Quick fact: Hannity cites Morris' false claim that jail is a penalty for failure to buy insurance under health bill
Sean Hannity falsely claimed that Americans face jail time as a penalty for failure to buy insurance under the House health care bill.
From the November 10 edition of Fox News' Hannity:
HANNITY: Alright, Dick Morris was on the program last night. Penalties for people who don't get government-mandated health insurance, uh, jail time, a possibility?
Fact: Penalty for failure to purchase insurance is a tax, not jail time
As Media Matters for America has documented several times, Section 501 of the House health care bill provides that an individual must be "covered by acceptable coverage at all times." "Acceptable coverage" includes "qualified health benefits plan coverage," "grandfathered health insurance coverage," "Medicare," "Medicaid," coverage provided to members of the armed forces and their dependants, "coverage under the veteran's health care program," people who receive health care "through the Indian Health Service," or other coverage deemed acceptable by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. If a person does not have acceptable health care coverage, Section 501 imposes a tax on that person "not to exceed the applicable national average premium."
Fact: Willful failure to pay taxes of any sort can result in civil or criminal penalties
A press release by Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI) relying on a letter from the Joint Committee on Taxation states that "Americans who do not maintain 'acceptable health insurance coverage' and who choose not to pay the bill's new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years." That section of the letter dealing with "civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance" specifies that Camp asked the committee to "discuss the situation in which the taxpayer has chosen not to comply with individual mandate and not to pay the additional tax." Thus, the letter is not discussing the penalties for failure to buy insurance, but the penalties for both failing to buy insurance and failing to pay the tax. The committee's letter explains that the tax code provides penalties to prevent tax evasion of any sort: "The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax." [Joint Committee on Taxation letter, 11/5/09]
Too bad there has never been a free market in health insurance.
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Unless you mean that paying public school teachers less would lead to better public schools.
Magnolia, you don't need to play into the "private vs public" thing because there are a myriad of other factors that affect school performance besides teacher pay.
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There is no such thing of which Cheney speaks, there never has been and there is no society on earth that has ever built lasting prosperity on a laissez-faire economy of so called "free markets" the likes of which these utopians would like to install. Markets are composed of people, not the other way around. If the country were to be wiped out by H1N1, the market would go with us. It wouldn't take care of itself as market fundies like to have us believe.
Since we humans comprise markets, we get to make the rules accordingly and collectively. When we see the need to step in and regulate the market, we get to do that. If we choose to do so through government, that's our prerogative because we control markets. Markets do not control us.
You put forth the implication that had insurance companies been left to the free market all would be hunky-dory.
I simply showed where your market fundamentalism flawed.
Question for you: You don't have a job, you are laid off or you make just enough to make ends meet. How are you going to purchase this forced taxation of health insurance? NOTE: Getting a unionized stimulus job is not a legitimate answer.
The people who are here illegally win with this piece off garbage. They are exempt and not subject to any of it, and can still walk into a hospital for free care. Illegal might be the way to go. Just think: Pay no taxes, get free health care and take your job away, while your forced to except it and like it.
If you don't have a job, and are laid off, and can't afford insurance on your own, this is WHY this bill is trying to get passed, because then, there would be the public option that so many of you are harping about. It would help these folks to buy insurance so that they would be covered.
People that are here illegally are not going to "win" with this bill, because they still don't get covered. Are they going to go into ERs sometimes? Yes, they are, but most times they're not going to go in for care, because they're scared they might get snet back from whence they came. They're a lot less taxing on the system then folks want to portray, because it's an easy boogeyman to throw out. And I'm pretty sure that no illegal aliens are going to force me out of a job, as it is for most Americans. And the thing is, most illegal aliens still pay taxes on their earnings (most of the time with fake SS numbers), but guess what? They're still paying into the system, some of which, will again, be used to subsidize people who can't get coverage on their own.
So you are OK with slave labor? (Reaping benifits off the backs of those oppressed).
Your also OK with Identity theft? (Fake SSI #'s is theft)
Your also OK with GOOD hard working Americans loosing their jobs to someone Illegal, whom is willing to do the same job for less pay, yet you screem for better wages?
You need to look more closly at your nearest big town or city. What you don't see is how many are paid under the table. What you don't see is how much money they send back home, What you don't see is how many live in one house (Cities are just now starting to bring occupancy laws into affect).
I have a client who is in charge of 11 muti millon dollar worker comp claims by illeagals, whom thier employers never paid one dime into the WC fund. This strains the fund and causes premiums to go up. BIG GOVERNMENT Regulation is to blame for this.
Your claim that they are scared to go to the hospital is false: Otherwise their wouldn't be so many legal children by Illegal parents. (Your tax dollars helped pay for birth and care). Parents also not deported.
And don't give us that crap about government stifling business. Nothing in the private sector could flourish without the protections and support government has provided.
Also, the insurance industry has had its way with you and the insurance bureaucrats decided put their personal gain above your health by profiting from denying you care. I will not listen to any sob stories about how those poor victimized fat cats have been held down.
Because no matter that you say we will ram this bill through because we know what is best for you. We don't want any questions on whether it will work or not, that just muddies the water needlessly.
You aren't trying to fix anything that's wrong with the insurance industry and you're not making reality based arguments against reform.
All you righties are doing is complaining about everybody who is working in earnest to keep people from getting bent over by an industry that profits by denying you care.
Ha!! That's a good one. Guess you missed the fact that most states have an insurance monopoly of 75% or greater.
That's also called "government regulation", genius.
Uh, I don't think so. Maybe you can explain to me how it is, because you seem to be quite confused.
And yes, I am a genius.
No, of course not..not in Liberal Lunatic World
I will refuse and will go to jail. I suspect many others will too. People too poor to pay the fine, people too rich to have to buy insurance and ornery people like myself. As more and more people chose the civil disobedience route, the system will become strained paying for jails and covering the lost tax revenues from those put in jail. That will result in deeper deficits and reduced medical services.
The final straw will be a tax payers revolt which will bring Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare crashing down. Unlike John Galt, we won't have to leave the country. We will just have to refuse to participate.
HR3962 is the dumbest way to get universal health care imaginable. Forcing people to buy insurance is the surest path to economic ruin through the paths that I mention above and others yet to be discovered.
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Do you have a job currently that provides coverage? Chances are pretty good that like me, you do have a job that provides benefits. So you're good to go.
You can refuse to participate if you want, but there will be civil penalties for that.
Yes, people who don't pay taxes go to jail. Not people who fail to buy insurance!
But, as we so often see, when you have been backed into a corner, and can't fight the factual evidence presented to you, you often choose to make unfounded personal attacks that have nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
People won't get jailed for WHY they owe money. People get jailed because they owe money.
People don't get jailed for the reasons that caused them to owe taxes that they didn't pay. It's the failure to pay that gets them in trouble.
There is no jail penalty for failing to buy insurance!
How many times do you need to be told this before you'll understand it?
I exaggerated for effect. He lied. There is no jail penalty for failing to purchase insurance.
There is no jail penalty for earning money from a small business. The 'penalty' for making money from a small business is that you have to pay taxes on your earnings. If you don't pay taxes, then you could go to jail as a result!
There is no jail penalty for removing funds from an IRA before you turn 59. However, there is a financial penalty owed for that withdrawl, and if you fail to pay the required taxes that result from that penalty, you could go to jail!!!!!
It would be false to say that jail is a penalty for removing funds from an IRA. It's not.
But please, let me know if you still don't get this, and I will continue to explain it to you. And every time you expose yourself as not being able to understand this simple concept, please know that a bunch of liberals are laughing at you, very entertained.
Do you think there might be a difference between saying you hope something happens and saying that something will happen, as far as interpretation is concerned?
Hyperbole in this case would require that jail time were a never-used but potential penalty for his statement that jail time is a penalty for failure to buy insurance to be an exaggeration.
I think you need to look up the word exaggeration to understand the proper usage. Morris didn't overstate something. He didn't make it worse than it was - he made it totally different than what it was.
And Dick Morris' comments can never be hyperbole, since there is nothing from which to exaggerate. Jail time is not a penalty for failing to buy insurance, and is only a possibility from failing to pay taxes owed.
If you value consistency, which Sue doesn't give a rat's behind about, then they could both be perceived and explained exactly the same way.
Dick Morris wasn't exaggerating. It's a false claim. He didn't exaggerate anything for effect. He was mistaking the penalty for failing to pay taxes owed for the penalty for failing to purchase insurance.
They are two different things. As you admitted below, there is no jail time penalty for withdrawing money from an IRA, nor is there a possibility of jail time for failing to buy insurance.
I understand it's frustrating to you to be wrong, and have it be proven conclusively. That's why you brought up a comment I made where I grossly exaggerated my feelings about GCC deniers for effect. That has nothing to do with this, but you had to throw out a personal attack since you were so flustered. We get that. Too bad, so sad.
They both can't be perceived and explained in exactly the same way. Not at all. Morris and Hannity conflated one thing with another. That's not hyperbole. That's a false claim.
Face it, you could use your exaggeration excuse for nearly every one of your posts, since they could easily fall under the title of hyperbole, or nonsense.
Face it, you could use your exaggeration excuse for nearly every one of your posts, since they could easily fall under the title of hyperbole, or nonsense.
He didn't exaggerate. I did.
He lied. The penalty for failing to purchase required insurance is a financial penalty, not jail time.
This is not rocket science. And it's not an exaggeration by Morris.
If the penalty for failing to not get insuranca and not paying the tax is jail, then in essentially there is the possibility of going to jail for failure to be part of the government health care program.
No one has said that it's not possible that jail could be a result after someone fails to buy insurance and then fails to pay taxes owed.
But what Morris said and what Hannity said isn't true! The penalty is not for failing to buy insurance. The jail penalty option is for failing to pay taxes owed.
No one can go to jail for withdrawing money from an IRA is exactly my point, dum-dum. But they can from failing to pay the penalties associated with that withdrawl.
You made my point with your casual dismissal of mine. How precious!
No one can go to jail for not buying health insurance - only for failure to pay the penalties assessed for not buying the insurance!
Oh, you are so very, very entertaining when you get flustered.
No admission that he was proven wrong of course.
And I expect a reply now, claiming that he wasn't proven wrong. But of course he was.
MMFA is totally right here - it's a false claim to say that a potential penalty for failing to purchase insurance is jail time, because it's not a potential penalty for lack of insurance. It's not splitting hairs. It's not a logical progression. It's none of the things he's argued for here.
However, if someone makes the claim that you can go to jail for withdrawing an IRA, technically it's not inaccurate, it's just not the correct order of things. So I apologize for my defense of this jail argument. I could boil it down to parsing nonsense of that technicality, but I don't do that classic liberal technique, sorry to disappoint.
If there are laws that include jail time for failing to keep up with your lawn maintenance, then you can be arrested and jailed for it. There's nothing here that allows for jail time for failing to buy insurance.
No one made a claim that you can go to jail for withdrawing an IRA. I made the claim that one cannot be made to go to jail for withdrawing from an IRA! And it would be inaccurate to say that you can't go to jail for withdrawing money from an IRA!! You don't go to jail for earning money from a small business either! You go to jail if you fail to pay the taxes that are owed from that income! This is not rocket science.
I swear - you can't even get it right when you're trying to pretend that you're admitting you're wrong! How funny! And how lame. And how flustered you still were with this reply that you couldn't resist throwing out a couple more personal attacks!
What really mystifies me is how you could possibly think that I was saying that jail was an "optional punishment" when RO referenced my argument as a reason for agreeing with you on your IRA comparison. Was your point that jail time was an optional punishment for early withdrawal of IRA funds? No? Then then how the hell could my point have been relevant to a concession to your point?
You know, you don't have to dispute every single thing that RO says. If he concedes a point, then that's a good thing. I do believe you've also commented on RO's general ability to admit error. He's done so here. Are you capable of doing the same, or are you going to continue to pretend that I said something I didn't?
And I don't dispute everything he says in a kneejerk fashion. And if you don't understand why his admission of an error is fatally flawed, then I don't know what to say.
Below is what you said. I read that as saying that there could be a jail penalty for failure to mow one's lawn. That's not analogous to this situation. So, if you were saying that you can't got to jail for failure to mow your lawn, but if you got a fine for failure to mow your lawn, and you didn't pay that fine, and you went to jail for THAT failure, then great. But that's not what I read, and I don't think that's what you wrote. I am more than willing to concede that if that's what you meant, then you and I are in agreement. I was never pretending anything. I read what you wrote.
You know, you could be jailed for failing to mow your lawn, too.
You could be jailed for anything which your state or national government has any control over, because there's always a final step. You can get fined or sentenced to probation or community service, but if you fail to comply to lesser punishments you might go to jail.
But nobody ever looks at a lawn that's one inch too high and says "you could go to jail for that". You'd look at that person like they were nuts, because it's just not how the language works.
Thank you.
This is just a forced taxation, just to be able to live. UUUH That's why abortions will be covered, To avoid pain and suffering from the get go.
What happened to the right to LIFE AND LIBERTY? Does anybody remmember the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE, and why it was written?
If your poor now, just wait till this bill takes affect. You'll be POORER, if not in jail for willful tax evasion.
The Declaration of Independence, while being a founding document of our country, has no force of LAW. That's the Constitution.
If you're poor now, and this goes through, you'll have the public option, subsidized by the fed government to help you purchase health insurance. Remember, that public option you guys don't want??
Again, you are wrong.
PROOF provided.
Fact: Penalty for failure to purchase insurance is a tax, not jail time (From above)
"Americans who do not maintain 'acceptable health insurance coverage' and who choose not to pay the bill's new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years." (Also from above)
When I first read all posts similar to this I was absolutely lost. This is my first time on this website, and I think it is pretty funny to read the title then the two pieces they post as fact.
Jail for failing to pay taxes, any taxes owed for any reason, is different than being assessed that tax.
If you do not have health insurance through an employer, YOU will have to PURCHASE health insurance from the government. If you do not, they will penalize you with a tax/fee. Per the Media Matters research above, if you do not pay the tax/fee the government has the right to put you in jail.
As for your comment about who is paying for the program, who do you think will end up paying for all of the new taxes on medical devices, penalties on employers big and small, etc. The costs of goods and services go up (or wages go down) and we all pay for it....rich, middle class and poor.
Jail time is NOT a penalty for failure to buy insurance.
Jail time is a very, very, very, very, very remote possibility for people who fail to pay their taxes due.
Jail time is NOT a penalty for failure to buy insurance.
Jail time is a penalty for failure to pay owed taxes.
How many more times do we need to say this before you understand this?
Yes, if you do not get insurance through your employer, you will have to buy it, and again, with the public option, part of that cost is going to get subsidized (just like with employer provided insurance) by the government for those that can't afford to pay for it all themselves. If you don't get the insurance, you could face a penalty, but only the people not paying their taxes, have the potential to go to jail, not the uninsured people. Maybe Maineiac should re-read it again.
Under the proposal, only folks within the top 0.3% of money earners in the United States will pay for this program. There are no new taxes being proposed on medical devices. We're all paying for a somewhat broken system now, which is why, for example, health care costs have risen quite steadily over the last decade, with no increase in care quality.
In your defense of MM bogus point you are now splitting atoms.
I didnt find the words very very very very anywhere in my research or the MM research. That must be your opinion based upon a trust that you have in the government. I lost that trust during the Bush Presidency and I'm not giving it back.
Bottom line - dont get insurance, dont pay the penalty and the government has the authority to send you to jail.
Split hairs by separating the lack of insurance from the penalty from jail as you wish.
If you don't pay taxes that are owed, then a penalty available is to send you to jail.
There is no jail penalty available if you don't buy insurance.
It's not the same thing. It's not splitting hairs. It's facts that are being exposed by MMFA that your side isn't understanding, and I am further explaining, since your side doesn't get it.
But go ahead, and continue to show everyone that when you get backed into a corner, instead of admitting that the comprehension failures here were from your side, show us that all you can do is make personal attacks. That's a sure way to continue to lose any credibility you have left.
Please, don't stop.
If you don't buy insurance and you fail to pay that penalty, you could be jailed, but what you would be jailed for is NOT failing to buy insurance - it'd be for failing to pay owed taxes.
This is not rocket science. It's fact, but it's very simple fact that almost anyone can understand. Sorry it's tough for you. That's why I explained it again even after MMFA had already explained it.
See, we already understood it. Dick Morris made a false claim. Hannity echoed it.
It's not the same thing as jail time that is a penalty for failing to pay taxes.
Each time you prove that you are the one who can't understand this simple logic, it only makes you look bad, not me.
The penalty for not buying insurance is a tax. It's not jail time.
I never said that there was no "penalty" for failure to buy insurance.
There is a mandate to buy insurance. The penalty for not buying insurance is a tax.
For many failures to pay taxes owed, jail time is a potential penalty.
But the penalty is not for the reason you failed to pay taxes. The penalty is for the failure to pay.
If you get a 50 average in a class at school, you will get an F and fail the class. It doesn't matter why you only got a 50 average - if you wanted to fail the class because you had the hots for the teacher and so wanted to repeat the class, or because you took a class that was beyond your capabilities or because you had too heavy of a load with other responsibilities or because you just failed to turn in the work required to get a better grade. It doesn't matter what the reason was. You aren't given an F because you took too heavy of a load, or because you didn't want to turn in the work. You're given an F because your work product for that class gave you a 50, and a 50 equates to an F. The reason doesn't matter. The penalty isn't for the reason. It's for the result.
The jail time isn't for the failure to buy insurance. It's for the resultant failure to pay taxes owed.
It's not jail time. Jail time is a penalty for failure to pay taxes owed.
I have no desire to defend the penalties that have been proscribed for failing to buy insurance, nor are they part of this topic.
I see that you're desperately trying to change the subject.
The merits of that penalty don't matter in regard to Morris and Hannity's lies about what potential penalty there is for failure to buy insurance. The penalty is a fine, not jail time.
If you dont pay the tax that was assessed to you BECAUSE YOU DIDNT BUY HEALTH INSURANCE the government has the power to send you jail.
Take a look at some of the other posts and threads about the 'jail' comments. We must all have 'comprehension failure'.
The jail penalty is not because of the reason you owe taxes. It doesn't MATTER why you owe the taxes and failed to pay them that makes jail time an option. Jail time is an optional penalty for failing to pay taxes owed.
Not for failing to buy insurance.
And yeah, there are many people who have comprehension failure, or pretend to, that's true. That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or that people aren't pretending that it exists in this case!
I saw your word parsing that tried to insist it was about "could", not "will". It isn't about those words though - never was. Jail time is not a penalty for failure to buy insurance.
What people owe taxes for is not relevant to whether or not the taxes are due!
And if people owe taxes and don't pay them, they are subject to imprisonment, although it almost never, ever happens.
If people don't purchase health insurance when they are supposed to, they aren't subject to imprisonment! They are only subject to a fine/tax.
Yes, it's a possibility, but we have had this system in place for a long time now, so it shouldn't be a surprise to you right-wingers that the IRA will come after you.
I know that most people who owe taxes are not jailed as a result of those taxes owed. Sorry if you aren't aware enough of life in these United States to also be as well-informed as I am - too bad, so sad. It's a very small percentage of tax avoiders and evaders who go to jail.
The average amount of money owed by tax evaders charged with criminal offenses (what one would have to be charged with in order to have jail time as a penalty) is in the tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars, and not even all those people who are convicted go to jail.
But those who go to jail go there because they failed to file, not because of why they owed!
Hannity cited Morris, who said that people go to jail because of WHY THEY OWED a penalty. But you don't go to jail because of why you owe money. You go to jail because you didn't pay what you owed!
PS to Dolly - When I use quotation marks sometimes it posts as weird looking symbols. Scroll up, you said very very very very very. :)
Is it really that hard for you to string these things together, that the reason you are assessed the tax that you failed to pay doesn't matter?
And I KNOW that I said that, you dum-dum. But I wasn't quoting anyone else, and you said that you couldn't find my comment anywhere else - as if I could only use those words if I was quoting someone else!
Gosh you're dense. Really dense.
You could be jailed for anything which your state or national government has any control over, because there's always a final step. You can get fined or sentenced to probation or community service, but if you fail to comply to lesser punishments you might go to jail.
But nobody ever looks at a lawn that's one inch too high and says "you could go to jail for that". You'd look at that person like they were nuts, because it's just not how the language works.
You aren't jailed for failing to mow your lawn.
You'd be jailed for failing to pay the fine you got for failing to mow your grass, or failure to pay the city bill when they came and mowed the grass for you, or failure to follow a judge's instructions, so you got jailed for contempt of court.
But you wouldn't be getting jailed for failure to cut your grass. You'd be going to jail for something else.
Unless there is a law that says that you can get a jail term for failing to cut your grass. And if that's the case, then this analogy doesn't work at all, because there is no option whatsoever to get a jail sentence for failure to purchase insurance.
Please explain how you read "fail to comply to lesser punishments" as meaning "direct punishment for failing to mow your lawn". Also explain how saying that you could be jailed for "anything" would suggest that you could be directly put in jail for "anything". Would the suggestion be that all laws contain provisions for jail terms, or what?
This shouldn't have needed clarification in the first place, and I wasn't asking you for much. I just don't like being misrepresented. Either go line-by-line through my post and explain how your interpretation can possibly be justified, or let it go. I don't expect you'll find it in you to just admit that you didn't read something correctly, for some reason. It shouldn't be that big of a deal.
You know, you could be jailed for failing to mow your lawn, too.
Nope. You can't.
You could be jailed for anything which your state or national government has any control over, because there's always a final step.
The final step for failing to mow your lawn is a fine, just like the final step for failing to buy insurance is a monetary penalty.
You can get fined or sentenced to probation or community service, but if you fail to comply to lesser punishments you might go to jail.
If you fail to comply with lesser punishments, you will be charged with greater offenses, and for those greater offenses, you might go to jail. But you aren't going to jail for failure to mow your lawn, which is what you said, repeatedly. Failure to comply with lesser punishments gets you greater charges. You never said that additional charges could be applied.
But nobody ever looks at a lawn that's one inch too high and says "you could go to jail for that".
You can't go to jail for failure to mow your lawn.
You'd look at that person like they were nuts, because it's just not how the language works.
Not only is it not how the language works, but it's not an accurate explanation of why the argument that the righty's have been making fails. That's why I said that your argument doesn't work.
Their argument - if you fail to buy insurance, you could go to jail. Your argument, if you fail to mow your lawn, you could go to jail.
And it's because of the way that you framed your argument that I don't think it really works. I understand the why of what you said, but I don't think your argument debunks theirs - I think it supports theirs. I understand that you meant that the original crime doesn't get you into jail, but I think you further their argument when you imply that there's a direct correlation between the offense and the jail term, and there's not.
However, I'm thrilled that you've finally figured out that I meant that the original crime doesn't get anyone into jail. Obviously when you told me "But you wouldn't be getting jailed for failure to cut your grass. You'd be going to jail for something else." you were under the impression that I was saying something other than that. Progress is good.
"Americans who do not maintain 'acceptable health insurance coverage' and who choose not to pay the bill's new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years."
WTF?
Jail time is a very, very, very, very, very remote possibility for people who fail to pay their taxes due.
Jail time is NOT a penalty for failure to buy insurance.
Jail time is a penalty for failure to pay owed taxes.
Jail time is NOT a penalty for failure to buy insurance.
Again, WTF?
Never trust what they say, it's usually a smokescreen for what they really want.
You could be jailed for the failure to pay the fine. It's not a penalty for failure to buy insurance.
Again, WTF is so difficult about this simple concept that you fellows can't grasp it?
If you choose to withdraw funds from an IRA before the legal, penalty-free time to do so, there is a penalty for doing so.
And if you fail to pay that penalty, the IRS will come after you, and will try to force you to pay that penalty. And if you fail to pay that penalty, they can jail you.
And they aren't jailing you for removing money from the IRA. They're jailing you for failing to pay the penalty.
The poor have MEDICAID, The rich can afford it and the middle class will now be clobbered.
IF it was free choice, then why was it linked to the IRS?
Answer: The IRS is the only agency with the unlimited powers to enforce this.
What is next: Telling you what you can/cannot eat? Telling you where to live? What car you can drive? Where you can work? OOHH Yea, They are already working on it.
It will take less than 1% of the population to revolt against this, to jam up the courts. And if all of them get jaill time, it will cause a major break down of the currently overcrowded jail system.
Just a note: I've been wanting to get insurance, but can't due to BIG GOVERNMENT REGULATION BEING IN THE WAY.
The issue is that if one DOES choose to withdraw money from an IRA, then you are subject to taxes for that early withdrawl. You can't be sent to jail as a result of that early withdrawl - ONLY taxes and other monetary penalties can be assessed as a penalty!
The penalty for failure to pay taxes owed can be jail time. But not for failure to buy insurance.
It's pretty simple, and pretty stupid that you still don't get it. Even RightON had to finally admit defeat here, and that's an accomplishment.
You put money into an IRA to delay tax obligations on money earned. The taxes and penalties are deducted before you get the money, so jail time will not occur for tax evasion on an IRA early withdraw.
You DO NOT have a choice to purchase health insurance ( You must OR ELSE ).
"Resistance is futile, young Jedi".
The tax penalty is just a ruse, for the real out come. You people always want to hide behind going around "Y" to get from "A" to "B".
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It was merely a statement for discussion, not a false claim.
It is not a possibility.
The penalty for failure to purchase insurance is a monetary fine. It is never jail time. Jail time is not a possible penalty for not buying mandated insurance.
Just because you lie cleverly doesn't mean its not a lie ..ask your mom