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Quick Fact: Fox News' Scott claims hacked emails "suggest some scientists manipulate data on global warming"

November 25, 2009 3:20 pm ET — 18 Comments

On Fox News' Happening Now, co-host Jon Scott stated that climate scientists' emails that were apparently stolen by hackers from the UK's Climate Research Unit (CRU) suggest that "some scientists manipulate data on global warming." Scott then quoted an email sent by Phil Jones, head of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, which stated: "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline"; however, the email Scott quoted has been cited by RealClimate.org as "[o]ne example" of "instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded 'gotcha' phrases [being] pulled out of context."

From the November 25 edition of Fox News' Happening Now:

SCOTT: Scientists researching climate change have their emails hacked, and some of the mail suggests some scientists manipulate data on global warming. One of them reads, "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." This is a controversy rocking the scientific community right now. [Happening Now, 11/25/09]

Jones' email was distorted, "pulled out of context"

Numerous climate scientists have explained that the purportedly offensive terms have been taken out of context. Several climate scientists have criticized efforts to take Jones' email out of context. In a November 20 post, Real Climate's staff, which is made up of several working climate scientists, cited Jones' 1999 email -- which Scott read -- as "[o]ne example" of "instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded 'gotcha' phrases [being] pulled out of context." Moreover, a November 20 Guardian article reported that Bob Ward, director of policy and communications at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics, said of Jones' email: "It does look incriminating on the surface, but there are lots of single sentences that taken out of context can appear incriminating. ... You can't tell what they are talking about. Scientists say 'trick' not just to mean deception. They mean it as a clever way of doing something -- a short cut can be a trick." Further, RealClimate.org explained that "[s]cientists often use the term 'trick' to refer to a 'a good way to deal with a problem,' " and that "hiding the decline" refers to a method that is "completely appropriate."

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    • Author by ScienceBuff (November 25, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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      When something like this comes along I can't help but wonder how many of the conservatives are stupid enough to lap up the bilge they're being served because they believe it, and how many echo it simply because it fits with their chosen biases.
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      • Author by peace4all (November 25, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
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        the quick answer would be all of them.
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      • Author by LarryE (November 27, 2009 2:41 am ET)
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        Like the Holocaust deniers, the Moon landing deniers, the evolution deniers, the birthers and deathers, and the rest, global warming deniers will be with us for some time, convinced with all the intensity of the True Believer that their chosen fantasy is The Truth which is being suppressed by a powerful cabal and who will embrace any shred of innuendo as irrefutable proof of the Great Conspiracy - no matter how many times they are shown to be either wrong, misinformed, or simply utterly ignorant about the subjects they presume to address.

        In the course of this discussion over a few threads, I have had people tell me, just as examples,

        - that things that are in plain sight on graphs are "hidden,"

        - that being upset over the publication of a poorly-written paper that should never have survived peer review is proof of a plot to "suppress skeptic papers,"

        - that replying to a request for appropriate names for a peer review panel is "manipulation of the peer review process,"

        - that the frustration of a programmer attempting to combine multiple (and multiply-formatted) data sets, each with their own necessary corrections, into one cohesive whole proves that there is no reliable temperature data at all,

        - that out-of-context emails absolutely prove things they don't say,

        - that irritation with having to deal with unending requests from nanny-nanny naysayers for more and more background information is clear evidence of an intention to hide data that questions global warming,

        - that trying to understand why two sets of observations give different results demonstrates deception,

        - that the common, everyday practice of applying corrections to data is a slam-dunk case for falsification of results, and

        - that discussing the limitations of a model used (something every reputable scientist does) proves the model has no value at all.

        The list of paranoid-driven, conspiracy-mongering, naysayer claims goes on and on.

        What the leaked emails show at worst is some scientists being crabby, irritable, short-tempered, frustrated at dealing with those they consider fools, intemperate in language in what was supposed to be private correspondence - in short, some scientists behaving badly on a personal level. But for all of the stretches, all of the fill-in-the-blanks arguments citing words that aren't there, all of the wide-eyed gasps and "What about THIS????" finger-pointing from people who clearly don't understand what they're reading, that is, when you strip away the claims based on innuendo or ignorance, the evidence of them actually behaving badly on a scientific, on a professional level, is sorely lacking. Talking smack, I note for the record, is not evidence.

        But none of that matters to them. So like mosquitoes, the nanny-nanny naysayers will always be around. And like mosquitoes, they are mostly annoying - but they can carry and transmit (in this case political) disease.
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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (November 25, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
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      adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years


      I fail to see how adding in the real temperatures is at all under-handed. Now, if they had added in phony temps...

      I guess it proves that people will believe what they want to believe.
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      • Author by Hoboduke (November 26, 2009 9:39 am ET)
           
        It seems the"solutions" being promoted are somewhat simple minded to the supposed complex problems of climate change. The scientific arguments, that I cannot follow are then converted into the final kicker. "Of course, this is too complex for you dunderheads, so just stop life, and back to nature! And give us money for books, videos and how to save the world" My childhood consisted of worries of dying from tuna (consumed above average by me), the population bomb would kill us 30 years ago (had family without end of world), and pollution would end life (the forest annual forest fires in California out pollutes all autos in USA.).
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      • Author by jfischoff (November 27, 2009 2:59 am ET)
           
        Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

        When they hear "hide the decline" they think the scientists are referring to hiding global cooling. The are not. They were trying to prevent other scientists from seeing that there tree temperature proxies are poorly correlated with the real temperature data. This significantly increases the uncertainty of their temperature reconstruction for the last thousand years. They left out data so they could conclude we are experiencing unusually warming now. So the republicans are wrong but the scientists were still trying to mislead their readers.

        The paper Jones is referring to I believe is here: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/millennium-camera.pdf
        The graph in question is on page 12. Because of the time scale, it looks as the correlation holds.


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    • Author by pete592 (November 25, 2009 6:26 pm ET)
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      I seen 'em. Them scientists are up there on Kilimanjaro and the Greenland ice sheet with blow torches manipulatin' the data!
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    • Author by gburdell1 (November 25, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
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      "Trick" is indeed used by scientists to mean "a clever way of doing something" or "a good way to deal with a problem." An example in computer science and electrical engineering is the "kernel trick."
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    • Author by felixw (November 25, 2009 8:39 pm ET)
         
      Give me a break. You think these emails take things out of context. The problem is that the context is even more damaging to the global warming advocates. We find heavy handed attempts to prevent scientists from publishing in peer-reviewed journals "even if it means changing the definition of peer review." We find coordinated efforts to destroy incriminating emails. We find admissions that the last decade of cooling can't be explained. We find hate speech. We find refusals to release data for validation. We find computer programs that are so error-filled that any projection from them is suspect.

      What will Media Matters publish next? How about an article claiming that the investor statements from Bernie Madoff's outfit were taken out of context?
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    • Author by felixw (November 26, 2009 12:56 am ET)
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      Wow, you folks at Media Matters can dish it out. But when you get criticized, you quickly censor the post. My congrats to the people doing the censoring. If Pravda ever starts hiring again, you will have the perfect resume.
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    • Author by sang (November 26, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
         
      Is it a good practice to attack any voice that speaks out about abuses of the public trust. is the messenger to blame for the wrong doings of climate scientists. Could it be possible that climate scientists would fudge numbers to keep the grant money from the public coffers coming?
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    • Author by Aerows (November 27, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
         
      If you can't see that a huge, miles long island of garbage floating in the Pacific and the pall of pollution that hangs over a city like Atlanta, GA due to interstate traffic is a problem with human pollution, you haven't got a clue in your head.

      Atlanta's problem is directly related to CO emissions. You can stop the symptoms, but you will not stop the disease. Is that what these mad scientists are saying?

      Let's throw up our hands and let the planet implode because we felt it was more politically convenient to wait a while.
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    • Author by jambrose (November 27, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
         
      I just discovered this site and am very pleased at its existence as I have casually discovered many factual errors on the fox network especially involving Beck or Hannity. Unfortunately my father and brother watch these shows occassionally and so as I walk from room to room, I am always hyperaware so that I can point out lies and half-truths to my family. I take in alot of more truth-based media as a defense against the "propaganda machines" so that I can actually do my own thinking and planning.
      I think that Fox needs to be brought to court due to its blatant pattern of fraud and deception thinly coated and called"news". News is theoretically supposed to be reliably verified with sources and methodology of newsgathering presented, ie. how many people were polled and by whom and who can verify this BEFORE citing this information on-air.
      Thanks for all the good work and keep it up!!!!!!
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    • Author by time to fight back (November 28, 2009 11:11 am ET)
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      Let's see, we have made our water un-drinkable in most locations in the world from pollution. We have high concentrations of mercury in our lakes, oceans and the fish that swim in them. We nearly wiped buffalo from the face of the earth, acid rain was once a real threat in the midwest and northeast.

      We have islands of garbage in our oceans. We have contaminated large ground water aquifers, we have had rivers catch fire, we took lead out of our gasoline because people (especially children) were being poisoned with it. How many species are on the endangered list as a result of human activitiy. We have overfished in many areas wiping out species in the process.

      If humans can wreak all of the kinds of damage described above on such large scales, what makes any reasonable, intelligent person actually believe that we have not had a hand in warming this planet?? Worse, is what makes anyone who is presented with facts and evidence deny this is happening? What if all of the experts are right?
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (November 28, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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        What if all of the experts are right?

        You forgot that the experts are all elitist liberal idealogues with an agenda and therefore their opinions/analysis must be dismissed.
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