Rensselaer
So up until 25 years ago, it was the environs around NYC!!!!
The number is not the important part.
Could you be more dishonest and disreputable?
Watch this brilliant montage. The Fox News spinmeisters rally 'round the Conservative candidate(who has the support of most big Republicans outside the state). Watching the little ACORN connection to Scozzafava grow and grow might into a mighty whopper may be the funniest part.
Why don't you address the fact that in both VA and NJ the voters defeated the Holy Grail of conservatism, the anti-tax movement? In both states voters rejected initiatives that would have crippled those states' capacity to provide services like education, health care, emergency services, and public safety.
I thought hating taxes was the Republican trump card, the big game changer?. Too bad for your anti-tax movement that people can see through the anti-tax mularkey and vote for sane tax policy in order to invest in education and infrastructure! It's a wonderful revelation that people care enough about the common good and the general welfare to vote down ballot initiatives that destroys the foundations of sustainable prosperity!
Happy day!
But don't let me bring you down. You go celebrate your supposed moral victory. I'l be celebrating the common sense of Americans who care enough about each other to support a strong public safety net.
I guess you want to forget about the 18 point victory in Viginia and the decisive victory in New Jersey, even though Obama won those states handily only a year ago.
O.K. Keep gloating, MM. Go ahead.
Oh, that's right-- this is actually a victory for Republicans, who dropped out, but so what, because that mean they still won, even though they threw their support over to the Dem, which means he lost, in reality.
I get it.
Victory is ours - no matter what.
Please keep sending out candidates like Doug Hoffman. America loves the swine flu more than your militia freakshow.
thanks,
M
This was a direct repudiation of the Obama admin and it just wasn't in the Gov race. It was up and down the ticket in a BLUE state.
Good thing Barry was watching himself on the HBO smooze fest and not watching the returns ( so Gibbs says) he may have lost another twenty pounds last night.
Do you really think I'm unique in that way? Do you honestly believe that people went into their voting booths and thought that they were going to send Obama a message with their votes? Are you that stupid?
What's "smooze"?
Makes perfect sense.
I won't even ask if you bothered to read the exit polling or know a damn thing about the Democrat running in VA or the history of NJ-23. It won't matter. Facts are your kryptonite.
Please bring out more Hoffmans.
Apparently you are not too good with facts yourself. NJ-23?
How about the fact that Obama thought it was important enough to come to Jersey repeatedly to get his guy elected. And failed.
The fact that Corzine didn't get elected doesn't mean that Obama didn't help him get more votes. Corzine had an approval rating in the 30's, and almost no chance of winning, yet he came pretty close to winning. Obama went to help Gov Corzine get more votes, and theres good evidence that he did just that.
And since when is it appropriate to suggest that a brain fart is evidence of someone not being good with facts? You're just rude.
But we can say for certain that economy would be worse off if we hadn't spend out childrens future away.
It's that spending that you should be decrying, but we didn't see any Tea Party protests during Bush's term, did we?
In the exit polls in both NJ and VA, the majority of voters said that Obama was not a factor in their decision.
(CNN) - There's been plenty of talk by political pundits that Virginia's gubernatorial contest was a referendum on President Barack Obama, but voters don't agree, according to data from CNN exit polls of people voting Tuesday in that state's gubernatorial contest.
Fifty-five percent of Virgina voters polled say that Obama was not a factor in how they voted
(CNN) - Six in 10 New Jersey voters said Tuesday that President Obama had no effect on their vote in this off-year gubernatorial election, according to early CNN Exit Poll data.
Exit poll: Obama not a big factor in Virginia/New Jersey...
Still, majorities of voters in both states (56 percent in Virginia and 60 percent in New Jersey) said President Obama was not a factor in their vote today.Exit Polls in Va. and N.J.: The Obama (Non) Factor?...
Republicans scored big victories in both Virginia and New Jersey Tuesday, but the majority of voters in both states told poll takers that President Obama was not a factor when they cast their vote. President Obama was not a factor...
A) a right wing talking point spouting drone who can't think for himself or
B) makes up crap without a scintilla of evidence to support his hypothesis.
Shame on you.
Spin it how they want, I don't think two years of crying like babies and lettings the B-H-L speak for the party is going to win the Republicans any senate seats in 2010.
That is an unmitigated lie. Voters rejected the anti-tax initiatives on the ballot. Moreover, when asked about the issues that matter most to people, voters agree with the progressive view of government as an instrument of protection and empowerment for citizens.
You keep clinging to those threads, t-bone, it won't be long before the whole garment is unraveled.
NOW you're referring to Hoffman as a simple "third party" candidate, but before yesterdays election, he was the second coming of Saint Ronnie. And did you forget the endorsements from GOP V.P. candidate Palin, former GOP presidential candidate Fred Thompson, former GOP House Majority Leader Dick Armey, loony Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Glenda "9/12" Beck, Rush Limbo, GOP Minn. Gov. Tim Pawlenty, GOP Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former GOP presidential candidate Rudy "9/11" Giuliani, former GOP NY Gov. George Pataki and Steve Forbes, a 2 time former GOP presidential candidate.
THAT is a pretty impressive list of REPUBLICAN endorsements for a simple "third party" candidate.
Only on planet wingnut could you describe Democrat Bill Owens, 49% to 45%, win over Hoffman, as narrow, and turn around and describe Christie's 48% to 44% win over Coriznne as decisive.
it might show that people wont vote for someone who is backed by a bunch of wingnuts. cant say that definitively, however, because hoffman didnt lose by much, but when you get huge support like that, you would expect a win, at least.
Get a clue.
One of the reasons Hoffman lost was because he was a 'regular guy' who didn't know a thing about politics, and those folks don't represent their Congressional districts well.
He thought that earmarks for Fort Drum were unnecessary - so much so that he pledged to not ask for any earmarks.
People in Watertown KNOW that earmarks for Fort Drum are critical. It's the biggest thing in that district.
When the writers on The West Wing wrote a fictional story about maybe closing down Fort Drum, Hillary Clinton wrote a letter to the writers jokingly complaining about it - Fort Drum is not something to mess around with in that district.
But when Hoffman went to be interviewed by the local Watertown newspaper, he wasn't prepared to answer their questions - he had no idea about any local issues in the district.
That's what you get when you nominate a 'regular guy' instead of a politician to run in an election for public political offices.
So, please, contine to do just that same thing. Don't learn anything from this mistake. In fact, continue to deny that the whole thing was a mistake!!! Be my guest!
He was such a bad candidate that the candidate nominated by the Republican Party couldn't stomach endorsing him. He was such a bad candidate that the Watertown newspaper was flabbergasted by his lack of knowledge. He was such a bad candidate that the voters in this conservative district elected a Democrat.
He wasn't uneducated on one issue. He was uneducated on all the issues in this district.
And yes, I do believe that it's the obligation of every Representative in Congress to be educated on the topics that concern the district they represent, and that obligation to be well-informed should also hold for anyone trying for that elected office!!! I am not sure why you think it's okay for him to be uninformed. It's like you think his conservative credentials should be enough!
Here are two stories and a couple of snippets from the Watertown Times - they were incredulous at his lack of skills and information!!
Douglas L. Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate for the 23rd Congressional District, showed no grasp of the bread-and-butter issues pertinent to district residents in a Thursday morning meeting with the Watertown Daily Times editorial board.
In a nearly hour-long session, Mr. Hoffman was unable to articulate clear positions on a number of matters specific to Northern New Yorkers rather than the national level campaign being waged in a three-way race for the vacant seat of now-Army Secretary John McHugh.
Mr. Hoffman spoke only generally about the need to improve the country's economy and to create jobs but provided no details, which were also lacking as well in his broadly stated willingness to help our military personnel. Help in what way he could not say.
A flustered and ill-at-ease Mr. Hoffman objected to the heated questioning, saying he should have been provided a list of questions he might be asked. He was, if he had taken the time to read the Thursday morning Times editorial raising the very same questions.
Coming to Mr. Hoffman's defense, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, who accompanied the candidate on a campaign swing, dismissed regional concerns as "parochial" issues that would not determine the outcome of the election. On the contrary, it is just such parochial issues that we expect our representative to understand and be knowledgeable about, if he wants to be our voice in Washington.
And
We just had a wacky hour at the Watertown Daily Times....The issues germane to the 23rd Congressional District are not being talked about because that discourse is getting drowned out by the cacophony from special interest groups outside the district.
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Imagine that - the same thing I talk about every day here, that the nonsense that FoxNews et al push stops us from being able to debate the real issues that face our nation! They are poisoning the debate, and their influence despite their well-known lack of credibility is toxic to our nation!
If you don't know what you're talking about, stop coming here and pretending that you have any standing to try to educate us!!!
You made a fool of yourself. You are not the victim here.
You did say that it would be better to have people like Hoffmann in positions of power, and that's clearly nonsense. We have your own words right here in front of us, and we didn't misinterpret a one of them.
And you're a lying sack of crap when you accuse me of having a kneejerk reaction to what you said because of who you are rather than my reaction being to what you typed. I don't hate FoxNews, and I don't care what you watch or don't watch.
But how like many debunked rightwingers here, when backed into a corner, you're unwilling to admit your errors, you blame others, thus making you the victim, and you make personal attacks.
It's very weak, and very typical, and you'll get no sympathy or empathy from anyone here, because you don't deserve it.
Not sure I agree with Lou very often, but he made some sense. Sure would be nice to see some accountants, some teachers, some regular people in congress, instead of the lawyers who become career politician. That goes for both sides of the aisle. Pretty sure the framers did not intend people to spend their whole lives in the bubble of Washington where they completely lose touch with reality.
See any mention of Hoffman or people "like Hoffman" in there. Nope, not there. My reference to accountants was not specifically leveled at Hoffman, it is just a career. A career that might make someone qualified for congress. Unless that's to common for a liberal elist like you, who thinks that only lawyers and the like can run our country.
You instead rambled on about Hoffman but made no mention of my remarks regarding Obama's promise to veto earmark while you cite earmarks for Ft. Drum as a reason Hoffman lost. Earmarks shouldn't even be an issue, Obama promised no earmarks right? Hard to justify that, huh? You completely neglect any mention of campaign finance reform and the influence of lobbyist money on Washington. You rant on and on but don't even address anything I actually said. I'm asking for no sympathy or empathy from you or anyone else. I'm a big boy and can take care of myself. I only ask that you address what was written and not go off on some tangent.
And to describe the multimillionaire businessman accountant Hoffman (who DIDN'T get a tax cut - Unlike most wingnuts, I'd be willing to wager) as just your regular guy, is laughable.
Until you are willing to endorse Campaign Finance Reform, I wish all of you "we need regular folks in Congress" idiots would STFU. Because it's just a lot of smoke until you put real reform into effect.
People like you and Hannity and Beck need to show some respect for the Founding Fathers you claim to revere by stop projecting your own philosophy on to them. There is ZERO evidence that the framers wanted term limits- in fact, the evidence indicates exactly the opposite.
It doesn't take a decoding ring or magic to figure out that you are talking about term limits. If you don't want to be "mistaken" in your intentions, don't use the hackneyed language of the term limits crowd. And read your posts before you accuse others of misquoting you.
More than anything, this race was a message: don't pull political stunts.
Darn it, when will you folks learn that when you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't come here and try to educate us!
On June 2nd, Rep McHugh was nominated to be Secretary of the Army.
On July 22nd, Dede Scozzafava was selected to be the Republican nominee. In most NY State elections, candidates are listed under both the Republican and Conservative parties or the Democratic and the Liberal Parties.
On August 7th, the NY State Conservative Party decided to nominate Doug Hoffman instead of supporting Ms Scozzafava.
So no, he "jumped" into the race 2 weeks after Rep Scozzafava was selected, and more than 12 weeks later, they had an election!!!
Dede was not a liberal candidate. She is a socially liberal Republican and a fiscally conservative one. There was no conspiracy here, despite your fears.
And although the district as constructed currently has not remained the same, the 3 main counties in that district have been there since at least 1850, and it's been since the 1850's that they've had a Democrat win a seat in Congress! Out of all the counties in the district currently, the most recently elected Democrat was in 1978 in a county right near Syracuse and a small part of a county near Albany. Before that, it was 1960, again when those rural counties were in districts associated with bigger cities. So you're way off base when you suggest that we could see a different trend within a decade or so. 60% of the district has not been represented by a Democrat since before 1870!
But you're right about him being unknown. And during his run for this office, he became more well known. And that wasn't a good thing for his candidancy. He didn't know district issues, he signed a pledge that was going to hamper his ability to help the largest employer in the district, Fort Drum Army Base, home to the 10th Mountain Division, and he disrespected the local folks in Watertown when he was interviewed by the local newspaper. He whined about not knowing the questions they were going to ask him, but all the questions were in the paper. They were the same questions they ask all the candidates, but he didn't bother trying to find out what they might ask him so he could study and have answers at the ready.
As for being fiscally conservative, by any measure so was the Dem candidate, in stance on lowering taxes and such. In addition, Scozzafava was in favor of card check, that hardly sounds fiscally conservative to me.
In any event, we agree then (I hope?), this isn't the success that the two-party system wants to make it out to be, it is a serious blow to the two-party system, especially the GOP, and shows that 3rd parties can be viable competitors, or at the very least, can change public policy.
Let's face facts. Hoffman may have had the conservative party label beside his name, but he was the de facto republican candidate and that fact was very well known by the voters in the district. It was NOT a real victory for third party candidacies.
Dolly, clean the blood off your sword and take a rest. You've earned it.
That was my point. I was addressing the ludicrous argument that he had a disadvantage as a "conservative in NY", as if the place was solid blue across every hill and dale in the state.
The Republicans thought "Hey - they got a Black guy, we'll get a Black guy." So they imported Mr. Keyes from the East Coast to run - just as Mr. Hoffman came from out of the 23rd District to run.
Quelle surprise - they both lost.
The important difference is to be best of our knowledge Mr. Hoffman doesn't still owe money from a failed campaign...
"But their success in Tuesday’s upstate New York special election, where grass-roots efforts pushed GOP nominee Dede Scozzafava to drop out of the race and helped Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman surge into the lead on the eve of Election Day, has generated more money and enthusiasm than organizers ever imagined."
From an article in today's POLITICO, linked on Yahoo News.
The article is about the surge in Conservative candidates challenging "moderate" Republicans in 2010, and basically about the nascent energy of this new Conservative movement.
You'll notice that nowhere in the above paragraph, nor anywhere else in the article, does POLITICO bother to point out that the "Conservative surge" LOST THE C-23 RACE!!!
Yes, literally it was. But not when you take into account that a Democrat has not won this seat for 150 YEARS!!
The number of the district is irrelevant. It's the counties being represented that's relevant.
1913–1919
Parts of Manhattan
1919–1969
Parts of The Bronx
1969–1971
Parts of The Bronx, Manhattan
1971–1973
Parts of The Bronx
1973–1983
Parts of The Bronx, Westchester
1983–1993
All of Albany, Schenectady
Parts of Montgomery, Rensselaer
Now? None of any of those counties are in NY 23. None. Before - urban areas. Now - the most lightly populated areas in the whole Northeast - it's so lightly populated that I think it's the biggest district east of the Mississippi!!! It has 4 good-sized cities in it, and the biggest of the 4 has about 27,000 people! All of the North Country has under 100,000 people!
Yes, literally it was. But not when you take into account that a Democrat has not won this seat for 150 YEARS!!
4.1 million
Votes in NY-23 race:
143,000
The left will focus on NY-23. If Doug Hoffman had won we would read stuff like this here from the usual lemmings: (foghorn, DellDolly, brabantio, Easy to Refute)
"Upstate NY, what a bunch of dumb, troglodyte, toothless hicks. Who cares what they think!"
Guarantee Owens loses in 2010.
There will be no GOP spilt and Dems won't put a dime into this race as they will be defending their hides all over the country.
There's already been GOP spilt...and it's making a mess.
As in your logic and liberal point of view
As in how you knee must feel after involuntarily jerking for at least nine years.
Peter A. Peyser Democratic January 3, 1979 –
January 3, 1983
Samuel S. Stratton Democratic January 3, 1983 –
January 3, 1989
Michael R. McNulty Democratic January 3, 1989 –
January 3, 1993
Sounds like that should have been a double digit blowout to me.
If this is not Communist China, then Glenn Beck is actually a sleeper agent for Hamas.
You missed the most important fact (as usual). A accountant from out of nowhere, backed by all the prominant nutjob politicians/hate radio-tv hosts, shows up to sabotage the Republican candidate.
Nice strategy.
Psst...stop digging.
You don't.
As evidence has clearly proven, you aren't.
And so scorn and ridicule is all you get. You want help? Come back with another screen name and act reasonably.
And your big finale is that he didn't loose by that much. Well okay, guess that proves that there really are a lot of people in that district who will vote for tea bags if Beck/Limpballs/Palin tell them to.
The End.