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Sarah Palin: If you fact-check my book, then the terrorists have already won

November 15, 2009 3:48 pm ET — 127 Comments

In a note she posted to her Facebook page today, Sarah Palin mocked the AP's use of 11 fact-checkers of her not-yet-released book, Going Rogue, writing: "We've heard 11 writers are engaged in this opposition research, er, "fact checking" research!" Hmm, do I hear echoes of Mark Steyn here? Palin -- who stated that she "dedicated" the book to "Patriots" who "love the U.S.A. as much as I do" -- continued:

Imagine that -- 11 AP reporters dedicating time and resources to tearing up the book, instead of using the time and resources to "fact check" what's going on with Sheik Mohammed's trial, Pelosi's health care takeover costs, Hasan's associations, etc. Amazing.

So Palin is suggesting that the AP's effort to fact-check her book -- something a news organization has a journalistic duty to do if it's going to report on it -- means that it is somehow ignoring the stories of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's trial and Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan's associations? Sorry, but... where's the link?

In her post, Palin proclaims that she'll "keep setting the record straight." Let's do that: The AP has in fact used its "time and resources" to report on KSM's trial (here, here, and here) and on Hasan's alleged associations to terrorism (here, here, here).

But if the news media dare criticize any of her statements, will they be lumped in as "palling around with terrorists?"

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    • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 15, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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      The book tour starts this week, and I look forward to it! I'm most looking forward to meeting many of you, shaking your hands, and telling you,"Thanks for loving America."


      Really? Shouldn't she be looking for a job, raising her children, spending time with her husband? Flying around the country , shaking hands and thanking people for loving America? How is that fighting terrorism?

      Just kidding. I bet even Simple Sarah can grasp the concept of performing multiple tasks in life.

      I think every minute this bimbo gets in the spotlight shrinks her cult down a little. She may add 5 fringe paranoid Bible-thumpers, but 10 relatively reasonable conservatives are probably driven off.
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      • Author by bruce1ace (November 15, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
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        Sarah's around just for your entertainment Colonel. It helps take your mind off the screwing your own party is giving the progressive movement.
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        • Author by New Frontier (November 15, 2009 9:31 pm ET)
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          Sarah's around just for your entertainment Colonel.
          Enjoy Palin's book tour & media blitz, Colonel. Her past history shows she'll be quitting it half-way.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 15, 2009 11:08 pm ET)
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            I hope she sticks it out for a while. IN the meantime, she's apparently taking my mind off of something or other. I've never been registered with a political party, but somehow my party is screwing the progressive movement.
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        • Author by vicfinch (November 15, 2009 11:22 pm ET)
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          PALIN FOR PRESIDENT
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          • Author by mjh (November 16, 2009 6:50 pm ET)
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            "PALIN FOR PTA PRESIDENT" -- vicfinch



            FIXED

            {don't worry, faculty members -- she'll quit mid-school year . . .}

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        • Author by mjh (November 16, 2009 4:18 pm ET)
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          "Sarah's around just for your entertainment Colonel."


          Personally, I prefer competency over entertainment in my presidential candidates, or even presumed presidential candidates.

          But, hey, bruce -- whatever floats your boat . . .

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    • Author by John Paradox (November 15, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
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      Let's see.. written at 5:43AM, the capture is six hours later (about 11:43A), with 3,647 people 'liking this'.
      Be interesting to see what that number is in another six hours, considering her 'fans' probably hit the post soon after it was put up.
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      • Author by John Paradox (November 15, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
           
        "Ten hours later", 4,954 people like this.


        Hours 1-6: 608 people/hour (rounded upward)
        Hours 6-10: 327 people/hour (rounded upward)

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        • Author by John Paradox (November 16, 2009 3:00 pm ET)
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          As of approximately 1300 hours (MST)
          7,388 people like this.

          Not being a Facebook fan, can people vote multiple times?

          BTW, I'm not going to bother with this again....
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (November 17, 2009 10:03 am ET)
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            Unfortunately, you can only vote once. There are that many people who "like" that.
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    • Author by worrierking (November 15, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
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      Am I the only one who gets turned off by these self proclaimed patriots and their fetishization of their love for America?

      Anyone who tells you that they're a patriot, probably isn't. And someone who loves America, has to love the idea that is America, that all are welcome, all are worthy of respect and all are entitled to have an opinion.
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      • Author by eb (November 15, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
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        Talk is so cheap.

        Actually doing the hard work of understanding issues and solving problems... why that's no fun. Better to create some home spun image for yourself that is hard to argue against. All American patriot mom who guts her own game, trying to raise a family in the virtuous outback when not attending church...

        I suspect that if so many of us weren't so scared ditless last year with the economy, Palin's lack of coherent answers in interviews would have made her a folk hero. At least thats what they were betting on. Very very sad.
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    • Author by tbone (November 15, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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      Sarah continues to reveal herself. The intellect of a community college drop-out, the prose of a 13 year old, and that niggling little habit of equating her world view with Patriotism, Freedom, and Love of Country.
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    • Author by mustardman (November 15, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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      Her books should be named "How to be a professional victim".
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (November 15, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
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        "How trailer trash can make a pile of money off suckers?"
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        • Author by princeofwheels (November 15, 2009 9:21 pm ET)
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          To use Fox news journalism..I read your post as......................
          "Why would she write a book...there's no way she could compete with leftists."
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        • Author by New Frontier (November 15, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
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          losers.
          Who's the one who lost the vice-presidency and then quit her Governor's job?
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          • Author by brutusmaximus (November 15, 2009 10:01 pm ET)
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            You know who the losers are, Frontier. All the whining little socialists who can't take care of themselves and cry for gubmn't help all the time.
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            • Author by marco21 (November 15, 2009 10:29 pm ET)
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              ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. I am sorry. Wingnuts have been crying "socialism" for so long. it's boring me to slumber.

              But "gubmn't?" What are you trying to say there, brutus?
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              • Author by tangaroa (November 15, 2009 10:35 pm ET)
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                Only northeast latte-sipping birkenstock-wearing elitists worry about spelling. Just another way to look down on the REAL people.
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 15, 2009 11:12 pm ET)
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                  I'm guessing that ever since GluteusMaximus failed to keep up at that Gubmint public school, he's been lashing out at anybody who took advantage of those schools and was able to complete the 6th grade.

                  Probably sitting in a trailer deep in some red state, only waking up to cash his disability check and whine about leftist losers on the internets.
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              • Author by bjobotts (November 16, 2009 12:51 am ET)
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                Ha. Government for the people, by the people and of the people sure sounds like socialism to me...democratic socialism...the best form of government where greed is regulated before it becomes destructive to the nation.

                You righties don't get it that we are facing a corporatocracy vs a democracy...we win with democratic socialism...we lose with an aristocratic corporatocracy.

                This is the price for Freedom.
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                • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 8:39 am ET)
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                  Jeez, you people are sicker than I thougt. Do you actually beleive that socialism and freedom can go together?
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                  • Author by peace4all (November 16, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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                    actually they do go together nicely. or do you think that the people of Europe and Canada are being oppressed by their governments? if you do, then you really need to travel outside of the states. you will be surprised at just how freedom loving those people actually are.
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                    • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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                      Spare me, peace. I've traveled all over the world and it never ceases to amaze me how willing some people are to give up freedom for "security" which is what they think socialism is.
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (November 16, 2009 2:28 pm ET)
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                        Funny, all I had to do was keep up with the Bush cabal the past 8 years to see freedoms being surrendered repeatedly here in the US of A in the name of "security".

                        Don't you pay attention?
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                        • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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                          What freedom did you give up or lose, foghorn?
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                          • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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                            Well it does not necessarily have to happen to foghorn. You can reasonably object to slavery and not have ever been a slave yourself.

                            When the Bush Administration argued that the Constitution and Habeas Corpus does not apply to an American Citizen in their custody that they captured in America conspiring to commit a crime in America should be very chilling. We should all be glad the Bush Administration was thwarted in their plans.
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                      • Author by mjh (November 16, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
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                        "I've traveled all over the world and it never ceases to amaze me how willing some people are to give up freedom for "security" which is what they think socialism is." -- gluteus maximus



                        Well -- that must mean you aren't one of those wingnut radio screamers who believe KSM being brought to trial in NY Federal Court is an "erosion" of our freedoms, right?

                        Good to know.

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                  • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 11:55 am ET)
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                    I think people have widely different ideas of what "socialism" is or what constitutes "socialism". Your idea seems to be mutually exclusive to freedom. Others may define it differently.
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                    • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
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                      Well, openmind, I think that when the government takes the income that one person produces and gives it to someone else, it's hard to call that freedom.
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                      • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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                        That makes exactly zero sense. Who in the world is free by that definition?

                        Do you have any sense of society at all? Do you think that intelligent but poor students should just go work at McDonald's instead of getting a grant to go to college, or what?
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                        • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 2:08 pm ET)
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                          "Do you have any sense of society at all? Do you think that intelligent but poor students should just go work at McDonald's instead of getting a grant to go to college, or what?"

                          Funny you should say that, Brabantio. I was one of those poor students who got a job at McDonald's and put my self through college. It wasn't that hard.

                          I did get a $350 grant one time, though. I spent most of it on beer and girls and just wasted the rest.
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                          • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
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                            Funny you should say that, Brabantio. I was one of those poor students who got a job at McDonald's and put my self through college. It wasn't that hard.
                            Are you assuming that all circumstances are the same, therefore there will always be equal results?
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                            • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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                              There will never be equal results. Everyone has the opportunity in this country. Some have it easier than others. I would have liked to have had a bunch of grant money when I was 18, but I didn't need it - except for more beer.
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                              • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
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                                There will never be equal results. Everyone has the opportunity in this country.
                                I mean equal results based on people making the same effort that you did. Your attitude seems to be that people who don't get the same results must just be lazy.
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                          • Author by slowtyper (November 16, 2009 11:51 pm ET)
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                            I did get a $350 grant one time, though. I spent most of it on beer and girls and just wasted the rest.


                            that explains a lot...!
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                      • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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                        Sarah Palin takes money from the Oil Companies and gives it to the citizens of her state. Not to mention all of the dollars that flow from the lower 48 to AK as a result of federal spending and federal grants to AK. Does that make Sarah Palin a tyrant? A socialist?
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                        • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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                          I don't know what each individual state does in their dealing with business. It's mostly up to them - like the way Michigan has driven out so many jobs. Like I've said before, I'm talking about the fed.

                          Not sure which federal grants you're talking about, openmind. Most of them are a complete waste of money, but every governor will try to get back what they can - if there aren't too many strings attached.
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                          • Author by foghornleghorn (November 16, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
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                            Brutus, you quite obviously have no idea what socialism is.

                            (hint - it's controlling the means of production).
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                            • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
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                              Brutus, you quite obviously have no idea what socialism is.

                              (hint - it's controlling the means of production).


                              You mean like GM?

                              Socialism is the stage after capitalism on the way to communism. It doesn't always happen over night. We are proceeding down the road.
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                              • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 17, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
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                                "You mean like GM?" - brutus

                                No, not like GM. GM would be socialist if the government took over the car industry and nationalized it. Then both profits and/or losses would be the governments. The employees would work for and be paid by the government. Once again, socialism is when the government controls the means of production. Like the VA, or National Parks, or the FBI, the FDA. See the difference? Again, most of us learned this difference in 7th grade civics. I am sorry you still have not learned it. Stop getting your civics lessons from Fox News and hate radio. It is truly embarrassing.
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                          • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 2:36 pm ET)
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                            But the problem is that being governor is her resume. If she was a socialist/tyrant as governor, what makes you think the leopard will change its spots as President? Even when she ran for Vice President, she often commented on how it would help AK. I can only imagine nothing would change.
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                      • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 17, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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                        That's taxation. Not socialism. Socialism is when the government control the means of production. Most of us learned this in 7th grade civics. I am sorry you did not. But, please do not push your ignorance of basic government onto the rest of us.
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                  • Author by political_left-religious_right (November 16, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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                    Jeez, you people are sicker than I thougt [sic]. Do you actually beleive [sic] that socialism and freedom can go together?

                    They sure go together better than education and neoconservatism.
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            • Author by pilotx (November 15, 2009 10:59 pm ET)
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              I am a socialist and take care of myself and family just fine thank you. Wanna compare 1040's sometime? We just don't believe corporations should run the government.
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 15, 2009 11:15 pm ET)
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                PilotX, the clownish trolls here don't have any better idea of what a socialist is than Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity do. They just need to blame somebody for the fact that none of them seem able to take care of themselves.
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                • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 7:35 am ET)
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                  So why don't you explain what socialism is, sanders, and how your definition differs from what Obumbles, Reid, and Pelosi are trying to do.
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                  • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 8:13 am ET)
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                    That sounds like an argument of convenience, because you can always claim that people are "trying to do" anything you like.
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                  • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 16, 2009 9:48 am ET)
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                    Why don't you take a little personal responsibility, pull up your bootstraps, and do some work yourself? You have the internets, Gluteus, probably even some books lying around.

                    Jeez, lazy freeloading wingnuts, always expecting the libruls to take care of them.
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                    • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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                      Not even liberals depend on liberals, sanders. They know where their free lunch is coming from - those evil rich people.
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              • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 7:32 am ET)
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                Have you ever heard of the Constitution of The United States, pilotx? It doesn't authorize a socialist government - at the federal level anyway. There's a good reason for that - it doesn't work!

                All you good little socialists are always welcome to add as much as you want to your tax bill every year.
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                • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 8:09 am ET)
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                  But the definition of "socialist" that's being pushed by people like you would include every industrialized country except for us. By what standard are we "working" while those countries are not?
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                  • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 8:35 am ET)
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                    In what socialist country is the standard of living higher than ours? That's the standard I would use.
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                    • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 9:03 am ET)
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                      By what measurement? The HDI lists us as 13th.
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                      • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 11:24 am ET)
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                        "[HDI] is about creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests."

                        What a bunch of leftist gobledy-goook. Of course there's no mention of how the U.S. is the primary funder of all these idiotic "reports". Or did I just miss that part?
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                        • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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                          What relevance would that funding be? Is it supposed to show bias against us, or am I supposed to arbitrarily move us up to the number one slot because of it?

                          You wanted to talk about how countries work, and focus on standard of living, but people developing potential and lives that fulfill their needs and interest is "leftist"?
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                          • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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                            The relevance is that we are the rich nation always asked to fund such things. And the reason that we are richer, and better able to fund such tripe, and have a higher standard of living is that we have had a free-market capitalist driven economy.

                            In this country if you want to spend your time developing a more "creative" life, you are free to do so. It becomes "leftist" when you expect someone else to pay for it.

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                            • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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                              The relevance is that we are the rich nation always asked to fund such things.
                              Being rich isn't the same as having the best standard of living.
                              And the reason that we are richer, and better able to fund such tripe, and have a higher standard of living is that we have had a free-market capitalist driven economy.
                              I'm still trying to figure out what your measurement is based on. I'm familiar with your assertion that free-market capitalism gives us the highest standard of living, what I'd like to see is an actual argument to that end.
                              "[HDI] is about creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests."
                              So people developing their own potential means that someone else is paying for it? Or nobody's even supposed to try to create an environment that fosters this? That's a pretty outlandish definition of "leftist".
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                      • Author by DellDolly (November 16, 2009 11:26 am ET)
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                        Crickets.

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                • Author by bintx (November 16, 2009 10:36 am ET)
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                  Don't quote the Constitution. You, like most people here who use political ideological terms that you have NO IDEA the meaning of, also have NO idea what the Constitution says, you just repeat talking points you heard on Fox or hate talk radio.
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                  • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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                    So tell me where I'm wrong, bintx.
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                    • Author by bintx (November 16, 2009 11:14 am ET)
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                      No, you made the comment, YOU TELL ME. See, I'm a legal professional. If you're going to make a claim . . . back it up. You throw around terms which, based upon your usage of said terms, you have NO idea what they mean. Back it up.
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                      • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 11:30 am ET)
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                        I said that the Constitution doesn't authorize a socialist government. Is that wrong in your "legal opinion"?
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                        • Author by foghornleghorn (November 16, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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                          The consitution also doesn't authorize The Flying Spaghetti Monster either.

                          Both are figments of your hate radio fueled imagination.
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                • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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                  Have you ever heard of the Constitution of The United States, pilotx? It doesn't authorize a socialist government - at the federal level anyway.
                  That is a stunning piece of ignorance even from you. Where do you even begin? I am sure we have a different idea of what "socialist government" entails, but just setting that aside for the moment, the Constitution makes no mention of economic systems - let alone ones that had not occured on a large scale as of the time the Constitution was written. The government has the power to tax incomes (16th Amendment) and seize property with just compensation (5th Amendment). It also has enormous power granted to regulate interstate commerce (Art.1,Sec8,Par.3).

                  There is nothing stopping our government from becoming socialist - not that it would likely happen anytime soon - if that is what the people really wanted.
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                  • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 2:38 pm ET)
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                    Don't forget the 9th and 10th Amendments, openmind. Most libs try.

                    There is nothing stopping our government from becoming socialist - not that it would likely happen anytime soon - if that is what the people really wanted.


                    No there isn't anything stopping them - but they would have to go through the amendment process to do it legally.
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                    • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 7:12 pm ET)
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                      Well you're not quite the scholar you think you are apparently. The 9th Amendment pertains to "rights". Individuals have "rights" it is not talking about the government "powers". I find this to be a very common mistake among conservatives, but it is Civics 101.

                      Believe it or not, but the 10th Amendment still leaves plenty of room for interpretation. It depends on your philosophy as to how literally you read the government powers in the other sections. If you think the 10th Amendment encourages strict constructionism, I suggest you then argue that the Louisiana Purchase was unconstitutional (as Jefferson even conceded it was - should be an easy win for you) and that the government has no right to print paper money among seemingly countless other blatant violations of strict constructionism (if you believe in it - that is). Let me know how that works out for ya.
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                      • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 9:16 pm ET)
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                        As James Madison tried to explain in the
                        'Federalist Papers', there would be no reason to give specific, enumerated powers to the federal government and then expect it to be viewed as a general guideline.

                        The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

                        And they 9th is very applicable in any debate about overreaching federal powers.
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                        • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 11:13 pm ET)
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                          Of course Madison said that. As I noted previously it was debated considerably at the time and has been throughout our entire history.

                          Jefferson was one of the staunchest proponents of specific, enumerated powers. Jefferson also did not hesitate to throw aside those very principles in order to ratify the Louisiana Treaty - thus demonstrating that adhering to strict constructionism is much more easily said than done. Most Americans would agree that Jefferson did the right thing in the end by using the implied Elastic Clause powers to justify his actions in the end.

                          The 9th is better applicable in debate regarding over-reaching federal powers in some instances. I can grant you that. Just not the current conversation we are having as the 16th Amendment clarified (if not established) the governments power to levy income taxes - so there obviously is no non-enumerated right to be free from taxation and the 9th is not applicable. It is the job of elected representatives to set the rates of taxation. If you do not like those rates, you are free to vote for somebody else.
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                • Author by John Paradox (November 16, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
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                  We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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            • Author by New Frontier (November 15, 2009 11:46 pm ET)
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              You know who the losers are, Frontier
              Yeah, I do. They lost the House. They lost the Senate. They lost NY-23. They lost the Presidency. Judging by Sarah Palin, they've lost their minds, too.
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            • Author by bjobotts (November 16, 2009 12:42 am ET)
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              No, it's all those who can take care of themselves who care enough to ensure others are taken care of too, the ones who compose the majority of the legislature and the country not the few who are so intolerant of others views they would rather sit around name calling and tearing apart their own government than help the nation face its challenges. The people of NO land NO ideas but obstruction and blame damage...who always leave the mess for others to clean up while they busy themselves with creating another.
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              • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 8:30 am ET)
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                "No, it's all those who can take care of themselves who care enough to ensure others are taken care of too..." - bj

                They care so much about others that they want the government to take my money to fund all of their idiotic programs.
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                • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
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                  I love how conservatives believe everything is funded with "my" money. It's all of our money, genius. We all have a say what is done with it.
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                  • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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                    "It's all of our money, genius." - openmind

                    No, actually it belongs to the person who earned it - the person who actually created the income and wealth. Just because it is later confiscated by the federal government for redistribution doesn't mean any of belongs to you.
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                    • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
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                      No, actually it belongs to the person who earned it - the person who actually created the income and wealth. Just because it is later confiscated by the federal government for redistribution doesn't mean any of belongs to you.
                      So, we should fund military projects through private charity, or what?
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                      • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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                        The federal government is required and authorized by the Constitution to fund the military. Just the opposite is true about wealth redistribution.
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                        • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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                          I didn't say "the military", though. I specified "projects". If I think it's a waste of money for them to come up with a space-based missile defense system, for instance, then why should they take my money for it? Bare-bones military maintenance and operation is another matter.
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                          • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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                            A missile defense system, Brabantio, is clearly part of the national defense, in my opinion. The common defense is what the federal government is required and authorized to provide.

                            Your representaives can argue for or against the merits of any particular project, however, and maybe that one would be deemed unnecessary.

                            There a LOTS of wasteful military projects, but that's still not the wealth redistribution that liberals wrongly think the government has a right to.
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                            • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 2:08 pm ET)
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                              A missile defense system, Brabantio, is clearly part of the national defense, in my opinion.
                              In your opinion, exactly. This is my point, that what's considered to be a waste of money is subjective. This is why the "my money" argument doesn't work, because everyone's money goes to things they personally don't agree with. Nothing makes you special in this scenario.

                              I'm taking my best guess, since you aren't really big on specifics, that you're referring to things like social security, medicare, welfare, etc. What strikes me as odd is that if you really believe in the free market, then you should recognize that such a system does tend to marginalize people for the sake of profits. If they can get away with shipping jobs overseas, for example, then they will do that because it saves them money at the expense of the American worker. Bearing this dynamic in mind, there's justification for all sorts of social programs.

                              Unless you simply believe that there is no such thing as greed, or that the poor are universally deserving of their situation, of course.
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                        • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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                          The federal government is required and authorized by the Constitution to fund the military. Just the opposite is true about wealth redistribution.
                          Okay, so where does the government get the money to fund the military as required by the constitution, Mr. Zero Tax Rate guy?

                          Secondly, assuming the government takes money from citizens and then pays large corporations to build military equipment at a profit (much of which will go to people who do not physically work for that profit), how is that not a "redistribution of wealth" on some level?
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                    • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
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                      So you think the tax rate should be zero? No taxes at all? Yes or no? If yes, then how do you think roads should be built? How do you think we should pay for anti-terrorism security? How do we fund our military? Should we give our veterans free medical?
                      If the answer is no, then welcome aboard, comrade!
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                      • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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                        "So you think the tax rate should be zero? No taxes at all? Yes or no?" - openmind

                        No, they should not be zero. Taxes should be sufficient to fund the legitimate functions of government - which does not inlude redistributionist programs like "free" health care.

                        And when I say 'government' I'm talking about the fed.
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                        • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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                          Well then, we are just bickering over what is legitimate. I would argue that you really aren't all that opposed to wealth redistribution as even in your using taxes to fund "legitimate functions", you are taking money from the taxpayers and even managing to make a few individuals extremely wealthy. In some cases people who merely have shares in the companies performing these "legitimate functions" will make large somes of money without even doing any labor at all, but through dividend payouts and stock price growth.
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                          • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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                            Greed and corruption, especially in the government, has always existed and always will. But the federal government needs to be forced to stick to the "few and enumerated powers".



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                            • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
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                              Well I think that was easier to do during agrarian times or if we wanted to have a very limited agrarian economy.

                              Even at the time of ratification, it was controversial as to whether the enumerated powers were to be strictly interpreted or not. That debate has continued throughout our history. I see that as purely a philosophical reading of the Constitution and one to be decided at the ballot box.
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            • Author by mjh (November 16, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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              "You know who the losers are, Frontier. All the whining little socialists who can't take care of themselves and cry for gubmn't help all the time."



              You're talking about all those Wall St. firms that Dumbya bailed out last year -- right, gluteusmaximus?

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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 17, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
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              You know who the losers are, Frontier. All the whining little socialists who can't take care of themselves and cry for gubmn't help all the time. - brutus

              Wow. That is a real shot at Alaskans out of nowhere.
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        • Author by bintx (November 16, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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          Why do you support this mental lightweight? She was the reason my vote didn't go for McCain last year. She was chosen to appeal to Neanderthals like you who just saw a "good-looking" woman with a loud mouth spouting things you agreed with and to women who were upset because Hillary lost [which is BIZARRE since her beliefs made her the anti-Hillary]. Once these guys figured out what a disaster they had created with this nit-wit, it was too late.

          I don't care what letter is in the () behind this person's name. She is a trainwreck. Your support of her shows how little you really care for this country. Your loyalty is to the letter in the ().
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    • Author by marco21 (November 15, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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      What kind of cheese goes best with Sarah's NONSTOP whine?
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      • Author by John Paradox (November 16, 2009 4:29 am ET)
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        Don't know, but I bet I know what shop she goes to

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3KBuQHHKx0
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      • Author by darkmass (November 16, 2009 6:10 am ET)
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        What kind of cheese goes best with Sarah's NONSTOP whine?
        Moose cheese. (Ugg...gag)
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    • Author by wookie (November 15, 2009 5:47 pm ET)
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      So why didn't Sarah write a book about Sheik Mohammed instead of how Katie Couric was mean to her?
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    • Author by brutusmaximus (November 15, 2009 7:09 pm ET)
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      The MMFA headline is - "Sarah Palin: If you fact-check my book, then the terrorists have already won"

      When did she say that?
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      • Author by Ro (November 15, 2009 8:12 pm ET)
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        Media Matters didn't say she "said that". There would have been quotes around it if that were the case. It's the title of a post, not a quote from Sarah Palin.

        Quit pretending you dont understand.
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        • Author by brutusmaximus (November 15, 2009 8:31 pm ET)
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          MMFA: Liberals are scared of Sarah!
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          • Author by marco21 (November 15, 2009 8:59 pm ET)
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            Yes, please, please, please, please, please don't run her 1n 2012.

            We beg you. Please choose her to be your Presidential candidate. It would be such a slaughter, President Obama would concede by Halloween 2012.

            (Did he buy it? Did he go run and tell his friends to run her? Sweet!)
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            • Author by brutusmaximus (November 15, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
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              The libs need to figure out who they're going to run. Obumbles is done - unless you want a repeat of 1980.
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              • Author by marco21 (November 15, 2009 10:24 pm ET)
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                Right, Sarah should have no problem ice skating her way into the White House. Just remind her she cannot address congress via facebook.
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              • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 2:54 am ET)
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                Are we back in 1993 again? I kept hearing Rush say that a young whipper-snapper named Bill Clinton was "done for" back then, too. You need to get a new strategy. Your attempted Jedi mind-trick didn't work last time and I doubt it is going to work again.
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                • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 8:44 am ET)
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                  If only Bill Clinton was president right now, or even Hillary...

                  Just goes to show ya, things can always be worse. And they are.
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                  • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 8:48 am ET)
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                    But you give us hope, openmind. How did that mid-term election go?
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                    • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 9:52 am ET)
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                      As I recall, the predictions of Bill Clinton's demise increased and Bill Clinton was not re-elected to a second term...Oh wait, yes he was. Lol.
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                      • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 10:11 am ET)
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                        He was re-elected in the mid-term election? I missed that fact somehow. But I do remember the "Contract with America" that resulted from that election and later led to an almost balnced budget.

                        Welfare reform - Clinton's greatest!
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                        • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 11:18 am ET)
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                          Why would you think Clinton was running in a mid-term election? The Democrats lost the mid-term and Bill Clinton was re-elected two years later as I alluded to above. Of course we had to endure the loud-mouths bragging about how Clinton was "done for" every step of the way - just like you and some others keep telling us about Obama.

                          I actually hope the Republicans win the mid-term. It will make Obama an even better president, just like it did for Bill Clinton. You are right. Clinton was "the greatest!" Quite a stunning admission on your part.
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                        • Author by foghornleghorn (November 16, 2009 2:36 pm ET)
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                          "Contract with America"

                          Do you know how many of the initiatives in the Contract On America were adopted?

                          (hint - the answer is between zero and zero)
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                    • Author by bintx (November 16, 2009 10:42 am ET)
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                      Actually, it went very well for the Democrats. Two governorships which have nothing whatsoever to do with the federal government changed parties as was expected. Virginia because of the trends of the last 30+ years and New Jersey because of a very, very unpopular governor and the economy. All exit polls indicated that the voters did not have any dissatisfaction with Mr. Obama, in fact, his popularity is still quit high in both those states.

                      On the other hand, the Democratic majority in the House picked up two more seats, one of which came from a district which had not elected a Democrat to Congress for over 130 years.

                      You are listening to talking points, brut, not news.
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                      • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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                        Try following the thread, bint. We were talking about the 1994 mid-term. This months election was not even a mid-term. And it went quite well for the republicans. Nothing like the carnage will be next year, though
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                        • Author by DellDolly (November 16, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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                          The troll is trying, and succeeding, in derailing the posting by MMFA by talking about anything but the fact that Palin falsely suggests that the AP, a huge news organization, can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

                          Because he knows that Palin's allegation is baseless and insulting.

                          He's already succeeded, so keep on keeping on if you want, the damage has already been done. But know that this is why he's doing it, and he's winning so long as you cooperate with his efforts, on this thread or others.
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                          • Author by brutusmaximus (November 16, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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                            Listen to your mother, Dolly, everyone. You are not allowed to respond to my posts.

                            And just for the record, most AP reporters "can't walk and chew gum at the same time."
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                        • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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                          You try following the thread. You claimed "Obumbles is done". I only demonstrated that you guys said the exact same thing about Clinton in a similar situation. Do you read your own posts or are they vomited up on the screen so quickly, you haven't the time?

                          Secondly, the Topic is Palin and her idiotic statements and you are pointing out (in error) that the thread is not being followed? Lol.
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            • Author by marco21 (November 15, 2009 11:54 pm ET)
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              I meant don't choose her. I really need to use the "preview" feature.
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          • Author by New Frontier (November 15, 2009 9:38 pm ET)
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            MMFA: Liberals are scared of Sarah!
            That's because Palin reads newspapers. Which ones, specifically, you ask? Sarah says: "All of 'em. All the ones that have been in front of her all these years."
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          • Author by bintx (November 16, 2009 10:38 am ET)
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            I'm not a liberal, but I'm not afraid of Sarah Palin . . . she's a not-too-bright prima donna. It's people like you who think she's intelligent and capable that are pretty darned scary to most people, "liberal," "conservative," and "in-between."

            Your lack of knowledge and intelligence is frightening.
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    • Author by overmars jr. (November 15, 2009 7:27 pm ET)
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      I love how she titles it "Really? Still making things up?" and then proceeds to spend exactly zero words justifying this stance about their fact-check of her book.
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    • Author by MeanMrSpicyMustard (November 15, 2009 8:02 pm ET)
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      So does anyone have the grapes to actually get on Facebook and follow that link to the, ahem, fair fact-checking at Conservatives4Palin? I'm too terrified I might see something there that would melt my face a la Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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    • Author by princeofwheels (November 15, 2009 9:29 pm ET)
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      Mrs. Palin, May I suggest that you shouldn't be out there defend nothing. All your complaining will do is have people go to the sources of the fact-checking. You probably think they'll buy the book.
      Why buy it when Newsmaximus is giving it away for peanuts when you subscribe to be an arse.
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    • Author by bjobotts (November 16, 2009 12:32 am ET)
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      So if we disagree with Palin we're not Patriots?? If we find her trite, misinformed, self centered with a beauty pageant mentality...we're not patriots?

      One of the founding principles of our nation is tolerance . we can tolerate people we disagree with without calling them unpatriotic or not "real" Americans. Palin's campaign would be better called "Palin's Pageant" since that is her mindset
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    • Author by mjh (November 16, 2009 4:06 pm ET)
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      "Imagine that -- 11 AP reporters dedicating time and resources to tearing up the book, instead of using the time and resources to "fact check" what's going on with Sheik Mohammed's trial, Pelosi's health care takeover costs, Hasan's associations, etc. Amazing."



      Earth to Simple Sarah:

      1. Not sure of the exact number, but I'm certain an organization as large as the Associated Press has a sufficient number of reporters that dedicating 11 of them {or however many they did} will not hinder their ability to cover other newsworthy events.

      2. There's nothing to "fact-check" on the trial of KSM, for the simple reason that it [the trial itself} HAS. YET. TO. OCCUR.

      3. Sarah, I suspect there'd be less of a need for the AP to fact-check your book -- not to mention for you to go out on tour to "set the record straight" -- if you had written TRUTHFULLY in the first place. Just my opinion . . .

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