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Right-wing blogs promote global warming skeptic who falsely claims volcanoes to blame for CO2 in the atmosphere

November 13, 2009 12:46 pm ET — 19 Comments

Right-wing blogs the Drudge Report and BigGovernment.com are promoting a London Telegraph article on an Australian scientist's arguments that carbon dioxide emissions are "not causing" the Earth to warm, that global warming is natural, and that it is not caused by human emissions. However, one of geologist Ian Plimer's central assertions in the article -- that volcanoes are the primary source for carbon dioxide in the atmosphere -- is false; moreover, Plimer's claims about global warming have been widely criticized and challenged by other experts.

Drudge, BigGovernment.com promote "scientist" who says CO2 is "not causing" warming

Drudge Report: "Scientist: CO2 not causing global warming..." Internet gossip Matt Drudge linked to the Telegraph article on the Drudge Report with the headline, ""Scientist: CO2 not causing global warming..." From the Drudge Report:

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BigGovernment.com: "Scientist: CO2 Not Causing Climate Change." Andrew Breitbart's website BigGovernment.com also linked to the Telegraph article with the headline, "Scientist: CO2 Not Causing Climate Change." From BigGovernment.com:

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But in the article, one of Plimer's central claims about CO2 emissions is false

Telegraph: Plimer says "[w]e cannot stop carbon emissions because most of them come from volcanoes." The November 11 Telegraph article says that Plimer "argues that a recent rise in temperature around the world is caused by solar cycles" and that "carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, widely blamed for global warming, is a natural phenomenon caused by volcanoes erupting." From the article:

Professor Ian Plimer, a geologist from Adelaide University, argues that a recent rise in temperature around the world is caused by solar cycles and other "extra terrestrial" forces.

He said carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, widely blamed for global warming, is a natural phenomenon caused by volcanoes erupting.

"We cannot stop carbon emissions because most of them come from volcanoes," he said. "It is a normal element cycled around in the earth and my science, which is looking back in time, is saying we have had a planet that has been a green, warm wet planet 80 per cent of the time. We have had huge climate change in the past and to think the very slight variations we measure today are the result of our life -- we really have to put ice blocks in our drinks."

Most mainstream scientists agree that the recent warming period was caused by an increase in carbon dioxide since the industrial revolution.

USGS: Human activities release "more than 130 times the amount" of CO2 than volcanoes

USGS: "Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes." From the United States Geological Survey's (USGS) fact sheet about volcanoes:

Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.

Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

USGS Hawaiian Volcano Observatory: Volcanic CO2 emissions "comprises less than 1 percent" of global emissions. A February 2007 article from USGS's Hawaiian Volcano Observatory also notes that human-caused CO2 emissions dwarf that of emissions from volcanoes. From the article:

Gas studies at volcanoes worldwide have helped volcanologists tally up a global volcanic CO2 budget in the same way that nations around the globe have cooperated to determine how much CO2 is released by human activity through the burning of fossil fuels. Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.

This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.

Scientists can identify CO2 emissions from fossil fuel burning versus CO2 emissions from other sources. According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), "[t]he increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration is known to be caused by human activities because the character of CO2 in the atmosphere." From the IPCC:

Emissions of CO2 (Figure 1a) from fossil fuel combustion, with contributions from cement manufacture, are responsible for more than 75% of the increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration since pre-industrial times. The remainder of the increase comes from land use changes dominated by deforestation (and associated biomass burning) with contributions from changing agricultural practices. All these increases are caused by human activity.

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The increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration is known to be caused by human activities because the character of CO2 in the atmosphere, in particular the ratio of its heavy to light carbon atoms, has changed in a way that can be attributed to addition of fossil fuel carbon.

Plimer's past global warming claims have been widely criticized by climate experts

Gavin Schmidt: Plimer's book full of "made-up 'facts.' " After Plimer came out with a climate skeptic book called Heaven and Earth, Gavin Schmidt, a climate modeler at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, wrote on his blog RealClimate.org that the book has "made-up 'facts.' " Schmidt wrote, regarding the debate on climate change:

However, recently there has been more of a sense that the issues being discussed (in the media or online) have a bit of a groundhog day quality to them. The same nonsense, the same logical fallacies, the same confusions -- all seem to be endlessly repeated. The same strawmen are being constructed and demolished as if they were part of a make-work scheme for the building industry attached to the stimulus proposal. Indeed, the enthusiastic recycling of talking points long thought to have been dead and buried has been given a huge boost by the publication of a new book by Ian Plimer who seems to have been collecting them for years. Given the number of simply made-up 'facts' in that tome, one soon realises that the concept of an objective reality against which one should measure claims and judge arguments is not something that is universally shared.

Schmidt issued step-by-step refutation of Plimer's "bizarre claims" about climate, including Plimer's claims about volcanoes' contribution to CO2 levels. After Plimer challenged George Monbiot, an environment reporter at the Guardian who has been extremely critical of Plimer, to answer several questions about climate change, Schmidt issued a step-by-step refutation of "some of Plimer's more bizarre claims." In response to Plimer's question about volcanoes' contribution to today's CO2 levels, Schmidt replied, "IPCC FAQ is all that is required. Do volcanoes produce more CO2 than human activity? Not even close."

University of Adelaide director of climate science: Plimer's views on climate are "naive, reflected a poor understanding of climate science, and relied on recycled and distorted arguments that had been repeatedly refuted." Barry Brook, who is the director of climate science and one of Plimer's colleagues at the University of Adelaide, has repeatedly criticized Plimer's arguments about global warming, asserting that he has "relied on recycled and distorted arguments that had been repeatedly refuted." From a post on Brook's blog, BraveNewClimate.com:

I've been critical of Ian's views before (see here and here). In short, my view was that Ian's assertions about man's role in climate change were naive, reflected a poor understanding of climate science, and relied on recycled and distorted arguments that had been repeatedly refuted.

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Ian Plimer's book is a case study in how not to be objective. Decide on your position from the outset, and then seek out all the facts that apparently support your case, and discard or ignore all of those that contravene it. He quotes a couple of thousand peer-reviewed scientific papers when mounting specific arguments. What Ian doesn't say is that the vast majority of these authors have considered the totality of evidence on the topic of human-induced global warming and conclude that it is real and a problem. Some researchers have show that the Earth has been hotter before, and that more CO2 has been present in the atmosphere in past ages. Yes, quite -- this is an entirely uncontroversial viewpoint. What is relevant now is the rate of climate change, the specific causes, and its impact on modern civilisation that is dependent, for agricultural and societal security, on a relatively stable climate. Ian pushes mainstream science far out of context, again and again.

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    • Author by SLRTX (November 13, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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      Hidden agendas and motivated reasoning. Facts be damned. People will believe what they want.

      A couple of quotes from the past about motivated reasoning:

      "The human understanding, when it has once adopted an opinion ... draws all things else to support and agree with it. Though there may be (more) instances to be found on the other side, yet these it either neglects or despises, or else by some distinction sets aside and rejects." -- Francis Bacon

      "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -- Mark Twain
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      • Author by southerngal (November 13, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
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        "Hidden agendas and motivated reasoning"

        Granted, there is plenty of both on many issues. But what are these agendas and these motivations for global warming zealots? How do they go about getting what they want?
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        • Author by vhw28672478 (November 13, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
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          Global warming is a facts
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        • Author by DellDolly (November 14, 2009 1:02 am ET)
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          Another false equivalency argument from RightON to try to distract from the topic at hand. I'm glad to see it didn't take off. Of course, he got his wish on another 100+ post thread today, so he didn't lose, just not on this thread.
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      • Author by SLRTX (November 13, 2009 4:29 pm ET)
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        Anyone reading this... (sorry for the long post)

        Notice the reply I got on my post above: "what are these agendas and these motivations for global warming zealots? How do they go about getting what they want?"

        There are 3 things we can take away from this reaction:
        1. The overwhelming number of scientists are wrong.
        2. We are "zealots" because we choose to believe the experts that they really do know what they are talking about.
        3. The denier's position implies that there must be a conspiracy in the scientific community to push a global warming agenda?

        Whether it's global warming, secret societies, or captured alien spacecraft, the pattern is the same. In order for any of these conspiracy theories to work, they require some ill-defined agenda, driven by vast numbers of unidentified people, and a lot of moving parts. Conspiracy theorists are irrational, ignorant, stupid people. Or they could simply be liars.

        As with any subject in science, the typical layman (in this case one who is not a climatologist), must reasonably assume that if virtually all sane, rational experts in this field agree that climate change is caused by humans, then it must be true. That is, there is a consensus that climate change is caused by humans.

        Every day, we assume science is correct without knowing the details of how their consensus was reached. Sometimes we make these assumptions at the risk of our own lives. After all, we must assume our Physicians really do know what they're talking about when diagnosing an illness.

        So if someone just wants to ignore the evidence and claim the world's scientists are motivated by some ill-defined evil purpose, and the vast numbers of them can keep this conspiracy secret, they will never accept anything we will ever post.

        We aren't the experts. If the experts can't convince them, we certainly won't be able to. It is not our job to educate the deniers. If they wish to remain ignorant, that's their problem.

        Some links on consensus for human-caused climate change. Some pretty solid societies agree with the consensus. So, how do the deniers claim there is no consensus? Because they REFUSE to accept reality - or they are liars.

        http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
        http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-change/scientific-consensus-on.html
        http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/just-what-is-this-consensus-anyway/
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        • Author by jett (November 13, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
             
          Let me get this straight. A geologist (scientist) claims that volcanoes are the primary source for carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and you don't beleive him. What is the black smoke coming out of the tops of them if it is not CO2?
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        • Author by oldmaninblackforest (November 13, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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          It comes down to one thing FOLLOW THE MONEY. scientist get federal funding via grants. wikipedia can be edited by anyone, even the great scientist algore.

          I can point at web sites too, so what...

          www.climatedepot.com
          http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/326/5955/924

          If you or algore really believed this hocum you'd unilaterally take yourself off the grid and stop bothering the rest of us.

          Support nuclear energy.

          BTW - for a mere $20.00 you can save one of the trees I'm about to cut down and BURN.
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          • Author by mefirst (November 13, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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            you can bet your last twenty dollars that if "federal funding" could get scientists to say things, the bush administration would have been handing them out like candy to any scientist who would say global warming is bunk.
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            • Author by SLRTX (November 13, 2009 5:57 pm ET)
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              mefirst --

              Well, those scientists don't make a whole lot of $$, so $20 may be a lot to them.

              But, as the deniers would have you think, the conspirators are holding the world hostage for ..... one ... million ... dollars!!!! Whaahaaahaaahaaa!!!!

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      • Author by oldmaninblackforest (November 13, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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        Exactly right follow the money and it'll lead right to algore and his phonies...

        Just take a guess, how many years would it take for "fossil fuels" to produce the amount of CO2 released in the most recent major volcanic eruption. Face it the climate-change fakes NEVER mention volcanic activity, NEVER tell you how much CO2 they dump into the atmosphere.

        I have to believe that you folks think algore is going to cut you all in on his money tree... Obama approval rating 34%... hmmm... I know you folks are so far to the left you have NO ROOM for new thoughts of your own so go ahead listen to algore...
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        • Author by mefirst (November 13, 2009 5:46 pm ET)
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          i think they just told you the numbers in the main part of the article above. in your haste to post, you must have missed it. obviously, such events as mt. pinatubo in 1991 emit more, but it's an average. volcanic activity is not "even close".
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        • Author by SLRTX (November 13, 2009 9:11 pm ET)
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          oldmaninblackforest --

          When are you guys going to stop using Al Gore as "proof" that AGW isn't real? He's not a scientist, he doesn't understand AGW, so you can stop trying to divert from the realities of AGW by using that old windbag.

          Deniers don't have the facts on their side, so they launch into attacks on Al Gore.

          Give us a break. Do something original for once. Surprise us! Think outside the box!
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    • Author by reanna-mator (November 13, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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      No matter what happens to the Earth, it'll be these people's sworn duty to use faulty science to say it's not our fault and we can just keep on doing whatever we like.
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    • Author by mr.doa/live (November 13, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
         
      i guess to be a real" zientist (for hire) findings located in beginning of any calculous that may be for sale,OO,?,ya'd have to ask Dr.Strangeluv what on earth caused the first (most recent) ice-age any waysz,gee golly,Mr.Know it all probably has that one right up thair previous civilazations sleeve,remember carbon dating goes back exzactly 2009 years only,after that,don't lOOk too far ya might not like what ya see,,Dr,Zaus,Dr.Zaus,,,,he's gonna nave to talk to bob again,yeah he's gonna talk to bob allright,get it,saurian & earthly roman gods may as well be the volcano,aka Olympic Mons
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    • Author by mookie von zipper (November 13, 2009 8:01 pm ET)
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      i'm so weary of this zealot vs denier argument and look forward to december 21, 2012, when all will be revealed... my money is on man-made global warming being the equivalent of a sparrow's fart in a hurricane...

      reporting from murderland ranch,
      i'm mookie von zipper
      massmurdermedia

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    • Author by alienofwar (November 14, 2009 12:03 am ET)
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      How come all the talk about global cooling has dissipated? It's unusually warm in my neck of the woods for November.
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    • Author by caels (November 14, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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      Not to mention Ian Plimer is a director at three Australian mining companies who has insisted that "cap and trade" would decimate mining industry (no really, but whatever). Given that believe, isn't it clear he already has a massive conflict of interest?

      Surprised Media Matters actually missed that pretty important detail to be honest, they are usual quite thorough on these type of matters.
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    • Author by gpp (November 15, 2009 8:55 pm ET)
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      Here is a list of 5 peer reviewed papers supporting skepticism of man made global warming.

      http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/15/reference-450-skeptical-peer-reviewed-papers/

      Your text to link here...

      There is no consensus on this issue from science, so refrain from using this term any longer, since these papers alone prove the use of the term to be incorrect and unjustified.
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