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Quick Fact: WSJ's Freeman claims "there hasn't been any warming since 1998"; climate experts disagree

November 21, 2009 4:22 pm ET — 21 Comments

Wall Street Journal assistant editorial page editor James Freeman claimed that efforts to pass cap and trade legislation will fail because there is "no premise" for such legislation since "there hasn't been any warming since 1998," later adding that "there's no proof that this is happening as a result of man's activities, in fact, lately, it's not even happening anymore."

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From the November 21 edition of Fox News' The Journal Editorial Report:

FREEMAN: $800 billion is a lot of money. The cost is huge, and that's probably an underestimate. But, you know, there's also that little detail that there hasn't been any warming since 1998, so.

STUART VARNEY (host): But what really killed it here? Was it economics, was it the cost that killed it, or something else?

FREEMAN: Well, what is the argument for it? If you're saying this is a massive cost, even bigger than this crazy stimulus, even bigger than the TARP, and by the way, there's no proof that this is happening as a result of man's activities, in fact, lately, it's not even happening anymore. So it basically has no premise right now.

Fact: Climate scientists reject conservative claim that recent global average temperatures indicate global warming has stopped

Climate experts reject the idea that the relatively cooler global average temperatures in several of the last 10 years are any indication that global warming is slowing or does not exist. Scientists have identified a long-term warming trend spanning several decades that is independent from the normal climate variability -- which includes relatively short-term changes in climate due to events like El Niño and La Niña -- to which they attribute the recent cooler temperatures.

Fact: Climate experts overwhelmingly believe global warming caused by "man's activities"

The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) 2007 "Synthesis Report" concluded that "[w]arming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice and rising global average sea level" and that "[m]ost of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely [defined in the report as a ">90%" chance] due to the observed increase in anthropogenic [human-caused] GHG [greenhouse gas] concentrations." According to its website, IPCC is "the leading body for the assessment of climate change, established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO)," and "[t]housands of scientists from all over the world contribute to" its work.

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    • Author by ephg (November 21, 2009 11:18 pm ET)
         
      The latest BS is that the earth has stopped warming and is now cooling. Some people just have negative IQ points!
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    • Author by rrastro (November 22, 2009 9:07 am ET)
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      too bad that historically warm temperatures bring larger yields and that no one has explained why this warm period is caused primarily or only by co2 but not past warm periods
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      • Author by SNuss (November 22, 2009 9:56 am ET)
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        Maybe you of the Left should be more concerned about the next Ice Age, rather than the so-called "Global Warming".

        You might find this comment interesting: "Many climate scientists believe the planet oscillates between warmer and colder periods without human intervention (italics mine) due to various factors related to its orbital path and also variations in heat output from the Sun on a millennial scale—and that we are naturally heading toward another ice age, regardless of greenhouse gas emissions, over the next several dozen millennia.
        Source: http://www.infozine.com/news/stories/op/storiesView/sid/38582/
        So much for the so-called "consensus" on man-made Global Warming.


        Read more about the Ice Age at: http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/Ice_Age.html
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      • Author by cugagcmu805031 (November 22, 2009 11:13 pm ET)
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        So the solution is not to try to conserve and preserve the earth, just go all willy nilly and live only for today with no thoughts of future generations? If you believe the endtimes are near, ignoring the data would be what you would do. I don't, and I won't.
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        • Author by rrastro (November 23, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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          The answer is that co2 and heat are not destroying the earth. that we need to take a step back and reconsider computer models that do not agree with the results of past warming.


          "Most years passed with good harvests and enough to eat. Average summer temperatures were between 0.7 and 1.0[degree]C above twentieth-century averages. Central European summers were even warmer, as much as 1.4[degrees]C higher than their modern averages. May frosts, always a hazard for warmth loving crops, were virtually unknown between 1100 and 1300." Brian Fagan, The Little Ice Agebasic books, 2000

          "P.D. Nunn (2007). Most of this 300-page book can be found on Google books ... Nunn, who is a Professor of Geography and IPCC author, finds clear evidence for the MWP [mediaeval warm period] and a rapid cooling event around 1300 AD." http://globalwarmingquestions.googlepages.com/mwp

          http://www.stanford.edu/~moore/Boon_To_Man.html

          By the way, north africa and egyt were the bread basket of rome when they were cooling and rains were slowing but still sufficient.

          NO FEAR
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        • Author by galileonardo (November 24, 2009 3:15 am ET)
             
          Speaking of "ignoring the data."

          ugag, I'm willing to bet that I am more an environmentalist than you. As I've said before, it isn't possible for those in the AGW camp to fathom that an environmentalist and naturalist such as myself did not buy into the AGW propagandist drone.

          I didn't need Al Gore to tell me to be a good steward of the Earth and its inhabitants. My family of three produces over a ton less garbage per year than the average American family. We are members of a number of environmental organizations and have been for a long time. We belong to a local farmer co-op. We compost, recycle, reuse, reduce, etc.

          I am an environmentalist despite your protests. In fact, that is one of my primary gripes with all of this: the diversion of resources from real environmental issues and the potential damage to green causes when this AGW house of cards topples, as apparently now seems inevitable (thankfully).

          I am also a scientist and inherently a skeptic (the foundation of science). I certainly will not be duped by the propagandists into believing in such a weak theory. I have instead read many papers and invested much time in independently investigating the issue. Have you? If not, you are just as much a religious zealot in preaching AGW as those who do believe in end times.

          Best of luck with that approach. I prefer the less sheep-like route, thank you very much. In the meantime, chip...chip...chip...


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      • Author by DougD (November 22, 2009 11:31 pm ET)
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        too bad you don't read very well. Your bizarre claim is contradicted by the first fact above. If you don't have a clue about science, such as the meaning of the term "independent", then you really should be quiet.
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        • Author by rrastro (November 23, 2009 11:16 am ET)
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          I dont see any information in the facts above regarding crop yields. While science is good at explaining facts it's not so great about explaining and discovering facts, its no substitute for history.

          "Most years passed with good harvests and enough to eat. Average summer temperatures were between 0.7 and 1.0[degree]C above twentieth-century averages. Central European summers were even warmer, as much as 1.4[degrees]C higher than their modern averages. May frosts, always a hazard for warmth loving crops, were virtually unknown between 1100 and 1300." Brian Fagan, The Little Ice Agebasic books, 2000

          "P.D. Nunn (2007). Most of this 300-page book can be found on Google books ... Nunn, who is a Professor of Geography and IPCC author, finds clear evidence for the MWP [mediaeval warm period] and a rapid cooling event around 1300 AD." http://globalwarmingquestions.googlepages.com/mwp

          Now then, global warming generally results in improved conditions so fear and rapid response are foolish.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (November 23, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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            Now then, global warming generally results in improved conditions

            Except for those coastal areas that will be flooded out of existence. Don't worry, your mountaintop retreat will be safe.

            I suggest using the google and look up what the Pentagon has rated as the #1 national security issue.

            (hint - it's global climate change)
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            • Author by rrastro (November 24, 2009 1:22 am ET)
                 
              that is absurd for dod to care and sea levels have a max of about 20 feet to rise. Ill trade green deserts for lost coast
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            • Author by galileonardo (November 24, 2009 3:29 am ET)
                 
              Mountaintop retreat...at least that isn't alarmist.
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        • Author by rrastro (November 23, 2009 11:32 am ET)
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          If you havent a clue about me you should restrict your ad hominem
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        • Author by galileonardo (November 24, 2009 3:28 am ET)
             
          It is all about the science, is it not?

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    • Author by sang (November 22, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
         
      So called experts have been making expensive claims for years, that's the fact. actually their computer models don't seem to be working out to well. this is a scam to dig deeper into our pockets. it's one thing to buy a sensible car but another to pay to exhale.
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    • Author by gpp (November 22, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
         
      The best source of temperature data is from satellite measurement of atmospheric temperatures. All satellite sources show temperatures cooling since 2002 even though CO2 levels are increasing.

      Ocean temperatures have also been cooler since 2002.

      [http://icecap.us/images/uploads/MSUCRUCO2.jpg]

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    • Author by wulverine3923 (November 23, 2009 5:06 am ET)
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      How much evidence will you need before you take action? It seems that something like the bible is taken in blind faith, but here we have something that has supporting evidence, that global warming is indeed happening, and it is indeed Man's fault. Does anyone really understand that changing over to more "green" industries, getting rid of our dependence on fossil fuels, and using renewables like Solar, Wind, and wave will not only make us a stronger more independent nation, but one that can once again claim the moral high ground. Honestly, those of you out there still swallowing this bunk about it just being a "cycle" need to wake up and smell the coffee. Are you not a patriot? Do you not want us to be indpendent of other Nations when it comes to energy use and consumption, do you not want to lowere health care costs? Why is it, that when people suggest that we make America stronger, and give good, long term solutions, the conservatives cry foul, and then clam up with their checkbooks, yet, when they cry about a strong national defense, and want to buy a few more planes or bombs, thats a justified expenditure. Give me a break, you lost, please use this time for contemplation, and go read a few books, books on the economy, history, and Morality should be high on your list of things to read. Come back when you truly are a common sense, smart, future looking conservative, quit falling for the evangelical right wing fear mongering.
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      • Author by rrastro (November 23, 2009 11:17 am ET)
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        Burn coal and gas...we have plenty.


        "Most years passed with good harvests and enough to eat. Average summer temperatures were between 0.7 and 1.0[degree]C above twentieth-century averages. Central European summers were even warmer, as much as 1.4[degrees]C higher than their modern averages. May frosts, always a hazard for warmth loving crops, were virtually unknown between 1100 and 1300." Brian Fagan, The Little Ice Agebasic books, 2000

        "P.D. Nunn (2007). Most of this 300-page book can be found on Google books ... Nunn, who is a Professor of Geography and IPCC author, finds clear evidence for the MWP [mediaeval warm period] and a rapid cooling event around 1300 AD." http://globalwarmingquestions.googlepages.com/mwp

        just two...
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      • Author by HeeNow (November 23, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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        You should open your mind as well. You can start here:

        http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9

        and move on to some independent research of your own here:

        http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/

        Actually, nothing is settled, including why temperatures are rising on other solar system planets and some satellites of those planets. Instead of frantic arm-waving encouraging others to throw money at something, try studying it a little more.
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      • Author by galileonardo (November 24, 2009 3:48 am ET)
           
        How much evidence will you need before you take action (absolutely)? It seems that something like the bible is taken in blind faith (AGW is the definition of blind faith), but here we have something that has supporting evidence (such as this), that global warming is indeed happening (indeed), and it is indeed Man's fault (you forgot an "n", it's mostly Mann's fault for inventing the hockey stick). Does anyone really understand that changing over to more "green" industries, getting rid of our dependence on fossil fuels, and using renewables like Solar, Wind, and wave will not only make us a stronger more independent nation (hmm), but one that can once again claim the moral high ground (yep, moral high ground). Honestly, those of you out there still swallowing this bunk about it just being a "cycle" need to wake up and smell the coffee (I'll take decaf)...Give me a break, you lost (surely), please use this time for contemplation, and go read a few books, books on the economy, history, and Morality should be high on your list of things to read (oh and don't forget to read this and this and this.

        Come back when you truly are a common sense, smart, future looking liberal, quit falling for the endless left-wing fear mongering that is AGW.
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