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NBC adopts right-wing's "climategate" smear

December 04, 2009 11:07 pm ET — 67 Comments

NBC Nightly News repeated the unsupported claims that recently stolen emails from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia "show climate scientists massaging the data" and asked if the "books [have] been cooked on climate change." However, NBC reporter Anne Thompson made no attempt to evaluate the truth of the allegations which are based on a series of discredited smears.

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NBC repeats baseless allegations that emails "show climate scientists massaging data and suppressing studies"

Brian Williams: "Have the books been cooked on climate change?" NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams asserted: "Climategate they're calling it. A new scandal over global warming and it's burning up the Internet." Williams continued: "Have the books been cooked on climate change?" Later in the broadcast, Williams stated: "There's a new scandal that's burning up the net these days." [NBC Nightly News, 12/04/09]

NBC's Thompson: Critics say emails "show climate scientists massaging data and suppressing studies." During the segment, correspondent Anne Thompson reported: "Those that doubt that man-made greenhouse gases are changing the climate say these emails from Britain's University of East Anglia show climate scientists massaging data and suppressing studies by those who disagree."

Thompson quotes GOP Rep. claiming "junk science" and "fraud." Thompson then quoted Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner's [R-WI] claim that "[i]t's junk science and it's part of a massive international scientific fraud."

Thompson quotes CATO critic: "Clear problems with these records." Thompson reported that "critics say the emails show catastrophic predictions of countries and people devastated by warming need to be reconsidered." Thompson then quoted CATO Insitute's Patrick Michaels commenting that "[t]here are clear problems with these records that deserve investigation and not providing them to people because they're going to quote find something wrong with it is just not the way we're supposed to do science."

No evidence to support claim that emails "show climate scientists massaging data"

"Decline" in widely distorted email referred to unreliable tree ring data, not actual global temperatures. As Media Matters noted, in a November 26 article, The Morning Call of Allentown, Pennsylvania, reported that Penn State scientist Michael Mann "said his trick, or 'trick of the trade,' for the Nature chart was to combine data from tree-ring measurements, which record world temperatures from 1,000 years ago until 1960, with actual temperature readings for 1961 through 1998" because "scientists have discovered that, for temperatures since 1960, tree rings have not been a reliable indicator." Jones has also stated that it is "well known" that tree ring data "does not show a realistic trend of temperature after 1960," and the CRU has said that "[t]he 'decline' in this set of tree-ring data should not be taken to mean that there is any problem with the instrumental temperature data." In a November 20 post, RealClimate.org's staff, which is comprised of several working climate scientists, including Mann, similarly stated:

As for the 'decline', it is well known that Keith Briffa's maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the "divergence problem"-see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while 'hiding' is probably a poor choice of words (since it is 'hidden' in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.

Several scientists have stated that the word "trick" is being misinterpreted. The (UK) Guardian reported in a November 20 article that Bob Ward, director of policy and communications at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics, said of Jones' email: "It does look incriminating on the surface, but there are lots of single sentences that taken out of context can appear incriminating. ... You can't tell what they are talking about. Scientists say 'trick' not just to mean deception. They mean it as a clever way of doing something -- a short cut can be a trick." RealClimate also explained that "the 'trick' is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term 'trick' to refer to ... 'a good way to deal with a problem', rather than something that is 'secret', and so there is nothing problematic in this at all." 

Thomson provided no evidence to support claim that scientists are "suppressing studies by those who disagree"

Mann email cited specific paper that Climate Research editors and publisher conceded should not have been published. Thompson gave no explanation of the purported suppression she was referring to but one such allegation as been discredited. In the March 11, 2003, email, director of Penn State University's Earth System Science Center Michael Mann wrote that the paper by astrophysicists Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas "couldn't have cleared a 'legitimate' peer review process anywhere. That leaves only one possibility -- that the peer-review process at Climate Research has been hijacked by a few skeptics on the editorial board." The New York Times reported on August 5, 2003, that the Soon-Baliunas paper "has been heavily criticized by many scientists, including several of the journal editors. The editors said last week that whether or not the conclusions were correct, that analysis was deeply flawed." The Times further noted that the "publisher of the journal, Dr. Otto Kinne, and an editor who recently became editor in chief, Dr. Hans von Storch, both said that in retrospect the paper should not have been published as written" and that von Storch resigned, "saying he disagreed with the peer-review policies":

Advocates for cuts in emissions and scientists who hold the prevailing view on warming said the hearing backfired. It proved more convincingly, they said, that the skeptical scientists were a fringe element that had to rely increasingly on industry money and peripheral scientific journals to promote their work.

The hearing featured Dr. Willie Soon, an astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and a co-author of a study, with Dr. Sallie Baliunas, also an astrophysicist at the center, that said the 20th-century warming trend was unremarkable compared with other climate shifts over the last 1,000 years.

But the Soon-Baliunas paper, published in the journal Climate Research this year, has been heavily criticized by many scientists, including several of the journal editors. The editors said last week that whether or not the conclusions were correct, the analysis was deeply flawed.

The publisher of the journal, Dr. Otto Kinne, and an editor who recently became editor in chief, Dr. Hans von Storch, both said that in retrospect the paper should not have been published as written. Dr. Kinne defended the journal and its process of peer review, but distanced himself from the paper.

"I have not stood behind the paper by Soon and Baliunas," he wrote in an e-mail message. "Indeed: the reviewers failed to detect methodological flaws."

Dr. von Storch, who was not involved in overseeing the paper, resigned last week, saying he disagreed with the peer-review policies.

The Senate hearing also focused new scrutiny on Dr. Soon and Dr. Baliunas's and ties to advocacy groups. The scientists also receive income as senior scientists for the George C. Marshall Institute, a Washington group that has long fought limits on gas emissions. The study in Climate Research was in part underwritten by $53,000 from the American Petroleum Institute, the voice of the oil industry.

Mann: "I support the publication of 'skeptical' papers that meet the basic standards of scientific quality and merit." In response to the controversy surrounding the emails, Mann said that his email "[w]as in response to a very specific incident regarding a paper by Soon and Baliunas published in the journal 'Climate Research.' " Mann further stated: "I support the publication of 'skeptical' papers that meet the basic standards of scientific quality and merit. I myself have published scientific work that has been considered by some as representing a skeptical point of view on matters relating to climate change."

Scientists say the illegally obtained emails do not undermine climate change science

Nature: "Nothing in the e-mails undermines the scientific case that global warming is real." A December 2 editorial in the science journal Nature stated: "Nothing in the e-mails undermines the scientific case that global warming is real -- or that human activities are almost certainly the cause. That case is supported by multiple, robust lines of evidence, including several that are completely independent of the climate reconstructions debated in the e-mails." Also from the editorial:

The stolen e-mails have prompted queries about whether Nature will investigate some of the researchers' own papers. One e-mail talked of displaying the data using a 'trick' -- slang for a clever (and legitimate) technique, but a word that denialists have used to accuse the researchers of fabricating their results. It is Nature's policy to investigate such matters if there are substantive reasons for concern, but nothing we have seen so far in the e-mails qualifies.

NASA's Gavin Schmidt: "There's nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax." Wired's Threat Level blog reported on November 20 that Gavin Schmidt, a climate scientist at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said: "There's nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax. ... There's no funding by nefarious groups. There's no politics in any of these things; nobody from the [United Nations] telling people what to do. There's nothing hidden, no manipulation. It's just scientists talking about science, and they're talking relatively openly as people in private e-mails generally are freer with their thoughts than they would be in a public forum. The few quotes that are being pulled out [are out] of context. People are using language used in science and interpreting it in a completely different way." Schmidt is a contributor to the Real Climate blog, which has stated that some of the stolen CRU emails "involve people" at Real Climate.

AMS: Impact on climate change science of emails "very limited." Following the release of the stolen emails, the American Meteorological Society (AMS) reaffirmed its Statement on Climate Change, stating that it "is based on a robust body of research reported in the peer-reviewed literature." AMS further stated: "For climate change research, the body of research in the literature is very large and the dependence on any one set of research results to the comprehensive understanding of the climate system is very, very small. Even if some of the charges of improper behavior in this particular case turn out to be true -- which is not yet clearly the case -- the impact on the science of climate change would be very limited."

UCS: "The e-mails provide no information that would affect the scientific understanding of climate change." The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) has stated that "[t]he e-mails provide no information that would affect the scientific understanding of climate change, as many contrarians are falsely claiming. For years, thousands of scientists working at climate research centers around the world have carefully and rigorously reached a consensus on the extent of climate change, the urgency of the problem, and the role human activity plays in causing it." UCS further stated: "The findings of the USGCRP, IPCC and other scientific bodies are based on the work of thousands of scientists from hundreds of research institutions. The University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU) is just one among many such research institutions. Even without data from CRU, there is still an overwhelming body of evidence that human activity triggering dangerous levels of global warming."

Peter Kelemen: "[A]lleged problems with a few scientists' behavior do not change the consensus understanding of human-induced, global climate change." Kelemen, a professor of geochemistry at Columbia University's Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, wrote that "I think it is important for scientists to clearly state that if basic data were withheld, or if there was unprofessional tampering with the peer-review process, we do not condone these acts. It is equally essential to emphasize that alleged problems with a few scientists' behavior do not change the consensus understanding of human-induced, global climate change, which is a robust hypothesis based on well-established observations and inferences." Kelemen further wrote: "Outspoken critics often portray climate science as a house of cards, built on a shaky edifice of limited data and broad suppositions. However, it's more realistic to think of the science as a deck of cards, spread out, face up. Some data and interpretations of those data are more certain than others, of course. But pulling out one or two interpretations, or the results of a few scientists, does not change the overall picture. Take away two or three cards, and there are still 49 or 50 cards facing you."

NYT: "Hacked material is unlikely to erode the overall argument." The New York Times' Andrew Revkin reported on November 20 that "[t]he evidence pointing to a growing human contribution to global warming is so widely accepted that the hacked material is unlikely to erode the overall argument. However, the documents will undoubtedly raise questions about the quality of research on some specific questions and the actions of some scientists."

UCS: Our understanding of climate science is based "on the rigorous accumulation, testing and synthesis of knowledge." Peter Frumhoff, the director of science and policy at the Union of Concerned Scientists and an IPCC author stated, "We should keep in mind that our understanding of climate science is based not on private correspondence, but on the rigorous accumulation, testing and synthesis of knowledge often represented in the dry and factual prose of peer-reviewed literature. The scientific community is united in calling on U.S. policymakers to recognize that emissions of heat-trapping gases must be dramatically reduced if we are to avoid the worst consequences of human-induced climate change."

Yale Project on Climate Change director: "[T]here's no smoking gun in the e-mails from what I've seen." Reuters stated that Anthony Leiserowitz, the director of the Yale Project on Climate Change said, "It shows that the process of science is not always pristine ... But there's no smoking gun in the e-mails from what I've seen." The Reuters article further noted that "the researchers involved were only a handful out of thousands across the world that have contributed to a vast convergence of data that shows the world has warmed." The article also quoted Piers Forster, an environment professor at the University of Leeds stating, "Whilst some of the e-mails show scientists to be all too human, nothing I have read makes me doubt the veracity of the peer review process or the general warming trend in the global temperature recorded."

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    • Author by alienofwar (December 05, 2009 12:21 am ET)
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      This video is making the rounds on blogs and it does a nice job of addressing this faux 'climategate' scandal:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg

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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 05, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
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        Thanks, alienofwar, that video is one of the most comprehensive and clear jobs of exposing the deniers I've seen.

        I was thinking about collecting some examples of the word "trick" to help anybody still confused by its use in science ( I know it was used a lot by my science and math teachers 25 or 30 years ago), but this saved me the trouble. Not that any GW Denial cultists are going to be swayed by reality, but it's always nice to say you've tried, at least given them the opportunity to get up to speed.

        Just for fun, I watched the beginning (the clips of all of the wingnut radio and tv propagandists) trying to adopt the mindset of wanting to believe them, and I can see how it works. Like UFO photos or Virgin Mary on a tortilla, the audience that goes in desperately wanting to hold onto their belief that Climate Change is a hoax could find them very convincing.

        I wasn't familiar with Alex Jones, but I've always been amused by right wingers attraction to and respect for people with the voices and logic of emotional and excited adolescents (Sean Hannity, Mark levin, Limbaugh when he slips out of his deliberately gruff "authority voice" into squeaky girl zone). Jones sounds like a combo of that adenoidal teen and Slim Pickens. A perfect right wing hero.

        And does every tinfoil hat -wearing, delusional Youtube denier have that same cheap floor lamp in the background? Is it some sort of wingnut totem ?
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        • Author by westofkanye (December 07, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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          Nobody with an I.Q. of over 100 is "confused" by the word 'trick', Col. Try as you might, the AGW ship is sinking in favor of genuine science, not politically motivated science.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 07, 2009 4:21 pm ET)
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            You know, w.o.k., sometimes when people are confused they don't really understand that they're confused. It's all part of the confusion.

            And if you're using AGW to stand for "Anti-Global Warming" to describe the deniers, you're right about the last part.

            But I'm sure you didn't mean that.
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      • Author by pete592 (December 05, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
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        Good vid. Thanks.
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      • Author by SLRTX (December 05, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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        Great vid. I give it a solid "thumbs up!"
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      • Author by fantagor (December 05, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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        Brilliant video, which clearly illustrates that the right wing is full of it and has nothing. Thirteen YEARS of e-mails and they ferreted out TWO damning examples of "fraud", except neither is a case of fraud but a case of cherry picking and intentionally misunderstanding what the heck they were talking about, plus a good old fashion dose of de-contextualizing what was said.

        In short, the score to date is:

        Science 1,000,000
        Deniers Nil

        Randy
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      • Author by RCT (December 06, 2009 2:29 pm ET)
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        Fair and balanced reporting would ask you watch the following video addressing the faux man-made global warming scandal.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd7M4H

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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 07, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
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          Good job, RCT. I'm not sure how an Alicia Keys video addresses what you claim it does, but I guess you didn't fail any worse than the rest of the Denial Cultists here.
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      • Author by tuersm3856 (December 06, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
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        “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
        with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
        water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
        dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
        changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
        The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
        -from the 1991 Club of Rome report, "The First Global Revolution"

        Al Gore is a member of the Club of Rome. And if you read the entire section from which this outrageous quote is taken, it is about how to destroy democracy and get people to willingly turn over their liberty to a global dictatorship. READ IT FOR YOURSELF BEFORE YOU JOKE ABOUT IT AND MAKE EXCUSES!
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        • Author by pete592 (December 06, 2009 5:15 pm ET)
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          No jokes, just facts and questions...

          When did Al Gore become powerful enough to terrify people like you?

          Al Gore is no longer in the position of governing or making policy. Even when he was, he was unsuccessful in his efforts to destroy democracy, strip you of your liberties, and establish a global dictatorship. He didn't even come close.

          Gore is not a scientist and he is no longer a politician. He is an activist, nothing more. What makes you think he is in a better position today to destroy democracy, strip you of your liberties, and establish a global dictatorship than when he was in a position of power?

          I'm still looking for an unbiased, non-wingnut source that confirms Al Gore's membership in the Club of Rome. Al Gore is nowhere to be found on the Club of Rome's membership listing. I've also seen wingnut sources mention that Bill Gates was a member, but his name is also strangely absent from the list. These don't seem like the kind of people that COR would want obscured in their membership listings. Am I missing something?
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 06, 2009 10:58 pm ET)
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            Aside from providing no evidence of the Gore connection,
            I like the challenge to everybody to read something that was too much trouble to provide a link to.

            I went to your link, Pete (telling that you did that, instead of hammering the capslock on to start screaming).

            The Club of Rome describes themselves as an organization dedicated to uniting people globally to address serious problems.

            The "outrageous" quote provided by tuerism seems to be them stating the obvious, that environmental concerns are the most universal threat, and the obvious choice to focus on.

            Wingnuts just see monsters everywhere, except where they should.
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            • Author by westofkanye (December 07, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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              Those blinders you wear, Col., are opaque to reality. Reading comprehension is clearly not your strongpoint.
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 07, 2009 4:06 pm ET)
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                Could you be more specific ? What is the "reality" you don't think I'm seeing? What do you think I misread ? Expand a little, unless you got nothing but vague childish insults, in which case, slither back under your bridge.
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          • Author by Williestoker (December 07, 2009 2:51 pm ET)
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            I noticed that Gore canceled his personal appearance at the climate conference event in Copenhagen. I don't think I would want to show my face either if I were him. He has been revealed to be a fraud, and a very rich one. He has made hundreds of millions of dollars off one of the biggest frauds in history.

            It is ironic that the Internet that he invented was responsible for the revelation of his fraud. I wonder if he is going to return his Emmy for his inconvenient fraud film, and give back his Nobel Peace Prize because it was all based on fraud and greed.

            The truth is a scary thing to some people, and it can certainly hurt if you are a fraud.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 07, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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              Gore canceled one book appearance because of a heavy schedule, he's still involved with the Copenhagen Summit.

              Do you have any specifics on this "fraud" you seem obsessed with ? You sound like a bit of a fraud yourself, with your lack of evidence, or even mentioning what this fraud is.

              Gore didn't win an Emmy, the film's director won an Oscar, and somebody won one for Best Song.

              The truth can be scary, but if you're ready to face your fears, I'd strongly suggest you get some new sources of information. You seem to be badly misinformed.
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        • Author by rkleeman (December 06, 2009 5:23 pm ET)
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          The First Global Revolution: by Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider; Pantheon, (1991) is a book that is listed as suggested reading on the Club of Rome website it is not a report by the "Club of Rome"

          I searched through their published membership roles and Al Gore is not listed. Given the apparent orientation of the organization and the notoriety of Al Gore you can safely assume IF he was a member it would be published on their website.

          So before admonishing others against joking or making excuses purhaps you could post some actual evidence to support your ranting.

          Just saying
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 07, 2009 4:13 pm ET)
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            Don't worry, rkleeman, they'll go right back to the same sources no matter how many times you put the floppy clown shoes on them. It's fascinating.
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    • Author by mk3872 (December 05, 2009 12:24 am ET)
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      Well, the MSM did say they would follow and report on the obsessions of the conservamedia much more closely after the ACORN videos, soooooo ... here ya go, enjoy!
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    • Author by Tbone Slickens (December 05, 2009 1:00 am ET)
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      Albert Arnold "Al" Gore is canceling his speech in Copenhagen.

      He must have come down with a scorching case of Pig flue I bet.
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      • Author by fairliberal (December 05, 2009 1:12 am ET)
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        And don't forget Jones is "standing down" until the investigation procedes. What is that old saying about a guilty conscience.
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        • Author by SLRTX (December 05, 2009 7:50 am ET)
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          That's "stand aside", not "standing down." There's a difference, but you probably already know that. It was just too "inconvenient" to mention it.

          So a Judge who recuses himself or herself from a case, due to possible conflicts of interest, is doing so with a "guilty conscience." BTW - what IS that old saying?

          "Professor Jones announced on December 1 that he will stand aside as Director until the completion of the Independent Review to ensure that CRU can continue to operate normally and the Independent Review can conduct its work into the allegations. Professor Peter Liss, CBE, FRS is now the Acting Director." (my emphasis)
          From: http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/dec/homepagenews/CRUreview

          I can't wait until Spring 2010. And I sincerely hope we have those Congressional hearings asap. Or better yet, maybe some denier will file a lawsuit so we can get another Dover, PA type ruling! Oh wait! Someone HAS filed a lawsuit! On the outside chance this goes to court (probably won't), let's get the denier "experts" on the stand, just like those ID "experts" in the Dover case. Get it over with once and for all.

          http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/2462-nasa-faces-foi-lawsuit-over-climate-data
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 05, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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            BTW - what IS that old saying?


            Good question. I think when Faillib realizes she doesn't really have any substance, she tends to imply that there's some unwritten truth that everybody should know, and that supports her babbling.

            It's sort of like those hack comedians who follow their set-up with "what's up with that?" or "insert punch line here!".
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            • Author by SLRTX (December 05, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
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              Well, y'know.

              BTW - It's interesting that you mention, "what's up with that?"

              There's a denier site called just that at:
              http://wattsupwiththat.com/

              But it's a moniker taken from the web-site owner's name. His last name is Watts.
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          • Author by tuersm3856 (December 06, 2009 2:36 pm ET)
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            These "deniers" would LOVE to see an investigation and have a debate. We cannot afford to let that happen. The time for debate is over! Didn't you see the movie? OVER!!
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            • Author by open_mind (December 06, 2009 10:21 pm ET)
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              The deniers have already made up their "minds" on the subject as evidenced by the all the chest-beating in the conservo-sphere. At this point, I don't even think an investigation is necessary, but if that is what it takes to prove it to the deniers (not that it would do any good), go ahead with the investigation.
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        • Author by rtejon (December 05, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
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          Whatever else you want to say about the hacked emails, at least all of the words were spelled correctly.
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      • Author by mk3872 (December 05, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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        Yeah! F--- that stupid Gore! Those stinkin' meltin ice caps, disappearing rivers, rising sea levels and temps are all just a figment of that crazy liberals friggin imagination.

        Hail to the oil companies, RIGHT ON!
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 05, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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        That's why we love you, tbone, you fall for every one of these. I heard Boss Hogg Limbaugh mention this cancellation the other day, followed by his trademark "Hmmmmm...", the one that gets your little Dittoheads spinning.

        Gore canceled one appearance at the summit because of a heavy schedule. He's still going. Your link (very nice site, btw) using "Nopenhagen" to imply that the entire event is falling apart, is sort of the opposite of reality. Gore is cancelling appearances for which many tickets were already sold.

        Another error there, Gore didn't win an Oscar, as badly as the tinfoil hatheads want to take one away from him. The director of An INconvenient Truth did, as well as Melissa Etheridge for a song from the movie.

        I won't bother telling you anymore to try some new sources. You seem blissful with your current choices.

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        • Author by fantagor (December 05, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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          The right is big on guilt by innuendo.

          "So Al Gore's not attending. Hmmmmmmmmm, I wonder what THAT could mean!"

          It's gotcha politics via knee-jerk conclusions and sarcastic intonations. In time, the right will render down discussion of critical issues to grunts, chest pounding and poo flinging with actual poo. For now, they'll make due with playbacks of Limbaugh and Beck.

          Randy
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 05, 2009 6:17 pm ET)
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            Randy, just to clarify, Gore is still going to the summit, it was just one book promotion appearance that was canceled,as far as I know. Contrary to the media framing it as a lack of interest issue, I think it's about there being too many events going on.

            Mr. Gore will still be present in Copenhagen for the climate talks, according to Kalee Krieder, a spokeswoman.

            “He is giving a speech, at the Bella Center — the site of the summit — on Dec. 15,” she wrote in an e-mail message. “Unfortunately, because of all the breaking issues around the treaty talks, we did have to cancel an event the following day.”


            That's a pretty sane account, but in Googling, I found some examples of the wingnut view of reality;

            The cancellation should affect global warming though; 3000 people who paid a lot of money won't have to hear Al Gore's hot air about human caused global warming.


            Note that The American Thinker uses that same witty "Hmmmm.." that the wingnuts love so much to simulate thinking.

            Just days ahead of an international climate change conference, global warming guru and former Vice President Al Gore has been hit by an inconvenient scandal


            Gore cancels on Copenhagen lecture – leaves ticketholders in a lurch*
            3 12 2009


            It seems the uncertainty about Copenhagen is growing. When Al baby pulls the plug, you know it’s hosed.


            * (3000 tickets sold, refunds will be given)

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    • Author by John Diffenthal (December 05, 2009 5:25 am ET)
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      The Scientists at the Climate Research Unit may protest that the emails don't represent a smoking gun but the code and the programmer's commentary is much more problematic for them and anyone who uses their time series data.

      The UK Met Office has recognised the fact by announcing (in the Times, 5 December) an exercise to rebuild the global time series dataset, presumably from station data.

      The good news is that the CRU's and (by association) the IPCC's models of warming are being discredited which is a good thing because their forecast accuracy has been dismal. Just because someone doesn't believe the CRU's dataset doesn't make them a denier or a flat earther. There are plenty of scientists who are sceptical about the CRU.
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    • Author by SLRTX (December 05, 2009 7:18 am ET)
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      Yeah. I usually watch BW. I was shocked to heard Thompson say the "emails show climate scientists massaging data."

      Irresponsible reporting. There's NO proof of any nefarious actions.

      Over 1000 emails, with thousands of files, yet they keep harping over a few lines on a few emails.

      It looks more like a few scientists speaking out of frustration with the deniers. (And we all know how THAT feels!)

      Why do I line up with the consensus?

      If you were a gambler, ideally you'd want to bet on a "sure thing", right? Sure things are hard to come by, so savvy gamblers settle for the most likely scenario to gauge when to bet, and when to hold.

      In horse races, horses are handicapped based on evidence of past performance. Same goes for sports athletes.

      In all cases, evidence leads to most likely outcomes.

      The independently collected and verified proxy data, all strongly indicates the same scenario (the one you'd want to bet on) - that global warming is real, and it's cased primarily by green house gas emissions.

      Personally, I'd prefer to put my money on the most likely scenario, using the expert opinions of scientists and their consensus on climate change.

      So you deniers can throw your bets away on crappy evidence. I'll stick with a sure thing.
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (December 05, 2009 8:11 am ET)
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      Another instance of right wing crackpot media starting some non-story and then the "mainstream" media starting off their "story" with "some people are saying...".

      The story story should have been "the right wing talk media takes stolen emails out of context, and claiming climate change is a hoax"
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    • Author by OliverTwist (December 05, 2009 8:56 am ET)
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      I emailed Brian Williams News program several days ago letting them know that their coverage even then was not capturing the simple fact that it is a difficult task to calibrate northern hemisphere tree ring data to produce temperature information and that this was done by the scientists in plain sight in a fully documented way and no deceit by the scientists was involved.

      It is too bad that Brian Williams himself has chosen to continue the pattern of deceit he has shown in the past about matters of great importance to Americans - such as wars, global climate change, and health care.
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    • Author by Hello... HELLO... Is there anybody out there? (December 05, 2009 9:41 am ET)
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      BUSTED and now the liberal MSM (NBC) is going to FINALLY start hinting at the fake science the GW fearmongers have been using...

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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 07, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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        You're a little behind the other trolls. That was last weeks post.
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    • Author by OliverTwist (December 05, 2009 10:10 am ET)
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      The real issue is that NBC and Brian Williams are engaged in exactly the type of calculating deceit they claim by others.

      NBC News and Brian Williams could get expert advice from any number of well regarded scientists including even Nobel Prize winners that work in the city they work in, who would provide explanations of the real situation. They don't.

      This is no different than their coverage of other issues - such as deaths in Iraq. NBC and other media steer clear of actual experts and instead feature politically or economically aligned "consultants", many of whom have agendas of their own which the media knowingly conceals.

      The problem is that Brian Williams and others like him are liars. And that statement is just based on the lies we know about. I'm suprised anyone trusts them with anything public or private. I certainly wouldn't.
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      • Author by b.o.stinks (December 06, 2009 8:29 pm ET)
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        It wont be long until you will be calling all media,liars,as Couric questioned,"Is the honeymoon over"?Refering to Americans now questioning B.O.s credibility!...Nov.30th,2009.CBS EVENING NEWS
        Its on the way,thank GOD for FOXNEWS and by the way GLENN BECK had to have had a MAJOR role in waking up the rest of the news world!
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    • Author by jtwilber (December 05, 2009 11:18 am ET)
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      Yes. Todays Global Warming advocates are like the Flat earthers of the dark ages. They have their story and refusing to look at credible evidence that erodes their claims. Very Sad... what happened to unbiased Science, its all about the grant money. Al Gore has made a fortune.
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    • Author by terrapin53 (December 05, 2009 11:23 am ET)
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      I am sorry, but I thought the report was fair. Disputing the emails is not that big a deal since she mentioned overall the scientific community thinks GW is a man made problem.
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    • Author by rrastro (December 05, 2009 11:24 am ET)
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      tree ring data are always a bad proxy for temperature. a summer where the temperature never exceeds 40 with copious rain will result in a wide ring and a summer of 60 or more days over 90 degrees with little rain will result in a narrow ring.

      more compelling are remarks in the leaked computer code where inconvenient drops in temperature are "harmonized" out of existence. here

      last whether a trick is ethical or not depends on the trick. the emails imply that two proxies are added to get desired, or at least expected, results
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 05, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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        Is there a form letter somewhere that you guys are working off of, rrastro ? I've seen about ten posts here over the past week that look almost identical to yours.

        In a nutshell, what do you consider the specific problem with the computer code ?
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        • Author by wesley (December 05, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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          Why don't you ask these folks?

          -- The Met Office plans to re-examine 160 years of temperature data after admitting that public confidence in the science on man-made global warming has been shattered by leaked e-mails...

          The Met Office is confident that its analysis will eventually be shown to be correct. However, it says it wants to create a new and fully open method of analysing temperature data...

          The Met Office database is one of three main sources of temperature data analysis on which the UN’s main climate change science body relies for its assessment that global warming is a serious danger to the world. -- timesonline.co.uk

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          • Author by ScienceBuff (December 05, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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            You're aware, aren't you, that your post doesn't answer the Col.'s post in any way?

            The Met Office isn't saying there's anything wrong with the past analyses. They say exactly the opposite. They are simply trying to address public perception which has been skewed, however dishonestly, away from reality.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 05, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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              ...admitting that public confidence in the science on man-made global warming has been shattered by leaked e-mails...


              From a more responsible source, should be;

              ...acknowledging that public ignorance has been deliberately exploited by cherry-picked and distorted parts of hacked emails...

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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 05, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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              Yeah, I've seen quite a few jumping off the sinking email ship, and trying out the computer code angle. I keep asking them what they don't like about the code, but nobody answers.

              And Wesley suggests I ask the Met Office what rrastro doesn't like about the computer code. That's just weird.
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            • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya (December 05, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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              I've not seen any evidence to suggest that Wesley possesses this "awareness" of which you speak.
              ~
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        • Author by rrastro (December 05, 2009 8:44 pm ET)
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          The remarks indicate the code changes because after 1960 the code does not produce the desired curve
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          • Author by ScienceBuff (December 06, 2009 9:37 am ET)
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            No, the remarks indicate that they stop using the dendrochronological data after 1960 because its results stop reflecting what is positively known to be accurate results. What I say is fact. What you state is spin, and dishonest spin at that.
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      • Author by chrisd3 (December 05, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
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        the emails imply that two proxies are added to get desired, or at least expected, results
        What emails say this and what exactly do they say? Do you have a specific quote for this claim?

        You don't mean the one where Jones says he substituted the "real temps" for the post-1960 tree rings in the trees with the known divergence problem, do you? Because if you meant that one, you'd be wrong. Did you notice the word real? He substituted known good data for known bad data in part of the series, and disclosed in the paper exactly what he had done. There's nothing wrong with that.
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    • Author by gpp (December 05, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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      From the weekly standard

      Climate change is a genuine phenomenon, and there is a nontrivial risk of major consequences in the future. Yet the hysteria of the global warming campaigners and their monomaniacal advocacy of absurdly expensive curbs on fossil fuel use have led to a political dead end that will become more apparent with the imminent collapse of the Kyoto-Copenhagen process. I have long expected that 20 or so years from now we will look back on the turn-of-the-millennium climate hysteria in the same way we look back now on the population bomb hysteria of the late 1960s and early 1970s–as a phenomenon whose magnitude and effects were vastly overestimated, and whose proposed solutions were wrongheaded and often genuinely evil (such as the forced sterilizations of thousands of Indian men in the 1970s, much of it funded by the Ford Foundation). Today the climate campaigners want to forcibly sterilize the world’s energy supply, and until recently they looked to be within an ace of doing so. But even before Climategate, the campaign was beginning to resemble a Broadway musical that had run too long, with sagging box office and declining enthusiasm from a dwindling audience. Someone needs to break the bad news to the players that it’s closing time for the climate horror show.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 07, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
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        Opinion Piece from very unreliable right wing pundit Bill Kristol's magazine vs. Science.


        Hmmm, now I really have to think this over. Har!
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    • Author by SpacePedestrian (December 05, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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      Well NBC, all I can say is that the sky has not stopped falling where I live. Temperatures rose and average of 3 degrees every week from April to mid July. Don't buy into another vast right wing conspiracy.
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    • Author by stanlee18048 (December 05, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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      This is what we get when we have a corporate, profit oriented, media to feed us information.

      Now Time Warner and NBC want to merge. Many wealthy folks will use their children to justify their hoarding of ungodly amounts of wealth. Their position on climate change contradicts that idea. Their children would surely want a stable and clean environment over a few extra bucks.
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    • Author by Cephas (December 05, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
         
      I guess NBC is part of a vast conservative-progressive conspiracy.

      Just goes to show: Ideology doesn't care about the Truth. It's simply about being right . . . all the time . . . on everything. Facts be damned!
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    • Author by rtejon (December 05, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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      Maybe Comcast was being honest after all when they assured that they would preserve NBC's journalistic integrity. They meant it as a relative term, that they would leave it as is, in its present state.

      And it might just happen to adopt a bias against net neutrality by coincidence, very convenient for Comcast's corporate interests.
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    • Author by OOzinEvil (December 05, 2009 8:30 pm ET)
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      If it's only a smear, why is the Met office planning on re-examining 160 years of data?
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    • Author by Sigurdur (December 05, 2009 8:58 pm ET)
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      It is about time that NBC reported on climategate. The e-mails deffinitely do show criminal conduct.

      The advice to delete e-mails, the merge of two different data sets on one graph is not scientific at all. The adjustments to the raw data, from the source code, appear to be in error.

      Just a few things.

      This deserves a full and speedy investigation.
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    • Author by jcamp (December 06, 2009 2:45 am ET)
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      Sometimes I think NBC tries too hard to balance the commentaries on MSNBC. If they listened more closely to the views of Olbermann and Maddow, they might realize their own people are debunking the lies by Republicans which are dutifully reported by Brian Williams and his minions on the "Nightly News."
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    • Author by skatscan5624 (December 06, 2009 4:12 am ET)
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      Wellllll, Good maybe we don't have to see the forced "green" themed sitcom episodes the hypocritical bosses force the creative class to write, So they can convince us that GE/NBC cares about the environment.
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    • Author by boulderhippy (December 07, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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      There are three trends this "climategate" has exposed.

      The trend for scientists to hide their data. The fact that FOIA requests were ignored.

      The trend for major media outlets to censor the story (NBC produced the story and are getting nothing but grief for it).

      The trend for backers of this THEORY to dismiss the lack of integrety of the scientists involved. The global warming believers should be the ones upset by the appearence impropriety. It just sent the debate into overdrive, when it was already supposedly settled.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 07, 2009 7:41 pm ET)
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        Don't forget the trend of right wing tinfoil hat wearers believing increasingly silly conspiracy theories. It doesn't really fit in with your trends, because it's a real trend, but I thought this would be a good place to mention it.
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