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Echoing a right-wing blog, Doocy repeatedly claimed Obama's bow was unprecedented

November 16, 2009 11:04 am ET — 69 Comments

In reporting on the manner in which President Obama greeted Japanese Emperor Akihito, Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy repeatedly claimed that "dating back to the very founding of this Republic, American leaders do not bow to leaders of other countries." In fact, Obama's greeting was far from unprecedented, as several past Presidents have bowed while greeting foreign leaders. Additionally, in reporting on Obama's bow, Fox & Friends repeatedly cited right-wing blog Hot Air in their reports on Obama's greeting.

Doocy repeatedly claimed Obama's greeting is unprecedented

From the November 16 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

DOOCY: Two hundred and thirty-three years of precendent dating back to the very founding of this Republic, American leaders do not bow to leaders of other countries. They are on par. Oops. Take a look, there's the President of the United States bowing to the Emperor of Japan.

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DOOCY: You know this is a long standing precedence going back to the founding of the Republic, American Presidents don't bow to anybody. But the President, there he is, bowing. He bowed to King Abdullah earlier in the year as well. The administration said, look it's just protocol, its one of those things they do. You've been in an administration where a President has faced-look there's Abdullah right there. He's going down-why doesn't the, when you look at this, what do you think?

ROVE: I think it was inappropriate.

In fact, numerous past Presidents have bowed while meeting foreign leaders

Nixon bowed while meeting Japanese Emperor. According to a November 15 post on his ABC News.com blog, Political Punch, Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper reported that Obama's bow was not "unprecedented." Tapper cited "an academic with expertise about the Japanese Empire" as noting: "At their 1971 meeting in Alaska, the first visit of a Japanese Emperor to America, President Nixon bowed and referred to Emperor Hirohito and his wife repeatedly as 'Your Imperial Majesties.'... Nixon gets the bow right. Slight arch from the waist hands at his side." Below is the photo to which the Political Punch is referring:

Nixon bows to Japanese Emperor

Clinton was criticized for appearing to bow when greeting Akihito in 1994. A June 19, 1994 New York Times article reported of President Bill Clinton's meeting with Akihito: "It wasn't a bow, exactly. But Mr. Clinton came close. He inclined his head and shoulders forward, he pressed his hands together. It lasted no longer than a snapshot, but the image on the South Lawn was indelible: an obsequent President, and the Emperor of Japan." The article added: "But the 'thou need not bow' commandment from the State Department's protocol office maintained a constancy of more than 200 years. Administration officials scurried to insist that the eager-to-please President had not really done the unthinkable. 'It was not a bow-bow, if you know what I mean,' said Ambassador Molly Raiser, the chief of protocol." [New York Times, 6/19/94]

Eisenhower bowed before Charles De Gaulle. A September 2, 1959 Associated Press photo shows President Dwight Eisenhower bowing his head while meeting French President Charles De Gaulle. The caption of the photograph read: "President Dwight Eisenhower bows as he acknowledges speech of greeting by French President Charles De Gaulle on his arrival at Le Bourget near Paris on Sept. 2, 1959. Between the two chief executives is Ludovic Chancel, French Chief of Protocol."

Eisenhower bows to French President

[AP image #5909020306 (registration required), dated 09/02/1959]

Doocy repeatedly cited right-wing blog Hot Air in reports on Obama's bow

Doocy highlighted Hot Air post on images of other world leaders not bowing to Akihito. From the November 16 edition of Fox & Friends:

DOOCY: On Hot Air.com, you know it is interesting, the University of Connecticut College Republicans put together a montage. There were forty-six world leaders who met the Emperor, and only one of them, the President of the United States, actually did any bowing.

Fox & Friends chyron later adopted language from Hot Air post without attribution. Fox & Friends aired on-screen text that stated, "46 Handshakes & 1 Bow," echoing the title of the November 15 Hot Air post, "Video: 46 handshakes, one bow."

Fox & Friends chyron

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 16, 2009 11:10 am ET)
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      "Unprecedented" must've been the word of the day when all the Fox anchors sat around watching Sesame Street yesterday.
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    • Author by DellDolly (November 16, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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      Heck, there was a guy posting yesterday who was all up in arms because Obama not only bowed, but he also extended his hand to the guy, and omigod, you can't bow AND touch someone too!
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (November 17, 2009 9:08 am ET)
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        Not in Japanese culture anyway.

        Notice how the Japanese guy didn't bow back? THAT is the bigger story here. Also the majority of Japanese people look down on westerners who bow as they know it's not part of our culture. It's almost an insult to them.

        Way to go Propeller Beanie Barry! Next just give 'em a Joe Medicine Crow Shout Out and a fist bump...they would probably respect you more.
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        • Author by Brabantio (November 17, 2009 9:18 am ET)
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          Also the majority of Japanese people look down on westerners who bow as they know it's not part of our culture. It's almost an insult to them.
          Are you sure about that? I never saw any hints of insult when I did it. And can you explain to me why I had to remove my shoes everywhere I went in Japan since that's not a part of my culture?
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          • Author by open_mind (November 17, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
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            I think he's quite sure. I mean, who would use words like "majority of Japanese people" unless they actually know what they were talking about and asserting? Surely Tbone is relying on some poll question on the subject ("Do you think Americans who bow look stupid?" is a very popular poll tracked I am sure over at least the last decade by the Japanese version of Gallup) or a right-wing blog from some guy who knows a Japanese person or two or the usual place conservatives get evidence for their assertions - which I would go into, but this post would probably be deleted in doing so.
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    • Author by SLRTX (November 16, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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      To MMFA:

      Re: "Nixon bowed while meeting Japanese Emperor"

      While I generally don't mind any American President to show respect of other country's customs, I'm not so sure that the photo you show of Nixon "bowing" to the Emperor of Japan is actually a bow. It looks more like he's leaning over to listen to the Emperor.

      You may want to double-check the accuracy of that particular claim.
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      • Author by SLRTX (November 16, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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        Same goes for Eisenhower's "bow". It looks like he's looking down at something that De Gaulle is showing him (shoes?). The French don't bow. They shake hands.
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        • Author by magnolialover (November 16, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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          Agreed, those are pretty tenuous examples I think.

          That being said, there isn't anything wrong with showing respect for the Emperor of Japan, regardless of who you are.

          John Adams, who wasn't President at the time, had to bow to the King of England post Revolutionary War. He didn't like it, but he did it, because it was a show of respect.

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        • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
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          According to MMfA, the caption for Ike's photo read: "President Dwight Eisenhower bows as he acknowledges speech of greeting by French President Charles De Gaulle..."

          I agree that it is normal to shake hands as a greeting in most of Europe, but bowing is also a European custom as well.

          As for Nixon, it is Political Punch's claim that Nixon was bowing. Probably have to dig into their work for primary source material.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (November 17, 2009 9:18 am ET)
               
            I'll third it. Those are weak examples as both have pointed out above. I would love to see more of the context or an actual news reel of the event in real time. A snapshot of a second in time can convey more implied meaning than was really meant.

            Just an example was the famous photo of Casious Clay (Muhammad Ali) standing over Sonny Liston after a knockdown. The photo implies Clay was taunting Liston, but when seen in regular speed it happened so fast that had it not been for the picture it wouldn't have been a question.
            [http://www.rogallery.com/_RG-Images/Ali/Ali-Photo.jpg]
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            • Author by open_mind (November 17, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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              Except that in the AP photo, the caption said Ike was bowing. It would not be a wild assumption that the person who wrote the caption witnessed the bow would it?
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              • Author by Tbone Slickens (November 17, 2009 10:58 pm ET)
                   
                "President Dwight Eisenhower bows as he acknowledges speech of greeting by French President Charles De Gaulle on his arrival at Le Bourget near Paris on Sept. 2,


                Read it again. Ike "acknowledges speech" of greeting. Did De Gaulle make a speech and everyone was cheering so Ike bowed, or did he bow to the French Pres. as a greeting? In my time in France I don't ever remember anyone bowing but my French friends would kiss you on both cheeks as a hello/goodbye.

                I'd still like to see it in film footage. That would set the context better.

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                • Author by open_mind (November 18, 2009 11:11 am ET)
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                  I don't see where "everyone was cheering" in the Ike photo and you can see a good deal of people. Not a one of them appears to be cheering at all. Maybe you have better eyesight than I do.

                  I have been to France a couple of times. I did not see anyone bowing either. It has nothing to do with the picture of Ike as we were both unlikely to see any situations regarding protocol or even two heads of state getting together. It is not the same as greeting peers on the street. No?
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 18, 2009 11:24 am ET)
                       
                    It has nothing to do with the picture of Ike as we were both unlikely to see any situations regarding protocol or even two heads of state getting together. It is not the same as greeting peers on the street. No? - openmind

                    Do we really have to explain this to these people? I know you want to have an open mind and that is truly admirable. But, how remedial do we have to get in order to explain the obvious to the far-right? Personally, I think maybe we should stop catering to the stupidest amongst us. Let them sit at the kids' table and babble on about bowing and shaking hands and using terms they clearly do not understand (socialism). Then maybe the adults in this country can actually have some tough conversations and get some things done. You know....progress.
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        • Author by SO76 (November 17, 2009 12:42 am ET)
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          You have got to be kidding. Even with visual evidence, you try to spin facts to fallacy. When this happened earlier ( Obama bowing ) even Nixon aides said of course he bowed, he was a President that was very aware of protocol and would most certainly observe other country's customs. I can't believe this, but it proves just like a Fox News watcher, facts don't count, even when they post them in front of your face, its all about the spin. I hope you are not serving on a jury any time soon, because it would take an unbelievable amount of evidence to convict someone. You are ignoring visual evidence and spin it to you're on contorted views. Wow!!
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        • Author by jediknight65 (November 17, 2009 9:58 am ET)
             
          and they kiss both cheeks
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          • Author by SLRTX (November 17, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
               
            jediknight65 -

            "and they kiss both cheeks"

            I assume you are speaking of the French. I missed that one.

            In all my travels to France, I shook many hands, a couple of cheek-kisses (never business associates - friends only), but never a bow.

            Japan? Yes. Always a bow, but at certain angles, depending on who you were.

            If Ike did bow, I'm sure it was in jest, because he and De Gaulle were comrades during the war. They were close friends.
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    • Author by Lizinbklyn (November 16, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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      Doesn't Mensa Member Doochey do 'ERRORS IN CHILDRENS' TEXT BOOKS' segments??

      W-H-Y ??
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    • Author by mk3872 (November 16, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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      I feel sorry for these fellas at FNC ... What a miserable existence it must be to obsess this much over petty things like bows & symbols. Yuk.
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (November 16, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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      Lets not forget George holding hand with the guy with all the oil.
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    • Author by draftedin68 (November 16, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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      All shook up...

      Despite what the fact-devoid, teleprompter-reading babblers at FOX NEWS believe (because Roger Ailes tells them what to believe), George Washington preferred a bow to a handshake.

      Ooops!

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      • Author by jediknight65 (November 16, 2009 1:39 pm ET)
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        you are correct...at the time...that was the acceptable method of greeting.

        thomas jefferson decided to shake things up and was the one to introduce the handshake when a dignitary presented himself to the president in the united states.
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    • Author by salg01 (November 16, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
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      its not unprecedented but if you look at the previous presidents bows compared to his its shows once again how week and pathetic he looks to the world with how low he went. Its almost saying your above me. That kind of bow is meant for peasants, servants and common folk not the supposedly most powerful man in the world. Just another example of his weakness with the world.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 16, 2009 10:38 pm ET)
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        It's amazing how many falsehoods can be contained in a single paragraph. You are going for a quadruple hat trick there.
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      • Author by baba19 (November 16, 2009 10:43 pm ET)
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        Wait a minute. I thought no other presidents bowed to another world leader. Didn't you watch the clip? Unprecedented.

        ...Yeah, I didn't watch it either. I can't watch Fuchs and Fiends or anything else on ClusterFox. I look to my morning cereal for my daily dose of Fruit Loops.

        I'm not going to go so far out on a limb as to claim to know how the entire rest of the world perceived the bow (you know, because I'm not THE WORLD), but I would think the rest of the world finds it refreshing that the U.S. president treats them with respect.
        Furthermore, with regard to that weak perception, remember what the election results would have been had the whole world voted:
        http://www.economist.com/Vote2008/

        I guess that was a year ago; maybe world opinion overwhelmingly changed after the election:
        http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/views_on_countriesregions_bt/618.php

        Ahem... well, maybe in Japan where he bowed the view of him is overwhelmingly unfavorable:
        http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1409/obama-asia-trip-popular-japan-china-south-korea

        oh... um... nevermind.
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      • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 10:54 pm ET)
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        You guys really look even more pathetic than usual when you try to use these non-incidents as some sort of anectdotal evidence to backup your idiotic theories.
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      • Author by alien (November 17, 2009 6:28 pm ET)
           
        I'm going to go ahead and speculate that you think Obama looks pathetic because you are in fact a racist.. if you can read into his thoughts, i will read into yours

        additionally..

        i'm not sure how this "show of weakness" actually plays out. Does it drastically alter the tenor of any subsequent meetings with the Japanese? Does it reveal cracks in the alliance, affect policymakers, and shift balances of power in appreciable ways?
        its all speculation, and mostly based on nameless fears

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    • Author by wesley (November 16, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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      I agree with some of the others above...the Nixon and Ike photos are pretty flimsy evidence.

      However, I find little fault with Pres.Obama's bow to the Japanese emperor. His actions should speak a lot louder than any symbolic gesture of respect.

      At this point in time I call the bow...no harm, no foul.
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    • Author by greybeards (November 16, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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      Now why do you suppose the 46 other world leaders did not bow to the Emperor? Was President O-bow-ma the ONLY leader who conveyed respect?

      Think people! Think!

      Greybeard
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      • Author by wesley (November 16, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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        -- President O-bow-ma -- greybeards

        Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 16, 2009 10:40 pm ET)
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          I know who I am, and "O-bow-ma" isn't funny.
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        • Author by bewildered (November 16, 2009 11:02 pm ET)
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          I suppose that was funny.

          It's better that everybody just relax and laugh at the indiscretion than to take it seriously.

          Although unnecessary it was harmless. No harm no foul.
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          • Author by bewildered (November 18, 2009 2:19 am ET)
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            I post here often and I like President Obama. In general, I don't side with wingnut arguments and some people have obviously blown the bowing thing way out of proportion.

            I see no harm in bowing, but admittedly the extremely formal bow used by Pres. Obama was truly unnecessary. However, all the wingnuts that are making a big deal about this are just grabbing at anything they can to criticize even when criticism is also unnecessary.

            Here's the low down:

            http://gojapan.about.com/cs/etiquetteinjapan/a/bowing.htm

            Bowing seems simple, but there are some different ways of bowing. It depends on the social status or age of the person you bow to. If the person is higher status or older than you are, it's common to bow deeper and longer, showing respect.


            A more formal way of bowing is performed to a 45-degree angle looking down at your feet. This type of bow signifies deep gratitude, a respectful greeting, a formal apology, asking for favors, and so on.


            A simpler bow would've sufficed as a form of greeting.
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      • Author by open_mind (November 16, 2009 10:59 pm ET)
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        When did George Washington ever meet the Emperor of Japan? How many of the 46 ever met him besides Nixon apparently seen bowing in the picture up above? I think you should ask people not to think as that only succeeds in making your post more difficult to understand.
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        • Author by Brabantio (November 17, 2009 8:54 am ET)
             
          He's talking about 46 world leaders within the last six years meeting this particular Emperor. There's a video compilation on some right-wing sites.

          A couple of things about that;first, some of the people do seem to be giving slight bows, and second, it's all still photographs, when only video can show that someone did not bow when meeting the Emperor.
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    • Author by truepatriot (November 16, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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      The point isn't the act of bowing. It is the fact that when we gained independence we we no longer under anyone. While I agree Pres. Obama needs to show respect, there is no need in bowing. We are free people, forced to bow to no one. A handshake is perfectly acceptable in those situations. The problem is that we have a president who simply is not aware of American history or American protocol.
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      • Author by Old_Benjamin (November 16, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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        The problem is that we have a president who simply is not aware of American history or American protocol.


        You sure he isn't aware of American history? And as for American protocol, since he was in Japan, shouldn'ty he be following Japanese protocol?

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      • Author by RedRightHand (November 17, 2009 6:13 am ET)
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        Someone forced Obama to bow? I think actually he chose to bow. Isn't the essence of freedom, the freedom to choose to show respect or not? And doesn't that show of respect mean all the more because he chose to bow?
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      • Author by jediknight65 (November 17, 2009 10:00 am ET)
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        the president was in the country of his host. it is customary to do the portocols of the host country
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    • Author by highliter (November 16, 2009 4:53 pm ET)
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      Wow very weak MMFA.
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    • Author by jrundin (November 16, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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      Ya know, bowing is pretty normal behavior in Japan. People do it all the time to one another. It's a basic courtesy there.

      I have no problem with our President showing some cultural sensitivity and being polite on Japanese terms.

      This controversy is meant to bamboozle dopes.

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      • Author by steve davis (November 16, 2009 8:39 pm ET)
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        <smile> Something funny about Japan and "bamboozle" showing up in contiguous sentences. Now I'm going to have to hunt through OED to see if "bamboozle" actually had anything originally to do with bamboo.
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    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (November 16, 2009 9:55 pm ET)
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      Idiot. It's called protocol.
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    • Author by Marge (November 16, 2009 10:28 pm ET)
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      Doocy also interviewed Rove who was spittling about having the terrorist trial in New York. He said the Twin Towers was an attack on the military and should be handled by a military tribunal. I thought the Twin Towers was an attack on civilians. Doocy agrees and said yes and having a military trial was what your administration was trying to do all along.

      Where did that come in. Did any one know of the bush administration trying to have a military trial of terrorists and the democrats stopped him. I don't know how in the world this channel gets away with the stuff they do. I still say the correct name for them is Republican infomerical Channel.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 16, 2009 10:44 pm ET)
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        Were any on-duty military personnel killed in the attack on the twin towers? I don't remember hearing of any. Now, there were some killed in the Pentagon, I believe, but that isn't what Rove said.
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    • Author by pretarvis9399 (November 17, 2009 7:37 am ET)
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      I used to bow in karate class all the time. It's a simple show of respect. Doocy ought to just showing up everyday wearing a Republican t-shirt.
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      • Author by Brabantio (November 17, 2009 9:08 am ET)
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        I've played in tournaments in Japan (one of the two first Americans to play in the Meijin), and I bowed as well. The more I think about it, the more certain I am that I bowed while shaking hands with opponents. Maybe it makes a difference that it was while sitting after finishing a game, but I don't remember anyone being shocked by it or telling me it was improper.
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    • Author by rsinebada7366 (November 17, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
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      Not only did I curtsy to the Queen of England, we visited for a bit after the curtsy. Oh,my, oh, my, my Irish ancestors would again arise and arm themselves.
      Peg
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