CBS advances email distortion to claim that scientists "manipulate[d]" data to get "the answer they wanted"
A CBS Evening News report on emails reportedly stolen from the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit (CRU) claimed that an email reference to a "trick" to "hide the decline" showed that scientists had "manipulate[d] some research" in order to get "the answer they wanted." Numerous scientists have stated that the "trick" of hiding the decline is a legitimate method to compensate for unreliable tree-ring data after 1960 and that the email in question has been distorted; moreover, several climate scientists have emphasized that the distortions of illegally obtained emails in no way undermines the overwhelming consensus on global warming.
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CBS News cites "trick" email to claim scientists "manipulate[d]" data to get "the answer they wanted"
CBS: Scientists "talk of using a 'trick' to 'hide the decline' in global temperatures," "which gave them the answer they wanted." Introducing a report on the December 5 broadcast of the CBS Evening News, anchor Jeff Glor asked, "[D]id some scientists fudge the numbers to make climate change look worse than it is?" During the ensuing report, CBS News correspondent Kimberly Dozier claimed that the reportedly stolen CRU emails "have cast doubts on the very science" that a climate change summit in Copenhagen "is based on," and asserted that the emails "seem to show that some of the world's top experts decided to exclude or manipulate some research that didn't help prove global warming exists." As evidence, Dozier claimed:
DOZIER: An email from 1999 shows scientists worked hard to demonstrate an upward trend. They talk of using a "trick" to "hide the decline" in global temperatures. It worked like this: When temperature readings gathered from studying tree rings showed what looked like a decline in temperatures from the 1980s to the present, the scientists added in measurements taken later by more modern instruments, which gave them the answer they wanted.
CBSNews.com: "Climate Change a Hoax?" A version of the report on the CBS News website appeared with the headlined, "Climate Change a Hoax?" Text accompanying the video also states that Dozier is reporting on "whether scientists fudged numbers to over-exaggerate climate change."
Trick" to "hide the decline" was not about getting "the answer they wanted"; it compensated for unreliable tree-ring data
Conservative claims that numbers were "fudge[d]" rely mainly on out-of-context passage from one email. The "decline" in the email Dozier cited referred to a decline in global temperatures based on unreliable tree-ring data, but instrumental temperature data do not show a decline in global temperatures. As Media Matters noted, in a November 26 article, The Morning Call of Allentown, Pennsylvania, reported that Penn State scientist Michael Mann "said his trick, or 'trick of the trade,' for the Nature chart was to combine data from tree-ring measurements, which record world temperatures from 1,000 years ago until 1960, with actual temperature readings for 1961 through 1998" because "scientists have discovered that, for temperatures since 1960, tree rings have not been a reliable indicator." CRU scientist Phil Jones, who wrote the email in question, has also stated that it is "well known" that tree ring data "does not show a realistic trend of temperature after 1960," and the CRU has said that "[t]he 'decline' in this set of tree-ring data should not be taken to mean that there is any problem with the instrumental temperature data." In a November 20 post, RealClimate.org's staff, which is comprised of several working climate scientists, including Mann, similarly stated:
As for the 'decline', it is well known that Keith Briffa's maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the "divergence problem"-see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while 'hiding' is probably a poor choice of words (since it is 'hidden' in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.
Several scientists have stated that the word "trick" is being misinterpreted. The (U.K.) Guardian reported in a November 20 article that Bob Ward, director of policy and communications at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics, said of Jones' email: "It does look incriminating on the surface, but there are lots of single sentences that taken out of context can appear incriminating. ... You can't tell what they are talking about. Scientists say 'trick' not just to mean deception. They mean it as a clever way of doing something -- a short cut can be a trick." RealClimate also explained that "the 'trick' is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term 'trick' to refer to ... 'a good way to deal with a problem', rather than something that is 'secret', and so there is nothing problematic in this at all."
East Anglia professor Watson: "The tree-ring measure declines, but the actual temperatures after 1960 go up." In a December 8 London Times column, Andrew Watson, research professor at the University of East Anglia explained how "hackers have picked choice phrases out of context":
In the one most quoted, the director of the Climate Research Unit (CRU), Phil Jones, talks about using a "trick" to "hide the decline". At first reading, this easily translates as "deceiving [politicians, other scientists, everyone] into believing the world is warming when it is actually cooling".
But it doesn't mean that at all. Jones is talking about a line on a graph for the cover of a World Meteorological Organisation report, published in 2000, which shows the results of different attempts to reconstruct temperature over the past 1,000 years. The line represents one particular attempt, using tree-ring data for temperature. The method agrees with actual measurements before about 1960, but diverges from them after that - for reasons only partly understood, discussed in the literature.
The tree-ring measure declines, but the actual temperatures after 1960 go up. They draw the line to follow the tree-ring reconstruction up to 1960 and the measured temperature after that. The notes explain that the data are "reconstructions, along with historical and long instrumental records". Not very clear perhaps, but not much of a "trick". [London Times, 12/8/09]
Scientists say emails do not undermine consensus on climate change
Distortions of illegally obtained documents from one group of scientists do not undermine overwhelming consensus. Numerous climate researchers have refuted the claim that the hacked emails in any way undermine the global consensus regarding climate change. For example, Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, stated that "no individual or small group of scientists is in a position to exclude a peer-reviewed paper from an I.P.C.C. assessment," and that individuals and small groups have no ability to emphasize a result that is not consistent with a range of studies, investigations, and approaches." Gavin Schmidt, a climate scientist at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, reportedly said: "There's nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax. ... There's no funding by nefarious groups. There's no politics in any of these things; nobody from the [United Nations] telling people what to do. There's nothing hidden, no manipulation. It's just scientists talking about science, and they're talking relatively openly as people in private e-mails generally are freer with their thoughts than they would be in a public forum. The few quotes that are being pulled out [are out] of context. People are using language used in science and interpreting it in a completely different way." Peter Frumhoff, the director of science and policy at the Union of Concerned Scientists and an IPCC author further stated: "We should keep in mind that our understanding of climate science is based not on private correspondence, but on the rigorous accumulation, testing and synthesis of knowledge often represented in the dry and factual prose of peer-reviewed literature. The scientific community is united in calling on U.S. policymakers to recognize that emissions of heat-trapping gases must be dramatically reduced if we are to avoid the worst consequences of human-induced climate change." Anthony Leiserowitz, the director of the Yale Project on Climate Change reportedly told Reuters that "there's no smoking gun in the e-mails from what I've seen."
Dozier advances tired and debunked claim that global warming stopped
Dozier suggests global warming has stopped or reversed. During her report, Dozier also said that "1998 was the hottest year since recordkeeping began. But the temperature went down the next year, and it's only spiked a couple of times since."
Scientists reject claim that recent average global temperatures show warming has stopped
Short-term variation does not undermine consensus on warming. Climate experts reject the idea, advanced by Dozier, that the relatively cooler global average temperatures in several of the last 10 years are any indication that global warming is slowing or does not exist. Scientists have identified a long-term warming trend spanning several decades that is independent from the normal climate variability -- which includes relatively short-term changes in climate due to events like El Niño and La Niña -- to which they attribute cooler temperatures in some recent years.
2009 likely to be among five warmest years on record. NOAA's National Climatic Data Center stated in its October Global Analysis that "[f]or the year to date, the global combined land and ocean surface temperature of 14.7 °C (58.4 °F) tied with 2007 as the fifth-warmest January-through-October period on record." Similarly, NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies found that the 2009 year-to-date global temperature ranks fifth-warmest out of 130 years. The BBC also reported on November 24 that "[t]his year will be one of the top five warmest years globally since records began 150 years ago, according to figures compiled by the Met Office." The BBC further reported that "[o]ther sources say it could even be the third warmest."
AP: "Statisticians reject global cooling." In an October 26 article headlined, "AP IMPACT: Statisticians reject global cooling," the Associated Press reported: "In a blind test, the AP gave temperature data to four independent statisticians and asked them to look for trends, without telling them what the numbers represented. The experts found no true temperature declines over time." The article later added:
The AP sent expert statisticians NOAA's year-to-year ground temperature changes over 130 years and the 30 years of satellite-measured temperatures preferred by skeptics and gathered by scientists at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.
Statisticians who analyzed the data found a distinct decades-long upward trend in the numbers, but could not find a significant drop in the past 10 years in either data set. The ups and downs during the last decade repeat random variability in data as far back as 1880.
Saying there's a downward trend since 1998 is not scientifically legitimate, said David Peterson, a retired Duke University statistics professor and one of those analyzing the numbers.
Identifying a downward trend is a case of "people coming at the data with preconceived notions," said Peterson, author of the book "Why Did They Do That? An Introduction to Forensic Decision Analysis." [AP, 10/26/09]
















So now there "liberal" scientists vs. "conservative" scientists?
Oh, good grief ...
Life in the world of the conservative hack is that EVERYTHING is political & ideological ... Tell that to the melting ice caps, rising sea levels, sea temps and the year 2008, which was 5th warmest on record.
It was tongue in cheek, sorry you missed.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/revealed-antarctic-ice-growing/story-e6frg6no-1225700046908
If ice melts in the Arctic it doesn't create a rise in sea levels since it is not on a land mass. It is already in the water.
I guess you will dismiss this as a "denier" post and keep disseminating ice cap misinformation.
"The ice caps in Antarctica are growing."
"Scientists say it is growing."
Which scientists are saying that? Got something to back up that statement. I thought you guys dealt with facts, not agenda-driven beliefs.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v2/n12/full/ngeo694.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/East-Antarctica-is-now-losing-ice.html
But it doesn't mean what you think it means: ‘Antarctic sea ice is increasing’—Yes, but ...
That's 2006 info. Look at the latest data in the chart & links above.
Or you can close your eyes and plug your ears and fail to learn anything, and remain ignorant. Your choice.
I've lived this my whole life. From grade school on, people mocked me for being intelligent. (We can compare IQs if you want.) From my POV, it just made them all the more stupid.
Now, if you would like to discuss the science, we can do that. If you would like to discuss linguistics and registers/diatypes, I can do that as well.
Ok, let's compare IQ's where both of us are completely anonymous and we can make up any number we want. That'll surely put me in my place. As for you being mocked, I would say that was misplaced.
I'll just quote DellDolly, who with her wisdom put me in my place when she said,
"Come back when you know the difference between weather and climate."
"Poke fun at liberal elitists who think they are smarter than everyone else"
As opposed to poking fun at the conservative ignoramuses who think they can tell fact from fiction?
If you were to educate yourself on this topic, you'd find that we're right and you're wrong, but you'd find that out on your own.
Or you can continue to pretend that you're ignorant and you want to stay ignorant.
But we all know that you understand this - that "trick" wasn't used in a way that it's been distorted to imply.
It's you who has no credibility, and it's behavior like you've exhibited here that strips you of any credibility. The day that I care whether you give me the credibility I clearly deserve will never come.
When people say, "tricks of the trade", or "I learned a neat trick", the word does not have connotations of "deception".
Oh, I see. So, you are not numbering 'liberals' among the group you refer to as 'people', then. And, they are inherently more deceptive, more a cause of suspicion than other groups? Do you have any basis for this claim, or does it just 'feel right' to say it?
There is no slicing and dicing here, right ON. The same word, used by different groups of people, can have different meanings. That's where we get the idea of jargon. It's not a redefinition of the word, but rather an alternate and equally legitimate meaning. Many words have more than one meaning. You want an example? Set. There is a word that is chock full of different meanings. Feel free to look it up and find out what I mean.
Got a simple question for you: Does tobacco cause cancer?
"elitists want things their way and are so utterly intolerant of another viewpoint"
We "elitists" aren't intolerant of another viewpoint, as long as that viewpoint doesn't keep repeating the same, tired, debunked nonsense, with absolutely no desire to consider anything beyond their own simple-minded view of the world.
And, calling anyone who disagrees with you, "elitist" and "intolerant" doesn't help your case.
Wrong off.
Because this was an instance in which strict use of that data produced a result that could be absolutely, beyond any doubt, be proven to be wrong. It showed a divergence from known reality. Use of the unadjusted data would skew the results toward a false conclusion.
The adjustments were made in the interests of accuracy, not to produce a desired result.
This work has been done by multiple scientific groups around the world. No climate skeptic has ever been able to question the conclusion that tree ring data doesn't match up well with temperature data from 1960 and beyond.
No one should.
Taking the word of experts who have significant amounts of training and whose work is built upon the shoulders of generations of other experts isn't being a "sheep". It's being realistic.
You take antibiotics and other medicines, right? Why? You don't have a clue how they work, or why they work, or why someone determined to investigate that particular compound as a potential remedy. You allow your doctor and radiologist to take X-rays and then 'read' them, right? You've never had any lessons in reading X-rays, so how do you know that they know what they're talking about? If you have any children, while your wife was pregnant, did you allow them to do an ultrasound? They measured the head and abdomen circumferences and measured the femur, and told you how well the fetus was growing, right? But how did they know how to do that? And you trusted them? And when you got your brakes fixed last year - how do you know that the mechanic who did the job actually knew how to fix brakes?
This kneejerk rejection of "experts" is silly. It has nothing to do with being a sheep. It has to do with refraining from being a jerk who rejects expert opinion. It's often a character flaw of rightwingers, but anyone can suffer from it.
Get off your self-aggrandizing pedestal and grow up. Independent research and an ability to question and be skeptical is healthy and a product of a skillful curious mind. No wonder it makes no sense to you.
I act like tree ring interpretation is not something that an amateur can do. I don't care if there are 27 different opinions from 20 different experts - he can look at all of them, but he can't do the research adequately himself. since he's not trained nor educated enough in the requisite skillsets!
Too bad that even this flew right over your head.
For instance, say you go to the doctor because you have a sore throat, but you don't have a lot to spend on medicine.
The doctor gives you a pill and says "this pill will help and it's the most affordable."
I'm saying I want to find out what the pill is called and quickly google to make sure that 1. the pill is for what the doctor says it's for and 2. that reasonably it was the most economical available to me.
I'm not saying that I need to understand "why" the pill helps my sore throat, I just want to make sure that the consensus on my doctor's reasoning is there.
By all means, look into it. Nothing wrong with real skepticism.
This is a good place to start. There are links to send you in the right direction from here:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Hockey-stick-divergence-problem.html
Michael Mann's page:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/09/progress-in-millennial-reconstructions/
Commentary on how a recent book, "Paleoclimates: Understanding Climate Change Past and Present", by Thomas M. Cronin of Georgetown University, explains this issue:
http://scienceblogs.com/islandofdoubt/2009/11/hacked_emails_tree-ring_proxie.php
You're going to rely upon other expert's opinions.
Like I said.
Could you have made a bigger circle to try to avoid admitting I was right?
You don't need to do any research about tree rings. All the experts agree. Tree rings don't correlate very well with temperature data from 1960 onward.
The issue isn't whether or not that's true. It's whether or not the data that doesn't correlate should be included or excluded. The issue is about excluding data that doesn't correlate with known temp data, and how that exclusion has been blown all out of proportion, and how there's been a false charge that the data was manipulated dishonestly.
It wasn't. There's no 'research' you can do, since you don't have the skillset or the necessary understanding of the data to do the research.
Again, I'm talking about skepticism, not the denial that most of the anti-climate change posters here exhibit. If someone honestly wants to educate themselves I see nothing wrong with that.
Many of the worst injustices come from trusting really smart people. Mao comes to mind.
They did. Hence "adding in the real temps".
Oh, dear. Again, a need for a simple explanation (which often are of necessity lengthy). Two things to bear in mind at the top: First, as others have noted, the term "trick" in this case is analogous to "tricks of the trade," clever ways of doing things. Second because this is often overlooked, the phrase occurred in a private email where the recipient could be expected to understand the intended meaning.
The idea here involved a plot of temperatures for the last roughly 1000 years which sought to determine temperatures for the years before there were actual thermometer-based records (which date from 1852) by use of a "proxy," in this particular case, tree rings. From early on in the actual records, temperatures derived from those tree rings tracked closely with observed temperatures. Until, that is, about 1960, when they began to diverge: The tree rings indicated cooling while the actual observations said the opposite. This is the "divergence problem," and no one knows the cause (and it's made stranger by the fact that a different set of tree ring data, from trees at a different location and altitude from the first set, continued to track closely to observations).
Understandably, scientists trusted the actual observations above the reconstructions. However, this meant the tree ring data after about 1960 was unreliable and in fact the author of that original paper said it should not be used.
So for a graph illustrating changing temperatures over the past 1000 years up to the time of the email (which if memory serves was 1999), real observed temperatures (and labeled as such, not as tree ring data) were appended to the data after 1960.
To re-emphasize, this was for an illustration of the state of knowledge about global temperatures over the past millennium. It was not part of a formal research paper intending to prove anything about global warming and involved no deception whatsoever.
Let's say that these e-mails did in fact show that this tiny handful of scientists fudged their numbers. After a recent poll addressing some 10,000 earth scientists about their current opinions regarding what the data shows, the dozen or so scientists that had their e-mail hacked represent an insignificantly tiny minority. Even if you lump them in with scientists paid by petroleum to further climate change denial, they are STILL an insignificant minority. The upshot? Scientific consensus is that mankind is having a detrimental effect on the environment and climate of this planet.
ACORN, where eight workers out of some 400,000 members seemed to be engaging in immoral behavior on videotape, was cause for the right wing MSM to condemn the entire organization. That was for 1/2% of 1% of the entire organization.
This is the same mindset that saw between 70k and perhaps 100k people show up for 9-12, and stated that crowd size was in fact 1.5 to 2.0 million. The same mindset that saw the DOW climb back to nearly 10,000 and job loss drop from January 09 numbers of 600,000 fall to November 09 numbers of 11,000, the lowest in two years, and go on to claim that the stimulus, which hasn't even been completely spent yet, just isn't working.
Each little episode by itself makes me scratch my head in wonder, but when you add them all together, it becomes a patchwork quilt of denial and lies.
Granted, it was on the Saturday Evening News which was pre-empted in most of the country because of college football. But it's a start!
When the head of the IPCC claims that they don't base their findings on raw data, but on "value-added" data, THAT right there should make you realize that global warming is religion masquerading as junk science.
All of these organizations need money to survive. They'll will NEVER claim that global warming was a cooked-up scam all along. Hell, they never did that during the global cooling period, either. They just swept that under the rug and did a 180.
You've passed the true ignoramus test.
I've been reading this thread with amusement, but I've finally gotten to the point of being fed up with people who clearly do not understand what they are talking about.
Raven, you have no idea what "value-added" data is, do you? Of course not, so let me explain.
To illustrate simply, I'll use one sort of data: temperature records from weather stations. An institute like CRU gets raw temperature data from literally thousands of such stations. But not all those stations are equivalent. For (again, a simple) example, some are at airports while others are in more urban locations and the latter will produce temperatures a few degrees warmer than the former because of the greater heat retention in such an environment.
There are standard methods of adjusting the raw data so that it all conforms to a single standard, which is much more useful - necessary, even - in doing actual comparisons, detecting actual trends, and doing modeling. That is value-added data and the term "value-added" means the same thing in a case like this as it does in economics: It is more valuable, it has had value added to it.
Understand now?
Would you please give this a rest?
Some people are genuinely trying to get other people to question science. That IS part of the scientific method: always question.
Some people here, like SLRTX, ScienceBuff, DellDolly (depending on well...something), foghornleghorn, and many others try very hard to be objective and not engage in ad-hominem or illogical attacks.
That doesn't describe you, and you are in the wrong place to make your case in the way you are attempting.
Also, your views tend to make some people believe that anybody with an alternate view of something is just like you. That's unfortunate, and not your fault, but you don't help your case or theirs.
Please go away. Thanks.
"The professional association for physicists is facing internal pressure from some of its most distinguished members, who say the burgeoning ClimateGate scandal means the group should rescind its 2007 statement declaring that global warming represents a dire international emergency.
When CBSNews.com asked on Monday whether it will rethink the statement calling for immediate reductions in carbon dioxide emissions, the American Physical Society said it would not. APS spokeswoman Tawanda Johnson replied with a pre-ClimateGate announcement from November 10 reiterating support for the 2007 statement; neither APS president-elect Curtis Callan nor Johnson would answer other questions on the topic."
The remainder of the story is given over to providing an uncontested forum to some of the petition originators.
Aside from the judgement of the APS that the petition had no merit on scientific bases, there may be reason to believe that there is a business lobby origin to the petition. This petition has been out there for a while and people have had an opportunity to examine the make up and scientific and business connections of the petitioners and collect evidence suggesting that the petition was developed at a meeting of the Heartland Institute March 8-9, 2009.
A PDF on the topic has been put together by John R. Mashey at the following link.
http://www.desmogblog.com/another-silly-climate-petition-exposed
Whatever the truth, it is clear that CBS reporting on the topic is not objective or professional.
Too bad.
As a group, they can't predict the weather next week.