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Quick Fact: On Limbaugh, Palin repeats dubious claim that Reagan faced worse recession than current one

November 17, 2009 3:59 pm ET — 30 Comments

On Rush Limbaugh's nationally syndicated radio show, Sarah Palin claimed that former President Reagan "faced a tougher recession than what we're facing today," echoing a similar assertion made in her memoir, Going Rogue: An American Life. In fact, as the Associated Press noted in addressing her book, "Economists overwhelmingly say the current recession is far worse."

Palin: Reagan "faced a tougher recession than what we're facing today"

From the November 17 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:

PALIN: Let's go back to what Reagan did in the early '80s and stay committed to those commonsense, free-market principles that work. He faced a tougher recession than what we're facing today. He cut those taxes, ramped up industry, and we pulled out of that recession. We need to revisit that.[The Rush Limbaugh Show, 11/17/09]

AP: "Economists overwhelmingly say the current recession is far worse."

In its November 14 "Fact Check" of Palin's memoir, the AP reported that Palin "[s]ays Ronald Reagan faced an even worse recession than the one that appears to be ending now." In response, the AP stated: "Economists overwhelmingly say the current recession is far worse. The recession Reagan faced lasted for 16 months; this one is in its 23rd month. The recession of the early 1980s did not have a financial meltdown. Unemployment peaked at 10.8 percent, worse than the October 2009 high of 10.2 percent, but the jobless rate is still expected to climb."

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    • Author by fantagor (November 17, 2009 4:19 pm ET)
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      I must have missed the 700 BILLION Reagan authorized to bailout Wall St. back in 1981.

      Next, Palin will claim Reagan ended the Cold War and lowered taxes.

      Randy
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      • Author by jason10006 (November 17, 2009 4:49 pm ET)
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        That $700 billion happened under Bush 2...
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        • Author by greybeards (November 17, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
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          Of which your man Obama voted in favor of!
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        • Author by DellDolly (November 17, 2009 6:10 pm ET)
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          Yeah, so what?

          No one said that Obama did it.

          The issue is, what recession was worse? The one while Reagan was in office, or the one we're in now, which included the $700 Billion bank-savings plan that Bush rolled out?
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (November 17, 2009 7:37 pm ET)
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        Next, Palin will claim Reagan ended the Cold War and lowered taxes.

        Actually I am pretty sure she has said that and, if not, there are other Repubs who have said it.

        Remember, we are talking about St. Reagan and there wasn't anything he did that was ordained from above.

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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (November 17, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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      Hey Sarah, Reagan raised taxes 7 times after the "magical tax cut" and still managed to triple the national debt.

      The solution to the Reagan recession was taming inflation and reducing interest rates from high double digits.

      Hint...it wasn't the tax cut
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    • Author by searching4eib (November 17, 2009 6:25 pm ET)
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      Ronald Reagan was no economic guru. Yes, he lowered taxes and the deficits soared. The rich prospered and the working class was left to suck on it. I remember the great orator saying that deficits don’t matter. The national debt doubled and the spending was out of control. Bush 1 and Clinton later brought it under control. Reagan way to fix medicare and social security was to raise their respective taxes. I have nothing against Reagan personally or politically. It is just pathetic how the far right distorts his actual record. He was not one of the best Presidents of the United States. He should have gone to trial with the Iran Contra affair. But that is politics Washington.
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    • Author by Janniel (November 17, 2009 7:47 pm ET)
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      Hey Partisans, This shouldn't be a contest, just cooperate and fix the thing.
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    • Author by mefirst (November 17, 2009 8:25 pm ET)
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      reagan did not have the added problem of our large auto companies being on the very edge of bankruptcy, along with a lot of other businesses. he had to deal with unemployment, yes, but the situation was not comparable to the mess at the end of the bush2 years. nor did "cutting taxes" stimulate the economy either in the bush2 or reagan years. employment increased steadily after clinton increased taxes at the beginning of his term and put us on the road to a balanced budget. [those awful clinton years]
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      • Author by rrastro (November 18, 2009 2:21 am ET)
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        those awful dot com bubble years...
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        • Author by mefirst (November 18, 2009 10:13 am ET)
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          clinton's job creation rate was high well before the dot com bubble, which came at the end of his presidency. bush's job creation rate for his two terms was next to nothing.
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      • Author by oldmaninblackforest (November 18, 2009 10:50 am ET)
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        UAW have driven the American auto manufactures into bankruptcy... Lets face it even the "rich" don't have as sweet a deal as the retired UAW "workers" have...
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (November 18, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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          UAW have driven the American auto manufactures into bankruptcy...

          Sure. The workers were responsible for producing cars that nobody wanted to buy. Please come back to reality.
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        • Author by Unreality (November 18, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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          It's not the UAW, it's finance.

          The problem auto dealers have had is they can't get FINANCING due to credit crunch starting in late summer early fall of 2008.

          Go talk to a car dealer (if you can find one still in business) about flooring loans. That's the money the dealer borrows to put all those shiny cars on the lot so the slick sales guy and get you to drive out today.

          A friend of mine sells aftermarket electronics to high end dealers and introduced me to flooring loans. The local Toyota dealership opened a huge new store off the freeway near the Oakland Coliseum, and closed down 7 days later because they couldn't get flooring loans for their 5 regional stores.

          The second problem is that when credit dried up, dealers couldn't offer buyers a choice of bank financing or dealer financing. C'mon, why do you think Hyundai was offering to take back a car if you lost your job in the next 12 months?



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        • Author by DellDolly (November 18, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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          It is true that UAW workers have great benefits when they retire.

          So what? What does that have to do with Sarah Palin's lie about how bad this recession is compared to Reagan's?
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    • Author by yankeefan19252745 (November 17, 2009 10:55 pm ET)
         
      Dear sirs,
      Bert Lance's bank was, and is, solvent.
      David Stockman's company declared bankruptcy withjin a week of his resignation.
      Liars making statistics?
      Clifford Spencer
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    • Author by sararaisedtaxes (November 18, 2009 12:24 am ET)
         
      Sarah was right that Reagan never cut taxes if, as she does, you completely ignore the poor and middle-class. As the NYT explained in October 1988, he raised taxes at least 10 ways:

      In 1982 the Administration supported a measure that doubled cigarette taxes and increased local telephone taxes, among other provisions. Another measure raised taxes on gasoline and other motor fuels. Both were enacted.

      The next year, the President signed a law that raised the Social Security payroll tax to 7.65 percent from 6.7 percent over a seven-year period. This tax is paid by both employers and employees and, since it is levied on only the first $43,800 of income, has a greater impact on low-income workers than on the well-to-do.

      In 1984, the President and Congress agreed to raise taxes on liquor, telephones and estates and to eliminate some tax preferences.
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    • Author by egb (November 18, 2009 2:45 am ET)
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      Not to worry. In O's defense, he will soon exceed the 10.8% unemployment so he can claim his job is harder than Reagan's without dispute.

      Of course, O loaded the dice by fueling unemployment. Reagan at least played honestly. O had a number of opportunities to lessen unemployment but he passed on all of them and listened to Summers and some Kruger and used the Bush theory of trickle up. All he did was spend a lot of money [$1T] and got nothing for it. He told us we'd know where every dime was spent, but no one can find the money now.

      Palin's comments pale to insignificance when you consider what O has done to this country.
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      • Author by benjr (November 18, 2009 10:44 am ET)
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        First of all, all that is completely and utterly incorrect. "loaded the dice by fueling unemployement". . . I must have missed the speech President Obama gave in favor of unemployment. Second of all, the issue at hand on this webpage is that Palin is making a claim that 1) is disputed by economists and 2) is politicizing this recession. Way to go Sarah! She needs to just stop talking about things she doesn't understand.
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        • Author by oldmaninblackforest (November 18, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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          Disputed by the economist YOU choose to hear and bow to... Not supported by even a majority of economist. Let's face it when Reagan took over the ecomony was SO bad we had the Jimmy Carter "Misery Index". what 17% inflation, HUGE unemployment numbers (not as bad as BOs are going to be), double digit mortgage interest rates.

          AND FYI - Reagan DID put the brakes on the cold war, what you credit jimmy carter... He COULDN'T even rescue the hostages... Pathetic.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (November 18, 2009 11:22 am ET)
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            You may find this interesting, but it wasn't Reagan or Gorbachav or the flawed communist system that ended the cold war.

            It was the Beatles. Yes, John/Paul/George/Ringo were arguably the biggest factor in ending communist rule in Russia.
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          • Author by benjr (November 18, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
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            Can you show me how many economists support your contention? I believe that a majority of economists do support my view, but I'm willing to look at it.
            By the way, since you're responding to my post can you tell me where I credited Jimmy Carter with ending the Cold War, or with even mentioning the Cold War at all? I wrote about PALIN. Neither Carter nor Reagan enter that conversation. Stop living in the past, and if you're going to respond to something I wrote, respond to what I wrote, not what you think you read.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (November 18, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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            All I got to say is Iran-Contra,selling arms to our enemies,some rescue,and lets not forget the 289 servicemen he liberated from from their lives in Beirut by leaving them unarmed and sitting ducks in their unprotected baracks. S&L deregulation and resulting collaspe and bailout by the government at the cost of $500 billion and deficits that had to be corrected by Bill Clinton only to be undone again by another repugnican Georgie "I'am protecting Texas from the viet Cong" Bush. It seems all you conservatioves do is complain about the government doesn't work only to prove it when you hold power. I challenge you to name one republican president in the last 29yrs that balanced the budget and didn't increase debt or one policy that they have proposed that has worked.
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          • Author by wulverine3923 (November 18, 2009 7:58 pm ET)
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            Oldman, your wrong. Period. End of cold war was actually an accident, covered recently in the paper, ya gotta keep up with current events. The policy of M.A.D. and economics forced the cold war to end, the people living under tyranny caused it to end, Reagan just happened to be President at the time. Thats it. Try not sound so fox newsish. oh..and study your history please with out the Red Glasses on. Geesh. I'm willing to bet, that you absolutely dismiss any argument or suggestion if its uttered by someone you consider liberal..must be a heavy burden always being right.
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    • Author by yankeefan19252745 (November 18, 2009 11:26 am ET)
         
      Dear Sirs,
      Compare Bert Lance with david Stockman.
      That should make it perfectly clear.
      Clifford Spencer
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    • Author by Turk72 (November 18, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
         
      Let us not forget it was Reagan that appointed Greenspan who began the process of deregulation that lead to the collapse we are now dealing with, and it was Reagan that created a deficit larger than his three predecessors combined. Ronald Regan was well liked because he knew how to give a good speach and appear wise to the average joe schmo. As a figure head he was great but as a leader he was an idiot.
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    • Author by jcalton (November 18, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
         
      Even so, are they saying that Reagan fixed his recession in 12 months? That appears to be the GOP pass/fail threshold.

      If we had proven methods of transforming our economy into ideal conditions in 1 year, why wouldn't we do it every year?

      "Oh, sure, we could max out per-capita GDP and employment right now, but let's save it for a rainy day."
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