Quick fact: Beck guest host Gray baselessly claims there were "700,000 to a million" participants in 9-12 rally in DC
While guest hosting Glenn Beck's nationally syndicated radio show, Pat Gray claimed that "700,000 to a million" participated in the 9-12 March on Washington. Gray's baseless claim echoed numerous conservative media figures, but a D.C. Fire Department official estimated 9-12 March crowds at 60,000 to 75,000 people.
Gray claims that "700,000 to a million -- nobody really knows, but it was probably at least 700,000 people on the mall on 9-12."
From the November 10 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:
GRAY: Since we've been off with this appendix situation since last - I guess last Thursday - a lot has happened since then, including Nancy Pelosi the House version of the health care bill on Saturday night. When does that ever happen on a major bill like that? Despite the fact that 700,000 to a million - nobody really knows, but it was probably at least 700,000 people on the mall on 9-12. Despite those people all being opposed, despite 5- or 10,000 showing up last Thursday on a weekday at noon, a weekday, non-holiday, just an average workday for Americans, that many people drove from all over the country to show up and express their displeasure with this bill.
Fact: D.C. Fire Department official estimated 9-12 March crowds at 60,000 to 75,000 people
Gray's remarks echo other media conservatives, including Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin and Fox & Friends co-hosts Steve Doocy and Gretchen Carlson, who cited participant numbers in the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, and millions. In fact, a D.C. Fire Department official estimated 9-12 March crowds at 60,000 to 75,000 people.
Wow, it's almost as if they can't keep their story straight.
The one that doesn't run counter to their "facts"
Reagan/G.H.W.Bush nearly tripled the debt and raised taxes 7 times - Of course all the wingers talk about is Reagan cut taxes
Bush II doubled the debt and had worst job creatiion in US History
If you missed these facts, you must live in the alternate reality too where facts don't interfere with "conservatism"
Fact, Media Matters is false,
MMFA stated the truth.
It would be you who is lying.
And, on top of that, we can closely guesstimate the range of people who attended the 9/12 events based upon Metro ridership.
There were more than 10 times as many extra round trips on the Metro on Inauguration Day as extra people took trips on the Metro on 9/12.
That means that there were about 10 times fewer people at this event. The number of round trips on the Metro on 9/12? Around 35,000 to 40,000.
It was a huge demonstration and lying to us isn't helping me trust you folks very much.
Only when you count each of the participants' multiple personalities... :-)
In reference to the September 12th Tea Party event held in Washington DC, quoting a “DC Fire Department Report”, regardless of what any media reported, the size of the crowd of those who attended this event were never estimated by DC Fire & EMS. Any reports contrary to this are false. The DC Fire & EMS Department does not estimate crowd sizes.
A Twitter posting estimating the crowd gathering at Freedom Plaza only as “large, possibly as many as 60 thousand” stated that it was an early estimation of that specific area (Freedom Plaza), not the number of participants in the event.
http://newsroom.dc.gov/list.aspx/agency/fems
And we have a pretty good idea from Metro ridership that it had to be under 100,000 or so.
It wasn't 7 to 10 times that large. And that's the point. Not whether or not there was any official estimate or not.
But, as we all know, when you can't challenge the factual information, trolls like you try to derail the thread.
We all know fireman are only fireman because they couldn't get real jobs plus they are notoriously biased against truth or they would have been cops. Plus they were DC fireman and we all know DC is full of teh liberals.
IT'S ALL RIGHT THERE FOR YOU TO SEE IF YOU JUST LOOK HARD ENOUGH.
In reference to the September 12th Tea Party event held in Washington DC, quoting a “DC Fire Department Report”, regardless of what any media reported, the size of the crowd of those who attended this event were never estimated by DC Fire & EMS. Any reports contrary to this are false. The DC Fire & EMS Department does not estimate crowd sizes.
A Twitter posting estimating the crowd gathering at Freedom Plaza only as “large, possibly as many as 60 thousand” stated that it was an early estimation of that specific area (Freedom Plaza), not the number of participants in the event.
http://cid-8fa5718388d6cbd2.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/9%2012%20March%20on%20DC
Frame four shows the crowd with magnification at about 1:45 PM, Frame Seven shows the march to the Capitol in progress at about Noon. I got off the Metro opposite the National Archieves. It was a loose and flowing crowd. When I was leaving, many, many others were leaving, too. I passed several trash cans full of discarded posters.
Seeing as how the House just passed Health care reform and all. Senate is taking it up now, and plurality of people within the United States want it. I mean, it must just be dying, or you're believing the small short term elections that were held where the republicans lost a seat they'd held since the Civil War, and another democrat was elected to the House as well.
Thing is, conservatism, or I should say, tea partyism is dead. Was never alive to begin with. We saw that with the defeat of your carpet bagging candidate in NY, and also the repudiation of Palin in recent polling numbers that suggest 1 out of 10 would vote for her as President.
With folks like you representing the republican party, the democrats shouldn't even worry.
So let's hope that republican party awoke and sees where its hopes for victory lay. Otherwise, we'll be citizens of venezualamerica pretty soon.
Speaking truth to/about progressives and shout outs to dr. joe medicine crow!
Incidentally, if you thought that we liberals were under the impression that Democrats would win every local, state, and national election for the rest of the history of the United States....you were wrong.
We were just really excited at having stomped your Republican asses last November, that's all.
you need to check your facts. your great conservative hope entered the race a couple weeks after the republican did.
How does this equate to President Obama... you even quote statistics like they support your point.
California has had Republican Governors almost exclusively in the last 50 years (beside's the Brown's and Duke) it's been all republicans.
Yet for the President, California has voted Democratic each election except when Reagan or Nixon were running (native sons)
In the height of the Reagan 80s, Texas had a Democratic Governor... so the whole idea that two Governor races in NJ and Virginia demonstrate how the entire country has turned on Obama is false. It's really just a demonstration of how desparate the right is to find any validation of their unfounded belief system.
Do you ever get anything right? No campaign promises were broken, and we've already told you that in the last couple of days - how is it that info goes in your eyes and out your butt so quickly?
And the 23rd represented counties near Albany in the 80's and 90's, dum-dum! We've debunked that argument too, many times. The district that's known as NY-23 now covers counties that haven't been represented, for the most part, since the 1800's! Get a clue.
I do think your "speaking truth..." slogan gets cuter every time you're shown to be completely confused and full of shyte.
For you and markyfoot; a DC Fire department official gave an estimate. It was not an official estimate. Re-read this as slowly and carefully as you both can, until the urge to put on the clown shoes once again goes away.
That was on the same day.
In the construct that a state's population votes either Democratic or Republican as a whole, ignoring the wildly different dynamics between national and state politics, how would such a result be possible?
What's also amusing is how you grasp the concept of how specific details in NY-23 might have an influence in their election, while other races are simply a commentary about the left in general.
Very sad.
ps binky,
Thanks for stopping with the overloaded capping of those important comments of your's. You were beginning to draw blood!
What do you have against giving a shout out to dr. joe medicine crow anyway?
If anything, you can see for yourself another typical right-winger who has a hard time accepting reality.
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/rally625sep13.jpg
http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/091014-crowd-counting-vlg330p.widec.jpg
That video evidence you mention? Totally debunked too - the person who posted it dishonestly collapsed a time lapse to make it look like the march took much longer than it did.
And the college student who dishonestly portrayed himself as an independent observer who could make realistic estimates of the crowd size based upon that dishonest video? Also debunked by yours truly and others. He made gross mathematical errors, and used flawed assumptions, the worst being that people marching take up as little space as a crowd standing still. He overestimated the crowd by a huge degree because of these multiple errors and omissions.
The only number that can be used is the Metro ridership, comparing this Saturday in question with last year's similar Saturday in September, and doing that one comes up with less than 100,000, not 7-10 times that many.
In reference to the September 12th Tea Party event held in Washington DC, quoting a “DC Fire Department Report”, regardless of what any media reported, the size of the crowd of those who attended this event were never estimated by DC Fire & EMS. Any reports contrary to this are false. The DC Fire & EMS Department does not estimate crowd sizes.
A Twitter posting estimating the crowd gathering at Freedom Plaza only as “large, possibly as many as 60 thousand” stated that it was an early estimation of that specific area (Freedom Plaza), not the number of participants in the event.
I had done exactly as you have been doing here for the what, a year or more that I have been seeing your many posts? only I have been banned from three right-wing sites posting as you do here all the time, of course, I was posting truth and facts.
Just thought I'd mention my observation - back to our regularly scheduled thread...
An astounding number of people milled about at the suggestion of Glen Beck, an outstanding dullard. A literal cabal of willfull ignorance.
And if it was about killing people who don't want to follow his religion, why would he not target a church, and why would he wait so long to go on the rampage?
I would like to see his journal he uses to take notes in his pursuit of understanding the minds of lefties;
"These creatures seem to use their reading comprehension and critical thinking skills to absorb facts, applying logic to understand things.This process seems to override what we Real Americans are led to believe by the media. Most peculiar!"
This photo clearly has a screen in front of the pool:
http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/091014-crowd-counting-vlg330p.widec.jpg
This one does not:
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/rally625sep13.jpg
Here is another photo from that day that has no screen in front of the pool:
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/capitol-view-lo-res.jpg
The Washington Post reported that the protest had tens of thousands. Washington Post has a long history of reporting protests and know how to estimate crowds. There is no way to get from tens of thousands to one million. I don't care how you do it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/12/AR2009091200971_pf.html