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Cavuto's flawed "global warming alert": "It is freezing across the entire globe"

January 10, 2010 2:20 pm ET — 51 Comments

On his Fox News show, Neil Cavuto introduced a segment by saying, "This is our Fox News global warming alert for you," and falsely claimed that "[i]t is freezing across the entire globe"; guest Ben Stein later suggested that "maybe all this talk about global warming needs to be rethought" because of recent cold weather. In fact, contrary to Cavuto's suggestion, it is not colder than average across the entire globe, and climate scientists reject the notion that short-term changes in weather bear any relevance to the global warming debate.

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Cavuto falsely claims, "It is freezing across the entire globe"

From the January 9 edition of Fox News' Cavuto on Business:

CAVUTO: All right. This is our Fox News global warming alert for you. It is freezing across the entire globe. We've got frost in Florida, it's 50 below in the Midwest. You got deadly snow in London. Beijing seeing it's coldest temperatures in 40 years -- Red Square more like "white square" -- the whole nine yards. When all of this is bad news for heating bills right now, but you say the record cold spell could save us money down the road? Ben, what's going on here?

STEIN: At some point maybe somebody in the government will wake up and say, "Hey, it's colder. It's not hotter." Maybe all this talk about global warming needs to be rethought.

Contrary to Cavuto's claim, many parts of globe experiencing temperatures "above normal"

Christian Science Monitor: "Look around and you'll find plenty of warm spots on the planet." In a January 7 blog post, The Christian Science Monitor noted that "[s]ome parts of Northern New Zealand are sweltering in record breaking heat this week. And oddly enough, so are some places in Bulgaria, where a hot spot over the Black Sea has warmed one town to a pleasant 72 degrees. Not bad for a city at the same latitude as Portland, Maine." The Christian Science Monitor also noted, "On Christmas Day, the Australian Weather Bureau reported that Central Pacific Ocean temperatures are now at their warmest in more than a decade. For Australia itself, 2009 was a scorcher, the second hottest year on record after 2005."

U.K. Met Office: "It is not cold everywhere in the world." The U.K. Met Office Hadley Center noted in a January 6 press release that "it is not cold everywhere in the world. North-east America, Canada, North Africa, the Mediterranean, and south-west Asia have all seen temperatures above normal -- in many places by more than 5 C, and in parts of northern Canada, by more than 10°C."

Met Office: Cold weather "doesn't tell us anything about climate change"

Met Office: Cold snap "doesn't tell us anything about climate change." The Met Office said in its January 6 press release that "current cold weather in the UK is part of the normal regional variations that take place in the winter season. It doesn't tell us anything about climate change, which has to be looked at in a global context and over longer periods of time."

Globally, 2009 among warmest years on record. A January 5 U.K. Independent article reported: "The Met Office's Barry Gromett said December and January's cold weather was 'within the bounds of natural variability' within a global trend of rising temperatures -- in which 2009 is set to be the fifth warmest year on record."

WMO: "2000-2009, The Warmest Decade." In a December 8 press release, the World Meteorological Organization reported that "[t]he decade of the 2000s (2000-2009) was warmer than the decade spanning the 1990s (1990-1999), which in turn was warmer than the 1980s (1980-1989)."

Climate scientists: Short-term changes in weather have no relevance to global warming debate

NASA climatologist: "Weather isn't going to go away because of climate change." A March 2, 2008, New York Times article reported that climate scientists -- including at least one who has disputed aspects of the scientific consensus on global warming -- completely reject the notion that short-term changes in weather bear any relevance to the global warming debate:

Many scientists also say that the cool spell in no way undermines the enormous body of evidence pointing to a warming world with disrupted weather patterns, less ice and rising seas should heat-trapping greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels and forests continue to accumulate in the air.

"The current downturn is not very unusual,'' said Carl Mears, a scientist at Remote Sensing Systems, a private research group in Santa Rosa, Calif., that has been using satellite data to track global temperature and whose findings have been held out as reliable by a variety of climate experts. He pointed to similar drops in 1988, 1991-92, and 1998, but with a long-term warming trend clear nonetheless.

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Michael E. Schlesinger, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, said that any focus on the last few months or years as evidence undermining the established theory that accumulating greenhouse gases are making the world warmer was, at best, a waste of time and, at worst, a harmful distraction.

Discerning a human influence on climate, he said, ''involves finding a signal in a noisy background.'' He added, ''The only way to do this within our noisy climate system is to average over a sufficient number of years that the noise is greatly diminished, thereby revealing the signal. This means that one cannot look at any single year and know whether what one is seeing is the signal or the noise or both the signal and the noise.''

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Some scientists who strongly disagree with each other on the extent of warming coming in this century, and on what to do about it, agreed that it was important not to be tempted to overinterpret short-term swings in climate, either hot or cold.

Patrick J. Michaels, a climatologist and commentator with the libertarian Cato Institute in Washington, has long chided environmentalists and the media for overstating connections between extreme weather and human-caused warming. (He is on the program at the skeptics' conference.)

But Dr. Michaels said that those now trumpeting global cooling should beware of doing the same thing, saying that the ''predictable distortion'' of extreme weather ''goes in both directions.''

Gavin A. Schmidt, a climatologist at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in Manhattan who has spoken out about the need to reduce greenhouse gases, disagrees with Dr. Michaels on many issues, but concurred on this point.'

"When I get called by CNN to comment on a big summer storm or a drought or something, I give the same answer I give a guy who asks about a blizzard,'' Dr. Schmidt said. ''It's all in the long-term trends. Weather isn't going to go away because of climate change. There is this desire to explain everything that we see in terms of something you think you understand, whether that's the next ice age coming or global warming.''

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    • Author by Kikabi (January 10, 2010 2:46 pm ET)
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      I'll bet those Australians suffering through a heat-wave right now would be interested in knowing it's "freezing across the globe."
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      • Author by Barry's Dealer (January 11, 2010 5:14 pm ET)
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        Isn't it summer down under right now?
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      • Author by HeeNow (January 11, 2010 5:56 pm ET)
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        Actually, according to Mojib Latif of the IPCC, we are at the beginning of a decades-long deep freeze which is contained within the overall warming model.
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        • Author by DellDolly (January 12, 2010 12:41 am ET)
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          That's a gross distortion of the data, and an incorrect conclusion, and a bogus paper that hasn't been peer-reviewed that came to that conclusion.
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          • Author by HeeNow (January 12, 2010 3:05 am ET)
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            Among other Rain-Man utterances, Latif said:

            "We are trying to discuss in the media a highly complex issue. Nobody would discuss the problem of [Einstein's theory of] relativity in the media. But because we all experience the weather, we all believe that we can assess the global warming problem."

            Latif doesn't seem to understand, and neither do you, that there is a difference between observational science and absolute mathematics.

            Observational science always needs to be questioned. Edwin Hubble knew that better than anyone. And he was right. Look it up, Dolly. Find a chance to get off your dead horse.
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            • Author by patrickgr (January 12, 2010 1:29 pm ET)
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              Among other non-Rain-Man utterances, Latif is calling people who used his work to predict "decades-long deep freeze" grossly mistaken, and speculates that they are deliberately distorting his research.

              Also, while I don't know the context of Latif's quote regarding the media, I take that to mean it's extremely difficult to discuss weather and climate (two different things!) in the media precisely because people think they can make confident assertions about CLIMATE (over long time periods) vs. WEATHER (short-term events).

              Finally, I don't even know what you're talking about with your "difference between observational science and absolute mathematics". The difficulty of climate science is that it's extremely complex, and absolute mathematics are very difficult to apply WITHOUT observations. This is the entire point of models: to attempt to find causal relationships among OBSERVED EVENTS, and possibly even to confidently predict future events. You don't seem to understand this at all.

              I'm honestly baffled by your postings, and if I've misinterpreted, please feel free to clarify. As it stands, the only "dead horse" here seems to be sitting at your keyboard.

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              • Author by HeeNow (January 12, 2010 6:26 pm ET)
                   
                Wow, must've hit a nerve, GR.

                You obviously have no knowledge whatsoever of the scientific approaches taken by Edwin Hubble and Albert Einstein. Might be a good Google for you, just to bone up for the future. Who knows? It may be on a job application some day.

                Hubble challenged thousands of years worth of "observational science" which had been peer-reviewed, cataloged, and "settled". Except it wasn't, and he proved them all wrong. Yes, he had the poison arrows aimed at him, same as today, but he prevailed. I think there may be an observatory named after him...

                Einstein used mathematics to explain relativity, not observations, although subsequent ones have proved him right.

                The "respected German" (an oxymoron since 1939) Latif believes that mathematical models built to justify observations are relevant, even though "they cannot predict the temperature next week" (Anastasios A. Tsonis, look it up). Such models are built to prove a point, not to prove any science. It's obvious that they did not predict the current (and decades-long) cooling trend within the larger model of warming, which makes all such models defenestrated. Yeah, you'll need to look that up as well.

                Sorry...
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    • Author by gwe (January 10, 2010 3:26 pm ET)
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      In general, human beings have serious difficulties comprehending things that operate on long time scales. Fox news definitely has short attention deficit disorder ... they can't understand evolution, global climate change, or any other phenomena that takes longer than 10 seconds to happen.
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 12, 2010 12:42 am ET)
           
        They're all about the short term benefits, and they never look at the long term costs of their behavior! Ever!
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    • Author by england75field (January 10, 2010 3:32 pm ET)
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      [http://globalwarmthis.blogspot.com/]

      As of this writing, this Winter, there are record snowfalls and record shattering frigid temperatures globally from China, W. Korea, Romania, Spain, Czech Republic, Nepal, Finland, Austria, Norway, Seoul, Germany, Bangladesh, France,The United Kingdom, Texas, Iowa, Massachusetts, British Columbia, Scotland, to Florida, and our "experts" have gone underground because apparently Hell is freezing over. And it appears to me that we have been duped by possibly one of the greatest hoaxes of all time, leaving the believers scratching their heads scrambling to find rationale where there is none.
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    • Author by gg (January 10, 2010 3:39 pm ET)
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      Ben Stein finally said something I agree with "it's an idealogical driven thing, not a truth driven thing" but he forgot to add by the right-wing.
      What I don't understand is why the right is so focused on debunking anything to do with global warming, or more actually calling it climate change. While I can understand the debate about the causes, ma-made or not, I can't understand their refusal to admit its existence. What's in it for them?
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 10, 2010 3:53 pm ET)
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        They're all about the short term gain that they can benefit from. They don't gave a darn about any long term consequences. That's one thing.

        They have a "I've got mine" mentality.
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        • Author by Gary Herstein (January 10, 2010 6:50 pm ET)
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          That assumes that there is full scale calculation going on, on the part of the majority of the people spewing this nonsense.

          I suspect that more of it has to do with "identity politics" in which the knee-jerk regurgitation of ideological tripe is a requisite of those persons' own concepts of their selves as selves.

          http://patternsthatconnect.blogspot.com/2006/02/conservatism-as-identity-politicssome.html
          http://patternsthatconnect.blogspot.com/2006/02/conservatism-as-identity-politics-pt2.html
          http://patternsthatconnect.blogspot.com/2006/03/rightwing-authoritarianism-and.html
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    • Author by DellDolly (January 10, 2010 3:51 pm ET)
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      Yeah, I posted results a couple of days ago from Australia and New Zealand, showing how warm it was there, and how warm and unusually dry it had been there for several years!

      One cannot look at any weather in isolation to determine if climate change is happening or not! How can smart people like Ben Stein not know this?
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      • Author by VictorLaszlo (January 10, 2010 4:23 pm ET)
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        smart people like Ben Stein


        Ben Stein may be financially secure, well-dressed, and well-spoken, but none of that has much to do with being 'smart.'

        Ben Stein is an idiot.
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        • Author by ScienceBuff (January 10, 2010 6:49 pm ET)
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          I don't think Stein is an idiot. I think he's sufficiently unprincipled to be willing to utter complete falsehoods to support the case he desires to make. He shows this clearly in Expelled.
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          • Author by MickD (January 10, 2010 10:06 pm ET)
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            He is a strict corporationalist, which means your principles and critical thinking stop when the paycheck comes in. The fact that networks (well, Fox) still gives him a forum to spew is evidence of corporations running information companies.
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          • Author by wookie (January 11, 2010 6:51 am ET)
               
            The funny thing is he really isn't that impressive for a smart guy. Once you get past the hype of how smart he is supposed to be you realize that he sounds like Hannity. Citing a short term trend is like saying that Yao Ming proves that we are all giants.
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        • Author by DellDolly (January 11, 2010 1:56 am ET)
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          Ben Stein is really intelligent. That doesn't stop him from acting like an idiot at times.

          His behavior is something he controls. His IQ is something he was born with. He's a smart guy.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (January 11, 2010 6:30 am ET)
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        You do know it's summer down under...right? The last time I was there, it was warm in summer!
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        • Author by nerzog (January 11, 2010 8:35 am ET)
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          And, in the Northern Hemisphere, IT'S COLD IN F***ING WINTER.
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        • Author by DellDolly (January 12, 2010 12:47 am ET)
             
          It's not just 'warm' down in Australia, first off.

          Secondly, if this cold snap means something about the falsity of global warming, then the excessive heat down there should mean something about the truth of global warming, right?

          But lastly, and most importantly, did you read the freaking headline here?

          Someone ELSE said that it's freezing across the entire globe. But, in fact, it's excessively hotter than normal down there.

          Come back when you have a clue, dum-dum!
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    • Author by MemeMine69 (January 10, 2010 4:39 pm ET)
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      Any globull warmer still believing in this fantasy of death for my children, looks like the last ever fella to show up at a party dressed in dico duds.
      History will curse each and every one of you for TRYING to lead us to war against this environMENTAL WMD CO2 mistake and false enemy of climate variation.
      I want news editors and Al Gore arrested for treason.

      EnvironMENTALism Causes Global Warming
      Al Gore is the Bernie Madoff of Climate Change
      Stop scaring my kids you climate cowards.
      History will laugh.
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (January 11, 2010 7:24 pm ET)
           
        Based on the grammar, etc of your post I can only assume this is supposed to come over as sarcasm.
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    • Author by Whispers (January 10, 2010 5:01 pm ET)
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      I think it's clear that somebody who says "It is freezing across the entire globe" is likely so ignorant that he doesn't understand that it's Summer in the Southern Hemisphere.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 10, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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        What ? The southern whatzahoozit is in some sort of time warp that keeps it half a year away from us in the real hemisphere? They should look into this.

        It's been in the 70s duirng the day where I am, basically since Xmas. Of course, I'm not stupid enough to think that short term weather observation proves anything about climate change.Can I have my own TV show yet?
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        • Author by ScienceBuff (January 10, 2010 6:37 pm ET)
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          I'm not stupid enough to think that short term weather observation proves anything about climate change.Can I have my own TV show yet? - Col. Harlan Sanders

          Sorry, the first part precludes the second.
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (January 10, 2010 9:05 pm ET)
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          Well, you probably have a built in Corporate sponsor, I'll see if mine will back you also. Only about 15 more to go and you could rival the lineup of Sponsors for BeckieBoy's farce.
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    • Author by catlad (January 10, 2010 6:46 pm ET)
         
      How come the met map is so different than the nasa map.Contrary to the mets map eastern north america has had a colder than usual winter so far.It has not been above freezing for at least a month.
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    • Author by pilotx (January 10, 2010 11:13 pm ET)
         
      When I see that PhD in climate science you earned from a reputatble university I may consider the two of you have something intelligent to say on the matter.
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      • Author by Slooop (January 11, 2010 8:52 am ET)
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        Ouch.

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

        Among the most prominent of the scientists is Professor Mojib Latif, a leading member of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which has been pushing the issue of man-made global warming on to the international political agenda since it was formed 22 years ago.
        Prof Latif, who leads a research team at the renowned Leibniz Institute at Germany’s Kiel University, has developed new methods for measuring ocean temperatures 3,000ft beneath the surface, where the cooling and warming cycles start.
        He and his colleagues predicted the new cooling trend in a paper published in 2008 and warned of it again at an IPCC conference in Geneva last September.
        Last night he told The Mail on Sunday: ‘A significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these cycles – perhaps as much as 50 per cent.
        'They have now gone into reverse, so winters like this one will become much more likely. Summers will also probably be cooler, and all this may well last two decades or longer.


        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html#ixzz0cJNvx9a9
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        • Author by ScienceBuff (January 11, 2010 2:34 pm ET)
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          Another clown, er, I mean contributor referenced that silly column this morning on another article. Rather than repeat, you can read the responses to it here.
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    • Author by cmj14300 (January 11, 2010 12:20 am ET)
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      The refusal to admit its existence is because it doesn’t exist. Supposed “Global Warming” and “Scientology” are in the same group to me… misinformed people who are willing to believe anything they are told PLUS the people throwing this “information” out there are making a killing on it. Al Gore is happy to talk the talk but not walk the walk yet still get paid to do so.

      I agree that we need to do more to take care of our planet but why use scare tactics. The Government has used scare tactics in the past and I don’t believe its right. If you take the time to look at the other angles you will see where “those conservatives” are coming from. For example:

      “Professor Latif, who leads a research team at the renowned Leibniz Institute at Germany’s Kiel University, has developed new methods for measuring ocean temperatures 3,000ft beneath the surface, where the cooling and warming cycles start… Last night he told The Mail on Sunday: ‘A significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these cycles – perhaps as much as 50 per cent.”

      Please don’t just believe everything you are told. Be better than that, smarter than that - Research it for yourself.

      *Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html#ixzz0cHFwGlaV
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    • Author by IndieJoan (January 11, 2010 1:13 am ET)
         
      Anyone remember the movie about the super cell storm that froze everything north of Mexico? Wasn't that a theory of global warming, that there would be supercell storms of cold?

      What's in it for the oil companies? Simple. A little cash. These are some real short sighted folks. They knew more than a decade ago that global warming was caused by oil comsumption, but they ddn't start developing new products for the energy industry, because of the "bottom line mandate." (Watch "The Corporation" on Netflix or get it at Cinemalibre.com). Their bottom line mandate makes them short sighted.

      Now let's look at the oil company involvment in Iraq and Afghanistan. At the expense of every taxpayer and civil right in this Nation, they urged people to think in the Extreme Right, with the help of the media and others, and off we went to the Middle East to destroy any good will we could have possibly had in our time of economic crisis, which was created by the wars and the banking industry. I think I am being very generous to call that short sightedness, especially since, along with the wars and banking problems, every ounce of coal in West Virginia is now shipped over to the very same Country that just took our place as the world's leader in exports.

      Corporations exported our jobs, shut down our factories, lobbied our government for every possible disparity against the People, turned around and gave our jobs and economy to other Countries because they have no loyalty, then involved us in those wars for oil, then busted our Real Estate market, and when that didn't cripple us, raided the stock market until TARP was created, which is nothing more than a government-mandated ponzi scheme at taxpayer expense.

      They oil industry was, and still is, too busy causig mischief to think long term. They see no mistake in what they have done economically, politically, or otherwise.
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (January 11, 2010 7:45 pm ET)
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        Anyone remember the movie about the super cell storm that froze everything north of Mexico? Wasn't that a theory of global warming, that there would be supercell storms of cold?


        Please, let's not use bad science from a disaster movie to try to explain why it is cold out this winter.

        Personally I say do what we can to protect ourselves and the world.
        6.5 billion people in the world today, 9 billion by 2050. If weather patterns change, for whatever reason, enough to adversely affect food production people won't be debating the weather or oil. They will be debating how to secure enough food sources for themselves.


        (Hey, new disaster movie plot line)
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    • Author by 4thepeople (January 11, 2010 7:58 am ET)
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      when will you all understand that the effect we are having on the climate is not the cause of any global temperaure change. The sun is the major cause. One volcanic eruption causes more effect than man can create in 100 years. We need to be smart on doing what we can but we don't have to have our lives controlled to do it.
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (January 11, 2010 7:53 pm ET)
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        The sun is the major cause.

        And we are currently in the bottom of the solar cycle, meaning the earth is receiving the lowest amount of radiant energy that it can expect in the eleven year solar cycle.

        One volcanic eruption causes more effect than man can create in 100 years.

        Although there is some debate on it, most scientist calculate that current volcanic output of CO2 and sulphur dioxides is less than what man is currently outputting into the atmosphere.

        We need to be smart on doing what we can but we don't have to have our lives controlled to do it.

        Well, at least you said one thing that I agree with.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 11, 2010 9:08 am ET)
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      These morons DO realize that it will be warm again in a few MONTHS, right? (Or that it's quite warm in most of the southern hemisphere right now?)

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      Laughing Hyenas are both smarter AND funnier than these clowns.
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (January 11, 2010 9:50 am ET)
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        And we don't really even have to wait that long. The first 9 days of January were colder than average here in Minnesota, but almost all of the next couple of weeks are forecast to be above average. That's why we look at long-term averages, not isolated, short-term cold snaps and heat waves.
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        • Author by MaineiacMan (January 11, 2010 1:25 pm ET)
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          And if the earths average temperature continues to cool for the next decade or two (as it has for the last 7 years now) will you then continue to harp about global warming...or will it go back to concerns over global cooling. That must be why the terminology has changed to 'climate change' so that you can have it both ways. It is a pretty creative concept to use the environmental movement to redistribute wealth from capitalist oriented nations (US) to the dictators of third world countries.
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          • Author by ScienceBuff (January 11, 2010 1:33 pm ET)
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            The global temperatures for the decade 2000-2009 show an upward trend. The decade is the warmest on record, just as the 1990s were and the 1980s before that. I'll get back to you when we see an actual sustained downward trend.

            In the meantime, feel free to wallow in your paranoid persecution fantasies.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 11, 2010 1:58 pm ET)
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              I wonder how hot it will have to get this summer before those tinfoil hats start heating up to a painful level.

              I saw an acquaintance on Facebook the other day had joined one of those pointless "groups", I believe their goal was One MIllion Americans Against Obama ( or 2% of the group that actually voted against him).

              I went to the page to check it out, and most of the "research" was based on anonymous right wing emails. The first one was about a newly discovered, or underestimated, oil reserve in the U.S. (quickly debunked with a few clicks over to Snopes), that included the speculation that environmentalists are funded by OPEC and terrorist-lovin countries.

              For such simple-minded folks, wingnuts sure do look for complicated explanations for certain issues.

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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 11, 2010 5:52 pm ET)
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            (as it has for the last 7 years now)

            History and Statistics FAIL.

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            Try again
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    • Author by jcalton (January 11, 2010 4:33 pm ET)
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      The Christian Science Monitor noted that "[s]ome parts of Northern New Zealand are sweltering in record breaking heat this week
      New Zealand is in the southern hemisphere! It's called summer.

      If it's not in the bible it must not be true. Go back to your magical bible-thumping land where Pi is 3 and leave the science to scientists.
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (January 11, 2010 8:01 pm ET)
           
        I'm not sure what your point was but; the point of the excerpt from the Christian Science Montior was to point out that while it may be cold in the mid west and on the east coast, that isn't necessarily the case everywhere else in the world.

        Yes, it is summer in new zealand, just like it is winter in new york.
        To say that the fact it is hot in new zealand proves global warming is just as wrong as saying the the cold in new york disproves it.

        BTW, if you don't mind rounding error Pi does round up to 3
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 12, 2010 12:52 am ET)
           
        Did you read the headline about how it's freezing all over the globe, and how the freeze has relevance to global warming?

        One way to debunk that is to prove that it's not freezing all over the globe, nor is it even cooler than normal in the southern hemisphere, and that weather isn't climate.

        It's amazing how many of you fools didn't get this. Just amazing!
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    • Author by Billos (January 11, 2010 9:07 pm ET)
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      Arguing this point with pundits of global warming dissent is a waste. These people are not thinking with their hearts but are merely spokespeople for an oil and gas energy constincuency. Quite frankly oil companies have a lot of wealth and use it to deter any competition, and that can't be done rationally yet is done with propagandized fashion as seen with the whole of fox news(huh thats a good one, news). It is no surprise that this is being battled so hard. The success of alternative ideas to energy has been seriously diminished for far to long, and now that is finally gaining real momentum expect to only see more, not less resistance. Take the debate out of climate change and focus on the simple points. Being self sustaining without relying on foreign oil is a good thing. And I don't know how many of us got the memo, but pollution is not life. They claim there are no viable alternatives right now that could be implemented right away. Unfortunately due to the success of keeping america hungry for fuel, has also kept emerging alternative technologies from devoloping as they should have, thus making an instant change difficult is obvious. But the technology is here and theres nothing that can really be done about it other than to beat the mighty drum of deception to slow progress.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 12, 2010 1:20 pm ET)
           
        BOOM.

        Take it easy on the nails, huh?

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        Well done.
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    • Author by Dickinseattle (January 11, 2010 11:50 pm ET)
         
      As usual, the global warming alarmists will rationalize anything to continue to promote their subjective non-scientific political agenda. No matter that all of the northern hemisphere is experiencing all time record cold weather "it's just global warming, (now "climate change"), cycles". Finally they at least admit to cycles. Perhaps next they will admit to Sun cycles which will resolve the questions unanswered by their anthropogenic warming theories with corrupted data fed into computer models and in turn fed into the super computers corrupting the whole science of climatology. CO2 of course follows Earth temperature increases by around 800 years according to our best science. This disproves anthropogenic global warming as the primary driver here. This whole science should be much in question and debate, especially given the fraud that has been exposed both in statements on the record and off the record, as well as they could cover them up. The peer review process has become so totally biased that it has been a contributing part of the problem here for years now. Yet this censorship and obstruction of debate shows that the alarmists have much to hide.
      I would suggest we have much to learn yet and to start with the Sun cycles impacts on cosmic rays which help create our clouds depending on the solar winds strengths. We are in a low sunspot activity cycle which allows for more clouds which create the cooling we are experiencing. Warmth and CO2 has always had a positive impact on life. It is the cold and glaciation that has always been the threat to life.
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    • Author by chris817 (January 12, 2010 7:00 pm ET)
         
      Ignorant journalists talking science. I mean, planetary seasonality is a very basic principle in elementary science. Really, Neal? The ENTIRE globe is freezing? It's summertime in the Southern Hemisphere. There are heatwaves and wildfires in Australia right now. Why do the skeptics come screaming when it gets cold at their house? Why do they forget that there are other regions, countries, and HEMISPHERES experiencing different weather or seasons at this very moment? The globe is freezing? Give me a break.

      Neal, leave the scientific discussion up to those trained in science. Get on a plane and go check out the summer weather somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere. Show yourself that the entire globe isn't "freezing". This trip will be very enlightening. A course or two in atmospheric science may also help.
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