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Selective memory? Former Bush official Hughes ignored Reid's ties to Al Qaeda

January 17, 2010 3:17 pm ET — 24 Comments

On Meet the Press, public relations executive and former Bush administration official Karen Hughes argued that Northwest Airlines bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab should not be tried in a criminal court -- as "shoe bomber" Richard Reid was -- because the "circumstances weren't similar. He [Reid] was not sent here by Al Qaeda to engage in an act of war against our country." However, Reid's indictment explicitly tied him to Al Qaeda training camps; the FBI reportedly believed "an al Qaeda bomb maker" made Reid's bomb; and, during his sentencing, Reid professed "allegiance" to Osama bin Laden before saying he was "at war" with the United States.

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Hughes claims Abdulmutallab and Reid situations "weren't similar" because Reid wasn't "sent here by Al Qaeda"

From the January 17 broadcast of NBC's Meet the Press:

HUGHES: I do think that President Obama has made some decisions that have been very ill-advised in the area of national security. For example, the decision to try the Christmas Day -- the Al Qaeda operative who came here to engage in an act of war against our country on Christmas Day -- in civilian courts is a mistake. He's someone who was training in the training camps in Yemen. He might have knowledge of other pending attacks against our country. He should have been interrogated legally and designated as an enemy combatant and interrogated --

DAVID GREGORY (host): He did provide a good deal of information just being interrogated by existing methods.

HUGHES: Well, he could have, you say.

GREGORY: No, he was. He provided a lot of information so far.

HUGHES: I hope so. But again, I think it's a mistake to take someone -- we have to be very honest about what is at stake in this war against Al Qaeda.

JOHN PODESTA (CEO, Center for American Progress): That's exactly what the Bush administration did with Mr. Reeves [sic], the shoe bomber, who was -- in very similar circumstances, was traveling to the United States.

HUGHES: The circumstances weren't similar. He was not sent here by Al Qaeda to engage in an act of war against our country. It was not a similar situation.

Reid indictment tied him to Al Qaeda training camps

Two of the counts against Reid said "[at] various times relevant to this count, Richard Colvin Reid received training from Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan." On January 16, 2002, a grand jury indicted Reid on eight counts related to terrorism, including "attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against a national of the United States," and "attempted homicide of a national of the United States outside the United States." For those two charges, the indictment states:

1. At all times relevant to this count brought under Title 18, United States Code, Chapter 113B--Terrorism, Al-Qaeda was a designated foreign terrorist organization pursuant to 8 U.S.C. §1189.

2. At various times relevant to this count, Richard Colvin Reid received training from Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

FBI reportedly suspected Al Qaeda involvement in Reid's attempted attack

NY Times: "Prosecutors said they found evidence that" Reid "had help" with constructing his bomb. In a January 31, 2003, article on Reid's sentencing, The New York Times reported: "Although Mr. Reid told investigators that he had constructed the bombs himself from materials he bought in Europe, prosecutors said they found evidence that he had help. Among the evidence was a human hair in the bomb and a palm print on the paper used to make the detonator."

 Mueller reportedly said FBI believed "an al Qaeda bomb maker" made Reid's bomb. In a May 2002 speech before the National Association of District Attorneys, FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III reportedly said that the FBI believed that ''an Al Qaeda bomb maker'' made Reid's shoe bomb.

During sentencing, Reid pledged "allegiance" to bin Laden and said he was "at war" with the U.S.

Reid: I "admit my allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah." According to CNN transcripts from Reid's January 30, 2003, sentencing hearing, Reid said: "I further admit my allegiance to Osama bin Laden," and "I am at war with your country." He added:

REID: With regards to what you said about killing innocent people, I will say one thing. Your government has killed 2 million children in Iraq. If you want to think about something, against 2 million, I don't see no comparison.

Your government has sponsored the rape and torture of Muslims in the prisons of Egypt and Turkey and Syria and Jordan with their money and with their weapons. I don't know, see what I done as being equal to rape and to torture, or to the deaths of the two million children in Iraq.

 Reid: "I am at war with your country." Reid further stated:

REID: So, for this reason, I think I ought not apologize for my actions. I am at war with your country. I'm at war with them not for personal reasons but because they have murdered more than, so many children and they have oppressed my religion and they have oppressed people for no reason except that they say we believe in Allah.

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    • Author by bishamon (January 17, 2010 3:41 pm ET)
         
      Ah, the good old days return. Karen Hughes not knowing what she was talking about? Sadly, not really news, is it? (And yet she is so sure of herself.) And complaining about "blaming" Bush for mentioning the troubles Obama inherited?

      How about that in-depth timeline of Haiti's history, giving no idea of how Haiti's slave and colonial history has led to her current poverty? And how about at least a mention of the fact that Haitians speak French, and how this might have been a factor in decisions to help or not help Haiti over the years?
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    • Author by worrierking (January 17, 2010 4:12 pm ET)
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      SO Reid was at war with our government?

      He and Limbaugh have something in common.
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      • Author by Old55 (January 18, 2010 8:58 am ET)
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        Ha! Good one. I like how Limbaugh says "he's an optimist". Really. His show is nothing but negativity -- and a heavy dose at that.
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      • Author by wzwriter (January 18, 2010 12:14 pm ET)
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        Maybe they can throw Limbaugh into Supermax along with the shoe bomber, and throw away the key.
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    • Author by fantagor (January 17, 2010 5:00 pm ET)
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      Another one of Bush's special ed group fails yet again to shoot off their pie-hole in a manner that comports with the facts.

      Call me when one of these empty souls actually stays within the lines of reality. That'll surely signify the end of all things.

      Randy
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    • Author by overmars jr. (January 17, 2010 5:32 pm ET)
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      Do these people have any other kind of memory? I think that's all they have in the locker.
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    • Author by Bad News (January 17, 2010 5:38 pm ET)
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      Tim Russert would have Nailed her to the Wall.


      Mr. News
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    • Author by sluggo (January 17, 2010 6:06 pm ET)
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      I wonder if David Gregory's employment contract requires a minimum number of intelligent follow-up questions a month?

      Has he already met his quota so he doesn't have to do any more homework?
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 17, 2010 9:58 pm ET)
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        He's really pretty bad at his job. His conservative bias shines through too often.
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        • Author by magnolialover (January 17, 2010 11:18 pm ET)
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          I don't know if he's even biased, but more, not good at his job really.
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          • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© (January 18, 2010 6:22 am ET)
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            I'd say that David Gregory does exactly what G.E. wants him to do.

            G.E. does not want the public to realize just how much they are being taken to the cleaners day in and day out by our country's defense and financial companies.
            ~
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    • Author by everettbme (January 17, 2010 6:07 pm ET)
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      Are all these former Bush people just playing dumb, are they really that stupid. Actually it is kind of hard to say for sure since Bush himself was so good at forgetting things or conveniently having no knowledge of things that happened.
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      • Author by blakester (January 17, 2010 8:07 pm ET)
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        And this was just one example crazy lying on MTP. My jaw pretty much dropped wide open with every statement that popped out. Though it was hard to top her saying that people supporting Obama should stop blaming Bush and move on...then immediately said that Bush inherited a recession from Clinton.
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    • Author by ProgLib (January 18, 2010 4:47 am ET)
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      Well, first off, when I was watching Mrs. Hughes, I kept telling myself what a sorry excuse for a Bush apologist she is... it was hard to watch her rationalize every great point Mr. Podesta was making. In fact, she is a classic apologist, not only for Bush, but for the right, in general.

      Also, I love how Bush officials are now all of a sudden acting like Richard Reid was not a real terrorist and just happened to be coming to America by chance and that his attack was thwarted by luck. They act like the situation was nothing like the recent Christmas day attack attempt when it clearly was and could have very well been as terrible of a mistake by the United States under Bush if he was let into the country. Comparing the technology in 2002 to right now, it's obvious that we couldn't have caught him as easily back then as we would want to right now, seeing as how we were caught sleeping in both situations.
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 18, 2010 11:19 am ET)
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        The most offensive way they've done this in my estimation is be limiting their description of terrorist threats that 'count' to only "domestic" ones, and since Richard Reid was over the ocean when the attack occurred, his doesn't count, but since the recent guy was actually over US airspace when his happened, it DOES count as an incident of domestic terrorism, despite the fact that he wasn't on American soil.
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (January 18, 2010 6:48 am ET)
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      New history books will have Jan 20, 2001 to Jan 20, 2009, redacted.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 9:39 am ET)
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      "He [Reid] was not sent here by Al Quaeda to engage in an act of war against our country."

      Oh, for the love of...

      AL-QUAEDA CAN NOT COMMIT ACTS OF WAR!!!

      Only COUTRIES can commit acts of WAR! That's what MAKES it TERRORISM - the LACK of it being a soverign state's foreign policy!!!

      "Al-Quaeda" ain't no country that I ever heard of!!!

      For Pete's sake: Is it WAR or is it TERRORISM? Make up your mind, and buy a f---ing dictionary, becuause they're not the same thing!

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      (And, BTW, if it's WAR, then he's a POW and subject to Geneva protections. So be careful what you wish for, MORON!)
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    • Author by Porkeater (January 18, 2010 12:40 pm ET)
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      Allow me: THEY LIE! THEY LIE!!! KNOWINGLY, CYNICALLY, and MALICIOUSLY, THEY BEAR FALSE WITNESS!!!

      Sorry; i seldom raise my voice. The more i see these "commentators" the less i believe that they are making mistakes; they are willingly and consciously trying to revise history to promote hate.

      And i'm with NiceguyEddie; this is not a war. This is mercenary terrorism. Right-heads thrive on a state of violence and confusion, where they turn exceptions to the law into the norm. And they do not care who suffers! They DO NOT "believe" things unless it suits them! THEY ARE IN IT FOR MONEY AND POWER!!!

      Sorry for shouting... i'm a bit peeved this morning.
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    • Author by DellDolly (January 18, 2010 1:47 pm ET)
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      She no longer has the role of press secretary, and hasn't for years and years, but you sure wouldn't know it from her answer here, would you?
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      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 18, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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        Or from the fact that she keeps getting invited onto the talking-head shows...
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    • Author by Romario (January 18, 2010 9:48 pm ET)
         
      And did David Gregory correct her...NO! Same thing Stephanopoulis did 2 weeks ago when Guliani claimed there were no terror attacks under Bush...was he corrected? NO!

      Gotta love our media.
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