Contradicting Fox VP, Murdoch agrees with Beck: Obama is a racist
Following Glenn Beck's description of President Obama as a "racist" who has "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture," Fox News senior vice president of programming Bill Shine distanced the network from Beck's comments, reportedly saying that "Beck expressed a personal opinion which represented his own views, not those of the Fox News Channel." But in a recent interview with Sky News Australia, Rupert Murdoch, chairman of News Corp., the parent company of Fox News, said that Beck "was right" in his characterization.
Beck calls Obama racist, Fox executive distances network from comments
Beck: Obama a "racist" who has "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture." On the July 28 broadcast of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Beck discussed remarks Obama had made about the controversial arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates and declared that in his response to the arrest, Obama "exposed himself as a guy" with "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture." Beck added that Obama is a "racist."
Fox executive: Beck's opinion "represented his own views, not those of Fox News Channel." Later that day, Fox News senior vice president of programming Bill Shine issued the following statement to TVNewser.com: "During Fox & Friends this morning, Glenn Beck expressed a personal opinion which represented his own views, not those of the Fox News Channel. And as with all commentators in the cable news arena, he is given the freedom to express his opinions."
Murdoch on Beck's comments: "He was right"
Murdoch: Beck "was right," Obama is a "racist." In a November 6 interview with Sky News Australia political editor David Speers, Murdoch declared that while Beck "perhaps shouldn't have" said it, Beck was "right." From the interview:
SPEERS: The Glenn Beck, who you mentioned, has called Barack Obama a racist, and he helped organize a protest against him. Others on Fox have likened him --
MURDOCH: Yeah.
SPEERS: -- to Stalin. Is that defensible?
MURDOCH: No, no, no, not Stalin, I don't think. I don't know who that -- not one of our people. On the racist thing, that caused a [unintelligible]. But he did make a very racist comment, about, you know, blacks and whites and so on, and which he said in his campaign he would be completely above. And, you know, that was something which perhaps shouldn't have been said about the president, but if you actually assess what he was talking about, he was right.
This was in response to quantpro.
mmfa conjures up a premise for their outrage and then tosses in a world class red herring.
Murdoch did not at all contradict Shine, the Fox VP. Murdoch simply stated his opinion that Beck was correct...and Shine simply stated that Beck's opinion was his own...they are unrelated.
What's next around here...a blackboard and stick-on pictures?
I know you want to attribute their comments to me as you manufacture your own outrage, but you just look like an idiot in the process.
And Murdoch and the VP obviously are contradicting each other. Or don't you think that Murdoch represents Fox News?
Parse on Tommy!!! Parse on!!
As for the contradiction, Murdoch may represent and own Fox News, but he does not indicate that this is some official Fox News statement, he expressed his personal opinion on this matter as did the VP earlier. As Wesley said, they are unrelated.
You're twisting yourself in knots trying to defend these people.
Exactly what part of this is an "old news story"?
Just keep on blindly defending the racists and liars. I guess that's what you're here for.
I do know the difference between lies and opinion. You just lied when you said I defended them. Defend yourself.
You need schooling, and fast.
Enjoy your evening.
RO isn't obligated to speak for someone else, either. It's reasonable to claim that someone's take on a subjective matter is an opinion, whether they know what that person was specifically referring to or not.
I would also point out that "opinion" is not necessarily an excuse. If Limbaugh said that we should impeach Obama because the Presidency is a white man's job, that would be his opinion. It would still be utterly unacceptable.
I've been researching this one myself and so far can drudge up nothing.
The poster right ON insists "so what" it's just a "personal opinion" but even he can't point to the "very racist comment" Murdoch is opining about.
The "so what" refers to so what if Murdoch agrees or disagrees with the Fox VP or Beck or any of them, none of them are contradicting each other. That has no bearing on the incendiary nonsense of what any of them said.
Correctamundo...and that was the point that you and I raised...and had not one thing to do with the racial aspects of any of the comments.
Shine did not offer and opinion...he stated a company policy. Murdoch did offer an opinion. There can't be a contradiction of opinions when only one of them even offered an opinion.
mmfa just cooked up a reason to toss red meat to the zealots...ala Matt Drudge...which is becoming more and more of a staple around here.
"Murdoch contradicts Fox News policy as defined by VP Shine"
Fox News policy is they don't agree with Beck in this instance. Murdoch agrees with Beck. Therefore, Murdoch contradicts Fox News policy.
Definition of contradiction: to affirm the opposite of
This is not hard stuff.
Nope...because this subterfuge by mmfa has nothing to do with a contradiction...just rousing the rabble.
If you want to discuss the racial aspects of comments by Beck, Obama, and Murdoch...go for it.
But there is no contradiction of opinions between Shine and Murdoch...because Shine didn't offer an opinion.
Contradictions aside, what "very racist comment" is Murdoch referring to?
Any idea?
"Beck expressed a personal opinion which represented his own views, not those of the Fox News Channel."
He is referring to a single opinion from Beck that Fox News is apparently in disagreement with. He didn't make a general reference regarding all hosts' opinions and Fox News. And what a bold policy that would be. Hey hosts say darn thing you want but we are not taking any ownership of them, you're on your own. Boy what bravery.
To me this quote says Fox News does not agree with Beck in this instance but Fox News gives their hosts freedom of expression. The contradiction comes in the first part. Fox News disagrees with Beck, however Murdoch agrees with Beck and to some degree Murdoch represents Fox News. The contradiction has nothing to do with the Fox News policy that hosts opinions are not that of Fox News. The contradiction has to do with Fox News distancing themselves from Becks stupid comments and yet having their "owner" agreeing with those comments.
The statements are contradictory.
They aren't racists themselves, though. Don't forget that FOX NEWS has many black friends, which means they couldn't be racists.
great comment. kkk members had many blacks that they hung around with!
I really don't know what statement Roger is talking about? Someone, rigthOn, wesley, give this thread some real red meat slightly cooked.
For Beck and now Murdock to say the President is racist based on this incident demands an apology!!!This is the country's 1st Black President who happens to be the 1st called a racist on national TV by media personnel ..now a 2nd time..Disgusting!!!
There are a couple of newer threads opening...maybe you can get some action there.
The liberal sense of smell is quite keen when it comes to sniffing out this type of thing, you know?
Even ol' victor is trying to lure me into that racist trap...they're relentless...lol.
Murdoch and Beck are of the opinion that Obama made what they consider racist comments in his response to the Gates' incidents. I am of the opinion that Murdoch and Beck are full of crap. I don't need to say they lied to make my assessment of their opinion any more valid or forceful. Maybe you do.
I can't make it any clearer than that for you. Sorry.
It is a story, but that was not what Wesley nor I commented on. The thread is about Murdoch contradicing the Fox VP. But he did not, he offered his personal opinion, he did not contradict Fox policy at all. They are unrelated. It's race baiters that want to make it look like I am defending Murdoch/Beck, when I have repeatedly opined myself on their baseless charges of racism towards Obama.
Yes, Fox policy is to give their hosts freedom of expression.
Yes, Murdoch's opinion does not contradict this policy.
However, you are missing the point.
The VP of Fox News did not give his statement regarding Beck to explain the Fox News policy regarding their hosts having freedom of expression. He made his statement at the time to point out that Fox News does not agree with Becks opinion regarding Obama. However, Murdoch agrees with Beck. That's the contradition. Murdoch represents the entity we call "Fox News" (at least to some large degree). What the heck does it mean for Fox News to say it doesn't agree with Beck when it "owners" says he agree with Beck?
It's a valid story to cover, but it's not objective enough for "research". This is "County Fair" material.
But I think you are right. How much Murdoch represents Fox is subjective. My statement that Murdoch represent Fox to "some large degree" might be a bit strong. I do belive Murdoch's opinion is in contradiction with Fox News distancing themselves from Beck's opinion. The questions become, what is meant by the entity "Fox News" and how much does Murdoch represent that entity.
Why then is a News Corp spokesperson issuing statements on Murdock's charge that Beck was right in saying President Obama is a racist?
I do find it to be a story when the owner of a major media conglomerate makes a point of calling our president (the first black president) a racist. I think it is important to note that there is clearly a push underway from the right to be able to call anyone of color a racist, while at the same time being aghast whenever a white, right-winger is called a racist. It is a modern version of coded messages and race-baiting.
I have always given Murdoch the benefit of the doubt that he was an amoral, greedy moneyman. But, with comments like this, they seem to suggest that he is actually immoral and does see the job of his "journalists" to attack a president. I think it would be HUGE news if Jeffrey Immelt took the time to give his own "journalist" an interview where he called G-Dub a racist. It was a big story in the media when Kanye West called G-Dub a racist, and that guy is dismissed by nearly everyone.
Just stop watching Fox news and entertainment shows, pick one advertizer and let that person and Fox know that you will not watch the network at all until the hate and fear mongering stops.
WHAT CAN WE AND SHOULD DO ABOUT THIS?
SMTDL made a very good point:
"For Beck and now Murdock to say the President is racist based on this incident demands an apology!!!This is the country's 1st Black President who happens to be the 1st called a racist on national TV by media personnel ..now a 2nd time..Disgusting!!!"
SO WHAT WE CAN AND ARE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS, JUST SIT AND LISTEN WHITE EXTREMIST CALLING THE PRESIDENT "RACIST."
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THIS?
Can we stop calling Fox a news channel yet?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/harvard.gates.interview/index.html
that is exactly what O did. He said the police "acted stupidly" and he didn't have the facts and he admitted he was biased. That is prejudice and prejudice aimed at a skin color (white in this case) is racism.
Obama IS a racist. He should just admit it and endeavor to rise above his prejudiced views. Most of us do that, but not the Chosen One. Beck and Murdock are correct.
Now let's move on.
President Obama never said the officer was stupid but that the actions of the police (dept) in this instance were stupid.As a retired educator, I must say that reading comprehension and critical thinking are essential tools for decision-making and drawing conclusions.
Your grade is F.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/harvard.gates.interview/index.html
that is exactly what O did. He said the police "acted stupidly" and he didn't have the facts and he admitted he was biased. That is prejudice and prejudice aimed at a skin color (white in this case) is racism.
Obama IS a racist. He should just admit it and endeavor to rise above his prejudiced views. Most of us do that, but not the Chosen One. Beck and Murdock are correct.
Now let's move on." - egb
And you are a race-baiter. The fact that the police acted stupidly has nothing to do with what race the officer was. The police clearly agree they acted stupidly or charges would have been pressed. Clearly, you have not risen above your partisan, race-baiting views. Now, let's move on.