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"I want to be fair here": Fox anchor Jarrett distorts Coakley remarks to portray her as "out of step"

January 18, 2010 12:14 pm ET — 151 Comments

On the January 17 edition of America's News HQ, anchor Gregg Jarrett said that Massachusetts Attorney General and Democratic Senate candidate Martha Coakley might be "out of step when she says things like terrorists are no longer in Afghanistan, or in the debate saying, quote, 'We need to get taxes up.' " Both attacks are distortions: The context of Coakley's Afghanistan comments makes clear that she was referring to Al Qaeda's presence in Afghanistan -- echoing numerous military experts' statements regarding Al Qaeda's diminished presence in Afghanistan, and the context of Coakley's tax comments indicates that she was referring to increasing tax revenues by getting people back to work.

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From the January 17 edition of Fox News' America's News HQ:

JARRETT: Maybe it's -- Martha Coakley is out of step when she says things like terrorists are no longer in Afghanistan, or in the debate saying, quote, "We need to get taxes up." Or, you know, saying something that offended Boston Red Sox fans that Curt Shilling is a --

REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ (D-FL): Oh, she said nothing like that.

JARRETT: Yankees fan.

WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: Come on.

JARRETT: No, the question is to [Rep. Ed] Royce [R-CA].

WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: She didn't say anything like that.

JARRETT: I think I've -- I want to be fair here.

ROYCE: Yes.

JARRETT: Mr. Royce?

ROYCE: I'm here.

JARRETT: Yeah, is it maybe just that, that this is a candidate, Martha Coakley, who has said some things that don't resonate with people. It's not about health care, it's about some of the other things she's saying?

Coakley was referring to Al Qaeda's presence in Afghanistan

Coakley: "Let's focus our efforts on where Al Qaeda is." Coakley's comments were made during a January 11 debate at the University of Massachusetts. Moderator David Gergen asked Coakley, "[H]ow do you think we then succeed in Afghanistan?" Coakley replied: "I'm not sure there is a way to succeed. If the goal was -- and the mission in Afghanistan was to go in because we believed that the Taliban was giving harbor to terrorists. We supported that. I supported that goal. They're gone. They're not there anymore. They're in, apparently Yemen, they're in Pakistan. Let's focus our efforts on where Al Qaeda is." She added: "[T]he focus should be getting the appropriate information on individuals who are trained, who represent a threat to us, and use the force necessary to go after those individuals."

Military and security experts and officials agree that Al Qaeda presence in Afghanistan is "diminished"

Jim Jones: "The Al Qaeda presence is very diminished. ... No bases. No ability to launch attacks on either us or our allies." On October 4, 2009, CNN's John King asked national security adviser Jim Jones, "[D]oes the return of the Taliban in your view, sir, equal the return of a sanctuary for al Qaeda?" Jones responded: "Well, I think this is one of the central issues and, you know, it could. Obviously, the good news is that Americans should feel at least good about in Afghanistan is that the Al Qaeda presence is very diminished. The maximum estimate is less than 100 operating in the country. No bases. No ability to launch attacks on either us or our allies." [State of the Union, 10/4/09]

Wash. Post: Senior U.S. military intelligence official says Al Qaeda has "fewer than 100 members" in Afghanistan. Reporting on "the relative decline of al-Qaeda" in Afghanistan, The Washington Post wrote: "Although the war in Afghanistan began as a response to al-Qaeda terrorism, there are perhaps fewer than 100 members of the group left in the country, according to a senior U.S. military intelligence official in Kabul who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The official estimated that there are 300 al-Qaeda members in the tribal areas of Pakistan, where the group is based, compared with tens of thousands of Taliban insurgents on either side of the border." [The Washington Post, 11/11/09]

NY Times: Senior White House official stated that Al Qaeda has fewer than 100 fighters in Afghanistan. The New York Times reported that a senior Obama administration official stated that "Al Qaeda has fewer than 100 fighters in Afghanistan." [The New York Times, 10/7/09]

Petraeus: "Al Qaida, if you will -- is not based, per se, in Afghanistan." In a May 2009 interview, King said to Petraeus, "No Al Qaida at all in Afghanistan. Is that an exaggeration, General Petraeus, or is that true?" Petraeus responded:

PETRAEUS: No, I would agree with that assessment. Certainly, Al Qaida and its affiliates. Again, remember that this is, as I mentioned earlier, a syndicate of extremist organizations, some of which are truly transnational extremists. In other words, don't just conduct attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan and India, but even throughout the rest of the world, as we saw in the U.K. a couple of years ago. They do come in and out of Afghanistan, but the Al Qaida -- precise Al Qaida, if you will -- is not based, per se, in Afghanistan, although its elements and certainly its affiliates -- Baitullah Mehsud's group, commander Nazir Khaqani (ph) network and others, certainly do have enclaves and sanctuaries in certain parts of eastern Afghanistan. And then the Afghan Taliban, of course, has a number of districts in which it has its fighters and its shadow government, if you will, even.

But I think, no, I think that's an accurate assessment, and that the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan -- that very, very mountainous, rugged terrain just east of the Afghan border and in the western part of Pakistan -- is the locus of the leadership of these organizations, although they do, again, go into Afghanistan, certainly, and conduct operations against our troops, and have tried, certainly, to threaten all the way to Kabul at various times. [State of the Union, 5/10/09]

AP: McChrystal stated, "I do not see indications of a large al-Qaida presence in Afghanistan now." The Associated Press reported, "The top commander of U.S. and international forces in Afghanistan said Friday he sees no signs of a major al-Qaida presence in the country, but says the terror group still maintains close links to insurgents," and quoted Gen. Stanley McChrystal at the Dutch Defense Ministry commenting, "I do not see indications of a large al-Qaida presence in Afghanistan now." [AP, 9/11/09]

"Out of context": Coakley was referring to increasing tax revenues by getting people back to work, not increasing taxes

Coakley: "We need to get people back to work. We need to get taxes up, and we'll start to chip away at that deficit." Jarrett referred to remarks Coakley made during a November 30, 2009, Democratic primary debate, in which Coakley discussed the "need to get out of this recession" by "get[ting] people back to work." Coakley stated: "We need to get people back to work. We need to get taxes up, and we'll start to chip away at that deficit, because individuals and the country, my colleague in California Jerry Brown said, we've all been spending too much money we don't have on stuff we don't need." Coakley went on to say: "[H]ow do we get you back to work, and how do we bring that deficit down? Ultimately by being more careful on how we're spending our money as a country and as individuals. We can do it. We've done it before." From the November 30, 2009, primary debate (around 22:55):

COAKLEY: But we do need to get out of this recession also, and that requires, I think, looking at a couple of things. There's no magic bullet to this. We need to get people back to work. We need to get taxes up, and we'll start to chip away at that deficit because individuals and the country, my colleague in California Jerry Brown said, we've all been spending too much money we don't have on stuff we don't need. And so we need to focus on what do we need individually and as a country.

We need to get people back to work. We need to look at the regions of Massachusetts, where are the needs for that, what kind of job training, particularly with new workers coming into the sector, what skill sets do you have and where can we put them to work in Massachusetts? I've been doing that here in Massachusetts. I want to do that as your new U.S. senator, working with your electeds and your private sector folks to figure out where should we be growing jobs? And how do we get you back to work, and how do we bring that deficit down? Ultimately by being more careful on how we're spending our money as a country and as individuals. We can do it. We've done it before.

Coakley spokesman reportedly clarified that she was "referring to the need to increase tax revenue by getting unemployed people back to work." The New York Times reported January 8 that "a spokesman for Ms. Coakley said the comment, made during a primary election debate, was referring to the need to increase tax revenue by getting unemployed people back to work." The Times added: " 'It's a completely misleading ad,' said the spokesman, Corey Welford. 'Martha was referencing the need to get people back to work and tax revenues that would come with increased employment.' "

Boston Globe: Line has been "taken out of context." In a January 8 article, The Boston Globe reported that a conservative group has been running ads using Coakley's tax line and wrote that the line "appears to have been taken out of context from a primary debate, during which Coakley seemed to suggest that the economy needed to improve so that tax collections would rise."

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 12:18 pm ET)
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      "I want to be fair here"

      ...so let me distrort her message and take her words WAY out of context.

      Otherwise our guy doesn't stand a chance in hell. And that's not fair, is it?

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      • Author by DellDolly (January 18, 2010 12:46 pm ET)
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        Based on my recollection of the interview, which I was half watching yesterday, I think the "I want to be fair here" was directed at Jarrett saying that he wanted to give the Representative from California a chance to speak. Now, unless the Republican was going to correct his distortions, then it's not unreasonable for Rep Wasserman Schultz to speak up and interrupt to stop that distortion from standing, but I don't think his comment about being "fair" should be related to the comments that Jarrett said. It was about who was going to get the chance to reply.

        And of course, it wasn't 'fair' at all what Jarrett did!
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      • Author by wzwriter (January 18, 2010 2:20 pm ET)
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        "I want to be fair here"

        He can't. If he wants to be fair, he has to go work at MSNBC.....
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        • Author by grandpoobah (January 18, 2010 4:10 pm ET)
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          lolol... MSNBC cannot be more liberal. Nice try, but you failed miserably.
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      • Author by whatswrongw.themiddle? (January 19, 2010 12:56 pm ET)
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        Chance in Hell???

        your are right he SHOULD NOT have a chance in hell. He is running as GOP in a state that has not had a Republican Senator win since 1972!!

        There is a reason that this race is close and I DO NOT believe it is because of remarks taken out of context.

        And hopefully it is not the nation turning back to the right from the left or the other way around

        Im tired of the crooks in Washington who's interest are in their own wallets and keeping their seat, rather than that of the people's

        Hopefully it is the eyes, of not only MA but this nation, opening to see that something needs to be done in D.C. and that until the "back-door" politics going on by the left & right is stopped (only way is for us to take a stand and be heard) we are on a spiral path downwards
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      • Author by chiaobama (January 20, 2010 7:56 am ET)
           
        She said what she said and THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN! HAHAHAHAHA!
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    • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 12:41 pm ET)
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      Let's see. Who to believe? A liberal machine politician from Massachusetts slips and says what she believes in that she wants taxes up, instead of defending it on principle her spokesman rushes to some microphone and says No, she was taken out of context and really meant that she wants to see more people employed so revenues increase. Gee, now that's a real groundbreaking bold statement, isn't it?

      Sorry, spokespeople don't convince me of anything.
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      • Author by pongotwistleton (January 18, 2010 12:50 pm ET)
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        http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/01/does-coakley-oppose-care-for-rape.html

        It's difficult to believe anything this cretin says after the willful and hypocritical misrepresentations contained in her most recent ad.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 1:59 pm ET)
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          You have no idea what you're talking about, and neitehr does that BS website.

          What Brown proposed in his ammendement was not only an unconstitutional violation of the PATIENT'S religious freedoms, but it IS tantamount to denying proper care to rape victims in all but the best cases - meaning DOWNTOWN BOSTON. Wouldn't work too well in a rural area now, would it? His ammendment was despicable, and THANK GOD it got shot down!

          More to the point: ABORTION and CONTRACEPTION are two compeletly different things.

          If you don't want to PERFORM an abortion, that's fine, no one should have to. (And that;s coming form an unapologetic liberla!) It involves an ACTION on the part of the DOCTOR. But the church's opposition to contracpetion (1) is nothing more that BS medieval susperstiton; and (2) means that the Nurse/Doctor (or whomever) shouldn't TAKE IT, or have sex with someone who does. (Assuming they're opposed to it.) It's none of their damn business what someone ELSE does.

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          That's how RELIGIOUS FREEDOM works: You don't have the right to infect your susperstitions onto anyone else.
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          • Author by grandpoobah (January 18, 2010 4:12 pm ET)
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            You are seriously misinformed. Giving a patient a "morning after" pill is a pill which causes an abortion. Nice try, but wrong again.
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            • Author by Johaely (January 19, 2010 7:06 pm ET)
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              Not really, because what the "morning after pill" does is prevent the egg from implanting in the walls of the uterus. You cannot use it for an abortion. tHe body doesn't work that way. There is not still any actual implantation and thus no real embryo.
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 18, 2010 12:51 pm ET)
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        Let's see - who or what to believe - a dishonest poster named RightON, or the facts? I know what a reasonable person will do.

        Coakley didn't "slip" about taxes. What she said, in context, not cropped, is that taxes going to the state will rise if employment goes up. It was awkwardly said, but that's clearly what she meant. The govt gets taxes from many sources. That tax revenue goes up when more people are employed.

        The taxes that employed people pay form tax revenue. She didn't MEAN that tax rates should be going up, and so she didn't DEFEND that! Why should she defend something she didn't mean?
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        • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 12:56 pm ET)
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          "What she said, in context, not cropped, is that taxes going to the state will rise if employment goes up"

          Really? Wow, what a genius thing to say. Why would anyone make such an obvious statement like that? It doesn't make sense.

          DollySue, You are free to believe her spokesman if you care too, I don't. Nothing was cropped or distorted.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 1:48 pm ET)
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            Why would anyone make such an obvious statement like that? It doesn't make sense.

            No, I guess it wouldn't make sense to a Right-Wing, addle-brained Conservative like you. The obvious never does!

            No, you're right: She said it just to give you clowns grist for the distortion mill.

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            As we've learned from Al Gore, and many other: If they're willing to lie about what you said, it doesn't matter how you said it!
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          • Author by wzwriter (January 18, 2010 5:01 pm ET)
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            You are free to believe her spokesman if you care too, I don't.

            Of course you don't. Because the truth doesn't fit your agenda.
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          • Author by DellDolly (January 18, 2010 6:14 pm ET)
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            It sure does make sense. One way to increase tax revenues that decline during times like this is to END times like these! It's all tied in with improving job prospects, and it's not unusual for a politician to tie things together that can be tied together.

            You have lost all credibility - people just downrate your posts in a kneejerk fashion now. Good job. Keep it up!
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        • Author by ABBA|Proudly teaBAGGING Liberals (January 18, 2010 1:03 pm ET)
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          Dolly has its talking points... don't try to confuse it with fact. taxes up, or revenue up.... what, she has english as a second language. awkwardly said, right.... you are such a... we'll leave it at pathetic...
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          • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 1:06 pm ET)
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            I know, I love it when a liberal tells the truth and then tries to backtrack, their defenders say it was just "awkwardly said". Lol. Baloney. If liberals would just get out and defend what they really mean, there wouldn't be the need for their spokespeople to spend 24/7 on damage control.
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            • Author by peace4all (January 18, 2010 1:31 pm ET)
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              actually, it you wingnuts would actually put some thought into what people say instead of translating it to what you WANT it to mean, then maybe they would not have to defend what they say as it's pretty obvious what the intention is to anyone with a functional brain.
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              • Author by grandpoobah (January 18, 2010 4:14 pm ET)
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                ooopppss... methinks you meant to talk about the Liberals gameplan
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              • Author by wzwriter (January 18, 2010 5:03 pm ET)
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                People like right ON don't have functioning brains. That's why they're wingnuts.
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                • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 6:18 pm ET)
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                  Oh come on, he has a brain, at least he seems to.

                  He has the dance down pat and can turn the conversation without ever answering a question.

                  He may be a hack.
                  He may be a paid troll.
                  Heck, this may be just the way he passes his time, in order to have fun.
                  But; I don't think he is stupid.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (January 19, 2010 12:22 am ET)
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                    Yeah, I think he's actually pretty good at figuring out what derailment technique to use.

                    I guess they used to use the "why is this here" WITH technique, until it lost its luster.

                    Now he uses more sophisticated techniques, but he's still a paid troll. It's too bad that so many people let him and others lead them down that troll path. I think that many people are finally figuring it out!
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            • Author by 000l (January 19, 2010 4:30 pm ET)
                 
              At least you're admitting that liberals tell the truth!
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        • Author by HeeNow (January 18, 2010 4:08 pm ET)
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          But she did say her "colleague Jerry Brown".

          That's either brilliant or stupid.

          Brilliant if she wants to equate Scott Brown with California's Jerry Brown.

          Stupid if she wants to equate herself with California's Jerry Brown.

          And MSNBC just ran a full article on the race without ever mentioning Scott Brown's first name except in a photo caption.

          Where are you Media Matters?

          Is it only me out here? Do I have to take up all of the slack?
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        • Author by grandpoobah (January 18, 2010 4:12 pm ET)
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          RightON is not dishonest. MediaMatters spins things into dishonesty.
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          • Author by Johaely (January 19, 2010 7:08 pm ET)
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            One word. How? Whenever anybody complains about MM they say they distort everything, but never say how or show any proof.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 12:54 pm ET)
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        I see. So you know what she wa really saying even though you have no idea what she actually said?

        Amazing. So if the media doesn't play along with the narritive you like, and just sticks to reporting the facts, that's evience of liberal bias?

        Why don't you LOOK AT HER ACTUAL COMMENTS?! Even a tea-bagger like you would have to admit that she wasn't talking about raising people's income taxes, property taxes or sales taxes. (Or ANY taxes at all!)

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        Darn liberally biased facts!
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        • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 12:58 pm ET)
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          I did look at her actual comments, not what some paid damage control spokesman says afterwards.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 1:20 pm ET)
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            "We need to get people back to work. We need to get taxes up, and we'll start to chip away at that deficit, because individuals and the country, my colleague in California Jerry Brown said, we've all been spending too much money we don't have on stuff we don't need. How do we get you back to work, and how do we bring that deficit down? Ultimately by being more careful on how we're spending our money as a country and as individuals. We can do it. We've done it before."

            If you can't see that she's talking about tax REVENUE, as gnerated by jobs, then you just don't want to. You want to show me where in therew she says she wants to RAISE TAXES? Tax revenue falls in a recession, dude. That how it goes. It's clear to ME what she means. I guess you don't WANT people to have jobs?

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            Try again.
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            • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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              Because common sense tells me that when someone is talking about getting people back to work and creating jobs, the first instinct of a politician is for the good of the person looking for a job. People want to hear politicians talk of creating jobs not first and foremost so the government has more revenue, but because either they may be unemployed or their neighbor, etc.

              Politicians don't talk of the advantage of more jobs as a government windfall for money, they just don't. They talk about it in the context of their constituent's livelihood.

              So, when a politician says we need to get taxes up, it's not about jobs.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 1:30 pm ET)
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                "We need to get people back to work."

                JOBS.

                As for the rest of it, it's about DEFICIT REDUCTION, which in the long run will help keep job secure. How? Well, it goes back to that "windfall for moeny" you're talking about: With a balanced budget and even a little surplus, the gov't can play a role in helping to cushion the disruption in peoples' lives that the regular, periodic failure of the free market causes (that would be RECESSIONS) without going into debt, whick the required MORE taxes to pay, etc..., etc...

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                Only those with a disfunctionally anti-gov't agenda would disagree with that.
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              • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 18, 2010 4:03 pm ET)
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                So, when a politician says we need to get taxes up, it's not about jobs.


                Yeah, but your "common sense" led you to posit that warnings on cigarette labels aren't effective.

                Anyhow, do you know what she was addressing with these remarks? According to fact-check, it was a reply to a question regarding the deficit.

                Coakley, in a debate with other Democratic primary candidates at Suffolk University Law School on Nov. 30, did speak those words in a much lengthier response to a student’s question about the deficit.


                Just a little more context for you champ.
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                • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 4:08 pm ET)
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                  Just because you absolutely cannot accept losing an argument with me here doesn't mean you have to drag them around in your red wagon, from one thread to another, and try to get me to revisit them. You look like a whiny child. Let it go.

                  You added nothing new to this topic, so my comments on this topic stand.
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                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 18, 2010 4:18 pm ET)
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                    Really snowy-Copenhagen-christmas guy, I lost? I just like dragging it around for those few who seem to think you may have a shred of credibility left.

                    The context of her statement would include the question she was asked, would it not? Therefore, your contention that she was talking about raising taxes in context of the question is silly.
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                    • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 4:33 pm ET)
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                      What, you don't think a liberal politician thinks about raising taxes when asked a question about the deficit? It's most likely the first thing that pops in their head.

                      Sorry, your factcheck link did nothing to change my mind.

                      But you keep dredging up old arguments if it makes you feel good. Perhaps in another month or so you will drag this one around too, and look just as foolish.
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                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 18, 2010 4:48 pm ET)
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                        Ahh, reverting to mind-reader again?

                        So to re-cap, you claim the ability to read minds and when given factual information regarding the context of a statement you are unable to incorporate it into your thought process.

                        Yup, I could see dragging this tidbit out down the road in order to once again prove to the uninitiated what you are all about.
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                        • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 4:53 pm ET)
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                          Mind reader? Now that is hysterical. I don't need to be a mind reader to know how liberals covet taxes.

                          You never quite get there do you? Always just shy of effectively arguing with me, so you keep bringing old arguments back into play to keep on trying.

                          The ole' red wagons wheels are falling off.
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                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 18, 2010 5:06 pm ET)
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                            Then why not address the fact that Coakly was anwering a question about the deficit? And in so doing, she talks of the fact that getting people back to work will "...get taxes up." and perhaps go towards reducing or eliminating the deficit?

                            No, you would rather read her mind and state you know what she meant and what she is thinking.

                            And the rest of your tripe just makes me sad again. The fact that you manage to get through life, when you clearly don't understand much of what's happening around you, can't be easy
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                            • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 5:16 pm ET)
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                              "Then why not address the fact that Coakly was anwering a question about the deficit?"

                              I did.

                              In case you missed it > "What, you don't think a liberal politician thinks about raising taxes when asked a question about the deficit? It's most likely the first thing that pops in their head"
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                              • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 18, 2010 5:19 pm ET)
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                                Sorry - I should have been clearer.

                                Care to address the context WITHOUT resporting to mind reading.

                                Don't worry, I understand that you can't.
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                                • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 18, 2010 5:22 pm ET)
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                                  Care to address the context WITHOUT resporting to mind reading.


                                  Umm.. should be

                                  Care to address the context WITHOUT resorting to mind reading?
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                                • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 5:24 pm ET)
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                                  No mind reading necessary. You believe her spokespeople that she was talking about jobs as a way to get taxes up. I believe she was talking about taxes, and this is more evidence > A gimmick?
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                                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 18, 2010 5:38 pm ET)
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                                    No silly - I look at what she was asked and her entire answer. The fact that her campaign felt the need to restate her position is just a result of the lying right wing and their MSM megaphone.

                                    As for the silly no tax pledge, I think there are many bright people in the field of economics that lay some partial blame for California's current budgetary problems on just such nonsense (prop 13 if I remember). Why would anyone want to perpetuate that?
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                                    • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 5:53 pm ET)
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                                      Of course no new taxes is silly to a liberal, no need to explain that. I linked to that to give perspective and context as to where Coakley's mindset is. Raising taxes is always on the table for liberals, so when asked how to reduce the deficit, it's easy for a liberals to say we need to get taxes up. Why run from it, embrace it.
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                                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 18, 2010 5:59 pm ET)
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                                        I'll type slowly for the dimwitted...

                                        Increasing revenue from having more people at work is not the same as raising taxes in the sense of increasing the rate at which one pays taxes. And as for a no new tax pledge, that just paints one into a corner when you can't really know what will happen tomorrow (except you of course Carnac).
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                                        • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 6:12 pm ET)
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                                          Why not? If something happens that causes them to back on their no new tax pledge, then fine. Come to us like adults and lay it out honestly. But I know, liberals prefer to be pandered to and treated like a child by politicians.
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                                      • Author by raddave43 (January 18, 2010 8:55 pm ET)
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                                        and trying to take tax increases off the table is what neocons love to do, even if it makes sense to raise taxes.
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                                  • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 6:14 pm ET)
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                                    That's funny.

                                    I know that you don't see it that way but; if Coakley had been the one to offer up that "No Tax" pledge, I would have called her for the "gimmick".

                                    This isn't the first time some politician has offered that up during a campaign. I don't suppose you remember that "Read My Lips" pledge, do you?

                                    How can any politician honestly sign something like that when they have no idea what the future may hold?
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                                    • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 6:23 pm ET)
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                                      Because adults know that when they sign that it is with the information they have at that moment, and of course things could change. If they do and tax hikes are necessary, then fine, explain it to us like adults.

                                      Besides, that we don't know what is going to happen is just an excuse for liberals who can't imagine governing under such constraints.
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                                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 18, 2010 6:47 pm ET)
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                                        Because adults know that when they sign that it is with the information they have at that moment, and of course things could change. If they do and tax hikes are necessary, then fine, explain it to us like adults.


                                        Priceless! So what's the point of such a pledge if, when circumstances shift, it is no longer valid. Which would make sucj a pledge, nothing but a GIMMICK!
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                                        • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 6:52 pm ET)
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                                          Because we know things happen, however I expect truthfulness, candor and honesty. I they sign a pledge now they are committed not to raise taxes, period. Nothing is in stone, any idiot knows that which surprises me that it escaped you.

                                          But then you are used to being pandered to and placated being a liberal and all. So all of this is foreign to you. You'd rather get fed BS from a liberal politician than the truth. I get that.
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                                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 18, 2010 6:59 pm ET)
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                                            Because we know things happen, however I expect truthfulness, candor and honesty. I they sign a pledge now they are committed not to raise taxes, period. Nothing is in stone, any idiot knows that which surprises me that it escaped you.


                                            Given your stated position that liberals love taxes and live to impose them/raise them whenever they are in power, why would you beleive any Democrat that signed such a pledge? You couldn't. So how would such a pledge not be a gimmick? You really are a tool. I bet you think you have "won" something again, too.
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                                          • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 7:11 pm ET)
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                                            Because we know things happen, however I expect truthfulness, candor and honesty. I they sign a pledge now they are committed not to raise taxes, period. Nothing is in stone, any idiot knows that which surprises me that it escaped you.

                                            Sorry but; that doesn't make sense.
                                            If they sign the pledge they are commited to not raise taxes but; nothing is in stone, so it is OK to raise taxes? You lost me there.

                                            Personaly, I thought it was a gimmick because Brown knows that you can't tell the future so, if he lost, then they could use it against Coakley at some future date. I am pretty sure I have seen both side use that gambit before.
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                                  • Author by ABBA|Proudly teaBAGGING Liberals (January 19, 2010 11:38 am ET)
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                                    It's OBVIOUS she was talking about TAXES, that's what she SAID... If she meant REVENUES she would have said REVENUES, as in increased job creation. NOW are you loons saying she too stupid to know the difference between taxes and revenues? YUP seems so... just another reason to throw her under the bus... lol
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                                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 19, 2010 11:46 am ET)
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                                      And where do government revenues come from? Oh I imagine a good portion come from taxes. Look, are you so foolish as to not take into account the fact she was asked what she was going to do about the deficit when she gave her answer?

                                      Nevermind - I know the answer.
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                              • Author by raddave43 (January 18, 2010 8:51 pm ET)
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                                raising revenue is a great way to reduce a deficit.
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                      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (January 18, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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                        "Sorry, your factcheck link did nothing to change my mind."

                        "Just because you absolutely cannot accept losing an argument with me here... "

                        So if your mind isn't changed it means you win the argument? I don't think so. Your arguments about the meaning of Coakley's remark are unconvincing.
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            • Author by nerzog (January 18, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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              When viewed through the Troglodyte Filter, that statement means "raising taxes".

              Any normal person will see it as raising revenues through increased employment. More people working means more tax revenue means lower deficits. It's not rocket science, unless you're willfully distorting the truth.
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              • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 1:33 pm ET)
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                You can believe it if you want, I prefer common sense over political handlers and spokespeople.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 1:39 pm ET)
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                  And as usual there is very little evidence to support your assertion.

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        • Author by ABBA|Proudly teaBAGGING Liberals (January 18, 2010 1:07 pm ET)
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          hey niceguyeddie | well I'd prefer to be the tea-bagger than the tea-bagged... where oh where did you learn to focus and read tea-bagged... she's a complete moron from the word go... ask obama what he thinks as he throws her under the bus... you'll all follow the obama moonbat talking points come Wednesday.... under the bus...
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          • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 1:10 pm ET)
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            A liberal Democrat running for office in Massachusetts should be wiping the floor with any Republican, she is an awful candidate. A machine tool.
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            • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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              If that is the case then how do you feel about the fact that a Dem was elected in NY23?

              Does that mean the conservative candidatew was a "machine tool"?
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              • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 1:32 pm ET)
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                The con candidate in NY23 was awful, deserved to lose.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 1:35 pm ET)
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                  Keep thinking like that and by all means PLEASE keep voting like that. There will be a lot of "awful" "con candidates" that will get what they deserve.

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              • Author by MaineiacMan (January 18, 2010 2:01 pm ET)
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                Hell yeah! The Republican candidate in that race was a tool. She saw she was going to lose to a third party independant and she backed the Democrat.
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                • Author by peace4all (January 18, 2010 2:09 pm ET)
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                  uhm, he was not exactly an independent candidate. he was a teabagged candidate. the mainstream republican had no choice but to back the democrat over the teabagged one because she actually cared about what happens in our country
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                  • Author by MaineiacMan (January 19, 2010 7:54 am ET)
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                    That is why there is a tea party. People are waking up. They care about responsibility, freedom and the constitution. They dont want the government bailing out and taking over every aspect of thier life. That isnt what America is about.
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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 1:33 pm ET)
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              Of course... you're leaving out the role the RW media (and that would be all of the media) is playing in all this.

              But then... doing so serves your purpose and agenda every bit as well as the myth of liberal media bias does, so why am I not surprised?

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              Again - all it proves is how effective a "machine tool" the RW media-operation is.
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              • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 1:38 pm ET)
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                Of course, it's always somebody elses fault for a liberal.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 1:44 pm ET)
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                  Well who's fault is it that her wrods are being distorted?

                  You people are amazing. You lie, cheat, steal, defraud, distort (or you support those who do) and then you have the nerve to crticize US when we point it out.

                  Amazing. I stand in awe of your capacity for self-deception.

                  But to answer your question, YES, "it" (whatever "it" is) IS very often someone else's fault. That the way it works when you're RIGHT.

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                  Whatever. Cling to that "liberal media bias" myth. Whatever works for you.
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                  • Author by pongotwistleton (January 18, 2010 1:49 pm ET)
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                    You people are amazing. You lie, cheat, steal, defraud, distort (or you support those who do) and then you have the nerve to crticize US when we point it out.

                    Are you talking about progressive leader, and msnbc hack, Ed Schultz?

                    http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/16/ed-schultz-id-cheat-keep-brown-winning/
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                    • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 1:54 pm ET)
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                      Are you talking about progressive leader, and msnbc hack, Ed Schultz?

                      Somehow I think Ed is supposed to be the liberal counterpoint to people like Rush.

                      He may not be nearly as crazy as Rush but; he can provide some humour when pointing out that some in the right live in a fantasy land.

                      My favorite is still Jon Stewart.
                      He is a comedian, who has more insight into national politics than the pundits people listen to everyday.

                      Kind of sad, isn't it.
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                    • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 2:07 pm ET)
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                      OK... first of all... you really expect me to take the Wash Times seriously?

                      Really?

                      Second... are you seriously comapring a single remark made by Ed Shultz (soemone I don't happen to watch or listen to BTW) to EVERYTHING, the THOUSANDS of items, that MMFA has posted over the past 5+ years?

                      Really?

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                      And I've been to con media sites as well. All they do is complain about "bias" without demonstrating how any of the information presented is actually FALSE.
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                  • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 1:52 pm ET)
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                    I have no idea who the "you people" are in your pity party, but if it helps you heal your wounds from your whining to lump everyone together who doesn't buy politicians handler's baloney hook line and sinker, then go ahead.
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                    • Author by pongotwistleton (January 18, 2010 1:55 pm ET)
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                      And as noted, the most egregious liar and hypocrite in this race is Coakley. She's utterly despicable, but don't expect the lemmings at mmfa to look askance at her lies . . .

                      http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/01/does-coakley-oppose-care-for-rape.html
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                      • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 2:10 pm ET)
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                        That article is a bunch os shullbit, as I've posted above.

                        Try http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/bay-state-battle/ to see who the REAL liar is.

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                        Whatever. Facts do tend to have a liberal bias.
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                        • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 3:45 pm ET)
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                          If rightoff and pongo were really open minded they would be willing to debate the issue that was brought up.

                          rightoff talks like the political spin that the Dems put on Coakley's remarks (right or wrong) are somehow different than the spin that the GOP and the right are putting on them. He also doesn't seem to have an issue with accepting the GOP spin and even spins it himself, when he says that he read/listened to the full statement in context and still agrees with what the GOP said.
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                          • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 3:51 pm ET)
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                            Debate what issue? I couldn't care less what the GOP puts out. Why some of you keep thinking I am in their tank is incredible. If you can tell me the last time I defended any GOP-er, please let me know. This is about what Coakley said, I have given my reasons here, if you don't agree then fine.

                            You are the ones in invested in party loyalty, maybe that is why so many of you project that crap on to me. Because you hate it in yourselves.
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                            • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 4:21 pm ET)
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                              If that is the case why are you pushing the GOP talking point. If you aren't in the tank for them then you are doing a good job of acting like a right wing troll.

                              Boston Herald

                              Here's the link to the debate. Listen to it and tell me that what she said, in context, isn't different than what is being reported.

                              How about posting a link to a right wing site where you are bashing them over their spin?
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                              • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 4:38 pm ET)
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                                I love it when I get the lecture around here of repeating talking points or spinning from the GOP side. When most of you wouldn't veer from the Democratic party if your life depended on it, and don't dare question anything from any of them.

                                Heal thyself or debate the topic, instead of calling an argument you can't refute "talking points". It is so tired.
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                                • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 4:56 pm ET)
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                                  So, instead of answering the question you revert to: I know you are but; what am I?

                                  BTW I'm not a Dem, I'm about as independant as you can get since I vote the person, not the party.


                                  I will, and have, call anyone on their hypocrisy, regardless of side.
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                • Author by DellDolly (January 18, 2010 1:54 pm ET)
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                  My local paper had someone complaining about the fact that Politifact has many more "pants on fire" lies from people on the right versus people on the left, and claimed that the disparity shows that Politifact is biased towards liberals.

                  Of course that's not true. What is actually true is that people on the right lie more often, and lie with more gusto and without much fear of retribution from their supporters!

                  When it's someone else's fault, it shouldn't matter to a fair-minded person what side of the aisle the wrongdoer is on.
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                  • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 2:03 pm ET)
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                    Who cares. This is not about who lies more, the right or the left. This is about a liberal politician who wants taxes up and then tries to say it was about jobs. As I said, when people hear politicians talk of more jobs, they don't say oh goodie the government will have more money now. They just don't. When they hear of more jobs, they think of people going back to work so they have income, not the government.
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                    • Author by peace4all (January 18, 2010 2:16 pm ET)
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                      "This is about a liberal politician who wants taxes up and then tries to say it was about jobs. "

                      i think this is really about our countries education system. from your posts we are obviously letting people graduate who have no idea how to comprehend the English language. you really need to go back and look at what she actually said. you will see she did not say what you want her to have said.
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                    • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 2:24 pm ET)
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                      "This is not about who lies more, the right or the left."

                      Of course not! I mean, we all KNOW who THAT is, and it's a painful narritive that doesn't really WORK for you, isn't it?

                      "It's not about who's lying" becuase you're going to LIE, by distorting her words.

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                      [url=http://eddiecabot blogspot.com]No one in the RW media could have said it any better.[/url]
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                      • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 2:32 pm ET)
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                        What's painful is your endless bellyaching us vs. you mentality you're stuck in. Unlike you, I have no partisan dog in any fight because I am not invested in either. I know you can't wrap your little mind around the fact that some us don't choose sides and then tie ourselves by our umbilical cord to their every move, but it happens.

                        So let the right lie, or the left lie. I prefer to respect those based on their beliefs and character, not the party.
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                        • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 3:54 pm ET)
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                          So let the right lie, or the left lie. I prefer to respect those based on their beliefs and character, not the party.

                          Really, just from the posts of yours that I've read I would say you spend most of your time defending the right or bashing the left. That really doesn't sound like you're very unbiased to me.
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                          • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 3:58 pm ET)
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                            I don't defend the right or the left. I comment on the topics put up here. I am a conservative, not a Republican. If you're so sensitive to criticism, perhaps you should skip my posts. I never said I wasn't biased, I said I am not partisan or loyal to any party. I may be biased against liberals but that is because I do not agree with the philosophy, for the most part. So my comments are based on that.
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                        • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 4:15 pm ET)
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                          So let the right lie, or the left lie. I prefer to respect those based on their beliefs and character, not the party.

                          You keep trying to make MY position into "us" versus "them" but that's hardly the case. (I never voted for Clinton, didn't vote for Bush, and under reasonably possible circustances (that didn't work out that way) absolutely COULD HAVE voted for McCain. Namely: McCain/someone else vs. Clinton/someone else.)

                          You say: I prefer to respect those based on their beliefs and character.

                          Well... so do I. And the fact is that the RIght LIES, outrights LIES, more. This is what I've seen anyway, and only conservtaive leaning media come close to offering evidence otherwise.

                          This not only speaks to CHARECTER, but it also undermines their IDEAS. If an idea can't be supported with FACTS and OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, or be defended in a PRINCIPLED way, the HOW THE HELL CAN YOU CALL IT A GOOD IDEA!?

                          It was the LACK of charecter and the LACK of ideas on the part of teh Right that caused me to vote Democratic in past few elecetion cycles. (Since 2000, actually.) If I'm shown any well-reasoned, objective evidence that the Right has either Charecter, Principles or Good Ideas, the I'll start voting Republican... again.

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                          It is NOT a desire to be a Democrat that causes me to judge the right so harshly. It is the fact that their words, deeds, policies and philosophy are almost completely (~80%) discongruous with my own, and with my idea of what America stands for and should aspire to.
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                        • Author by HeeNow (January 18, 2010 6:36 pm ET)
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                          I think what you really mean to say is that you are not a MediaMatters dittohead, and that you don't agree with all of the subjects MM either raises or ignores.

                          That is a good position to be in. A lemming is not a good position to be in, although that's what we encounter here.

                          You try to foster discourse. This is not a good site for that, although the gallant try is noble.

                          Keep up the good work, but consider the combatant. It's hard to win against people whose minds aren't very big, but are decidedly made up.

                          It can be ingratiating, but someone's got to do it.

                          Why have a site if all you attract are dittoheads?
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                    • Author by DellDolly (January 18, 2010 6:23 pm ET)
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                      Actually, liar, it's about replying to YOU yourself saying

                      "Of course, it's always somebody elses fault for a liberal."

                      And so it IS 100% relevant to YOUR false charge that it's the liberals who like to falsely throw blame on other people!

                      It WAS, for YOU, about 'who blames more'.

                      Thanks for showing that you can't even keep the context of YOUR OWN remarks in mind when replying. Keep destroying your reputation!
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                      • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 6:32 pm ET)
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                        DollySue, Since you flat out lied about what bintx said on this very website recently (if you like it linked, I can do that), and never apologized - you have no reputation except as a lying dishonest troll. Jeter2 was right, you are on way out.
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                        • Author by DellDolly (January 19, 2010 12:38 am ET)
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                          Again you lie. I did NOT lie about what bintx said.

                          You misunderstood, and I've explained that on several different threads, but you keep bringing it up.

                          You're wrong, you were wrong with your allegations on that previous thread, and you have nothing here either.

                          The dishonest lying troll would be you, and I understand that having your lying behavior pointed out is painful for you - too bad, so sad.

                          bintx didn't JUST say that it was MERELY one thing. She mentioned other stuff too.

                          You somehow thought you won the argument by thinking that I was a dunce, and didn't understand that 'just' and 'simply' and 'merely' were synonyms. Of course anyone who reads my posts understands that I have a great vocabulary and wouldn't be confused by that. It was YOUR failure and your attempt to instigate something that was on display there. Here are the links to the relevant threads. I have them saved, so every time you make this false allegation, I will document how it's been proven wrong, yet you continue to make it - we're up to 3 times now for you to run with this debunked accusation!

                          http://clips.mediamatters.org/research/201001130002

                          http://mediamatters.org/research/201001110062#689734

                          And what's this "if you'd like it linked" baloney? As I said on the second thread you tried this nonsense on, you should have provided the link THEN too.

                          See, I'm not afraid to provide the links to the exchanges, because I will come out smelling like a rose, and you'll come out smelling like the skunk you are, RightON.
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                          • Author by ABBA|Proudly teaBAGGING Liberals (January 19, 2010 11:45 am ET)
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                            hey come on dolly doesn't lie "It's" just stupid....
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              • Author by grandpoobah (January 18, 2010 4:17 pm ET)
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                Liberal media bias is not a myth. Stop lying already.
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                • Author by Johaely (January 19, 2010 7:41 pm ET)
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                  It is a myth. "Conservatives" (out of respect for Bintx(?))just use it as some sort of trump card whenever things don't go their way. Clinton numbers are high? Liberal media. Bush does an inadecuate job with Katrina? The liberal media just blame him and not the "Demorat" gov. of LA. Whenever something goes wrong for conservatives its always liberals fault.
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            • Author by open_mind (January 18, 2010 2:09 pm ET)
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              I agree with you that Coakley is awful. Brown has been on offense the whole time. He's an idiot, but he'll probably win.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 18, 2010 1:17 pm ET)
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            OK, in order, as seperated by the "...'s"

            1) nice to know, but a bit TMI, don't you think?
            2) I find a cup of tea HELPS me focus, but whatever...
            3) This... from you. Wow. I guess we should all run and hide now.
            4) I don't really care what Obama thinks of her, becuase unlike consevatioves I like to think for myself, but I'll be disappointed in the man if he really does "throw her under the bus." More likely, in the unlikely event that any concilation be needed/made, it will be the RW media's distortion of his words that will make it seem like he's throwing her under the bus.
            5) I don't deal in talking points. I THINK, remember? You ought to try it some time. It might hurt a bit at first, if you're out of practice, but it feels good after you do it a few times. (Just like something else you probably don't get enough of.) "Talking points" is a conservative tactic. It works because we have a LOT of "C-students" in this country who vote Republican, and are easily fooled.
            6) We'll see.

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            You'll have to do better than that with me, little boy.
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      • Author by progressivevoicedaily (January 18, 2010 3:19 pm ET)
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        Your pre-disposed assumptions make it impossible to have a rational debate about what the true context was, and what Martha Coakley's true intentions are. Your a white wing hack, I bet your tuned in to the EIB network as we speak aren't you?)
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      • Author by markbfoot199 (January 18, 2010 3:26 pm ET)
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        I would like to ask her how does she know there are no more Al Qaida in Afghanistan? They even say here in this protection piece they are Diminished, which means still there.
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        • Author by open_mind (January 18, 2010 5:06 pm ET)
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          According to what I have linked to in previous posts, intelligence analysts put the number at "fewer than 100". Between Al Qaeda and the Taliban, the latter is much more of a factor currently. The numbers are not even close.
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        • Author by DellDolly (January 18, 2010 6:27 pm ET)
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          She exhibited some hyperbole, as we have explained MULTIPLE times on a variety of threads on this site!

          However, the substance of what she said is true - Generals and other advisors have said in Congressional testimony and elsewhere that Al Qaeda in Afghanistan doesn't have operational capabilities there any more.
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          • Author by ABBA|Proudly teaBAGGING Liberals (January 19, 2010 11:46 am ET)
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            Right, so who is wrong Coakley or your "man" obama? hmmm tough choice huh?... you will all be throwing her under the bus tomorrow....
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            • Author by DellDolly (January 19, 2010 3:07 pm ET)
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              Neither is wrong.

              And the winner of the election has nothing to do with whether or not her comments were accurate.

              But way to be off topic once again, fool.
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    • Author by deeeman (January 18, 2010 12:49 pm ET)
         
      Yeah, I agree.
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    • Author by MaineiacMan (January 18, 2010 1:57 pm ET)
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      Hey! Where is the MMfA defense of the stupid comment Coakley made about former Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling (spelled Shilling by MMfA) being a Yankee's fan. Come on, you must be able to twist comment that like everything else.

      Where was she on the campaign trail while Brown was shaking hands and having town hall meetings? Why would she only agree to one debate? What was she doing at a 'fat cat' fundraiser in DC last week? Why was she making fun of Scott Brown who was shaking hands at the NHL hockey game at Fenway Park on Jan 1st? Answer - because she thought she had the race won and wouldnt have to battle for it. Out of touch? Nah! She's not out of touch.

      Where is MMfA twisted explanation of Patrick Kennedy continually calling her "Marsha Coakley" at Pres Obama's pep rally on Sunday. Out of touch? Nah!
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      • Author by progressivevoicedaily (January 18, 2010 3:22 pm ET)
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        I doubt anyone cares what she said about Curt Schilling. He campaigned up and down the state for Bush. Has anyone heard some of the vile crap that comes out of this guys mouth everytime he's interviewed? Just ask Dan Patrick, nobody cares what curt schilling thinks.
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        • Author by MaineiacMan (January 18, 2010 3:36 pm ET)
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          Not my point. No kidding, Schilling's opinion shouldnt matter.
          However, lots of voters in MASS care because it makes her look OUT OF TOUCH with who they are.

          Another example of "out of touch" regarding this campaign....Chris Van Hollen, the chief of the "Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee" actually said the following......“They’ve got a very tough argument to make, if you want to nationalize the election, you also bring in Bush and Cheney. If they do that, they open the door to the question: Why would you give the keys to the guys that drove us into the economic ditch and then refused to help get out of that ditch?”

          Yeah you caught that right, in a race for "Ted Kennedy's seat"....who actually did exactly that...drove the car into a ditch (ok, ok into the water) then refused to help (save Mary Jo's life).


          Now come on, using that analogy....in this race....THAT IS OUT OF TOUCH!
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          • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 4:48 pm ET)
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            Yeah you caught that right, in a race for "Ted Kennedy's seat"....who actually did exactly that...drove the car into a ditch (ok, ok into the water) then refused to help (save Mary Jo's life)


            Somehow, I think that is going a little over the edge.
            I think you are OUT OF TOUCH.
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          • Author by eweston8542983 (January 18, 2010 5:01 pm ET)
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            You no doubt have a quote of him refusing to help, or something which makes you believe so.
            Pat Robertson can probably give you the transcript of their spirits meeting after his death which would warm the cockles of your heart.
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            • Author by MaineiacMan (January 18, 2010 5:35 pm ET)
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              Robinson doesnt speak for me. If you want to agree on something wth me, I think we found it....he's a bigotted nut.

              As for Teddy refusing to help...he didnt, he walked away.
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              • Author by bilbo_dies (January 18, 2010 6:31 pm ET)
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                I am pretty sure it doesn't matter to you but; if I remember the police transcripts correctly, Teddy said that he did try diving for he but; couldn't find the car. Again, that is between him and his maker, if it isn't the truth.

                I'm sure that anyone who may know anyone related to Mary Jo Kopechne will really appreciate you digging this up.
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                • Author by MaineiacMan (January 19, 2010 8:04 am ET)
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                  Diving! LOL....the car was in four feet of water. I think he could see the car! Talk about out of touch.
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                  • Author by Johaely (January 19, 2010 7:46 pm ET)
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                    And you were there to know. And also why did you even bring up Ted Kennedy's accident. "Conservatives" apparently only care about Mary Jo because that's the only thing they can get about Ted Kennedy, even though he made it up the rest of his life by legislating for those he belived in and this was during the seventies.
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                    • Author by MaineiacMan (January 20, 2010 8:34 am ET)
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                      Brought it up as an example of how OUT OF TOUCH democrats and democratic pundits have become. I couldnt believe that the democratic pundit used that analogy in the campaign.
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                      • Author by Johaely (January 20, 2010 6:29 pm ET)
                           
                        That's still a non-sequiter, an extremely obnoxious one by the way. As "evil" as Ted Kennedy had been, he's dead and bringing that up serves no purpose in your argument. You might as well could have invoked Hitler to the same effect.
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 18, 2010 6:29 pm ET)
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        MMFA doesn't 'defend' Democrats. They attack conservative media misinformation. Look at their mission statement - it's not that difficult to find.

        MMFA is a non-partisan site which doesn't advocate or support any candidate or political party.

        Get a clue, loser.
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        • Author by southerngal (January 18, 2010 6:34 pm ET)
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          "MMFA is a non-partisan site"

          LOL!!!! Best whopper of the day, courtesy of Sue herself. Congratulations, another topper. Just when I think you've outdone yourself, you out do yourself.

          You have lost it my dear, it's only a matter of time before you implode right here before us.

          I can't stop laughing.
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          • Author by OOzinEvil (January 18, 2010 6:55 pm ET)
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            MMFA doesn't 'defend' Democrats
            LOL, And I thought Dells Jan 12th statement
            This website doesn't advocate for any propositions, laws, candidates or political parties.

            would be the quote of the year.
            Stay tuned.
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            • Author by DellDolly (January 19, 2010 12:55 am ET)
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              Good job in showing that you're a member of a paid troll group who saves 'incendiary' quotes from other posters you think you can save for use later on. Real people who aren't paid don't typically do that kind of stuff, but when they do, they are actual, factual accusations, not lame stuff like this.

              MMFA isn't a partisan group for the support of Democrats. They don't advocate for any laws, candidates or political parties. They're a 501c group which follows the regulations for such non-profit groups.

              So it's not really the 'gotcha' moment you hoped for. But thanks for identifying yourself as a member of that group that is paid to derail threads, make personal attacks on posters who threaten your ability to do so, and whose sole job here is to be disruptive! Thanks - really, I mean it! It's always good for the good guys to have people self-identify themselves as a disreputable poster!
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              • Author by MaineiacMan (January 19, 2010 8:11 am ET)
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                Is this the latest talking point from libs? That the other side is 'paid'? Sorry. Not true. It isnt 'astroturf'. It is real and it is grass roots. The tea parties this past summer...not organized by Republicans, organized by p.o.'ed citizens who by the way are generally more angry at spineless republicans than they are with the democrats. Why? Because we expect more from them than we expect from Democrats.
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                • Author by DellDolly (January 19, 2010 3:19 pm ET)
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                  Oh, jeez, you want us to swallow that the tea party was grass roots when we've seen the evidence that it was paid people who started, organized it, and funded it?

                  Man, you're a bozo from stem to stern, aren't you?
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                  • Author by MaineiacMan (January 19, 2010 7:10 pm ET)
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                    Call me what you want. Call Scott Brown 'Senator' tomorrow morning. The Tea Party movement will suppot candidates that uphold the constitution instead of work around it, support smaller government, lower taxes, greater personal freedoms and responsibilities. It doesnt matter if they have a D or an R after their name....although there arent alot of D's that stand for the above....and not a majority of R's either to be honest with you.
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                    • Author by whatswrongw.themiddle? (January 20, 2010 12:08 pm ET)
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                      Couldnt agree more
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                    • Author by DellDolly (January 20, 2010 1:20 pm ET)
                         
                      Whether or not Scott Brown won the election has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with whether or not the tea party was a grassroots group. It WAS NOT!

                      You got called a bozo because you're acting like one. It's based upon your behavior, which is horrific and idiotic!
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                      • Author by MaineiacMan (January 20, 2010 3:37 pm ET)
                           
                        Sorry Doll, The Tea Parties ARE as grassroots as it gets and they are VERY wary of Republican RINO's trying to co-op the movement. This movement is not about parties it is about the principals that I listed above. You claim it isnt 'grassroots'....go ahead show me where they get thier marching orders and funds.

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              • Author by OOzinEvil (January 20, 2010 10:33 pm ET)
                   
                DellDolly, I can assure you I'm not a paid troll. I post here so infrequently that finding a conversation thread in my comments section takes only a moment.
                The quote I posted was from a conversation we had, not one from "other posters".
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          • Author by jeter2 (January 18, 2010 9:52 pm ET)
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            OMG....did Good Golly Miss Dolly aka Sue really say that???

            I'm so happy I decided to read this thread before shutting off the computer & heading to bed...I wouldn't have wanted to miss this!!

            MMFA is a non-partisan site? Sue my dear, you are insane. Better go read their mission statement again, though since you've probably wallpapered your entire house with it I'd figure you'd know it by heart.

            Thanks for the laugh ;-)
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            • Author by DellDolly (January 19, 2010 12:50 am ET)
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              Their mission statement? I'd be happy to quote it here if you'd like. The relevant part? That they're a 501c group - that means they can't be partisan for any political party! And they aren't.

              So, you lose, once again. You really shouldn't hitch your wagon to RightON. He's imploding as we watch.
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              • Author by jeter2 (January 19, 2010 7:35 am ET)
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                Good Golly Miss Molly, you can't be this obtuse.

                MMFA is very much a partisan website. The relevant part of their statement being they are a Progressive [Liberal] site that monitors Conservative mis-information. Right there should be your first clue my dear lady that they are not non-partisan. If they were a media watchdog that monitored all media, then you'd have an argument.

                Also, they feature Progressive [Liberal] Blogs & Columnists. That is partisan. Should they someday offer Conservative Blogs & Columnists, then you'd have an argument.

                My God ask any other Progressive [Liberal] poster here & they will readily admit this site is partisan. In fact when Cons have complained about this site only going after Conservative mis-information & Conservative media & ignoring Progressive [Liberal] misdeeds & mis-information, they are told that THIS is a Progressive [Liberal] site. Another words, PARTISAN. If they get it, why are you so clueless? Or is it just that stubborn arrogant streak of yours that can't admit when you are wrong.

                And BTW dear Dolly, just because you claim to "win" an argument doesn't make it so, other than in your mind.

                And if anyone is imploding, it's you, not RightOn.
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                • Author by southerngal (January 19, 2010 11:05 am ET)
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                  Nail on the head Jeter2. Miss DollySue is melting down, she is attacking her own, outright lying about her own past words and now claiming that MMfA is non partisan. She just hauled that last one out to suck up, again. She feels if she does that they won't yank her again for her potty mouth.

                  She should stick to cleaning the execs restrooms, at least she gets a pat on the head there.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (January 19, 2010 3:23 pm ET)
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                    Still lying, I see, RightON.

                    You're the one who lied about what I said about what bintx had said.

                    I've posted LINKS to those remarks, and how I've debunked that accusation you've made 4 times in the last week. Yet you keep repeating it.

                    That's because your personal animus is so pervasive, so controlling, you just can't refrain from repeating the lie!

                    Too bad, so sad. You're digging your own grave, and you have no ability to stop.

                    But keep imploding - it's really fun to watch!!!
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                • Author by DellDolly (January 19, 2010 3:21 pm ET)
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                  No, they are not politically partisan.

                  They don't support any political party. No legislation. No candidates.

                  This is not rocket science.

                  Just because your side claims something doesn't make it true. My adherence to facts does support my arguments at every turn.
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          • Author by DellDolly (January 19, 2010 12:47 am ET)
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            MMFA is a non-partisan site. They don't campaign or push any political agenda. I think you need to look up what partisan means.

            They can't lobby for any political party, any legislation or any politician. This is not rocket science, yet you can't understand it? What a lazy brain you have. And it's you who is imploding - who can't stop the personal attacks, who can't stand the way I've exposed your disreputable behavior. It really tees you off. Too bad, so sad.

            Rules from the IRS

            Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity.

            ....voter education or registration activities with evidence of bias that (a) would favor one candidate over another; (b) oppose a candidate in some manner; or (c) have the effect of favoring a candidate or group of candidates, will constitute prohibited participation or intervention.


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            • Author by ABBA|Proudly teaBAGGING Liberals (January 19, 2010 11:50 am ET)
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              You know, it's increasingly apparent that you deardolly are a paid mmfa troll.. NO ONE could be that "obtuse"... pathetic... hmmm
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              • Author by DellDolly (January 19, 2010 3:25 pm ET)
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                Pathetic is your middle name. Every post you make gets you deeper into that hole you're digging. Smart people stop digging. Pathetic people keep digging.
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          • Author by MaineiacMan (January 19, 2010 8:05 am ET)
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            You beat me to it! LOL!!!

            Wait...MMfA is "fair and balanced"!
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        • Author by ABBA|Proudly teaBAGGING Liberals (January 19, 2010 11:48 am ET)
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          Talk about looser. Are they non-partisan or do they "attack conservative media information? (usually true but twisted, edited and spun)....

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          • Author by Johaely (January 19, 2010 7:49 pm ET)
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            How is it twisted, edited or spun. They provide clips and transcripts themselves, and even if they were "out of context" you could always shut us up by showing the whole clip in context.
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          • Author by DellDolly (January 20, 2010 1:22 pm ET)
               
            Figure out the definition of politically partisan and get back to us, you dum-dum.
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    • Author by everettbme (January 18, 2010 6:30 pm ET)
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      How about this:

      On the January 17 edition of America's News HQ, anchor Gregg Jarrett said that Massachusetts might like terrorists saying, quote, 'We need to get taxes up.'
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    • Author by everettbme (January 18, 2010 6:35 pm ET)
         
      And another one:


      JARRETT: Maybe it's -- out of step when terrorists are saying that Curt Shilling is a --
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    • Author by sluggo (January 18, 2010 7:27 pm ET)
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      Given the fact that the average age of FOX news viewers is 65 and rising (see Link) FOX sponsors must get as much as they can out of their viewers as fast as they can. This is one reason FOX News is not a news network but just a mechanism to sell stuff to "old" people.

      Guests on FOX should not expect to appear on a "news" program to discuss the issues. The hosts and commentators on FOX are not News people and have no intention of acting in such a way.

      In order to defend such "FOX behavior" someone must just outright lie, pretend a level of ignorance monumental in scope, or just be posting because they are getting paid to do so. (Hello; RightOn??)

      MMFA is just wasting effort documenting FOX lies.
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      • Author by ABBA|Proudly teaBAGGING Liberals (January 19, 2010 2:07 pm ET)
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        Right all those old folks just tuning right in.... how foolish....
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      • Author by whatswrongw.themiddle? (January 20, 2010 10:24 am ET)
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        I am just 20 years old and i tend to watch fox a lot more than i watch CNN or MSNBC (and i am not a Right-winger)... I get tired of half of their programs being devoted to trashing FOX and anybody without the view they do not agree with), CNN not as bad, but MSNBC (especially Keith Olbermann) takes the cake. Just last night Olbermanns "Worlds Worst Persons" - 3. Sean Hannity (FOX) 2. Bill O'Reilly ([Fox] and Olbermann's report on The O'Reilly Factor was an outright lie twisting and contorting what O'Reilly ACTUALLY said. He also Called O'Reilly's guest (Ray Stevens) new song racist but never explained what the song was about. Here is the link if you guys would like to watch the music video on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_-L4fyLUo. I am NOT supporting this song, i would just like to know what Olbermann thought was racist about it) and #1 on his list of world worst persons - Glenn Beck. The more i watch MSNBC the more i realize why they are last in ratings. They lie. CNN and FOX to me do a good job reporting the news with a little lean (there is always going to be atleast a little biass)
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    • Author by SuperDachshund (January 19, 2010 12:39 pm ET)
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      Nothing is taken out of context. This article is just a distortion of what was said.

      She said, "They're gone." They're not. The fact that the military has been doing an excellent job of reducing aQ is no context to claim "they're gone." They're not gone. She goofed. Deal with it. Want more proof of context? Ask John McCormack why she ignored his question about her comments on aQ and why her thug blocked him over a fence and denied his Freedom of the Press by physically preventing him from asking her questions of which people (like me) wanted to know the answers.

      She said, "We need to get taxes up. . ." She didn't say, "We need to increase revenues." She said we need to get taxes up and she meant we need to increase taxes. Again, nothing out of context here. She wants to raise taxes in a deep recession. 'Nuf said.

      Media Matters is whining about "the context" (actually it's "their context") of Coakley's words because they know they can't address the real context of her words. You wanna know the real context? Here it is: Coakley is so flat footed and clueless she thinks she can gain points by claiming aQ is "gone" when they're merely "reduced." She is so disconnected from her constituents that she thinks "raising taxes" is a good thing. She thinks "raising taxes" creates jobs. This is the real context that E.H.H can't write about because it makes her look like an idiot. And she is.
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 20, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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        Liar. Your point has been proven wrong, but you still are pushing it. That makes you a liar.

        What pays for state government to work? Revenue. And what kinds of revenue? Taxes. Fees. Et cetera.

        She said that we need to get taxes up, and the way to get taxes up is to get more people employed. In context, it's really clear what she meant. She didn't talk about raising tax RATES at all.
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    • Author by ABBA|Proudly teaBAGGING Liberals (January 19, 2010 2:05 pm ET)
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      Really funny, "portray her as out-of -touch" that's funny... wait till all the left-wing nuts start tossing her under the out of touch bus.... haha pathetic... see ya right here tomorrow...
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