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Gateway Pundit falsely suggests Jennings' organization handed out explicit safe-sex booklet to children

December 09, 2009 12:53 pm ET — 84 Comments

The Gateway Pundit blog falsely suggested that the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network, a group founded and formerly headed by Department of Education official Kevin Jennings, had distributed to children an explicit safe-sex booklet. In fact, a community health group -- not GLSEN itself -- reportedly said that it had mistakenly "left about 10 copies" of the booklet on an informational table it rented at a 2005 GLSEN conference at Brookline High School in Massachusetts; the group reportedly apologized for doing so; GLSEN stated that if it had known the booklets had been at the conference, it would have demanded they be removed; and the Brookline school superintendent reportedly said he believed no students had actually taken the book.

Gateway Pundit: "children who attended" GLSEN conference "left with their own" booklet

In a December 9 Gateway Pundit post -- subsequently reposted on Andrew Breitbart's BigGovernment.com -- Jim Hoft wrote:

But that's not all. The children who attended Kevin Jennnings' GLSEN Conference also left with their own "Little Black Book -- Queer in the 21st Century".

This book exposes the young teens to--
Rimming -- Fisting -- Water Sports (Pi$$ Play) -- Toys
It's what every teen needs to know...

[...]

The page titled "How safe is dat?" introduces young teens to fisting, rimming, and watersports (pi$$ing on your partner). Shouldn't every teen know this?

And in case any of the teens got bored, GLSEN was also kind enough to include a list of the local gay bars in the booklet distributed to high school students.

Fenway Health -- not GLSEN -- mistakenly brought 10 copies of booklet banned under GLSEN policy to the conference

Fenway Community Health apologized for "accidentally making available a small number of copies" of booklet at GLSEN conference. In a May 19, 2005, article, The Boston Globe reported:

Fenway Community Health officials yesterday said they left about 10 copies of the ''Little Black Book" on an informational table they rented at a conference sponsored by the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network of Boston. The annual event, held on April 30 at Brookline High School, was aimed at high school students, educators, counselors, administrators, and parents.

The ''Little Black Book," produced by the AIDS Action Committee of Massachusetts, is targeted at 18-and-older gay men, according to the committee. The book uses vivid descriptions and colloquial terms to describe the ways HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases can be prevented and spread.

A Fenway Community Health employee brought the pamphlets along with other materials and put them on the table by mistake, said Chris Viveiros, a spokesman for Fenway Community Health.

''Fenway Community Health regrets accidentally making available a small number of copies of the Little Black Book, an HIV-prevention publication for gay and bisexual men over the age of 18, at an event where young people were present," said Dr. Stephen Boswell, Fenway Community Health's president and CEO.

According to its website, Fenway Health "provides high quality, comprehensive health care" to "its community, which includes those who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender"; its physicians "hold faculty appointments at Harvard Medical School"; and its "[r]esearch affiliations include Massachusetts General Hospital, Brigham and Women's Hospital, and Brown University Medical School."

GLSEN: Organization policy bans "sexually explicit material," book would not have been allowed if they knew about it. From the Globe article:

Sean Haley, executive director of the education network, which sponsored the conference, added: ''We have very clear policies that sexually explicit material of any kind will not be made available at the conference. Had I seen the book, I would have asked them to put it away."

At the start of the event, Haley said, network officials scanned each of the 10 tables it had rented, for $35 apiece, to outside groups. He said nobody saw the pamphlet at the time. ''We're just going to have to be more rigorous in our review of materials," he said.

Haley said that about 500 people attended the conference, roughly half of them students. He said only ''a handful" were younger than high-school aged.

Superintendent reportedly said he believed no students had received the book

On May 18, 2005, WHDH 7News Boston's Sean Hennessey reported that Brookline Superintendent of Schools William H. Lupini says that "none of his students, he believes, took the [Fenway] book home."

Gateway Pundit part of right wing's anti-gay war on Jennings

Gateway Pundit advanced smear that Jennings promoted "Child Porn in the Classroom." Hoft was the first of several conservative bloggers to claim Jennings is unfit as "Safe Schools Czar" because he supposedly promoted "child porn" by allowing GLSEN to recommend for students in grades 7-12 books that included sexually explicit content. The organization, however, specifically stated on its book list website that "some titles for adolescent readers contain mature themes" and recommended that "adults selecting books for youth review content for suitability"; further, schools regularly teach books that contain sexually explicit material.

Media conservatives attacked Jennings with homophobic, extreme rhetoric. In their attacks on Jennings, numerous conservative media figures have resorted to thinly veiled homophobic appeals to paint Jennings, who is gay, as a "radical" "gay activist" with an "agenda" of "promoting homosexuality in schools."

Fox News, others ran with falsehood that Jennings "cover[ed] up statutory rape." Fox News and other media advanced the falsehood that Jennings, in the words of Fox News host Bill Hemmer, knew of a "statutory rape" and "never reported it." While pushing this attack on Jennings, these media figures ignored evidence that the student who told Jennings about his relationship with an older man was of legal age, and Media Matters for America has since confirmed that the student was of legal age and that these smears of Jennings were scurrilous and false. The former student at the center of the Jennings controversy, whom Jennings has referred to as "Brewster," provided Media Matters with a statement that he "was of legal consent at the time." Additionally, Media Matters obtained a copy of the student's driver's license, which shows that he was 16 at the time -- the legal age of consent in Massachusetts.

Media manufactured Jennings-NAMBLA link. The Fox Nation and The Washington Examiner linked Jennings to the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) based on a 1997 speech in which Jennings praised gay rights activist Harry Hay, who had spoken in support of the organization. But like many obituaries written about Hay upon his death in 2002, Jennings was touting Hay as a gay civil rights pioneer for his role in helping start "the first ongoing gay rights groups in America" in 1948, and Jennings' comments had nothing to do with NAMBLA.

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    • Author by tman418 (December 09, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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      Handing out an "explicit safe-sex booklet."

      Even if the charges were true, what's wrong with that?
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      • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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        To children under 18? You're not serious?
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        • Author by Midnight Kevin (December 09, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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          I'm sure they see worse on Gossip Girl...

          The ''Little Black Book," produced by the AIDS Action Committee of Massachusetts, is targeted at 18-and-older gay men, according to the committee. The book uses vivid descriptions and colloquial terms to describe the ways HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases can be prevented and spread.
          This is like every time someone gets "victimized", conservative news outlets claim children or youth were affected...
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          The Midnight Review
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          • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 2:15 pm ET)
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            I assume he was responding to the headline here otherwise what is the point?
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        • Author by raddave43 (December 09, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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          Yes, to children under 18, since they are the ones most in need of sex education.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (December 09, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
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          *sigh*

          So effing what?

          You people make WAAAY to big a deal out of BS like this.

          It's called the INTERNET. The only thing a booklet like that would do for 99% of "children" 14 and up (HS aged = not children!) would confirm whether the "knowledge" they'd already acquired was accurate or not.

          You conservtaives need to seriously GROW the F--- UP.

          This is just one more of those completely harmless things that just looks bad. And it only looks bad because there are still a critical mass of people out there (on the Right) who are afraid of everything and everyone around them.

          No demonstrable harm can possibly be done by this alone. Period.

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          Teenagers reading about sex! Oooooo! Next there'll be dancing!
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          • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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            Well, information such as this is the parent's business to disseminate, not yours or mine or anyone elses. You are more than free to distribute it to your children if you see fit, but keep your nose out of every other families decisions.

            You liberals need to mind your own business.
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (December 09, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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              but keep your nose out of every other families decisions.

              Disseminating (factual and important) information isn't nosing into anyone's decision.

              You nutjobs need to face reality.
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              • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
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                Explicit safe sex booklets to children who are not your own? You are a nut.
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                • Author by vhw28672478 (December 09, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
                     
                  you are wrong gateway is a joke
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (December 09, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
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                  Show me the demonstrable harm being done. As long as the information is accurate, no HARM can possibly be done. And stop saying, "Children." 14-year olds are not CHILDREN. They work, the pay taxes, and for better of worse, many have sex - with or without their parent's permission, and THAT IS THEIR RIGHT. If you're 14 and can't handl;e a frank, open discussion about sex without being psychologically scarred, there's somethign wrong with you.

                  And besides: no one is forcing anything on anyone. The information was their for someone to voluntarily pick up. It wasn't required reading for school course or anything, so there's no "parental rights" being denied here. This is not about me violating a parent's rights. This is about a parent trying to keep their "child" in childhood indefinitely. To keep them sheltered and ignorant out of nothing more than fear and superstition.

                  Obviously I have no right to FORCE the info on ANYONE. But that's not what's going here! OTOH, if I have information that someone is SEEKING FOR THEMSELVES, there is no reason they should not be able to access ACCURATE INFORMATION.

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                  Welcome to the internet age, dude. Where a parent's goal of maintaining their child's innocence well into their 30's is just no longer practical.
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                  • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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                    You are way to wacko to have an intelligent discussion about this, that is obvious if you think this is about the rights of 14 years old to have sex. Please, steer clear or anyone under 18 will you? They don't need your frankness, or perversions. Whew, wow
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                    • Author by NiceguyEddie (December 09, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
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                      My Perversions? Yeah, that's really objective. The discemination of accurate information is not the same thing as advocacy. Telling someone what somethign means is not the same as advising they try it. (OK - if the pamphlets said, "TRY IT, YOU'LL LIKE IT!"? Well, OK then: I apologize.)

                      And BTW... I had my first sex-ed class in a public school, in the 5th grade. That's age 10. And this was about 25 years ago, in the Red-State of Virginia, in a heavily Republican District. So my education on the matter was hardly the result of liberal interferecne or new-thinking.

                      I'm sure that the info in that pamphlet was far more tame (not to mention more accurate and objective) than what they'd find with 10 seconds to themselves and Google.

                      I suppose you rather a Gay teenager talk to their homophibic, hyper-religious, protect them from all that "evil knowledge out there," parents?

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                      Yeah... I'm sure they'd be real open-minded. A great source of information.
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (December 09, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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                        Eddie -

                        Tommy must think that just by talking about sex, these teenagers are going to organize mass orgies. He also must be ignorant to the fact that 14 year olds are having sex that produce babies.

                        I had sex ed taught to me in the 8th grade. My parents had yet to give me "the talk". I didn't immediately turn into a sex fiend.
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                      • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:16 am ET)
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                        I had sex-ed in the 6th grade in a conservative Catholic school. And, it was a wonderfully open and frank discussion taught by a nun. No one was scarred. In fact, I think if we went back and looked at the numbers, most of the kids taught in that class made better decisions about sex and birth control.

                        Parents have every right to teach their kids that sex is dirty and naughty and something to fear and/or ignore. But, they cannot expect rational, adult educators to be complicit in this fairy tale. And, their future partners will probably not appreciate the awful sex they have to endure later, either.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:12 am ET)
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                      Sex is not necessarily perverted. At least, not if you are doing it right. I had sex when I was a teenager and it may not have been great sex, but it certainly was not perverted.

                      Accurate information is what young men and women need more of, not less. If someone really chooses to shelter their children and protect them from a factually accurate education, then keep them home and home-school them. School should be a place of learning. This learning should not be halted or hindered because a few kids in the class have parents that don't want their kids to know why they were born with a "hoo-hoo" or a "ha-ha".

                      As usual, adults tend to completely underestimate the cognitive ability of young adults. Teaching young people about sex does not and will not encourage bad behavior. In fact, there is much more evidence that suggests it will encourage better decisions.
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                  • Author by SigSoldat (December 09, 2009 4:40 pm ET)
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                    Did you actually look at the booklet? It's clearly aimed at teen boys, yet it lists homosexual clubs and bars for the "discerning queerboy." Drinking age in that state is 21 and you have to be 18 to view porn, so why would they share a list of bars and clubs that include alcohol, "nice older men" and "strippers on pool tables and...porn on the tv"???

                    The simple fact is that these homosexual organizations are two-faced. To the public they talk about equality, tolerance, safety, etc. In private they are pushing deviant, dangerous behaviors on ever-younger children because they enjoy young boys. Say whatever you want, but the evidence is out there for anyone seeking it.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:28 am ET)
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                      OK. I did actually read the booklet. It is clearly not intended for young people. The information on it may certainly be fine for young people to learn about, but the words and way the ideas are expressed are clearly meant for adults.

                      However, I would not say that this is porn, if that is what you are inferring. At least, not good porn.

                      Also, gay men do not "enjoy young boys". Those are pedophiles. The fact that you do not see or know that there is a difference, tip your hand. This pamphlet is actually warning young gay men on how to be safe. If you were able to read it rationally without letting your personal morals get in the way, I think you would see that.
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                    • Author by NiceguyEddie (December 10, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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                      Helping under-21/under-18's ACQUIRE Alchohol, Porn and Sex, would of course be VERY wrong. But look at what is being done here: JENNINGS is supposed to what? Resign / be fired? Because he once was involved with an organization that sposonsored an event in which some other participant broke the rules. And even that rukes violation led to no harm.

                      And I hope no one thinks I'm saying that it was GOOD that this info was being handed out. I'm not suggestig that "fisting" (or whatever) should be part of the standard sex-ed class. I'm not. But I DO say that:

                      1) There no harm in knowing what ANY given terms Means, what the associated risks are, waht % of people prctice it, and why someone might, provided that the info is accurate.

                      2) That the Right is going WAAAAY out on a limb here, blowing it out of proportion, and then trying to pin it all on Jennings, as if he thinks this is something that shoudl be taught to kindergarteners or something.

                      And what's worse? Handing a "child" (and again, 14-18 is no longer a child) a booklet or THIS STUFF?!

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                      The Right's house is far from clearn here, and I hat hypocrisy far more than any other vice.
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                  • Author by bruce1ace (December 09, 2009 5:00 pm ET)
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                    NGE,

                    The group admitted that they made a mistake in having the pamphlet available at the event. They admitted their mistake so I don't know why you defend them when they don't defend themselves.

                    It's not the end of the world.
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                    • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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                      Thank you.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:30 am ET)
                         
                      I agree, Bruce. This pamphlet was clearly not written for young children. It is meant for young adults.
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                    • Author by NiceguyEddie (December 10, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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                      I'm not defending the group (I don't need too: this was by their own admission a mistake, not a policy or an agenda) nor am I suggesting that this information should be handed out as a matter of course.

                      My points are merely as follows:

                      1) You lot always blow this kind of stuff way out of proportion, and hypocritically so.

                      and

                      2) This has nothing at all to do with Jennings. This is guilt by association, by asscociation, by association with someone who made a mistake.

                      There just nothing here to run with. It's a non-story, at least on the national level. And even at a local level, this is STILL just not that big a deal. To make a BIG STORY out of this is to be stuck in an idealized version of the 1950's.

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                  • Author by Tbone Slickens (December 09, 2009 11:30 pm ET)
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                    NiceGuy. CNN was reporting that this booklet illustrated or demonstrated "Fisting".

                    Does that fall under the no harm clause?
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:31 am ET)
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                      Why? Does it hurt, Koko?
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                    • Author by NiceguyEddie (December 10, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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                      Absolutely. Knowledge of fisting doesn't "hurt" unless it came from first-hand experience.

                      Besides: How much you want to bet that 99.9% of "children" (again, I'll keep saying it, 14-18 are not children) that see something like that, conclude, "Holy S#!t, I'M sure as hell never doing that!" And the remaining 0.01% are the ones who would have done it anyway.

                      Rather than ask me rhetorical questions, why don't you answer mine: How is a "child" harmed by looking at a picture, or even seeing a movie for that matter?

                      Let's stop taking your conclusion as a given in this discussion. Tell me how they are HARMED.

                      And don't weasel out of this by going off-topic! In asking the question, I'm not advocating that they ALL be shown this stuff. Is it "inappropriate?" Of course it is. But HARMFUL? You'll have to convince me of that.

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                      IMHO no one has ever been harmed by looking at a picture.
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                      • Author by sdan (December 10, 2009 3:46 pm ET)
                           
                        First according to the law 14 yr olds are children or minors if you prefer. Yes some minors do hold jobs and those jobs do withhold taxes which are completely refunded at tax time. Yes some of them even have sex. However that does not make them adults. Do you have children? I wouldn't think so given your opinion that a child can not be harmed by a picture or movie. Physically no they will not be hurt but emotionally they certainly can be. Any parent can tell you about having to hold and reassure a child who has seen something in a picture or movie that has given them nightmares. The kind that they wake up screaming from and you would probably be surprised that some of these stem from supposedly family friendly movies.
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                • Author by Koyaanisqatsi (December 10, 2009 11:53 am ET)
                     
                  The booklets were not "handed out." What part of that can you not understand?
                  Please, point us all to your evidence that you on the right are doing such a good job at educating / protecting children from the dangers of sex.
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              • Author by TX (December 10, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
                   
                My husband and I should be the ones to bring up, educate, answer questions regarding sex to our children. It should be OUR CHOICE as to what information, handouts, booklets or whatever else is used during our discussion.
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
                     
                  Sex education is a part of health and anatomy education. If you want to be the only voice they hear, then you will have to home-school them. We are not going to encourage ignorance and shelter all children in public education just because you choose it for your kids.
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            • Author by Lizinbklyn (December 09, 2009 4:11 pm ET)
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              Taxpayer dollars are wastefully funding ABSTINENCE ONLY

              It's NOT WORKING!!! Ask Bristol Palin . .
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              • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
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                I have no idea what your comment has to do with anything, much less distributing explicit safe sex booklets to underage minors, but hey, whatever.
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                • Author by Lizinbklyn (December 09, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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                  Safe sex v. abstinence, you DO know the difference . .
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (December 09, 2009 4:54 pm ET)
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                  The problem you have is with the term "explicit". My guess is that there's nothing at all explicit in this pamphlet. Gateway Pundit thinks anything that has the word "sex" in it is explicit.
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                  • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
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                    I guess rimming, spitting, swallowing, fisting, etc is not explicit to you.
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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (December 09, 2009 5:15 pm ET)
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                      Nice to see you're well versed on "explicit" sex acts. Were those in the pamphlet? If so, I will stand corrected.
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (December 09, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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                        I see they were. I stand corrected.
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                      • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:34 am ET)
                           
                        Yes, they are. Although, it is not the actual acts that makes me think it is only for young adults and not for children. The way the pamphlet is written clearly makes it seem that it was written for older minds to read. Young kids would never get beyond the curse words without breaking out in giggles. It is written almost comically - at least it would be to young boys. Or maybe I am still too immature, because some of the wording is hilarious...to me.
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                • Author by Ruby (December 09, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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                  As if people under the age of 18 never have sex, amd therefore have no need to know about safe sex practices.

                  I bet the chapter on reproductive anatomy in my 10th grade biology text book was just as explicit.
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                  • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 5:10 pm ET)
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                    That is not the issue. Why you liberals have a hard time following the discussion. This is about a explicit booklet and what the first poster said nothing wrong in giving it to children. I didn't call them that, MMfA did. And I never said anything about abstinence, or sex education or anything like that.

                    But dishonest posters try to veer the discussion to that to soften what they first poster, and some other wack jobs here think is perfectly acceptable for underage minors.

                    Grow up.
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                    • Author by Ruby (December 09, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
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                      I agree that the information contained in the pamphlet was not appropriate to be distributed to teenagers. (Although, I think it's safe to say that most teenagers are probably already familiar with most of those terms in this day and age. And having been a teenager just a few short years ago, I feel pretty confident making that assumption.)

                      I followed the thread of the discussion and I think I overlooked the first two or so posts. I was under the impression that the topic of conversation had shifted. My bad.

                      But I also think people need to stop being so paranoid about sheltering teenagers from the reality of sex. Whether it's a positive thing or not (and I happen to think it's not so positive) kids have sex in high school, regardless of whether they're prepared. And 90% of the reason they do it is because it's "forbidden". Human beings are sexual creatures from the day they're born. We start masturbating as infants. We shouldn't be afraid to have open, honest conversations with teenagers about sex, as if we might somehow corrupt them.

                      And I do think it's dishonest of these pundits to suggest that GLSEN or Kevin Jennings bears the responsibility for this incident. I hope you'll agree.

                      I also don't think I deserved that "grow up".
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                      • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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                        My apologies on the "grow up" statement. I don't disagree with your statements on having frank discussions with teenagers about sex. However, I believe it is the parent's decisions to make, not in a pamphlet given out at school about the topics in this particular one. That was my comment originally.
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                        • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:38 am ET)
                             
                          I do not necessarily agree that all frank and open discussions about sex should be left to the parents. Education is not always easy, but it should be a wonderful place for discussion and learning. Most kids would feel more comfortable having a discussion with a teacher than with Mom and Dad when it comes to uncomfortable topics like this.

                          And sex education should be a part of every middle school curriculum. We should not shy away from teaching facts because they are uncomfortable. Having said that, I completely agree that this pamphlet is not written for children. Just using some of the terms they do, it seems pretty clear to me it was written for young adults to read.
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                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 09, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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                      And I never said anything about abstinence, or sex education or anything like that.


                      Yet earlier, you posted...

                      Well, information such as this is the parent's business to disseminate, not yours or mine or anyone elses. You are more than free to distribute it to your children if you see fit, but keep your nose out of every other families decisions.

                      You liberals need to mind your own business.
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                      • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 6:36 pm ET)
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                        If you think it's appropriate for underage minors be given pamphlets about fisting and rimming, that is your business. Because your argument with me here is on that alone, for that was my only contention with the original post on this topic.

                        You are on record.
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                        • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 09, 2009 6:47 pm ET)
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                          WTF are you taliking about?

                          I asked for clarification of your aparent contradictory statements. I have not stated my view on the appropriatness of the pamphlet in question. And as far as that goes, I would be ok with SOME minors receiving that information as there are SOME minors who get involved in some wild stuff at an early age.

                          And who do you think you are to state something like "You are on record" when I haven't addressed the actual pamphlet at all.
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                          • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 6:48 pm ET)
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                            I was only speaking of the pamphlet and you took issue with it, so now you're trying to backtrack? Whatever. Next time you reflexively disagree with me, it would help your case if you knew what you were disagreeing on.
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                            • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 09, 2009 7:03 pm ET)
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                              Really - then perhaps you should put a bit of thought into your posts so they aren't interpreted in way you don't like.

                              And reflexively disagree with you? Wow, somone's full of themselves, cause yeah, I never reply to anyone else here.
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                      • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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                        Perhaps you don't understand "information such as this". That was specifically directed at information such as this, which was the contents of the pamphlet. Sorry your comprehension is slow.
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                        • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 09, 2009 6:48 pm ET)
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                          Come on now, in context, "such as this" could mean a pamphlet on the same subject that isn't as graphic.
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                          • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 6:50 pm ET)
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                            I said "such as this" which went to the pamphlet in question, specifically, not sex education in general.
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                            • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 09, 2009 6:59 pm ET)
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                              Then why not just say information IN THIS PAMPHLET?

                              So then you won't start going off on me when I try to clarify your posts which are not really that clear as to their meaning.
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                              • Author by southerngal (December 10, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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                                My only point, and first post, went to questioning why t-man thinks nothing is wrong with giving out explicit sex pamphlets to underage minors. What is eerily revealing is that many liberals jumped all over me and criticized my position on that, while few criticized t-man. Scary. Then you come up with some nonsense about how I must have meant all sex education or something. Which is ridiculous.

                                If you support "information such as this" being distributed to children on fisting and rimming and you agree with t-man, then just say so. Stop being such wimps and trying to tell me I meant something else. You, and the others, look like fools.

                                Enjoy your day.
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                                • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 10, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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                                  Right - your inability to articulate your point is everyone else's problem. Got it.
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                                  • Author by southerngal (December 10, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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                                    Well, the appropriate and adult thing to do would be to simply ask me for clarification. You chose not to do that.
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                                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 10, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
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                                      I pasted two seemingly contradictory statements posted by you. It was plain what my point was.

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                        • Author by Brabantio (December 10, 2009 9:50 am ET)
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                          Perhaps you don't understand "information such as this". That was specifically directed at information such as this, which was the contents of the pamphlet.
                          That phrasing really does imply a broader category. No matter what, it's something for you to bear in mind whenever you talk about "parsing" or tell people that so-and-so knew exactly what they were saying and is just coming up with a phony excuse to cover their true intentions.

                          Besides, you followed up the post in question with:"Explicit safe sex booklets to children who are not your own?" You didn't mention the fisting and other acts at the time, because those specifics were not part of the conversation then. You only started harping on those once they were later brought up. It seems sort of hard to believe that you didn't think it was relevant to mention those specifics originally in response to Niceguyeddie's post, while you do so repeatedly later on.
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                  • Author by Tbone Slickens (December 10, 2009 8:45 am ET)
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                    I bet the chapter on reproductive anatomy in my 10th grade biology text book was just as explicit.


                    I'm going to bet you're stretching the truth. If your tenth grade biology text had examples of rimming and fisting, then no wonder we're in such bad shape in this country.
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                    • Author by benjr (December 10, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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                      You're right.... telling kids what fisting or rimming is DID cause the collapse of the economy. It couldn't have had anything to do with the completely deregulated lending market....
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            • Author by raddave43 (December 09, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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              Again, no one was dissiminating any booklets to under age people.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:39 am ET)
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                That is true and it is actually the originial point of the thread. You are correct.

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        • Author by raddave43 (December 09, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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          Did you even read the story above? "In fact, a community health group -- not GLSEN itself -- reportedly said that it had mistakenly "left about 10 copies" of the booklet on an informational table it rented at a 2005 GLSEN conference..."

          No one was handing any explicity safe-sex booklets to children under 18.
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        • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 09, 2009 4:41 pm ET)
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          Those who are under 18 years of age are children? Well I thought the term was adolescent. And do you think all "children" under 18 years of age are abstaining from sex and therefore require no facts regarding sexual activity?

          See, I WISH parents would give age appropriate information (facts) to their kids regarding sex/reproduction. That does not appear to be happening as often as it should given the rates of STI and unwanted teen pregnancies. So in the absence of responsible adults, schools seem like a good place to fill that information void.
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          • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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            Considering you and the other wackos here who this pamphlet is some sort of necessary sex education tool to hand out to underage minors, you all are at odds even with MMfA who is out to make sure nobody gets the misinformation that Jennings' organization had anything to do with it.

            When you are left of MMfA on these issues, I'd suggest a little therapy is in order, or at least stay away from children. Even MMfA calls them children because in the eyes of the law, they are.
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            • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 09, 2009 5:26 pm ET)
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              Wow - wackos.

              Anyway, I think the responses you received is due to the fact you have left the impression that educators should have no role in sex education when you post things like this (which is what I was actually responding to)...

              Well, information such as this is the parent's business to disseminate, not yours or mine or anyone elses. You are more than free to distribute it to your children if you see fit, but keep your nose out of every other families decisions.

              You liberals need to mind your own business.


              So that was what I was addressing, not the pamphlet per se, but your contention that educators have no role in disseminating this info.

              And then you post something like this above here..

              you all are at odds even with MMfA who is out to make sure nobody gets the misinformation that Jennings' organization had anything to do with it.


              After posting this...

              Thank you.


              In a reply to this from Bruce...

              NGE,

              The group admitted that they made a mistake in having the pamphlet available at the event. They admitted their mistake so I don't know why you defend them when they don't defend themselves.

              It's not the end of the world.


              Which I read as bruce conflating the Fenway Community Health with GLSEN. Which is exactly what Gateway Pundit appears to have done.

              Anyway, carry on in your bubble where teenagers never have sex.

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              • Author by bruce1ace (December 09, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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                Thanks I did make that mistake. For the record GLSEN also agrees that the pamphlet is inappropriate for under 18 year olds.

                "GLSEN stated that if it had known the booklets had been at the conference, it would have demanded they be removed."

                I do appreciate your correction.
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              • Author by southerngal (December 09, 2009 6:39 pm ET)
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                "So that was what I was addressing, not the pamphlet per se"

                Well I was.
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                • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 09, 2009 6:51 pm ET)
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                  Well good for you!

                  Care to address the fact that you approved of bruce making an erroneous statement? Just glossed over that, didn't you Tommy? I mean at least bruce realized his error.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:18 am ET)
             
          I haven't seen this particular booklet. So, I am commenting more on the safe-sex angle. But, I see not issue with teaching safe-sex to children. When else are they going to learn? Once again, I have not read this actual booklet and am not sure of the details, but safe-sex in general is not something children should be taught to fear.
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      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (December 09, 2009 2:38 pm ET)
           
        There is going to be a whole lot more of this coming out of Massachussets. They have been waging this war on homosexuality and schools for almost a decade. They have reams of this stuff already. The right-wing bloggers can cut and paste and pin it all on Jennings.
        Massachussets News--Fistgate Archive

        MassResistance
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (December 09, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
             
          Oh man. I stumbled accross MassResistance last night while looking for another, similarly bigoted and despicable diatribe on transgenderism that I'd come across last week, but forgot to bookmark. I ended up using a different example for my Blog entry, but only because I needed a specificly anti-TG example as opposed to agenerally anti-LGBT one. But yeah, MassResistance was pretty appalling.

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    • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (December 09, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
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      Washington Times, Fox Nation, Gateway Pundit, and BigGovernment
      All attacking Jennings within 24 hours. Coincident? Coordinated?
      Did I miss the memo about this being "Destroy Kevin Jennings Week"?
      Just asking.

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      • Author by Midnight Kevin (December 09, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
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        consider that Jim Hoft wrote for Gateway Pundit and BigGovernment, and he referenced his own previous article, as well as another that references both his articles in his article! Ego or just group think...
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        The Midnight Review
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    • Author by Lizinbklyn (December 09, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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      Jennings should have handed one of those safe sex booklets to SENATOR LARRY CRAIG before he flew into Minneapolis . .

      Come on, the dirty airport B-A-F-F-R-O-O-M ??

      YUCK . .
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    • Author by Ribelin2000 (December 09, 2009 6:59 pm ET)
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      I must say, as someone who is all for reasonable sex education being taught in schools, I am just shocked at some of the comments being posted here.

      I mean, you actually want 14-year-olds to be able to learn how to urinate on someone??!! Just because it's ON THE INTERNET, as if THAT MAKES IT OK??!! And then comparing fisting and "water sports" to DANCING??!! Not to mention making the moronic claim that 14-year-olds pay taxes!!! Come on, people!!! Where do you draw the line?? Do you think 14-year-olds should be able to learn about S&M? Or cunnilingis, or any other perverted act??

      PLEASE!!!Some of you people need serious help (especially NiceguyEddie, who I wouldn't be surprised if he was a NAMBLA member)!!!
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      • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 09, 2009 7:07 pm ET)
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        Or cunnilingis, or any other perverted act??


        The women must love you!
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:47 am ET)
             
          Thank you! I am glad to hear I am not the only one that was caught off guard by that. Wow.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 10, 2009 9:44 am ET)
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        I am not sure who you are responding to. I think you are getting confused about the posts concerning this particular pamphlet and sex-ed in general. Having said that, cunninglingus is perverted?! Really?! Wow. I think maybe your sexual partners would have appreciated it if you would have participated in a little more sex-ed yourself.
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      • Author by Koyaanisqatsi (December 10, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
           
        You obviously did not read the article. And apparently you cannot read the comments either.
        Cunnilingus is a perverted act?
        Do you think for one moment that a child, any child past the age of two has to be taught that he or she can urinate ON something or someone?
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        • Author by Ribelin2000 (December 10, 2009 8:52 pm ET)
             
          OK, let me clarify something: no, I don't think 14-year-olds should be peeing on each other. *shaking my head*
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (December 09, 2009 8:19 pm ET)
         
      Gateway Pundit falsely suggests Jennings' organization handed out explicit safe-sex booklet to children


      Teens under the age of 18 know more about sex these days then their parents can teach them. TV, movies, internet, and books contain all types of things that kids' parent deem inappropriate.

      It all goes back to sex education and explaining to the children about sex. Of course age does come into question when parents deem it appropriate to talk about sex. All kids need to understand sex from the point they start puberty.

      Abstinance will not do it, parents need to be smarter and come to reality and teach their children about sex, because they will be surprised to know what their children already know before the parents get the chance to teach them!
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    • Author by Deni101 (December 10, 2009 3:41 pm ET)
         
      Actually the content of the conference (sponsored by Jenning's GLSEN) was offensive enough to get a woman fired for promoting fisting at a workshop for 14 year olds. She continued to state after her firing that the conference organizers were fully aware of the content of her talk. Jennings approved.

      Media Matters and the readers who accept this nonsense are promoting the idea that elementary school children should be having sex in the bathroom (an except from a book promoted by GLSEN). The teeny tiny explicit content warning does not change the fact that the content is perverted. Why are they suggesting that children read this? To goal of this organization is to NORMALIZE this behavior. To claim that this is a small part of what they do is to ignore the fact that for them to do this AT ALL is unacceptable. It is only a small part of what they do because otherwise they recognize they would be called out on it.

      And that's why Jennings should NOT be in charge of education.


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      • Author by Old_Benjamin (December 10, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
           
        Did you even read the article? GLSEN did not provide the pamphlet in question. Those that did admitted it was a mistake.

        Now, do you have any proof that Jennings knew about the pamphlet and it's presence at the conference?
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