"I want to be fair here": Fox anchor Jarrett distorts Coakley remarks to portray her as "out of step"
On the January 17 edition of America's News HQ, anchor Gregg Jarrett said that Massachusetts Attorney General and Democratic Senate candidate Martha Coakley might be "out of step when she says things like terrorists are no longer in Afghanistan, or in the debate saying, quote, 'We need to get taxes up.' " Both attacks are distortions: The context of Coakley's Afghanistan comments makes clear that she was referring to Al Qaeda's presence in Afghanistan -- echoing numerous military experts' statements regarding Al Qaeda's diminished presence in Afghanistan, and the context of Coakley's tax comments indicates that she was referring to increasing tax revenues by getting people back to work.
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From the January 17 edition of Fox News' America's News HQ:
JARRETT: Maybe it's -- Martha Coakley is out of step when she says things like terrorists are no longer in Afghanistan, or in the debate saying, quote, "We need to get taxes up." Or, you know, saying something that offended Boston Red Sox fans that Curt Shilling is a --
REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ (D-FL): Oh, she said nothing like that.
JARRETT: Yankees fan.
WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: Come on.
JARRETT: No, the question is to [Rep. Ed] Royce [R-CA].
WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: She didn't say anything like that.
JARRETT: I think I've -- I want to be fair here.
ROYCE: Yes.
JARRETT: Mr. Royce?
ROYCE: I'm here.
JARRETT: Yeah, is it maybe just that, that this is a candidate, Martha Coakley, who has said some things that don't resonate with people. It's not about health care, it's about some of the other things she's saying?
Coakley was referring to Al Qaeda's presence in Afghanistan
Coakley: "Let's focus our efforts on where Al Qaeda is." Coakley's comments were made during a January 11 debate at the University of Massachusetts. Moderator David Gergen asked Coakley, "[H]ow do you think we then succeed in Afghanistan?" Coakley replied: "I'm not sure there is a way to succeed. If the goal was -- and the mission in Afghanistan was to go in because we believed that the Taliban was giving harbor to terrorists. We supported that. I supported that goal. They're gone. They're not there anymore. They're in, apparently Yemen, they're in Pakistan. Let's focus our efforts on where Al Qaeda is." She added: "[T]he focus should be getting the appropriate information on individuals who are trained, who represent a threat to us, and use the force necessary to go after those individuals."
Military and security experts and officials agree that Al Qaeda presence in Afghanistan is "diminished"
Jim Jones: "The Al Qaeda presence is very diminished. ... No bases. No ability to launch attacks on either us or our allies." On October 4, 2009, CNN's John King asked national security adviser Jim Jones, "[D]oes the return of the Taliban in your view, sir, equal the return of a sanctuary for al Qaeda?" Jones responded: "Well, I think this is one of the central issues and, you know, it could. Obviously, the good news is that Americans should feel at least good about in Afghanistan is that the Al Qaeda presence is very diminished. The maximum estimate is less than 100 operating in the country. No bases. No ability to launch attacks on either us or our allies." [State of the Union, 10/4/09]
Wash. Post: Senior U.S. military intelligence official says Al Qaeda has "fewer than 100 members" in Afghanistan. Reporting on "the relative decline of al-Qaeda" in Afghanistan, The Washington Post wrote: "Although the war in Afghanistan began as a response to al-Qaeda terrorism, there are perhaps fewer than 100 members of the group left in the country, according to a senior U.S. military intelligence official in Kabul who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The official estimated that there are 300 al-Qaeda members in the tribal areas of Pakistan, where the group is based, compared with tens of thousands of Taliban insurgents on either side of the border." [The Washington Post, 11/11/09]
NY Times: Senior White House official stated that Al Qaeda has fewer than 100 fighters in Afghanistan. The New York Times reported that a senior Obama administration official stated that "Al Qaeda has fewer than 100 fighters in Afghanistan." [The New York Times, 10/7/09]
Petraeus: "Al Qaida, if you will -- is not based, per se, in Afghanistan." In a May 2009 interview, King said to Petraeus, "No Al Qaida at all in Afghanistan. Is that an exaggeration, General Petraeus, or is that true?" Petraeus responded:
PETRAEUS: No, I would agree with that assessment. Certainly, Al Qaida and its affiliates. Again, remember that this is, as I mentioned earlier, a syndicate of extremist organizations, some of which are truly transnational extremists. In other words, don't just conduct attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan and India, but even throughout the rest of the world, as we saw in the U.K. a couple of years ago. They do come in and out of Afghanistan, but the Al Qaida -- precise Al Qaida, if you will -- is not based, per se, in Afghanistan, although its elements and certainly its affiliates -- Baitullah Mehsud's group, commander Nazir Khaqani (ph) network and others, certainly do have enclaves and sanctuaries in certain parts of eastern Afghanistan. And then the Afghan Taliban, of course, has a number of districts in which it has its fighters and its shadow government, if you will, even.
But I think, no, I think that's an accurate assessment, and that the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan -- that very, very mountainous, rugged terrain just east of the Afghan border and in the western part of Pakistan -- is the locus of the leadership of these organizations, although they do, again, go into Afghanistan, certainly, and conduct operations against our troops, and have tried, certainly, to threaten all the way to Kabul at various times. [State of the Union, 5/10/09]
AP: McChrystal stated, "I do not see indications of a large al-Qaida presence in Afghanistan now." The Associated Press reported, "The top commander of U.S. and international forces in Afghanistan said Friday he sees no signs of a major al-Qaida presence in the country, but says the terror group still maintains close links to insurgents," and quoted Gen. Stanley McChrystal at the Dutch Defense Ministry commenting, "I do not see indications of a large al-Qaida presence in Afghanistan now." [AP, 9/11/09]
"Out of context": Coakley was referring to increasing tax revenues by getting people back to work, not increasing taxes
Coakley: "We need to get people back to work. We need to get taxes up, and we'll start to chip away at that deficit." Jarrett referred to remarks Coakley made during a November 30, 2009, Democratic primary debate, in which Coakley discussed the "need to get out of this recession" by "get[ting] people back to work." Coakley stated: "We need to get people back to work. We need to get taxes up, and we'll start to chip away at that deficit, because individuals and the country, my colleague in California Jerry Brown said, we've all been spending too much money we don't have on stuff we don't need." Coakley went on to say: "[H]ow do we get you back to work, and how do we bring that deficit down? Ultimately by being more careful on how we're spending our money as a country and as individuals. We can do it. We've done it before." From the November 30, 2009, primary debate (around 22:55):
COAKLEY: But we do need to get out of this recession also, and that requires, I think, looking at a couple of things. There's no magic bullet to this. We need to get people back to work. We need to get taxes up, and we'll start to chip away at that deficit because individuals and the country, my colleague in California Jerry Brown said, we've all been spending too much money we don't have on stuff we don't need. And so we need to focus on what do we need individually and as a country.
We need to get people back to work. We need to look at the regions of Massachusetts, where are the needs for that, what kind of job training, particularly with new workers coming into the sector, what skill sets do you have and where can we put them to work in Massachusetts? I've been doing that here in Massachusetts. I want to do that as your new U.S. senator, working with your electeds and your private sector folks to figure out where should we be growing jobs? And how do we get you back to work, and how do we bring that deficit down? Ultimately by being more careful on how we're spending our money as a country and as individuals. We can do it. We've done it before.
Coakley spokesman reportedly clarified that she was "referring to the need to increase tax revenue by getting unemployed people back to work." The New York Times reported January 8 that "a spokesman for Ms. Coakley said the comment, made during a primary election debate, was referring to the need to increase tax revenue by getting unemployed people back to work." The Times added: " 'It's a completely misleading ad,' said the spokesman, Corey Welford. 'Martha was referencing the need to get people back to work and tax revenues that would come with increased employment.' "
Boston Globe: Line has been "taken out of context." In a January 8 article, The Boston Globe reported that a conservative group has been running ads using Coakley's tax line and wrote that the line "appears to have been taken out of context from a primary debate, during which Coakley seemed to suggest that the economy needed to improve so that tax collections would rise."
















...so let me distrort her message and take her words WAY out of context.
Otherwise our guy doesn't stand a chance in hell. And that's not fair, is it?
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And of course, it wasn't 'fair' at all what Jarrett did!
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I was just having some fun.
He can't. If he wants to be fair, he has to go work at MSNBC.....
your are right he SHOULD NOT have a chance in hell. He is running as GOP in a state that has not had a Republican Senator win since 1972!!
There is a reason that this race is close and I DO NOT believe it is because of remarks taken out of context.
And hopefully it is not the nation turning back to the right from the left or the other way around
Im tired of the crooks in Washington who's interest are in their own wallets and keeping their seat, rather than that of the people's
Hopefully it is the eyes, of not only MA but this nation, opening to see that something needs to be done in D.C. and that until the "back-door" politics going on by the left & right is stopped (only way is for us to take a stand and be heard) we are on a spiral path downwards
Sorry, spokespeople don't convince me of anything.
It's difficult to believe anything this cretin says after the willful and hypocritical misrepresentations contained in her most recent ad.
What Brown proposed in his ammendement was not only an unconstitutional violation of the PATIENT'S religious freedoms, but it IS tantamount to denying proper care to rape victims in all but the best cases - meaning DOWNTOWN BOSTON. Wouldn't work too well in a rural area now, would it? His ammendment was despicable, and THANK GOD it got shot down!
More to the point: ABORTION and CONTRACEPTION are two compeletly different things.
If you don't want to PERFORM an abortion, that's fine, no one should have to. (And that;s coming form an unapologetic liberla!) It involves an ACTION on the part of the DOCTOR. But the church's opposition to contracpetion (1) is nothing more that BS medieval susperstiton; and (2) means that the Nurse/Doctor (or whomever) shouldn't TAKE IT, or have sex with someone who does. (Assuming they're opposed to it.) It's none of their damn business what someone ELSE does.
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That's how RELIGIOUS FREEDOM works: You don't have the right to infect your susperstitions onto anyone else.
Coakley didn't "slip" about taxes. What she said, in context, not cropped, is that taxes going to the state will rise if employment goes up. It was awkwardly said, but that's clearly what she meant. The govt gets taxes from many sources. That tax revenue goes up when more people are employed.
The taxes that employed people pay form tax revenue. She didn't MEAN that tax rates should be going up, and so she didn't DEFEND that! Why should she defend something she didn't mean?
Really? Wow, what a genius thing to say. Why would anyone make such an obvious statement like that? It doesn't make sense.
DollySue, You are free to believe her spokesman if you care too, I don't. Nothing was cropped or distorted.
No, I guess it wouldn't make sense to a Right-Wing, addle-brained Conservative like you. The obvious never does!
No, you're right: She said it just to give you clowns grist for the distortion mill.
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As we've learned from Al Gore, and many other: If they're willing to lie about what you said, it doesn't matter how you said it!
Of course you don't. Because the truth doesn't fit your agenda.
You have lost all credibility - people just downrate your posts in a kneejerk fashion now. Good job. Keep it up!
He has the dance down pat and can turn the conversation without ever answering a question.
He may be a hack.
He may be a paid troll.
Heck, this may be just the way he passes his time, in order to have fun.
But; I don't think he is stupid.
I guess they used to use the "why is this here" WITH technique, until it lost its luster.
Now he uses more sophisticated techniques, but he's still a paid troll. It's too bad that so many people let him and others lead them down that troll path. I think that many people are finally figuring it out!
That's either brilliant or stupid.
Brilliant if she wants to equate Scott Brown with California's Jerry Brown.
Stupid if she wants to equate herself with California's Jerry Brown.
And MSNBC just ran a full article on the race without ever mentioning Scott Brown's first name except in a photo caption.
Where are you Media Matters?
Is it only me out here? Do I have to take up all of the slack?
Amazing. So if the media doesn't play along with the narritive you like, and just sticks to reporting the facts, that's evience of liberal bias?
Why don't you LOOK AT HER ACTUAL COMMENTS?! Even a tea-bagger like you would have to admit that she wasn't talking about raising people's income taxes, property taxes or sales taxes. (Or ANY taxes at all!)
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Darn liberally biased facts!
If you can't see that she's talking about tax REVENUE, as gnerated by jobs, then you just don't want to. You want to show me where in therew she says she wants to RAISE TAXES? Tax revenue falls in a recession, dude. That how it goes. It's clear to ME what she means. I guess you don't WANT people to have jobs?
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Try again.
Politicians don't talk of the advantage of more jobs as a government windfall for money, they just don't. They talk about it in the context of their constituent's livelihood.
So, when a politician says we need to get taxes up, it's not about jobs.
JOBS.
As for the rest of it, it's about DEFICIT REDUCTION, which in the long run will help keep job secure. How? Well, it goes back to that "windfall for moeny" you're talking about: With a balanced budget and even a little surplus, the gov't can play a role in helping to cushion the disruption in peoples' lives that the regular, periodic failure of the free market causes (that would be RECESSIONS) without going into debt, whick the required MORE taxes to pay, etc..., etc...
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Only those with a disfunctionally anti-gov't agenda would disagree with that.
Yeah, but your "common sense" led you to posit that warnings on cigarette labels aren't effective.
Anyhow, do you know what she was addressing with these remarks? According to fact-check, it was a reply to a question regarding the deficit.
Just a little more context for you champ.
You added nothing new to this topic, so my comments on this topic stand.
The context of her statement would include the question she was asked, would it not? Therefore, your contention that she was talking about raising taxes in context of the question is silly.
Sorry, your factcheck link did nothing to change my mind.
But you keep dredging up old arguments if it makes you feel good. Perhaps in another month or so you will drag this one around too, and look just as foolish.
So to re-cap, you claim the ability to read minds and when given factual information regarding the context of a statement you are unable to incorporate it into your thought process.
Yup, I could see dragging this tidbit out down the road in order to once again prove to the uninitiated what you are all about.
You never quite get there do you? Always just shy of effectively arguing with me, so you keep bringing old arguments back into play to keep on trying.
The ole' red wagons wheels are falling off.
No, you would rather read her mind and state you know what she meant and what she is thinking.
And the rest of your tripe just makes me sad again. The fact that you manage to get through life, when you clearly don't understand much of what's happening around you, can't be easy
I did.
In case you missed it > "What, you don't think a liberal politician thinks about raising taxes when asked a question about the deficit? It's most likely the first thing that pops in their head"
Care to address the context WITHOUT resporting to mind reading.
Don't worry, I understand that you can't.
Umm.. should be
Care to address the context WITHOUT resorting to mind reading?
As for the silly no tax pledge, I think there are many bright people in the field of economics that lay some partial blame for California's current budgetary problems on just such nonsense (prop 13 if I remember). Why would anyone want to perpetuate that?
Increasing revenue from having more people at work is not the same as raising taxes in the sense of increasing the rate at which one pays taxes. And as for a no new tax pledge, that just paints one into a corner when you can't really know what will happen tomorrow (except you of course Carnac).
I know that you don't see it that way but; if Coakley had been the one to offer up that "No Tax" pledge, I would have called her for the "gimmick".
This isn't the first time some politician has offered that up during a campaign. I don't suppose you remember that "Read My Lips" pledge, do you?
How can any politician honestly sign something like that when they have no idea what the future may hold?
Besides, that we don't know what is going to happen is just an excuse for liberals who can't imagine governing under such constraints.
Priceless! So what's the point of such a pledge if, when circumstances shift, it is no longer valid. Which would make sucj a pledge, nothing but a GIMMICK!
But then you are used to being pandered to and placated being a liberal and all. So all of this is foreign to you. You'd rather get fed BS from a liberal politician than the truth. I get that.
Given your stated position that liberals love taxes and live to impose them/raise them whenever they are in power, why would you beleive any Democrat that signed such a pledge? You couldn't. So how would such a pledge not be a gimmick? You really are a tool. I bet you think you have "won" something again, too.
Sorry but; that doesn't make sense.
If they sign the pledge they are commited to not raise taxes but; nothing is in stone, so it is OK to raise taxes? You lost me there.
Personaly, I thought it was a gimmick because Brown knows that you can't tell the future so, if he lost, then they could use it against Coakley at some future date. I am pretty sure I have seen both side use that gambit before.
Nevermind - I know the answer.
"Just because you absolutely cannot accept losing an argument with me here... "
So if your mind isn't changed it means you win the argument? I don't think so. Your arguments about the meaning of Coakley's remark are unconvincing.
Any normal person will see it as raising revenues through increased employment. More people working means more tax revenue means lower deficits. It's not rocket science, unless you're willfully distorting the truth.
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Does that mean the conservative candidatew was a "machine tool"?
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NY-23 = Political Science FAIL
But then... doing so serves your purpose and agenda every bit as well as the myth of liberal media bias does, so why am I not surprised?
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Again - all it proves is how effective a "machine tool" the RW media-operation is.
You people are amazing. You lie, cheat, steal, defraud, distort (or you support those who do) and then you have the nerve to crticize US when we point it out.
Amazing. I stand in awe of your capacity for self-deception.
But to answer your question, YES, "it" (whatever "it" is) IS very often someone else's fault. That the way it works when you're RIGHT.
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Whatever. Cling to that "liberal media bias" myth. Whatever works for you.
Are you talking about progressive leader, and msnbc hack, Ed Schultz?
http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/16/ed-schultz-id-cheat-keep-brown-winning/
Somehow I think Ed is supposed to be the liberal counterpoint to people like Rush.
He may not be nearly as crazy as Rush but; he can provide some humour when pointing out that some in the right live in a fantasy land.
My favorite is still Jon Stewart.
He is a comedian, who has more insight into national politics than the pundits people listen to everyday.
Kind of sad, isn't it.
Really?
Second... are you seriously comapring a single remark made by Ed Shultz (soemone I don't happen to watch or listen to BTW) to EVERYTHING, the THOUSANDS of items, that MMFA has posted over the past 5+ years?
Really?
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And I've been to con media sites as well. All they do is complain about "bias" without demonstrating how any of the information presented is actually FALSE.
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/01/does-coakley-oppose-care-for-rape.html
Try http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/bay-state-battle/ to see who the REAL liar is.
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Whatever. Facts do tend to have a liberal bias.
rightoff talks like the political spin that the Dems put on Coakley's remarks (right or wrong) are somehow different than the spin that the GOP and the right are putting on them. He also doesn't seem to have an issue with accepting the GOP spin and even spins it himself, when he says that he read/listened to the full statement in context and still agrees with what the GOP said.
You are the ones in invested in party loyalty, maybe that is why so many of you project that crap on to me. Because you hate it in yourselves.
Boston Herald
Here's the link to the debate. Listen to it and tell me that what she said, in context, isn't different than what is being reported.
How about posting a link to a right wing site where you are bashing them over their spin?
Heal thyself or debate the topic, instead of calling an argument you can't refute "talking points". It is so tired.
BTW I'm not a Dem, I'm about as independant as you can get since I vote the person, not the party.
I will, and have, call anyone on their hypocrisy, regardless of side.
Of course that's not true. What is actually true is that people on the right lie more often, and lie with more gusto and without much fear of retribution from their supporters!
When it's someone else's fault, it shouldn't matter to a fair-minded person what side of the aisle the wrongdoer is on.
i think this is really about our countries education system. from your posts we are obviously letting people graduate who have no idea how to comprehend the English language. you really need to go back and look at what she actually said. you will see she did not say what you want her to have said.
Of course not! I mean, we all KNOW who THAT is, and it's a painful narritive that doesn't really WORK for you, isn't it?
"It's not about who's lying" becuase you're going to LIE, by distorting her words.
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[url=http://eddiecabot blogspot.com]No one in the RW media could have said it any better.[/url]
So let the right lie, or the left lie. I prefer to respect those based on their beliefs and character, not the party.
Really, just from the posts of yours that I've read I would say you spend most of your time defending the right or bashing the left. That really doesn't sound like you're very unbiased to me.
You keep trying to make MY position into "us" versus "them" but that's hardly the case. (I never voted for Clinton, didn't vote for Bush, and under reasonably possible circustances (that didn't work out that way) absolutely COULD HAVE voted for McCain. Namely: McCain/someone else vs. Clinton/someone else.)
You say: I prefer to respect those based on their beliefs and character.
Well... so do I. And the fact is that the RIght LIES, outrights LIES, more. This is what I've seen anyway, and only conservtaive leaning media come close to offering evidence otherwise.
This not only speaks to CHARECTER, but it also undermines their IDEAS. If an idea can't be supported with FACTS and OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, or be defended in a PRINCIPLED way, the HOW THE HELL CAN YOU CALL IT A GOOD IDEA!?
It was the LACK of charecter and the LACK of ideas on the part of teh Right that caused me to vote Democratic in past few elecetion cycles. (Since 2000, actually.) If I'm shown any well-reasoned, objective evidence that the Right has either Charecter, Principles or Good Ideas, the I'll start voting Republican... again.
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It is NOT a desire to be a Democrat that causes me to judge the right so harshly. It is the fact that their words, deeds, policies and philosophy are almost completely (~80%) discongruous with my own, and with my idea of what America stands for and should aspire to.
That is a good position to be in. A lemming is not a good position to be in, although that's what we encounter here.
You try to foster discourse. This is not a good site for that, although the gallant try is noble.
Keep up the good work, but consider the combatant. It's hard to win against people whose minds aren't very big, but are decidedly made up.
It can be ingratiating, but someone's got to do it.
Why have a site if all you attract are dittoheads?
"Of course, it's always somebody elses fault for a liberal."
And so it IS 100% relevant to YOUR false charge that it's the liberals who like to falsely throw blame on other people!
It WAS, for YOU, about 'who blames more'.
Thanks for showing that you can't even keep the context of YOUR OWN remarks in mind when replying. Keep destroying your reputation!
You misunderstood, and I've explained that on several different threads, but you keep bringing it up.
You're wrong, you were wrong with your allegations on that previous thread, and you have nothing here either.
The dishonest lying troll would be you, and I understand that having your lying behavior pointed out is painful for you - too bad, so sad.
bintx didn't JUST say that it was MERELY one thing. She mentioned other stuff too.
You somehow thought you won the argument by thinking that I was a dunce, and didn't understand that 'just' and 'simply' and 'merely' were synonyms. Of course anyone who reads my posts understands that I have a great vocabulary and wouldn't be confused by that. It was YOUR failure and your attempt to instigate something that was on display there. Here are the links to the relevant threads. I have them saved, so every time you make this false allegation, I will document how it's been proven wrong, yet you continue to make it - we're up to 3 times now for you to run with this debunked accusation!
http://clips.mediamatters.org/research/201001130002
http://mediamatters.org/research/201001110062#689734
And what's this "if you'd like it linked" baloney? As I said on the second thread you tried this nonsense on, you should have provided the link THEN too.
See, I'm not afraid to provide the links to the exchanges, because I will come out smelling like a rose, and you'll come out smelling like the skunk you are, RightON.
1) nice to know, but a bit TMI, don't you think?
2) I find a cup of tea HELPS me focus, but whatever...
3) This... from you. Wow. I guess we should all run and hide now.
4) I don't really care what Obama thinks of her, becuase unlike consevatioves I like to think for myself, but I'll be disappointed in the man if he really does "throw her under the bus." More likely, in the unlikely event that any concilation be needed/made, it will be the RW media's distortion of his words that will make it seem like he's throwing her under the bus.
5) I don't deal in talking points. I THINK, remember? You ought to try it some time. It might hurt a bit at first, if you're out of practice, but it feels good after you do it a few times. (Just like something else you probably don't get enough of.) "Talking points" is a conservative tactic. It works because we have a LOT of "C-students" in this country who vote Republican, and are easily fooled.
6) We'll see.
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You'll have to do better than that with me, little boy.
However, the substance of what she said is true - Generals and other advisors have said in Congressional testimony and elsewhere that Al Qaeda in Afghanistan doesn't have operational capabilities there any more.
And the winner of the election has nothing to do with whether or not her comments were accurate.
But way to be off topic once again, fool.
Where was she on the campaign trail while Brown was shaking hands and having town hall meetings? Why would she only agree to one debate? What was she doing at a 'fat cat' fundraiser in DC last week? Why was she making fun of Scott Brown who was shaking hands at the NHL hockey game at Fenway Park on Jan 1st? Answer - because she thought she had the race won and wouldnt have to battle for it. Out of touch? Nah! She's not out of touch.
Where is MMfA twisted explanation of Patrick Kennedy continually calling her "Marsha Coakley" at Pres Obama's pep rally on Sunday. Out of touch? Nah!
However, lots of voters in MASS care because it makes her look OUT OF TOUCH with who they are.
Another example of "out of touch" regarding this campaign....Chris Van Hollen, the chief of the "Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee" actually said the following......“They’ve got a very tough argument to make, if you want to nationalize the election, you also bring in Bush and Cheney. If they do that, they open the door to the question: Why would you give the keys to the guys that drove us into the economic ditch and then refused to help get out of that ditch?”
Yeah you caught that right, in a race for "Ted Kennedy's seat"....who actually did exactly that...drove the car into a ditch (ok, ok into the water) then refused to help (save Mary Jo's life).
Now come on, using that analogy....in this race....THAT IS OUT OF TOUCH!
Somehow, I think that is going a little over the edge.
I think you are OUT OF TOUCH.
Pat Robertson can probably give you the transcript of their spirits meeting after his death which would warm the cockles of your heart.
As for Teddy refusing to help...he didnt, he walked away.
I'm sure that anyone who may know anyone related to Mary Jo Kopechne will really appreciate you digging this up.
MMFA is a non-partisan site which doesn't advocate or support any candidate or political party.
Get a clue, loser.
LOL!!!! Best whopper of the day, courtesy of Sue herself. Congratulations, another topper. Just when I think you've outdone yourself, you out do yourself.
You have lost it my dear, it's only a matter of time before you implode right here before us.
I can't stop laughing.
Stay tuned.
MMFA isn't a partisan group for the support of Democrats. They don't advocate for any laws, candidates or political parties. They're a 501c group which follows the regulations for such non-profit groups.
So it's not really the 'gotcha' moment you hoped for. But thanks for identifying yourself as a member of that group that is paid to derail threads, make personal attacks on posters who threaten your ability to do so, and whose sole job here is to be disruptive! Thanks - really, I mean it! It's always good for the good guys to have people self-identify themselves as a disreputable poster!
Man, you're a bozo from stem to stern, aren't you?
You got called a bozo because you're acting like one. It's based upon your behavior, which is horrific and idiotic!
The quote I posted was from a conversation we had, not one from "other posters".
I'm so happy I decided to read this thread before shutting off the computer & heading to bed...I wouldn't have wanted to miss this!!
MMFA is a non-partisan site? Sue my dear, you are insane. Better go read their mission statement again, though since you've probably wallpapered your entire house with it I'd figure you'd know it by heart.
Thanks for the laugh ;-)
So, you lose, once again. You really shouldn't hitch your wagon to RightON. He's imploding as we watch.
MMFA is very much a partisan website. The relevant part of their statement being they are a Progressive [Liberal] site that monitors Conservative mis-information. Right there should be your first clue my dear lady that they are not non-partisan. If they were a media watchdog that monitored all media, then you'd have an argument.
Also, they feature Progressive [Liberal] Blogs & Columnists. That is partisan. Should they someday offer Conservative Blogs & Columnists, then you'd have an argument.
My God ask any other Progressive [Liberal] poster here & they will readily admit this site is partisan. In fact when Cons have complained about this site only going after Conservative mis-information & Conservative media & ignoring Progressive [Liberal] misdeeds & mis-information, they are told that THIS is a Progressive [Liberal] site. Another words, PARTISAN. If they get it, why are you so clueless? Or is it just that stubborn arrogant streak of yours that can't admit when you are wrong.
And BTW dear Dolly, just because you claim to "win" an argument doesn't make it so, other than in your mind.
And if anyone is imploding, it's you, not RightOn.
She should stick to cleaning the execs restrooms, at least she gets a pat on the head there.
You're the one who lied about what I said about what bintx had said.
I've posted LINKS to those remarks, and how I've debunked that accusation you've made 4 times in the last week. Yet you keep repeating it.
That's because your personal animus is so pervasive, so controlling, you just can't refrain from repeating the lie!
Too bad, so sad. You're digging your own grave, and you have no ability to stop.
But keep imploding - it's really fun to watch!!!
They don't support any political party. No legislation. No candidates.
This is not rocket science.
Just because your side claims something doesn't make it true. My adherence to facts does support my arguments at every turn.
They can't lobby for any political party, any legislation or any politician. This is not rocket science, yet you can't understand it? What a lazy brain you have. And it's you who is imploding - who can't stop the personal attacks, who can't stand the way I've exposed your disreputable behavior. It really tees you off. Too bad, so sad.
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Wait...MMfA is "fair and balanced"!
On the January 17 edition of America's News HQ, anchor Gregg Jarrett said that Massachusetts might like terrorists saying, quote, 'We need to get taxes up.'
JARRETT: Maybe it's -- out of step when terrorists are saying that Curt Shilling is a --
Guests on FOX should not expect to appear on a "news" program to discuss the issues. The hosts and commentators on FOX are not News people and have no intention of acting in such a way.
In order to defend such "FOX behavior" someone must just outright lie, pretend a level of ignorance monumental in scope, or just be posting because they are getting paid to do so. (Hello; RightOn??)
MMFA is just wasting effort documenting FOX lies.
She said, "They're gone." They're not. The fact that the military has been doing an excellent job of reducing aQ is no context to claim "they're gone." They're not gone. She goofed. Deal with it. Want more proof of context? Ask John McCormack why she ignored his question about her comments on aQ and why her thug blocked him over a fence and denied his Freedom of the Press by physically preventing him from asking her questions of which people (like me) wanted to know the answers.
She said, "We need to get taxes up. . ." She didn't say, "We need to increase revenues." She said we need to get taxes up and she meant we need to increase taxes. Again, nothing out of context here. She wants to raise taxes in a deep recession. 'Nuf said.
Media Matters is whining about "the context" (actually it's "their context") of Coakley's words because they know they can't address the real context of her words. You wanna know the real context? Here it is: Coakley is so flat footed and clueless she thinks she can gain points by claiming aQ is "gone" when they're merely "reduced." She is so disconnected from her constituents that she thinks "raising taxes" is a good thing. She thinks "raising taxes" creates jobs. This is the real context that E.H.H can't write about because it makes her look like an idiot. And she is.
What pays for state government to work? Revenue. And what kinds of revenue? Taxes. Fees. Et cetera.
She said that we need to get taxes up, and the way to get taxes up is to get more people employed. In context, it's really clear what she meant. She didn't talk about raising tax RATES at all.