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GOP "idea man" Gingrich repeats right wing's tired "Climategate" smears

December 02, 2009 5:33 pm ET — 39 Comments

Newt Gingrich -- whom numerous media figures have previously labeled the Republican Party's "idea man" -- recently posted an article on his website echoing other right-wing figures in advancing the dubious claims that the so-called "Climategate" emails stolen from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia indicate that climate scientists have attempted "to manipulate data sets in order to show warming trends" while trying to "suppress" research skeptical of global warming, and that the CRU "destroyed its original raw data" years ago. But Gingrich's claims are based on outlandish distortions and misrepresentations of the contents of the stolen emails, as well as a misleading report on the CRU's data, which greatly undermine his smears.

Media has repeatedly touted Gingrich as "idea man" of the GOP

As Media Matters has documented, Newt Gingrich has been repeatedly touted by the media as an intellectual force in the GOP. For example, during the February 26 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, host Chris Matthews described Gingrich as "the somewhat intellectual -- you know, the commissar of the right, you know, the intellectual idea man." Similarly, an April 14 Associated Press article stated, "With Gingrich, a former college history professor, the ideas sometimes come so fast and furious that even supporters say they can feel overwhelmed by a conversation with him." The article continued: "If Gingrich has his way, those ideas will spawn a movement, something akin to what Barack Obama found himself leading in 2008 as he ran to replace President Bush."

Gingrich "idea": Emails "show a deliberate attempt by several leading climate scientists to manipulate data sets in order to show warming trends"

From Gingrich's article posted on Newt.org December 1:

Emails obtained by hackers from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit show a deliberate attempt by several leading climate scientists to manipulate data sets in order to show warming trends.

[...]

Furthermore, Congress should allocate resources to reassemble raw weather data from around the world and make it publicly available so independent scientists can verify the legitimacy of the "adjusted numbers" of the Climate Research Unit. The United States -- indeed, the world, deserves an answer as to whether the adjusted data used by the IPCC (and Al Gore, with whom they shared the Nobel Prize in 2007) can be trusted. If the Climate Research Unit's adjusted numbers cannot be trusted, the IPCC needs to explain how the exclusion of such unreliable data from its scientific analysis affects the IPCC's current conclusions and recommendations about global warming.

Gingrich "idea" echoes claims made by Glenn Beck, IBD. As Media Matters for America noted, on the November 23 edition of his Fox News show, Glenn Beck read a portion of an email from Phil Jones, the head of the CRU, in which Jones wrote: "I have just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years to hide the decline." Beck added: Jones was "talking about a trick that another scientist previously used in a peer-reviewed journal to apparently hide the decline in temperatures -- incredible." Additionally, in a November 23 editorial, Investor's Business Daily stated: "In one e-mail ... Jones speaks of the 'trick' of filling in gaps of data in order to hide evidence of temperature decline."

Email referring to "Mike's Nature trick ... to hide the decline" refers to unreliable tree-ring data, not instrumental temperatures. In a November 26 article, The Morning Call of Allentown, Pennsylvania, reported that Penn State scientist Michael Mann -- whose "trick" was referenced in an email from Phil Jones, the head of the CRU -- "said his trick, or 'trick of the trade,' for the Nature chart was to combine data from tree-ring measurements, which record world temperatures from 1,000 years ago until 1960, with actual temperature readings for 1961 through 1998" because "scientists have discovered that, for temperatures since 1960, tree rings have not been a reliable indicator." Jones has also stated that it is "well known" that tree ring data "does not show a realistic trend of temperature after 1960," and the CRU has said that "[t]he 'decline' in this set of tree-ring data should not be taken to mean that there is any problem with the instrumental temperature data." In a November 20 post, RealClimate.org's staff, which is comprised of several working climate scientists, including Mann, similarly stated:

As for the 'decline', it is well known that Keith Briffa's maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the "divergence problem"-see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while 'hiding' is probably a poor choice of words (since it is 'hidden' in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.

Several scientists have stated that the word "trick" is being misinterpreted. The (UK) Guardian reported in a November 20 article that Bob Ward, director of policy and communications at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics, said of Jones' email: "It does look incriminating on the surface, but there are lots of single sentences that taken out of context can appear incriminating. ... You can't tell what they are talking about. Scientists say 'trick' not just to mean deception. They mean it as a clever way of doing something -- a short cut can be a trick." RealClimate also explained that "the 'trick' is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term 'trick' to refer to ... 'a good way to deal with a problem', rather than something that is 'secret', and so there is nothing problematic in this at all."

Gingrich "idea": Emails indicate scientists tried to "suppress research that calls into question the accuracy of supposed warming trends."

From Gingrich's article posted on Newt.org:

[The emails] also paint an ugly picture of a willingness on the part of these influential scientists to suppress research that calls into question the accuracy of supposed warming trends.

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In response to these recent revelations, Congress should open an investigation into the degree of bias in the climate change community (including the journalists that report on the topic) toward suppressing research that shows slower or negligible global warming trends, or points to different causes than greenhouse gasses. It should investigate whether worthy scientific studies contradicting the global warming conclusion have been suppressed from peer reviewed literature. If Congress is going to consider legislation based on supposed scientific consensus, it has every right to conduct inquiries into whether that consensus is genuine.

Gingrich "idea" echoes claims made by Wash. Times, Wall Street Journal editorial boards. As Media Matters documented, in a December 1 editorial in The Washington Times claimed that Mann "threatened journals that had the gall to publish academic research at odds with the global-warming theocracy." A November 27 editorial in The Wall Street Journal claimed that "Mr. Mann went on to suggest that the journal itself be blackballed. ... In other words, keep dissent out of the respected journals. When that fails, redefine what constitutes a respected journal to exclude any that publish inconvenient views."

Mann's email refers to specific paper that Climate Research editors and publisher conceded should not have been published. In a March 11, 2003, email, Mann wrote that the paper by astrophysicists Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas "couldn't have cleared a 'legitimate' peer review process anywhere. That leaves only one possibility -- that the peer-review process at Climate Research has been hijacked by a few skeptics on the editorial board." The New York Times reported on August 5, 2003, that the Soon-Baliunas paper "has been heavily criticized by many scientists, including several of the journal editors. The editors said last week that whether or not the conclusions were correct, that analysis was deeply flawed." The Times further noted that the "publisher of the journal, Dr. Otto Kinne, and an editor who recently became editor in chief, Dr. Hans von Storch, both said that in retrospect the paper should not have been published as written" and that von Storch resigned, "saying he disagreed with the peer-review policies":

Advocates for cuts in emissions and scientists who hold the prevailing view on warming said the hearing backfired. It proved more convincingly, they said, that the skeptical scientists were a fringe element that had to rely increasingly on industry money and peripheral scientific journals to promote their work.

The hearing featured Dr. Willie Soon, an astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and a co-author of a study, with Dr. Sallie Baliunas, also an astrophysicist at the center, that said the 20th-century warming trend was unremarkable compared with other climate shifts over the last 1,000 years.

But the Soon-Baliunas paper, published in the journal Climate Research this year, has been heavily criticized by many scientists, including several of the journal editors. The editors said last week that whether or not the conclusions were correct, the analysis was deeply flawed.

The publisher of the journal, Dr. Otto Kinne, and an editor who recently became editor in chief, Dr. Hans von Storch, both said that in retrospect the paper should not have been published as written. Dr. Kinne defended the journal and its process of peer review, but distanced himself from the paper.

"I have not stood behind the paper by Soon and Baliunas," he wrote in an e-mail message. "Indeed: the reviewers failed to detect methodological flaws."

Dr. von Storch, who was not involved in overseeing the paper, resigned last week, saying he disagreed with the peer-review policies.

The Senate hearing also focused new scrutiny on Dr. Soon and Dr. Baliunas's and ties to advocacy groups. The scientists also receive income as senior scientists for the George C. Marshall Institute, a Washington group that has long fought limits on gas emissions. The study in Climate Research was in part underwritten by $53,000 from the American Petroleum Institute, the voice of the oil industry.

Mann: "I support the publication of 'skeptical' papers that meet the basic standards of scientific quality and merit." In response to the controversy surrounding the emails, Mann said that his email "[w]as in response to a very specific incident regarding a paper by Soon and Baliunas published in the journal 'Climate Research.' " Mann further stated: "I support the publication of 'skeptical' papers that meet the basic standards of scientific quality and merit. I myself have published scientific work that has been considered by some as representing a skeptical point of view on matters relating to climate change."

Gingrich "idea": "[D]amaging revelation" that CRU "had years ago destroyed its original raw data sets that it collected from weather stations around the world"

From Gingrich's article posted on Newt.org:

This embarrassment was trumped by the even more damaging revelation that the Climate Research Unit had years ago destroyed its original raw data sets that it collected from weather stations around the world that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) then relied on to formulate its conclusions about global warming. All that the Climate Research Unit now has is "value added data," which supposedly controls for variables. However, without the original data, the accuracy of these adjustments can no longer be verified by other scientists.

Gingrich "idea" previously advanced by numerous conservative media figures. As Media Matters noted, the editorial board of the New York Post, HotAir's Ed Morrissey, Fox News' Brit Hume, Wash. Examiner's Michael Barone, and conservative blog Gateway Pundit all made similar claims suggesting the CRU destroyed original data on which global warming theory is based.

CRU scientist: "We haven't destroyed anything. The data is still there." According to an October 14 Greenwire article, Jones said, "We haven't destroyed anything. The data is still there -- you can still get these stations from the [NOAA] National Climatic Data Center." The article said that Jones' statement came after the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) "blasted the research unit for the 'suspicious destruction of its original data.' " The article further noted that Jones "said that the vast majority of the station data was not altered at all" and that "[t]he research unit has deleted less than 5 percent of its original station data because the stations had several discontinuities or were affected by urbanization trends, Jones said."

NASA climate modeler: "The original data is curated at the met services where it originated." In response to a comment on his blog Real Climate asking whether it is true that the CRU lost the data, Gavin Schmidt, a climate scientist at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, replied: "No. The original data is curated at the met services where it originated."

Scientists note that datasets from other research centers show the same climate trends. The Greenwire article said that Tom Karl, director of NOAA's Climatic Data Center, "noted that the conclusions of the IPCC reports are based on several data sets in addition to the CRU, including data from NOAA, NASA and the United Kingdom Met Office. Each of those data sets basically show identical multi-decadal trends, Karl said." The article also said that Ben Santer, a climate scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, "said CRU's major findings were replicated by other groups, including the NOAA climatic data center, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and also in Russia."

Gingrich "idea": "twin scandals raise serious questions about ... the accuracy of the underlying data that provides the rationale for the cap and trade energy tax legislation."

From Gingrich's article posted on Newt.org:

These twin scandals raise serious questions about the integrity of the scientific process in the field of climate research as well as the accuracy of the underlying data that provides the rationale for the cap and trade energy tax legislation that the House approved last June and that the Senate is now considering.

Gingrich "idea" previously touted by numerous other conservatives. As Media Matters noted, the claim that the stolen CRU emails undermine the global warming consensus was forwarded by the editorial board of The Washington Times, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Gateway Pundit and further touted by the Drudge Report and Fox Nation. The editorial board of The New York Post, Morrissey, Hume, and Barone all stated or suggested that the CRU's destruction of the supposed "raw data" undermined that consensus.

Distortions of illegally obtained documents from one group of scientists do not undermine overwhelming consensus. In a statement on the reported theft of the emails, Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, stated that "no individual or small group of scientists is in a position to exclude a peer-reviewed paper from an I.P.C.C. assessment."

NASA's Gavin Schmidt: "There's nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax." Wired's Threat Level blog reported on November 20 that Schmidt said: "There's nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax. ... There's no funding by nefarious groups. There's no politics in any of these things; nobody from the [United Nations] telling people what to do. There's nothing hidden, no manipulation. It's just scientists talking about science, and they're talking relatively openly as people in private e-mails generally are freer with their thoughts than they would be in a public forum. The few quotes that are being pulled out [are out] of context. People are using language used in science and interpreting it in a completely different way." Schmidt is a contributor to the Real Climate blog, which has stated that some of the stolen CRU emails "involve people" at Real Climate.

NYT: "Hacked material is unlikely to erode the overall argument." The New York Times' Andrew Revkin reported on November 20 that "[t]he evidence pointing to a growing human contribution to global warming is so widely accepted that the hacked material is unlikely to erode the overall argument. However, the documents will undoubtedly raise questions about the quality of research on some specific questions and the actions of some scientists."

UCS: Our understanding of climate science is based "on the rigorous accumulation, testing and synthesis of knowledge." Peter Frumhoff, the director of science and policy at the Union of Concerned Scientists and an IPCC author stated, "We should keep in mind that our understanding of climate science is based not on private correspondence, but on the rigorous accumulation, testing and synthesis of knowledge often represented in the dry and factual prose of peer-reviewed literature. The scientific community is united in calling on U.S. policymakers to recognize that emissions of heat-trapping gases must be dramatically reduced if we are to avoid the worst consequences of human-induced climate change."

Yale Project on Climate Change director: "[T]here's no smoking gun in the e-mails from what I've seen." Reuters stated that Anthony Leiserowitz, the director of the Yale Project on Climate Change said, "It shows that the process of science is not always pristine. ... But there's no smoking gun in the e-mails from what I've seen." The Reuters article further noted that "the researchers involved were only a handful out of thousands across the world that have contributed to a vast convergence of data that shows the world has warmed." The article also quoted Piers Forster, an environment professor at the University of Leeds, stating, "Whilst some of the e-mails show scientists to be all too human, nothing I have read makes me doubt the veracity of the peer review process or the general warming trend in the global temperature recorded."

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    • Author by SLRTX (December 02, 2009 5:52 pm ET)
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      Here's another good link. It also references Mann's interview with Kevin Grandia, plus has some links to other pages noting how much this "climategate" thing is a non-issue.

      http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/12/02/climatologist-phil-jones-steps-down-as-climategate-furor-continues/
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      • Author by gpp (December 02, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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        Climate gate is a non issue?

        Changing data.
        Blocking scientists from publishing
        Destroying data

        Have you no shame?

        I suppose the only explanation is that you are so politically invested in this theory that there is no going back.

        Well, this house of cards is falling apart.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (December 02, 2009 11:27 pm ET)
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        It's such a non-issue that Phil Jones has stepped down from the chair of the CRU. I would say Mr. Jones begs to differ.
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        • Author by DellDolly (December 03, 2009 1:06 am ET)
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          He has not 'stepped down'. He is waiting for the completion of a probe by his university, after which he fully expects to go back to doing exactly what he was doing before.

          How do you sleep at night after lying like you do?
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          • Author by wzwriter (December 03, 2009 9:43 am ET)
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            How do you sleep at night after lying like you do?

            The same way Limbaugh, hannity, Levin and the others sleep at night. They have no conscience, they have no morals, they have no concern for the truth.
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          • Author by SLRTX (December 03, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
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            DellDolly --

            Some deniers may not be lying.

            Some could be ignorant.

            Or, they could be just plain stupid. ;-)

            But, don't just take my word for it....

            "The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about." - Wayne Dyer, American psychotherapist, author and lecturer.

            "Being ignorant is not so much a shame as being unwilling to learn." - Benjamin Franklin

            "There are many who talk on from ignorance rather than from knowledge, and who find the former an inexhaustible fund of conversation." - William Hazlitt, British essayist.

            "Naivete in grownups is often charming; but when coupled with vanity it is indistinguishable from stupidity." - Eric Hoffer, American philosopher and author.
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    • Author by Bad News (December 02, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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      I once watched Newt Gingrich talk nasty about Americans that were trying to learn a 2nd Language.
      I remember it clearly because i was in the kitchen making myself a Manwich.
      I watched a Super Educated Man put down Americans that wanted to expand their Reality.
      Newt Gingrich, Not exactly the Go-To Guy when you're trying to maintain your Sanity.

      Speak truth to power,


      Mr. News
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      • Author by SLRTX (December 03, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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        Hey Newt! So, how's that contract for America working out? You pushed it, what, about 15 years ago? So, it must be a raging success by now.

        What's that? I can't hear you. What? It isn't working out?

        Oh well, I suppose you can try being a pundit.

        So, how's that going?

        Don't worry. You, you're doing good. Yep. Doing good.

        (Trying to do my best impression of Stewie from the Family Guy.)

        http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/HR04j4kCFeI/

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN8oIvuk6Ro
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    • Author by gpp (December 02, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
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      Here is what is being said about climatgate...

      The Climate Research Unit at East Anglia had profited to the tune of at least $20 million in “research” grants from the Team’s activities.

      The Team had tampered with the complex, bureaucratic processes of the UN’s climate panel, the IPCC, so as to exclude inconvenient scientific results from its four Assessment Reports, and to influence the panel’s conclusions for political rather than scientific reasons.

      The Team had conspired in an attempt to redefine what is and is not peer-reviewed science for the sake of excluding results that did not fit what they and the politicians with whom they were closely linked wanted the UN’s climate panel to report.

      They had tampered with their own data so as to conceal inconsistencies and errors.

      They had emailed one another about using a “trick” for the sake of concealing a “decline” in temperatures in the paleoclimate.

      They had expressed dismay at the fact that, contrary to all of their predictions, global temperatures had not risen in any statistically-significant sense for 15 years, and had been falling for nine years. They had admitted that their inability to explain it was “a travesty”. This internal doubt was in contrast to their public statements that the present decade is the warmest ever, and that “global warming” science is settled.

      They had interfered with the process of peer-review itself by leaning on journals to get their friends rather than independent scientists to review their papers.

      They had successfully leaned on friendly journal editors to reject papers reporting results inconsistent with their political viewpoint.

      They had campaigned for the removal of a learned journal’s editor, solely because he did not share their willingness to debase and corrupt science for political purposes.

      They had mounted a venomous public campaign of disinformation and denigration of their scientific opponents via a website that they had expensively created.

      Contrary to all the rules of open, verifiable science, the Team had committed the criminal offense of conspiracy to conceal and then to destroy computer codes and data that had been legitimately requested by an external researcher who had very good reason to doubt that their “research” was either honest or competent.
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      • Author by DellDolly (December 03, 2009 11:06 pm ET)
           
        Clearly plagiarized work.

        Come back here with your own thoughts next time, or provide a link to the original author.
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        • Author by SLRTX (December 04, 2009 8:58 am ET)
             
          DellDolly --

          Denier "fact-checking":

          I heard it on the street.

          I read it on the blogs.

          Fox said it was so.

          So it must be true! QED
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    • Author by mefirst (December 02, 2009 8:26 pm ET)
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      matt lauer always treats gingrich like he's some genius when he's on the today show. unopposed of course as he spews all his rhetoric. i will say that gingrich is smarter than, say, palin or bush, but so is a door knob.

      you also have to wonder why there is no media attention when guys like hannity, beck, and limbaugh utter outright falsehoods about global warming. where's the spotlight then?
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    • Author by PresidentAlGore (December 02, 2009 9:01 pm ET)
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      Newt Gingrich is taking things out of context to attack progressive ideas and spread misinformation! Newt Gingrich! A REPUBLICAN is doing this!

      I... i dont know who i am anymore... this is shocking... just... shocking....
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    • Author by terrapin53 (December 02, 2009 9:21 pm ET)
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      i am still waiting to hear one respected or even semi respected scientist come out and say all these emails show climate change is crap. I have not heard anyone say that but right wing loonies. Has anyone heard a respected scientist or researcher say what these wingnutz are saying? If so, whats the url?
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      • Author by rrastro (December 02, 2009 10:02 pm ET)
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        http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/11/yet-more-stuff-we-always-suspected-but-its-nice-to-have-proof.html
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        • Author by alienofwar (December 02, 2009 10:57 pm ET)
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          Your blogger buddy is filling the screen with charts that supposedly come from NASA, yet is interpreting it for you according to his bias.

          I trust real scientists to analyze the data for me, who don't hold a political agenda:

          http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
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          • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (December 03, 2009 4:59 am ET)
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            Ask for the science of the GW deniers and this is the link you get?

            Climate-skeptic.com is the work of Warren Meyer, a small business owner in Phoenix, Arizona. All indications are that this is a smart guy--a sort of Renaissance man. But Meyers has no scientific credentials.

            This is his bio from his coyote blog site:

            The original mission (of coyoteblog.com) was to cover some of the day-to-day travails and lessons learned in running a small business. That is still part of the mission, but....I have found myself wandering all over the place, from business to economics to libertarian philosophy to sports to electronics.

            Meyers from climate-skeptic.com (emphases added)
            "However, we are in a real world policy debate, where the question is instead "Is man causing enough warming and thereby contributing to sufficiently dire consequences to justify massive interventions into the world economy, carrying enormous costs and demonstrable erosions in individual freedoms." Remember, we know monetary and liberty costs of abatement with a fair amount of cerntainty, so in fact the burden of proof is on man-made global warming advocates, not skeptics, who need to prove the dangers from the man-made component of global warming outweigh the costs of these abatements.

            That is why the premise for my paper is as follows:

            There is no doubt that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and it is pretty clear that CO2 produced by man has an incremental impact on warming the Earth’s surface.

            However, recent warming is the result of many natural and man-made factors, and it is extraordinarily difficult to assign all the blame for current warming to man.

            In turn, there are very good reasons to suspect that climate modelers may be greatly exaggerating future warming due to man. Poor economic forecasting, faulty assumptions about past and current conditions, and a belief that climate is driven by runaway positive feedback effects all contribute to this exaggeration.

            As a result, warming due to man’s impacts over the next 100 years may well be closer to one degree C than the forecasted six to eight. In either case, since AGW supporters tend to grossly underestimate the cost of CO2 abatement, particularly in lost wealth creation in poorer nations, there are good arguments that a warmer but richer world, where aggressive CO2 abatement is not pursued, may be the better end state than a poor but cooler world."


            Meyers' "paper" is not a peer reviewed study. But you can deduce a few things from his wording. The main issue seems to be a gamble against a "hunch" that the science could be wrong, but even if forecasts are as dire as predicted, well, it is just gonna cost too much and kill the global economy.

            The "email scandal" saves the day for the deniers (but they prefer the softer skeptics moniker). This is their Reichstag fire. Their smoking gun. Now they have the actual "proof" that eluded Meyers in his paper. Finally they can toss out the maybe's and the might be's and the suspicions---the language of skeptics-- and go for broke. They are gonna "ride it like the stole it" now. For the wingnuts and paleoconservative politicians, peer reviews are discredited. The "Global scientific community" is corrupted by the few (think ACORN again)

            This may not affect the Copenhagen Conference, but it fires up the base and will make for quite a show. We are off to the races, folks.




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            • Author by DellDolly (December 03, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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              Like most Republicans, their short term gain in their wallets is all that they are concerned with.
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              • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (December 04, 2009 7:32 am ET)
                   
                It is much worse than that, Dolly. It is 24 hours since I posted and I am am still haunted by Meyers' conclusion in the last paragraph, which clearly states that:
                IF global temperatures rise 6-8 degrees in this century, humans will be better off financially than if we spend money to stop it over the coming decades.Better off on a planet 6-8 degrees warmer? I haven't heard from a scientist or expert yet, not even one, who thinks that humanity or the environment can survive, let alone adapt, to that kind of global temperature increase. And Meyers doesn't factor in global population increases that would overwhelm the Earth's resources of today.
                Meyers will be dead, but what of his grandchildren? People are listening to this guy? Pure insanity!
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        • Author by Sharpe (December 03, 2009 5:00 am ET)
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          Who needs proof when you have so many lies that people are never called out on? FOX's entire broadcast is just propaganda campaign after conspiracy theory and yet, they scream about the fudging of data elsewhere. No doubt scientists should be held accountable if they are trying to distort data but shouldn't news pundits as well?
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        • Author by ScienceBuff (December 03, 2009 8:23 am ET)
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          rrastro -
          Roy Spencer is one of the very few denialists with actual qualifications as a climatologist. And yet, the papers he has published don't even challenge ACC. Realclimate.org has a page created that provides the scientific refutation of some of his claims.

          Besides, Spencer is a creationist. I know that doesn't automatically make his climatology statements suspect, but it definitely calls into question his ability to look at science rationally and dispassionately.
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          • Author by SLRTX (December 03, 2009 10:21 pm ET)
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            ScienceBuff --

            Back in the day when I was a lowly Physics major, there were a couple of Physics Profs in our dept that had some goofy ideas.

            They told me about the papers they were hoping to get published. I am fairly certain they never were published.

            See, science is a collective effort to double-check each others work via peer review. (That's about as far as the "cabal" goes.)

            So Spencer is likely a great scientist in his field. But if his claims don't add up to all the proxies and independent corroboration, he won't get published.

            That's why he's taken to the bloggosphere.
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        • Author by wzwriter (December 03, 2009 9:52 am ET)
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          Terrapin was looking for a respected scientist, rrastro - not some loser who posts garbage from his parents' basement.
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          • Author by terrapin53 (December 03, 2009 12:31 pm ET)
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            Thanks to all of you. My key word in my request was respected or even semi respected. I sort of figured that since Fox cannot even get one on tv, there probably are not any. On the local radio here In Baltimore, they keep saying Lord Monkton, but since his degree is in journalism and he found hsi niche to making money to be a GW denier, there spiel does not work.
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      • Author by caveman (December 02, 2009 11:24 pm ET)
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        No scientist is going to say "all these emails show climate change is crap," because emails cannot possibly prove a scientific conclusion. It's not like these emails contain some treasure trove of raw data or something.

        Suppose some of the scientists sending these emails actually were doing fraudulent research. So what? That wouldn't prove climate change is crap at all. It work just prove that those particular scientists' work was crap.

        Evidence concerning global warming is within nature, not within emails.
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      • Author by SLRTX (December 03, 2009 10:08 pm ET)
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        It's happening now (see links below), and the scientists will get more vocal in the near future. We do need another Richard Feynman, though.

        Deniers, not ever stopping to take time to check the facts, will always jump out there quickly & scream about things like this. It's easy to deny.

        "There is nothing more frightening than ignorance in action." - Goethe

        In the meantime, let the deniers take out more rope before it hangs them. Sit back and enjoy the show.

        Actually, I'm glad this happened. Maybe now we can get this settled among the politicians as much as it's settled among the scientists.

        http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2009/12/gerald_north_interview.html

        http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/23/hacker.climate/index.html

        http://www.desmogblog.com/michael-mann-his-own-words-stolen-cru-emails

        http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/
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    • Author by rrastro (December 02, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
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      the emails dont destroy the concept of global warming but do cast doubt as to the degree and urgency of the problem. when a model arbitrarily magnifies a trend there is reason for skepticism, especially since true believer rely far too much on artificial models.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (December 02, 2009 10:25 pm ET)
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        Your expert opinion I suppose, duly noted.
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      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (December 03, 2009 6:00 am ET)
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        "the emails dont destroy the concept of global warming "

        Agreed. No one disputes the concept of CO2 as a cause.

        "but do cast doubt as to the degree and urgency of the problem. when a model arbitrarily magnifies a trend there is reason for skepticism"

        No, the emails don't do that at all. They only create a shadow of doubt upon the integrity of the climatologists involved. You are confusing an allegation with a verdict. This one peer reviewed study must be proven invalid. These "suspicious" emails can never invalidate the entire body of evidence from every study from around the planet. Your argument throws the baby out with the bathwater.

        "especially since true believer rely far too much on artificial models."

        While that statement sounds like common sense, remember, that every meteorologist uses artificial models to create the weather forecasts that you rely on every day. Again...baby with the bathwater.
        Listen, common sense alone is useless in the realm of scientific research. That is why we have science.
        Common sense alone informed man that the Earth was the center of the Universe. Science alone proved man wrong.

        That is why we should ignore The Becks and Palins and Hannitys who preach that common sense alone is the key to all truth and knowlege. At the very least, you should ask yourself WHY they insist upon preaching such? Or do you need some suspicious emails to make you doubt THEIR motives and conclusions?
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    • Author by mookie von zipper (December 02, 2009 10:50 pm ET)
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      [http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/home/338/climatechange2.jpg]

      media matters would have you believe that the ice in this pic melting... but if you look closely, you can see that the water is actually freezing...

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      • Author by alienofwar (December 02, 2009 10:59 pm ET)
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        Oh yes, let's completely ignore the really skinny bear...
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      • Author by Sharpe (December 03, 2009 5:02 am ET)
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        Ummm NO! You cannot possibly tell if the water is freezing from a single frame like that. YOU FAIL!
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        • Author by mookie von zipper (December 03, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
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          actually, i can, because i checked it out... i checked it out a couple of times...

          I PASS!...

          got you last, INFINITY!...

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      • Author by sambo (December 03, 2009 5:32 am ET)
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        No Zipzip we cannot tell the water is freezing,and unless this skinny bear has extremely short back legs, it appears he is sinking below the surface
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    • Author by tuersm3856 (December 03, 2009 9:11 am ET)
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      I thought Newt would be very enthusiastic about the carbon credit business, considering how invested he is in it.
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      • Author by johnosullivan (December 03, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
           
        The basic tenet in debunking any scientific theory is that without a proven correlation then there cannot be causation. This is what has been exposed in ‘Climategate.’ The theory of man made global warming is damningly undermined because those scientists at the core of this science who collate and assess all the known data admit “ it’s a travesty it’s stopped warming”- referring to a decadal cooling trend this century.

        Hadley CRU researchers were at the very heart of the IPCC process. Indeed, the IPPC even maintained offices at Hadley for a time. This clique of 40 or so British boffins was also ‘lead authors’ on IPCC’s reports. These top climatologists admitted in private what they dare not speak in public. Sadly, hundreds of other scientists relied on the CRU datasets to substantiate their own research. They also concur that their climate models had failed to predict the levelling off of global temps since 1998. I fear a backlash whereby honest scientists who used the CRU data set will have their work descredited. Those CRU snake oil peddlers are shown to rue the lack of correlation and fudged the data and tried to hide their ‘trick’ for three years in breach of freedom of information laws demandinding disclosure. I feel sorry to those agnostics who want to find out exactly what, if any impact co2 has on climate.

        I suggest some of us need to go check some real climate facts not tainted by these debunked characters e.g on global ice data. For example, if you look closely at global ice extents they are actually increasing contrary to the alarmist myth...

        Antarctic Sea Ice Extent from NSIDC:
        http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

        Antarctic Sea Ice Extent from Cryosphere Today:
        http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg

        Global Sea Ice Area from Cryoshpere Today:
        http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg
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