Conservative media dubiously compare Reid's controversial comments to Lott's support of segregationist Thurmond
Responding to Sen. Harry Reid's recently reported controversial comments about President Obama, numerous conservative media figures have accused Democrats of having a "double standard" regarding racially insensitive remarks made by Republicans, specifically citing the outrage over former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott's past comments in support of Strom Thurmond's 1948 segregationist presidential campaign. But others -- including NPR's Cokie Roberts, Rev. Al Sharpton, and NAACP's Hilary Shelton -- have argued that the two comments are not comparable, because Reid was praising an African-American's advancement, whereas Lott was expressing support for a segregationist.
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Conservative media compare Reid's comments to Lott's, decry "double standard" because Democrats called for Lott resignation
2008: Reid reportedly said that he "believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate" like Obama who is "a 'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect.' " In their book on the 2008 election, John Heilemann and Mark Halperin reported that Reid was enthusiastic about then-Sen. Obama's potential candidacy to challenge then-Sen. Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination. Heilemann and Halperin reported that Reid's "encouragement of Obama was unequivocal. He was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a 'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one,' as he later put it privately." From Heilemann's and Halperin's Game Change:
Years later, Reid would claim that he was steadfastly neutral in the 2008 race; that he never chose sides between Barack and Hillary; that all he did was tell Obama that he "could be president," that "the stars could align for him." But at the time, in truth, his encouragement of Obama was unequivocal. He was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one," as he later put it privately.
Reid was convinced, in fact, that Obama's race would help him more than it hurt him in a bid for the Democratic nomination. (pages 35-36)
2002: Lott declared that the U.S. "wouldn't have had all these problems" if Thurmond's segregationist presidency campaign had been successful. In 2002, then-Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS) reportedly said of Strom Thurmond's 1948 presidential campaign -- which Thurmond conducted on a segregationist platform: "I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had of followed our lead we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either." Lott resigned his leadership in 2002 following the comment, but Republicans elected him as Senate minority whip in 2006.
Steve Doocy: "It all comes down to this -- there's a double standard. Double standards exist." On the January 11 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade stated that "everyone is pointing back to Trent Lott in 2002 when he made those comments" and noted that several Democrats --including Reid, Obama, and Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) -- had called for Lott to step aside at the time. Later, co-host Steve Doocy asserted: "It all comes down to this: There's a double standard. Double standards exist. The same people who accepted Harry Reid's apology did not accept Trent Lott's apology. And email us right now. If a Republican made those comments, would they simply get away with an apology and everything would be accepted?"
Dana Perino: Democrats' reaction to Reid shows "that there is a clear double standard." Later in the show, after Doocy told Fox News contributor Dana Perino that Republicans are saying Reid should "get in trouble for this, because Trent Lott got in trouble for it and had to step down from his leadership role," Perino said, "What this shows is that there is a clear double standard. I wish there weren't double standards in the world, but there are, and I think it's instructive just for us to all be able to say one exists, and this is what it is. I do expect Republicans to try to push -- because, if you think back to Senator Lott's days, most people did not accept his apology on the Democratic side, with the groups. And then they wanted to ask him, 'OK, well fine, you apologized. But what did you mean by that?' And I think that is a fair question to ask Senator Reid as well."
Gretchen Carlson asked Perino if Democrats' calls for Lott's resignation could "come back to bite" them. Fox & Friends co-host Gretchen Carlson also brought up Landrieu's 2002 statement that "if a Democratic leader had said such a thing, they would not be able to keep their position." Carlson said she "hadn't seen any comments from Landrieu now in 2010" and asked Perino whether those "comments come back to bite some of these politicians who at one point, when it was not their party under attack, they thought it was not a good idea." Perino said it "further erodes the credibility and trust that the American people have in Congress as a whole" and that "everybody can see now just how blatant the double standard is."
Buchanan: "Sure, there's a double standard, and Trent Lott was presumed guilty because he's a Republican conservative from Mississippi." Discussing Obama's response to Reid's comments on the January 11 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, co-host Joe Scarborough said to MSNBC contributor Pat Buchanan that "a Republican would not survive saying such a thing," and Buchanan responded, "Sure, there's a double standard, and Trent Lott was presumed guilty because he's a Republican conservative from Mississippi."
BigGovernment.com: "Rigid orthodoxy has been coupled with blinding hypocrisy." In a post on BigGovernment.com, Lurita Doan wrote that "[r]igid orthodoxy has been coupled with blinding hypocrisy. When Senator Trent Lot made some inappropriate remarks on race, he was hounded from office. And yet, when Senator Harry Reid voiced narrow-minded, inappropriate racial stereotypes, the response from the very same posse, that pursued Trent Lott with pitchforks and glee, is now far more conciliatory." She added that "[t]he unmistakable message here is that there are two very different standards."
RedState asked why Reid gets "to keep his job" when Lott didn't. In a January 11 post on RedState.com, contributor "haystack" wrote that "Democrats were quick to tie the segregationist element of Thurmond around Lott's neck (rather than the State's rights element) and summarily had Lott tarred, feathered, effigied, and FIRED from his leadership position in the US Senate." He then asked, "How, then, does Harry Reid get to keep his job when he sees the quality of African Americans according to their skin tone and linguistic prowess?"
Hot Air's Morrissey notes Lott and asks, "Will this more explicit insult create any consequences for Reid?" In a January 9 post on HotAir.com, Ed Morrissey wrote, "When Trent Lott made a foolish statement at Strom Thurmond's birthday party about his presidential run on a segregation tick, the media outcry forced Lott to resign his leadership position. Will this more explicit insult create any consequences for Reid?" Morrissey also highlighted Obama's 2002 call for Lott to resign as "kindling on the flames of hypocrisy."
Media figures, NAACP, Sharpton say the two are not comparable
Al Sharpton: "What Harry Reid said is nowhere near comparable to saying you wish a segregationist had been the president." On Fox & Friends, Sharpton said Reid's words were "very poorly chosen" but that his comments are "nowhere near comparable" to Lott's because Lott "commended a Dixiecrat for running for office, who left the Democratic Party to run to fight integration." From the January 11 broadcast of Fox & Friends:
SHARPTON: I was offended by the reference of "negro dialect." I think, though, to say that what he said is anywhere near comparable as your last guest, to what Trent Lott said, is insulting to the intelligence of the American people. Trent Lott commended a Dixiecrat for running for office, who left the Democratic Party to run to fight integration. How do you compare Trent Lott saying that I wish this guy -- we'd had those days where blacks would have been at the back of the bus, because that's what the guy was running on -- to a guy saying why a black could be elected president.
Now, he said it in an insensitive way, but he's electing a black president, compared to a guy that was saying, "I wish this guy would have won that would have kept blacks in segregation." I mean, come on. This is outrageous.
DOOCY: Do you see -- do you see when people say, well, there's clearly a double standard, because all the Democrats just said, OK, we apologize -- you apologized --
SHARPTON: How could it be a double standard when you're comparing something that is an offensive, race-based analysis --
DOOCY: But remember, you just said you found his comment to be offensive.
SHARPTON: If you said to me, Reverend Sharpton, you are a word -- and used the racial term -- that's racist and offensive. If you said Reverend Sharpton, you've been overweight, I would be offended, but it's not the same thing. What Harry Reid said is nowhere near comparable to saying you wish a segregationist had been the president. In fact, he was saying the opposite. He was talking about why a black could be the president.
Jonathan Capehart: People making Reid-Lott comparisons are "getting it all wrong." On MSNBC's Way too Early, Washington Post editorial writer Jonathan Capehart similarly argued that people comparing Reid's comments to Lott's are "getting it all wrong. Strom Thurmond was a segregationist candidate. Senator Lott at the time said -- was seen whispering that we wouldn't have had all these problems if Strom Thurmond had won that presidential election. That has all sorts of negative implications for the country, and particularly for African-Americans. So, you know, Harry Reid is guilty of stupid language, of insensitive language, and actually ignorant language, but for him to have to resign over this, I think, goes way too far."
Cokie Roberts said Reid's comments "very different" from Lott's. On the January 11 edition of NPR's Fresh Air, senior news analyst Cokie Roberts said, despite "Republicans comparing [Reid's comments] to remarks that then-Republican Majority Leader Trent Lott made," the comments were "very different" because Lott's comments were "made about how the world might have been better if Strom Thurmond, a segregationist at the time, had been elected president."
New York Times quoted Harvard Law professor Guinier saying comments are "not in the least bit comparable." In a January 11 article, The New York Times quoted Lani Guinier, "the Harvard Law School professor whose nomination as assistant attorney general for civil rights in 1993 was pummeled by conservative groups and eventually withdrawn by President Bill Clinton," as saying the comments are "not in the least bit comparable." From the article:
Mr. Lott's remarks, Ms. Guinier said, seemed to be expressing nostalgia for the segregationist platform of Mr. Thurmond's 1948 presidential campaign, while Mr. Reid comments seemed to be addressing "an unfortunate truth about the present." That truth, she said, is that Mr. Obama would have had a more difficult time getting elected if his skin were darker and if he spoke in a dialect more identifiable as "black."
NAACP's Shelton: "Lott was actually supporting and embracing the agenda of Strom Thurmond, which was a segregation agenda." On the January 11 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, NAACP Washington bureau director Hilary Shelton said Lott's and Reid's comments are not the same because "Lott was actually supporting and embracing the agenda of Strom Thurmond, which was a segregationist agenda as he ran for president as a Dixiecrat. For him to hold those up and say, 'I wish I'd been able to support him, if he had become president our country will be a better place on a race relations issue,' raises some major concerns. Harry Reid, on the other hand, is someone that has fought for racial inclusion. He's fought for fairness, and he's fought for democracy for all Americans, regardless of race, gender, or ethnicity -- to the point he's even put his political career on the line to take some very courageous positions."

















It appears those trying to equate Harry Reid's words with Trent Lott's seem to be afraid to actually say what Trent Lott said.
I guess if people know what Lott actually said, it doesn't help their argument. This is about par for the Fixed News course.
What history would that be? The part where your party supported the civil rights rights movement and advancement of people of color? Maybe it was the part where your party was on the side of people who wanted and succeeded in getting people of color out of bondage?
Is it that history?
It doesn't matter that the label-definitions have changed since then, you fool!
As a black man, when I heard what he said, I didn't get up in arms about it. He was one of the first to endorse Obama, and his statement unfortunately rings true in this country we love so dearly. Lott on the other hand was endorsing a time when blacks had to sit in the balcony at movie theaters. Had to give up there seat on a bus when a white person was aboard. When dogs, water hoses and lynching were the norm in the southern region of our country.
Please don't come on here and insult our intelect with this BS...it just shows how ignorant you really are. If you really want to see just how backwards and racist the Republican party is look no farther then your talking head...Michael Steele. He was elected as an attempt to show the party is opened to blacks, as long as they stay in their place..ie Rush to Steele, the RNC to Steele I could go on and on.
One thing is true about History...it's HIS story!!!
That's why this is not an issue of double standards.
Columnist and blogger J. Foser did call Reid's remarks racially insensitive, though. That is direct.
So, since you wingnuts need things spelled out for you: You fail. Twice. Media watchdogs are under obligation to critique the media response to a senator's comments, but not to critique the comments themselves. Even so, a prominent writer for this website did deal directly with Reid's comments.
Feel free to actually pitch me one instead of just putting it on the tee, wingnuts.
For goodness sakes mmfA trots out Al Sharpton as an example? You're killing me! More on mmfA's shining knight of fairness.
Here, let me not-defend Reid: I don't like what he said. Feel any better?
And the height of hypocrisy? Is it really higher than Mr. "What's wrong with Robert Bork having opposed the Civil Rights Act? And by the way, what's wrong with a 'private' club that only checks black patrons for membership cards excluding blacks?" telling the rest of us how to behave on race?
What we also know, that you seem to be unaware of, is that those very same people, if asked what they thought about specific initiatives, would most often support the liberal side of things. People often call themselves conservative when they're actually liberal.
The out of the mainstream freaks are tea party adherents and supporters. Very few people actually support the things they support, and most of those people are breeds that are dying off, like bigots and racists.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx
But I am not at all surprised that you didn't know the facts, you rarely do. Just like most Obama supporters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8&feature=related
But there are other results that show exactly what I said they show.
Actually, us refuting the post would show that there was NO sting whatsoever to the accusation!
But your personal attack on Victor and I is clear evidence that YOU feel the sting of OUR posts, and that OUR posts sting YOU!
Thanks for exposing your tender underbelly for us to sting on a regular basis. You're always good for a laugh!
That's becsuse your conservatism is a severe mental disorder. :-)
We all benefit directly from Liberalism in this country. From Liberalism that inspired our founding documents to the Liberalism that lead people to fight to free the slaves and extend civil rights to all Americans.
Conservativism on the other hand would have us still under the contol of the British, maintain the slave trade and slavery, and deny the vote to everyone who was not a land-owning white male.
Of course, I am not surprised that there are people out there like you who are confused by this. The right wing media and "conservative" politicians would like you to believe that the forces of stagnation and the status quo are somehow also liberal and creative.
If you knew you what you were talking about, you would criticize the "statist" end of the left-wing (which compares to the "statist" end of the right-wing.
I apologize if you are one of the minority who is confused by the fact that the labels have changed over the years.
p.s. I have never listened to Rush Limbaugh or Newt Gingrich.
Liberal = Liberty
I believe in the right to bare arms. Most liberals and Democrats do. It is an invented wedge issue.
There is no way you can treat them equally because, as stupid and insensitive the use of language from Reid was, it doesn't compare to saying that the US would have been in a better place if someone running on the platform that black people should remain on the back of buses, eat in seperate restaurants and drink from seperate water fountians.
It's pretty pathetic to try to make a comparison really.
As for Mr Step-and-Fetch himself Michael Steele, his own racist comment hasn't seen a call for his removal so why is he bothering to flap his gums on this?
I'm Sorry!!!!!
It's Michael Steele, l should be surprised by anything!!!
The same can be said about Trent Lott....
The difference is that Reid has been on the side of civil rights for his political career and Lott admits in his statement that he is an unrepentant segregationist. If Lott's career in politics reflected a more progressive view of civil rights, his comments would have been taken as the joke they were probably meant to be.
Then you come out and slap Mr. Steele with a racist slur (As for Mr Step-and-Fetch himself Michael Steele). Nice. You closet racists never cease to amaze. Just get in line with Reid. How many more will come out of the woodwork?
Liberals shouldn't be apologizing for his comments. Liberals tend to be dumb when comes to fighting back on these pseudo scandals.
I answered your questions. Now answer mine. Where was Reid wrong in his comments (except for the archaic "Negro dialect").
It was only stupid because he should have known we as a people are stupid and could not handle such a truism.
"I deeply regret using such a poor choice of words. I sincerely apologize for offending any and all Americans, especially African-Americans for my improper comments," Reid said in a statement released after the excerpts were reported on the Web site of The Atlantic.
We've all been saying that it as a poor choice of words. We'll all been saying that it was racially-insenstive, and racially-inappropriate. Suggesting that we're trying to wiggle away from it is so like your bogus arguments typically are, totally wrong.
If your side wasn't making it out to be a bigger deal than it actually is, we wouldn't be successfully countering that argument! We aren't trying to soften it any more than it deserves to be 'softened'. It's your side that's trying to make it into something worse than it is, and so when we discuss comments that rightwingers have made, we're doing it so that it's put in its proper context, not to distract.
You're dishonest, as per usual.
Best Sue-ism of the day!
But a white guy can be as stupid as mentally worthless as George Bush and get elected TWICE.
Randy
stupid AND mentally...
(Note to self: keep my hands of the preview's word puree setting.)
Randy
But dunces like you and your ilk can't seem to understand that there's a difference between "racial" comments and "racist" comments.
No one has said that his comments were not problematic, but they aren't the same as the comments that Trent Lott said.
Let Reid stay, I can only imagine how his face would make the case of how racism-free the left is.
Speaking truth to/about progressives with a shout out to Senator Byrd, who if he had only kept his day job, would have created a world that only harry reid would love, unless of course they had problems with dialect.
And I agree with mikehuck, I don't know why anybody would assume that that was a crack at Obama's skin color, it's an obvious jab at his age/experience.
The meme that this is comparable to what Trent Lott did is absurd. Interestingly, Bob Schieffer fell for it hook line and sinker on FTN yesterday and RAN with it like a lunatic. That show yesterday was a festival of far right talking points! Here's a clip I posted on youtube yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caETFgmngeM
Why is it that repubs arguments seem to always be lies, distortions, unproveable assertions, false equivalencies, etc.
In fact, right wing personalities on the radio said as much, and in less elegant tems. Limbaugh for one couldn't stop talking about Obama's skin color. First Obama's too light then he's too dark. He's a "Halfrican" and so on.
Funny how Rush's flagrant racism is given a pass, but Reid's comments are untenable to the GOP, who only discover political correctness when it suits their purposes.
Randy
Funny thing is, Reid was referring to people like Lott and Thurmond when he made his remarks.
Is Hillary light skinned and "black dialect" enough?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/11/823886/-When-Pat-Buchanan-Makes-Since-on-Race
Trent Lott had a consistent history of racist rhetoric.
Harry Reid does not.
If you don't see the obvious differences between the tone and the substance of those two remarks - you're a moron.
If you do see the differences and still make these inane remarks - you're a moron.
You are practicing the logical fallacy of a false equivalency. While both remarks may indeed deal with race, their basic assumptions and ultimate points are at complete odds with one another. There is, therefor, no double standard to be defended.
Harry Reid's comment on the other hand brings up race directly. I don't know the context of Reid's remarks so he could've been making two points. First, to counter the historical nature that he would be our first black President. How could he possibly be the first black President if he's "light-skinned" and spoke no "negro dialect?" In other words he might as well have be a white guy. Second, he could've meant it as a good thing. As some others pointed out, there's no way Obama would've been elected if he talked and looked like Bernie Mac.
In either context it is clearly racial. Lott's remarks, on the other hand, are not clearly racial.
The hyprocrisy of comparing Reids comments to Lott's is blinding, Trent Lott said :
"..."I want to say this about my state: when Strom Thurmond ran for President, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."
This is an excerpt I gathered from the Daily Show of a speech Strom Thurmond gave in 1948 as he ran for president on the segregationist ticket:
"What I want to tell you...Ladies and gentlemen...that there's not enough troops in the Army...to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the N---er race into our theaters,into our swimming pools,into our homes and into our churches."----Strom Thurmond
So Lott was defending a racist that supported apartheid in this country but was not speaking directly about race. Yea, and my name is boo-boo-the fool. That kind of thinking obviously works in wing-nut-land but excuse me while I LOL. You republicans are pathetic.
Reid, conversely, made a statement that may have been RACIAL, in that it addressed the subject of race and electoral politics, but was by no means RACIST. Reid was one of earliest Beltway supporters of Obama's quest for the Whitehouse, and believed that he had the correct attributes necessary to become elected POTUS. Reid was simply recognizing the grave difficulties inherent in a black man trying to get elected to the nation's highest office. What Reid said was no more racist than someone saying that Jackie Robinson possessed the perfect combination of athleticism, intelligence, and mental discipline necessary to break Major League Baseballs color line.
Because it was racially insensitive and inappropriate.
But dunces like you and your ilk can't seem to understand that there's a difference between "racial" comments and "racist" comments.
No one has said that his comments were not problematic, but they aren't the same as the comments that Trent Lott said.
While I do not really see Reid's comments as racist, but more politically incorrect, I also believed, at the time of Lott's statement, that it was not in support of segregationist policies, but just a platitude for an aging politician.
Another instance of making mountains out of mole hills...
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But as I noted in "A Confederacy of Dunces," Lott has been very clear in myriad other ways that he wasn't just whistling Dixie:
Lott was a speaker in 1992 at an event of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a successor to the White Citizens' Councils of Jim Crow days. Among its offerings in seething racial hatred is a "Wanted" poster of Abraham Lincoln. Lott's also offered his rebel yell in the virulently neo-Confederate Southern Partisan, where in 1984 he called the Civil War "the war of aggression."
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/gop-whistling-dixie-on-lott-reid-comparison
The truth is he was really being forced out by the far-right of G-Dub and Rove because they did not like the way Lott was known to attempt to bring Democrats aboard to carry legislation. He worked with Clinton. They wanted their boy, Frist, who did not give a damn about bipartisanship.
"Trent Lott technically didn't even bring up race. He could've easily been referring to Strom's political ideas that would have avoided the problems the country faced. "
Wow, that sure is some dandy mental gymnastics on display but there is one fatal error with your argument:
Thurmond's "political ideas" were in fact based on the way he felt about the position of white people and black people in society. His views didn't favor the blacks. This is no secret.
Your contention that because he didn't mention race his political views may or may not have been steeped in bigotry is absurd.
Reinhard
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This statement is partially true...In public he was the Anti Black establishment candidate. Behind closed doors, he loved the same black women he hated so dearly in public.
I haven't heard a single person here, or anywhere for that matter,claim Reid's choice of words as anything less than stupid.But that doesn't make them bigoted.
Conversely, RNC Chairman Steele used the phrase "honest Injun" on Fox News' Hannity Show. Is Steele a "racist"? I don't think so. He did however use a poor choice of words that invoke the sensitive issue of bigotry towards Native North Americans. Stupid. Yes. Racist, no. So by your assertion that a double standard exists, your model, " the left would be up in arms,all over the news,demanding resignations immediately,etc".
I have yet to hear of any such uproar.
Your hypothetical has been falsified.
Reinhard
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I do recall when Limbaugh and a group of other investors sought to purchase the Rams. However your assertion that the left was falling all other themselves and attributing false quotes has been shown by MMFA and other uotlets, to be false. Limbaugh routinely makes bigoted comments. Any contention otherwise is pure nonsense.
Reinhard
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I can say for sure that I would not be. Anyone who is familiar with my posts here can attest to the fact that I have actually defended Lott over the silly remarks he made trying to be supportive of a 100 year old man in what amounted to his political eulogy. To pretend like Lott needed to go away and never be heard from again is ludicrous. It is the worst part of the political correctness that permeates our culture today. It is the game of political gotcha. The real reason Lott lost his power is because the far-right of G-Dub did not appreciate Lott and his statesmanship. Lott actually worked with Democrats in his day during the Clinton years.
Is what Reid said racist? I do not believe so. Is it awkward? Yes. I have had 3 different people work for me over the years that were much older than me that used the terms "colored" and "Negro" to describe black people. Two of them were older white women and one of them was an older black man. They all used the terms easily and they made me flinch each and every time. However, I do think these terms are more out-of-date than racist. I don't think the NAACP nor the United Negro College Fund has anything against black people in general. It is just from a different time.
I also have to say that I have had someone tell me they were offended that I use the term black to describe African-Americans. Perhaps this term is also becoming outdated. However, I grew up in a neighborhood that was almost completely black and all of the guys I grew up with were black and that is the term we always used and the term I am comfortable with. I certainly do not mean anything racist by it.