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Beck's "shocking" and "disturbing" documentary caps month of suggesting progressives are prone to violence

January 22, 2010 4:26 pm ET — 212 Comments

In recent weeks Glenn Beck has promoted a documentary special titled "Revolutionary Holocaust" that he says shows "really disturbing and shocking stuff," purportedly to show "the dirty little secret" that progressives helped cause "some of the most horrifying outcomes in history." Beck's documentary comes at the end of a month-long campaign during which he has used violent rhetoric suggesting that progressives pose a physical danger to President Obama and "you."

Beck promotes special that shows "the dirty little secret" that progressives caused "some of the most horrifying outcomes in history"

Beck promises that upcoming "documentary" on the "unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism" will show what "progressives don't want you to know." On his Fox News show, Beck has promoted his January 22 special, "Revolutionary Holocaust," stating on January 21: "It is really, really disturbing and shocking stuff on a multiple of levels. Most of America is going to be stunned for what they see tomorrow night, because they're going to see history that they have never even heard of. History that -- I mean, honest to goodness, you will see film footage of things that you didn't even think existed. Why? Well, you haven't seen it because progressives don't want you to know about it." Beck continued:

BECK: It is history that is not being taught in classrooms in America. But tomorrow night, you're going to see it -- the true, unseen history of Marxism, progressivism, and communism. You gonna see what Michael Moore's beloved Cuba really is, at least the way only the people who are lucky enough to live through Castro's regime remember. You're going to see Che. I love this guy. He's not really the happy-go-lucky kid who rode around on his motorcycle like Hollywood tells us he is. His real exploits will make even the more granola hippie lose their Che shirt. We also have footage from the Soviet Union that has been buried in the vaults of the KGB.

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Well, you see, the dirty little secret that communists, Marxists, and progressives don't want you to know is their system has never ever worked.

And not only has it never worked, it has led to some of the most horrifying outcomes in history. You think that guy -- you think that guy was the only one that did it? And you think this guy is from the right? Oh, yeah, really?

Make sure you tune in tomorrow. People wouldn't support Mao and they wouldn't be wearing a Mao hat if they knew they were endorsing somebody who killed tens of millions of people. That's Anita Dunn -- she said, you know, "One of the great philosophers that I think of most is Mao."

She knows who he is, but most Americans don't, because progressives tend to breeze past that little speed bump in history. I told you back in December that this program is going to change. Tomorrow is the first real step in that direction.

You see, progressives knew 100 years ago you can't win a battle against our Founding Fathers. Progressives had to change the course of history by changing history itself. If you can convince people that killers are cool, and get them to wear a t-shirt, you'll win their hearts and minds.

"Progressive hunter" Beck's violence-laden campaign suggesting that progressives pose a danger to Obama and "you"

Beck: Obama "is in danger from the left" because he "has surrounded himself with extraordinarily dangerous people." During an interview with Sarah Palin on his radio show, Beck claimed that he makes "a pretty good compelling case" that President Obama "is in danger from the left because the left is the only one with a real history of violence." Beck further stated that Obama "has surrounded himself with extraordinarily dangerous people that actually do believe that power comes from the barrel of a gun." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 1/21/2010]

Beck suggests Obama in danger from his advisers: "Dear God, protect our president." Discussing former White House adviser Van Jones, Beck asked, "Do you think it's safe to have an individual like that around the president of the United States? Are you comfortable with that?" Beck concluded: "Please pray for our Secret Service, make sure that they do their job. Dear God, protect our president." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 1/21/2010]

Beck: Progressive civil war "could become dangerous": "Let me show you why the president is in danger." Beck stated of Sen.-elect Scott Brown's victory in the Massachusetts special election: "[It's] going to trigger a revolution or a civil war in the Democratic Party. It's progressives versus Democrats. It's blue versus gray. And this is a war that I think could become dangerous -- hopefully not." Beck further asserted that "the republic is in danger" and stated that "the president is in danger" from "revolutionaries" such as former White House communications director Anita Dunn and SEIU president Andy Stern. [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 1/20/2010]

Beck: "Pray that the Secret Service care for" Obama. After stating that he "hope[s] to God that we never ever have to have an actual battle," Beck discussed a "verbal battle" between "the progressive, uber-revolutionary left" and "those who believe in the republic," and commented, "Watch the uber-left. Pray that Obama moves to the center. If he does, pray that the Secret Service care for that man." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 1/20/2010]

Beck's website: "Progressives want you dead." On his website, Beck posted the headline: "Not 'useful'? Progressives want you dead"

Beck: Progressives "started a hundred-year time bomb, they planted it in the early 1900s." Purporting to discuss the history of progressivism, Beck claimed: "I saw their influence. I saw what they set up. They started a hundred-year time bomb, they planted it in the early 1900s." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 1/7/2010]

Beck: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter." Telling his audience that they "are going to learn so much on Friday," Beck compared himself to "Israeli Nazi hunters" and commented "I'm going to find these big progressives and to the day I die I'm going to be a progressive hunter." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 1/20/2010]

Beck: Progressives "are sucking the blood out of the republic" and are "gonna start getting more and more violent." On his Fox News show, Beck stated that "the progressive movement is sucking the blood out of the republic" and that their "playbook" is to "lie, cheat, steal." On his radio show, Beck warned that progressive "vampires" have a "taste of blood" and are "gonna start getting more and more violent."

Beck: "Grab a torch." Asserting that politicians are addicted to spending, Beck stated: "When do we ever run those who are bankrupting our country and literally stealing our children's future out of town? Grab a torch." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 1/6/2010]

Beck has long history of violent rhetoric

Beck compares Fox News to Jews during the Holocaust, other news organizations to silent bystanders. On his October 13, 2009, radio show, Beck said: "When they're done with Fox, and you decide to speak out on something. The old, 'first they came for the Jews, and I wasn't Jewish.' When you have a question, and you believe that something should be asked, they're a -- totally fine with you right now; they have no problem with you. When they're done with Fox and talk radio, do you really think they're going to leave you alone if you want to ask a tough question? Do you really think that a man who has never had to stand against tough questions and has as much power as he does -- do you really believe after he takes out the number one news network, do you really think that this man is then not going to turn on you? That you and your little organization is going to cause him any hesitation at all not to take you out?"

Beck: "Just pray for protection, please." On his radio show, Beck told his listeners he is "fighting for you and ... your children" and asked them to "pray" for "safety" and "protection." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 9/8/2009]

Beck: "I fear a Reichstag moment, a -- God forbid -- another 9-11, something that will turn this machine on." During an interview with Newsmax.com in which he discussed opposition to Obama's Federal Communication Commission policies, Beck said: "I fear an event. I fear a Reichstag moment, a -- God forbid -- another 9-11, something that will turn this machine on, and power will be seized and voices will be silenced. God help us all.''

Beck: "[Y]ou will have to shoot me in the forehead before you take away my gun" and "before I acquiesce and be silent." Beck warned "ACORN, GE, Obama, SEIU" were "awakening a sleeping giant, and I have nothing to do with it," adding:

BECK: America is waking up. You know the American Revolution took place with 12 percent of the population? Twelve. Are you telling me there is not 30 percent of this population that you will have to shoot me in the forehead before I let somebody into my house to tell me how to raise my children; you will have to shoot me in the forehead before you take away my gun; you will have to shoot me in the forehead before I acquiesce and be silent. [The Glenn Beck Program, 7/31/2009]

Beck: "This game is for keeps"; "[Y]ou can shoot me in the head ... but there will be 10 others that line up." Asking his audience to "pray for protection," Beck claimed that "the most powerful people on the planet on the left" were "not going to go away easy" because "[t]his game is for keeps. This is who controls the United States of America and its destiny." He went on to state, "Just pray for protection, please." Beck subsequently stated:

BECK: You can try to put the lid on this group of people, but you will never silence us. You will never -- you can shoot me in the head, you can shoot the next guy in the head, but there will be 10 others that line up. And it may not happen today, it may not happen next week, but freedom will be restored in this land. Period. And no matter what you want to call it, it is a totalitarian state that you're headed towards. [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/8/2009]

Beck pours gasoline on "average American," asks, "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire?" Beck claimed to be imitating Obama while pouring liquid from a gasoline can -- which he later stated was water -- on an "average American." Beck said during his demonstration: "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? ... We didn't vote to lose the republic." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 4/9/2009]

Beck: "There is a coup going on. There is a stealing of America": "God help us in an emergency." Beck stated that "there is a revolution, and they think they can get away with it quietly." Beck further claimed, "At this point, gang, I'm not sure, they may be able to because they are so far ahead of us. They know what they're dealing against; most of America does not yet. Most of America doesn't have a clue as to what's going on. There is a coup going on. There is a stealing of America, and the way it is done, it has been done through the -- the guise of an election, but they lied to us the entire time." He also said, "And they're gonna say, 'we did it democratically,' and they are going to grab power every way they can. And God help us in an emergency." [The Glenn Beck Program, 7/31/2009]

Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires, suggests "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." Beck aired a graphic portraying Obama and Democrats as vampires and said, "The government is full of vampires, and they are trying to suck the lifeblood out of the economy." Beck then suggested "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 3/30/2009]

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    • Author by gg (January 22, 2010 4:37 pm ET)
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      What I find "shocking" and "disturbing" is that this lunatic is on the radio and TV and not just standing on some street corner where he belongs.
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (January 22, 2010 4:55 pm ET)
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        Can you make $20 million a year, standing on a street corner wearing a sandwich board?
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      • Author by Publius39 (January 22, 2010 6:24 pm ET)
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        Because Rupert knows a cash cow when he sees one. No one will ever admit it, but most Americans like the crap to be scared out of them, and Beck does it better than anyone. It doesn't matter that most of what he says are either outright lies or misconstructions of the truth, if you can scare the right people, you can get them to do and believe anything you say.
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        • Author by ilikeike (January 24, 2010 2:57 pm ET)
             
          you are correct, but it seems to me that all people all through history , noy just Americans , fall for the people who exploit their fears.I feel that the only way to combat these fearmongers is ridicule and laughter. you cant use reason to oppose arguments based on fear and paranoia, but showing how ridiculous and overwrought Beck is , is an effective way to disarm him
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (January 23, 2010 10:22 pm ET)
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        What did Glenn say that was substantively wrong. You can call him names all you want, but he did not state one thing that was not factually true.
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        • Author by Ruby (January 24, 2010 10:50 am ET)
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          I'm sorry...you believe that anyone with a different political perspective than you is flat out evil? Cuz that's Beck's school of thought.
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          • Author by loonz (January 24, 2010 11:36 am ET)
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            Conservatives believe people are generally evil (I think this is born out of religion and original sin) and that government should only be used to constrain us from our "evil" tendencies. Liberals believe people are generally good and we should use government to help everyone.
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            • Author by tsk4636 (January 24, 2010 10:54 pm ET)
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              No, conservatives believe that people well succeed or fail given their own efforts, talents and abilities. However liberals think that people are too stupid for their own good, so they must move them in the right direction, by carrot or stick. They think they know best and the unwashed just need to shut up and do what they are told.

              No one here has shown what Beck has said to be untrue or shown any conection between conservatism and the evil that Hitler brought. "Liberals believe people are generally good and we should use government to help everyone". Really, well I don't want your help and it looks like the voters in MA don't want it either.

              GOOD DAY
              Capm
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            • Author by EZ4you2say (January 25, 2010 1:36 pm ET)
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              No, Liberals think everyone(but them) are inherently stupid and only they know what's good for you.
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            • Author by Kryptonite to Stupid (January 25, 2010 2:48 pm ET)
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              I find your statements very broad and sweeping. You seem quite ignorant of the facts.
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        • Author by loonz (January 24, 2010 11:22 am ET)
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          This is what Beck essentially did - universal health care (a good thing to support) equals the curbing of speech and privacy rights, war, torture, death and execution, racism, xenophobia, etc. Tell me which one of those things conservatives don't support.

          He says expanded government leads to these things but as we all know that's false. The democratic governments in all those places were dissolved and replaced with dictatorships. Dictators want the people to follow their brand of morality or face severe consequences. That's a conservative mindset (conservatives in this country want to replace the Construction with the Bible and force people to follow their brand of morality or else). Also, police powers and prison populations tend to expand during republican administrations. As more prisons are being built, republicans need to increase the power of law enforcement agencies and institute Draconian legislation in order to fill prison cells.

          Finally, what all these dictators have in common is their paranoia - everyone and everything is out to get them and they must suppress. Conservatives see boogie men everywhere and are stacking up their guns to, I guess, kill those who they think are a threat.
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        • Author by ilikeike (January 24, 2010 2:58 pm ET)
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          please give me one example of what he said that was factually true
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      • Author by whatthehell (January 23, 2010 11:59 pm ET)
           
        Unlike the Keith Olberman who never goes beyond the realm of sanity
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      • Author by TomTom (January 24, 2010 7:46 pm ET)
           
        So MMfa...What's your point?
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      • Author by Kryptonite to Stupid (January 25, 2010 2:46 pm ET)
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        What's the problem, you can't handle an opposite point of view?
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      • Author by marionetta (January 22, 2010 4:43 pm ET)
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        You know that it's things like this makes the U.S. look crazy to the rest of the world.
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      • Author by Max Credits (January 22, 2010 4:45 pm ET)
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        All your stupid are belong to you.
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      • Author by southerngal (January 22, 2010 4:45 pm ET)
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        At the risk of continuing off topic, it's never the message mark, it's always the messenger, or the vehicle, or Rush Limbaugh, or Glenn Beck, or Fox News, or the rain. Anything but the message, never the message.
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        • Author by Max Credits (January 22, 2010 5:01 pm ET)
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          How about that message from the Beck fan who murdered 3 cops last year? Those bullets sure said a lot. Any chance that Beck's mainstreaming of the sicko's crackpot beliefs gave the man any extra motivation? Any chance the killer was too chicken to murder cops until he saw Beck on his TV saying the same violent things he was thinking? Just rhetorical questions, right ON, I know you think Beck is absolutely free to speak as violently as he wants and free to get someone else to pull the trigger for him. Nothing he says is ever his fault. Besides, he's just kidding.
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          • Author by weber49 (January 22, 2010 6:51 pm ET)
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            Let me think, is it a progressive on trial in Kansas for killing an abortion doctor? Was it a progressive that recently died in a Virginia jail ward for shooting an African-American guard at the Jewish Holocast Museum? Was it a progressive that murdered three police officers in Pittsburgh, PA because he thought that Obama had sent them to seize his guns?

            Mr Beck, which side of the policical discourse is violent?
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          • Author by nogard (January 24, 2010 11:28 am ET)
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            What an utterly sad response. Have you ever heard of an ad hominem attack? Even if your premise were correct, which it isn't, you can not blame a murder on Beck. A mad man will find an excuse to kill if that is what he wants to do. Or, perhaps everyone everywhere should stop voicing opinions of any kind as they may "incite" some crazy somewhere to murder. Why don't you voice some of your outrage at the true criminals hiding in mosques behind their religion, calling openly for the murder of innocents world wide in the name of their murderous god allah? This threat is concrete and easily provable, just read your morning paper, if you can find a none progressive paper that actually reports facts. Or perhaps they will escape attack because you are either a coward or maybe, Beck is correct about progressives and they help with your dirty work.
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          • Author by whatthehell (January 25, 2010 12:26 am ET)
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            Yes, I will never forget the show where Beck advocated killing the police, it was horrible. It would probably be even more horrible if it ever happened. Are you by chance listening the the voices in your radio too much??
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        • Author by shaggles (January 22, 2010 5:11 pm ET)
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          What are you saying? That people don't address what Beck, Limbaugh, et al are saying and only attack them personally? I don't see how anyone could support such a claim.
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          • Author by southerngal (January 22, 2010 5:18 pm ET)
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            I am saying that liberals should stop blaming the kitchen sink on their problems. Most recently the Mass election. I have seen people here post that it was Fox News' fault, or whatever else they can point their finger at. Look at the message, maybe the country isn't ready for massive change that they thought they did when they voted in 2008. Wouldn't be the first time the fickle public decides to go slow, be cautious and not so fast. Smart people adjust and realize the limitations of what they achieve politically. Maybe Obama is that smart, we will see. But ramming legislation down people's throat doesn't work.

            So it is the message, it always is.
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            • Author by Max Credits (January 22, 2010 5:25 pm ET)
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              Who can we blame this imaginary conversation you're having about misplaced liberal blame? Papa Smurf? The ShamWow guy?
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              • Author by coldteablues19577325 (January 22, 2010 8:36 pm ET)
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                "The ShamWow guy?"

                That would be Vince to you ... "gotta love his nuts" ... oh yeah that's that mini food processor thingie he also hawks. :-) LMFAO!!!
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                • Author by John Paradox (January 22, 2010 11:35 pm ET)
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                  that mini food processor thingie he also hawks

                  The 'Slap Chop'? Sounds like what someone should do with Beckie.
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            • Author by bintx (January 22, 2010 5:28 pm ET)
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              Sorry, but that's not the "message" of these bozos. Their message is unrelenting dishonesty, hate and divisiveness day after day after day. Has nothing to do with anything but feeding the phony "us v. them" game they created so that they can rake in the bucks. You need to listen more carefully.
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              • Author by southerngal (January 22, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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                Bintx, You didn't read what I replied to, which was mark's statement about the liberal "great" message. I was not commenting on the message of Glenn Beck, which is not a message on policy, but rather about his own hysterical rants and raves.
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              • Author by nogard (January 24, 2010 12:03 pm ET)
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                I am stunned by the complete lack of facts and clear well presented arguments in this comment area! I see nothing but uniformed opinion and the type of name calling done in school yards. If this is the best the left has to offer I can see why air america folded and will take heart in the victory of conservatism.
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            • Author by bilbo_dies (January 22, 2010 8:45 pm ET)
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              But ramming legislation down people's throat doesn't work.

              What legislation was it that got rammed down peoples throat, I forgot?

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              • Author by John Paradox (January 22, 2010 11:36 pm ET)
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                Can you have something rammed down your throat while you're bending over and grabbing your ankles?
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                • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 11:45 pm ET)
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                  Only if you are a porn actress.
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                  • Author by usp (January 23, 2010 1:28 am ET)
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                    or larry craig.
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                    • Author by lather (January 24, 2010 6:59 am ET)
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                      Hey, I like in Idaho.. Ouch.

                      "But ramming legislation down people's throat doesn't work."

                      Nobody is doing such a thing.. and that line is nothing more then a Fox Talking point. Anyone with a Brain can see that Fox Does nothing for its "Fans" but Brainwash with catchphrases, Repeating, Over and over till you fools believe it.
                      The MAJORITY of AMERICANS ( As with MOST PEOPLE ) Want Health care..

                      I am so saddened by how easy the uneducated seem to believe anything they are told.. and are able to have others who are so apathetic they follow anything.. follow right along,
                      Is the US Doomed? Dear god what is happening?

                      I have not posted in a couple months.. Just been in Shock. Just Shock..
                      I listen To Rush and Watch Fox.. ( Please Note I am an Anarchist ) And can't understand how other don't see what MONSTERS they are.. Beck is WRONG ALWAYS! Rush IS EVIL! FOX IS Damaging the U.S.
                      TeaBaggers Are FOOLS and Being Educated is NOT a Bad thing OR being Elite!

                      I have NOTHING but Explatives to say past here so will stop now..
                      I love MM. Thank you all for your Post.. And you Rightwing *&#^% Need to OPEN YOUR EYES!! Get Educated.. STUDY History.. Beck can Quote ANYTHING he wants from the Founding Fathers.. He is interpreting it incorrectly! WAKE UP!!!
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                      • Author by nogard (January 24, 2010 11:36 am ET)
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                        You are soooooo superior! Anyone can tell from your post! You write nothing but foolish unsupported opinions. A true product of progressive education.
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                    • Author by Hamburgler (January 24, 2010 10:05 pm ET)
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                      Or Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann.
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            • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 11:19 pm ET)
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              It was one election about one senate seat in a state that already has universal health care, so this was probably less about healthcare and Obama and more about how the democratic candidate ran a poor election and blew a 30 point lead.
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            • Author by sepirothpk (January 23, 2010 4:51 am ET)
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              They haven't blamed faux news. What they have been doing is pointing out the lying, biased bull that they regurgitate at an alarming rate
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        • Author by bintx (January 22, 2010 5:13 pm ET)
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          I never listened, it's not carried in our area [I listen to hate talk radio in my car and country music in my office], but I do know that Ron Reagan and Rachel Maddow were hosts. Did anyone ever cite either of those folks' message following the murder of another human being? Just curious.

          Oh, and if you're saying that the hate talkers have a "conservative" message . . . nah, not so much. The only "message" they have is "listen to me and boost my ratings so that I can make more money." They don't HAVE messages, they just kind of make it up as they go.
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        • Author by PurpleState (January 22, 2010 6:50 pm ET)
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          The problem is that the messenger embraces the message and, at times, personifies it.
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          • Author by Timmee (January 23, 2010 1:33 am ET)
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            Yeah and surprise! Mass doesn't want to help subsidize the less fortunate states of Teabagistan like Alabama and Mississippi...

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        • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 11:16 pm ET)
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          Of course it is about the messanger, because he is sending a false message. Since the message is nonesense so there is no reason to comment on it.
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        • Author by bluestate69 (January 23, 2010 6:47 am ET)
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          and what is beck's "message"?? that democrats are murderers?? great message "right on"!!
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      • Author by loonz (January 22, 2010 4:50 pm ET)
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        They had no talent. It was bound to happen.
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      • Author by vysotsky (January 22, 2010 5:03 pm ET)
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        "How said that Air America has gone off the air..."


        Yes, it is terribly said, indeed.
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      • Author by bintx (January 22, 2010 5:09 pm ET)
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        Never listened . . .
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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (January 23, 2010 12:46 pm ET)
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          air america was too late The righties bought up the most po\werful radio stations around and left the less powerful ones to air america, we used to have it in the DALLAS AERA BUT RECEPTION WAS SO BAD, unlike RIGHTIE radio.
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          • Author by usappa00 (January 24, 2010 3:16 am ET)
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            In San Diego we had Air America for a couple years, until the station changed to another sports station. The ratings went down. In contrast, I can hear comedian Rush Limbaugh and all the right wing fascist blowhards on multiple stations live and tape delayed. Righties have learned radio is a powerful medium to exploit workers. My uncle listens to Rush daily and he retired before he was 60 after a long career at Cal Trans. I guess the irony of blaming the government and working for the government never dawned on him.
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          • Author by nogard (January 24, 2010 11:39 am ET)
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            Or, could it be that the majority of the populace are intelligent, thoughtful and concerned about their future when they actually pay attention, and just didn't want to listen to the same progressive lies, distortions and misinformation they get from the progressive MSM?
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      • Author by pete592 (January 22, 2010 5:16 pm ET)
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        Sad, but not unexpected. Their three biggest names, Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, and Al Franken, were all smart enough to jump ship. Two of them are still on the air and one became a US Senator.
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        • Author by loonz (January 22, 2010 9:24 pm ET)
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          Also, Rachel Maddow went on to bigger and better things.
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          • Author by nogard (January 24, 2010 11:40 am ET)
               
            Yes, she has three or four people tuning in to her msmbc show.
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          • Author by bastiat (January 24, 2010 1:25 pm ET)
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            Yeah, she went from a radio station with ZERO listeners to a TV show with ZERO viewers for more money.
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      • Author by politeradical (January 22, 2010 8:19 pm ET)
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        Truth, reason and rationality can't hold a ratings candle to the insane ramblings of a mental patient with a microphone, plain and simple.
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      • Author by Boxer1979 (January 22, 2010 9:10 pm ET)
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        Air America doomed itself before it got started. Having said that. There is still progressive talk radio on air. Sorry to spoil your celebration.
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      • Author by TJ_rex (January 23, 2010 11:10 am ET)
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        Hey mark here's a simple math problem for you. How can 20 million 912er's surround the rest of us? Being that there are over 308 MILLION in the US that leaves around 208 MILLION and some gaping holes in your kumbaya circle don't you think?
        Now what this really tells us is there are 20 million people who are most likely certifiable or, at the very least, in desperate need of some type of psychiatric help.
        As for Air America, most progressives don't live vicariously through a whack job like Beck and therefore actually have a life and are rational productive members of their communities. So, if your point is a business went off the air and is filing for chapter 7 like thousands of others and that somehow we will be lost without them then I would say you are sadly mistaken.
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    • Author by fantagor (January 22, 2010 4:42 pm ET)
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      When the GOP ran the country (off a cliff), the right would go ballistic when a liberal site had a comment from a random poster implying violence against Bush or Cheney.

      But now that the Democrats are in control, the same tools making hay about a small fry shoot off his mouth regularly use violence-laden analogies targeting Democrats, and this is on TV, not a random internet post.

      Randy
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      • Author by nogard (January 24, 2010 11:47 am ET)
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        Yes Randy. That is why a movie was made about Bush being assassinated while he was in office and hardly a word was said. What do you think the lefts response would be about a movie made concerning obama's assassination? Give it a little logical thought. If successful, you will have become a little more conservative.
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    • Author by Last1Left (January 22, 2010 4:44 pm ET)
         
      This paranoid jackass is what's wrong with America.

      I still support Obama and that's all there is to it.
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    • Author by loonz (January 22, 2010 4:54 pm ET)
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      My teabagger foreman wants me to watch this "shocking" "documentary" and give him my opinion. I'm not a fan of nut cases but I'll watch Beck's show today so I can comment on it.
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    • Author by PennsylvaniaRob (January 22, 2010 4:56 pm ET)
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      The problem that Liberals, Progressives, Obama supporters have with Glenn Beck is that he's telling the truth! He backs up everything he says with a ton of research and he has the facts. Liberals, Progressives and Obama supporters scream and yell that Beck and Fox News are lying, yet they won't go on Fox News or Glenn's show to confront him and prove otherwise! So either go on Fox News and debate the issues and prove Beck wrong, or shut the Hell up!
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    • Author by bintx (January 22, 2010 5:15 pm ET)
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      I'm just curious how Beck can stand to be in the same room with Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer. As card carrying neo-conservatives, they are, by definition, Marxists. Neo-conservatism has its roots in the teachings of Leon Trotsky. I wonder if Beck is going to have anything about the Marxist neo-conservatives who riddled the Bush Administration.
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      • Author by ex-punk (January 24, 2010 1:31 am ET)
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        Yes and thanks to the supreme court decision we are getting the government that Trotsky wanted: the corporations will be the state. Their first ruling will be to get rid of the disclosure law so the people will never know who is getting money from which corporation.
        In a normal world that would anger conservatives.
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      • Author by nogard (January 24, 2010 11:56 am ET)
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        bintx, are you really that ignorant and uniformed? These gentlemen are about as freedom loving as humanly possible. Have you ever actually read or listened to them? How can you ignore the fact that communism's (progressivism) goal was and is to control state media, own/control business, have "single payer" health care and to pretty much relieve the populace of any self determination, responsibility and freedom they may have?
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    • Author by Hepatica (January 22, 2010 5:15 pm ET)
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      Don Quixote Beck tilting at non-existent communist windmills. Also a demonstration of the fact that a little learning can be a dangerous thing.
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    • Author by The_Cat (January 22, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
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      Behold the dark side of the Force. Glenn Beck is trying to perfect the 'peaceful call for violence'. His attempt to overthrow a legitimate government is, in his strange world, actual proof of patriotism. That he offers no alternative, that he has no policy of his own, just makes him seem that much less intelligent to me.

      Somewhere, someone must have done a study. They must have determined that, for psychological reasons, some people don't require a counter-argument. All they need is the proper tone of voice, and repeated assertions about the 'evil' of 'they' or what 'they' are 'doing'. So long as the proper code words are sprinkled into the patter, they will simply accept the assertions as fact, especially when the assertions tend to reinforce their world view. Excited by the possibilities this offered, Glenn Beck could then be offered as the final proof of concept. Now the researchers are just trying to see how far they can go.
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      • Author by Major Tom (January 22, 2010 6:03 pm ET)
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        Glenn Beck is trying to perfect the 'peaceful call for violence'...

        Absolutely... It the same as when he says, "I don't want to believe this, but..." or "I'm not saying he's racist, but this guy is racist."?????

        Please don't be violent... but take your guns, grab a torch... yadda yadda yadda
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        • Author by olgam87 (January 22, 2010 6:45 pm ET)
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          Glenn Beck was a real eye opener tonight. the genocide of the ukraine people is just as horrifying as the holocaust. We need to open our eyes to the truth of what people and goverment is able to accomplicish when we are complicite.
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      • Author by nogard (January 24, 2010 11:58 am ET)
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        So, refute the facts he presented instead of just attempting to sound intelligent and superior.
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    • Author by Media Mumblings (January 22, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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      Collectivism certainly has a blood-drenched history. Fascism is just another branch of collectivism. The German Communist Party in the Reichstag voted with the National Socialists (nazis) over 90 percent of the time. They favored alot of the same economic programs. They thought of economic man in the collectivist sense; they didn't see individuals. All collectivist states are hostile to private property and the concept of the individual.

      I saw Mr. Beck's special. He didn't compare classical liberalism to fascism -- that's absurd. He was comparing modern liberalism with other collectivist ideologies and pointing out the obvious familial resemblances. Do you think that Mr. Goldberg is the first to write about this? There have been many such books with bland titles and bland cover jackets that only get read by academics making many of the same observations. I remember a quote from Hitler praising Mr. Roosevelt's New Deal. Those of you interested in proving me wrong are welcome to google New Deal and Hitler. You'll eventually come across the quote. Of course Adolph and Benito supported the New Deal from across the pond; the New Deal was in keeping with their collectivist philosophies.
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      • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya (January 22, 2010 6:52 pm ET)
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        Fascism is just another branch of collectivism.

        Breathtakingly ignorant.
        ~
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      • Author by Hasa Diga Eebowai (January 22, 2010 6:53 pm ET)
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        Fascism is just another branch of collectivism.
        Wrong.
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      • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 11:04 pm ET)
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        It would have been a little difficult for the communist party in germany to vote along with the nazi's 90% of the time when the first act of Hitler as chancellor was to ban the communist party. And another one of the firsts was to give the Chancellor legislative powers. So there was no vote on anything after Hitler came to power.
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        • Author by usp (January 23, 2010 1:32 am ET)
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          no doubt. stop being so damned stupid! i LIVE in Germany! I know nazis! we still have them! you know what they HATE? PROGRESSIVES!!!!
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      • Author by usp (January 23, 2010 1:31 am ET)
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        all change can cause violence. change happens for a reason. often that reason is one group is totally fed up with the status quo- out come the torches- someone's going to pay...read your history books and...wait, never mind.
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      • Author by sepirothpk (January 23, 2010 4:57 am ET)
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        "Fascism is just another branch of collectivism."
        Actually, no. Completely wrong. Go take an economics class and actually learn what communism means. Then check a dictionary about collectivism
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    • Author by lmn36us (January 22, 2010 6:54 pm ET)
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      mao-smao of course we are! better than gun toting knuckle draggers. all my friens love Chairman Mao. He does so much good for his people.
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      • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 11:23 pm ET)
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        mao-smao of course we are! better than gun toting knuckle draggers. all my friens love Chairman Mao. He does so much good for his people.


        He does? He has been dead for 33 years now.
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        • Author by sepirothpk (January 23, 2010 4:59 am ET)
             
          No, he became a robot just like Hitler... or was that a 90's video game?
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    • Author by BeckPhan (January 22, 2010 7:03 pm ET)
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      Lets admit it. Beck is hitting everything spot on the money in the last 12-16 months. Media Matters has been ALL OVER him. They don't care about O'reily or whatever his face is anymore. Because Beck has influence, charisma, hes real person not some sellout. He calls them how he sees them. If its B.S. Beck calls it B.S. You can always tell who is on fire and telling the truth. All you have to do is see who Media Matters is hammering on the most. I say if you are getting hammered as hard as Beck has been. You are doing damn good. God Bless America.
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    • Author by Freedom 49 (January 22, 2010 7:05 pm ET)
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      What I find shocking is that you are clueless on what Glenn Beck talks about on his show. He is not against the Democrats or pro Republican. He is against the current Progressives agenda to control your health care, the car industry, the banking industry, increasing in your taxes and reducing your freedom all in the name of change. Wake up and smell the roses.
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    • Author by open_mind (January 22, 2010 7:12 pm ET)
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      Well, you see, the dirty little secret that communists, Marxists, and progressives don't want you to know is their system has never ever worked.
      That quote alone is ample evidence that Beck is clueless. What a complete idiot.
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    • Author by MagCynic (January 22, 2010 7:29 pm ET)
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      I don't see the point of MMFA posting anything about Beck's documentary. Everybody knows that whatever Beck does or says will be lambasted by the people on this site. He could make a documentary about how great the Progressive movement has been for America and you all would hate him for it. What really is the point? These MMFA posts about Beck and other conservatives make no difference whatsoever. In fact, it's probably safe to say that more people saw his documentary today than this site all last week.
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      • Author by jose2 (January 22, 2010 7:50 pm ET)
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        One of the first things Hitler did when he came to power was take away guns from private citizens.

        Who wants to take away the guns, Conservatives or Progressives?










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        • Author by politeradical (January 22, 2010 8:28 pm ET)
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          Umm neither.

          Unless you count the brotosaurus howitzers, tactical nukes, satellite lasers, adamantium jacketed hollow point tank killers, and other ridiculously overpowered weapons some conservatives like to hunt with that give progressives pause. (yes I'm being a little sarcastic)

          Nice try though.
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        • Author by usappa00 (January 22, 2010 11:41 pm ET)
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          Nobody wants to take away your guns. By the way, I think Hitler did a little more then just take away people's guns. Hitler and the NAZI's were right wing war mongers who attacked and killed innocent men women and children in order to expand their Nation's power throughout Europe, Africa, and Asia. Nazis believed in homophobia and white racial superiority. Who does that sound like?
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          • Author by sepirothpk (January 23, 2010 5:02 am ET)
               
            Not true, I want to take away his guns. He obviously is too insane to have one.

            Though I am anti-gun. Most people cite safety as why they would have a gun, but this safety wouldn't be so much an issue if others didn't have guns. The logic is messed, because it's saying by letting everyone have weapons, the country would be safer (sort of like MAD) than if no one had guns. Someone is bound to break the stalemate.
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          • Author by guynamedjoe (January 24, 2010 12:49 pm ET)
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            It sounds like progressivism.
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            • Author by usappa00 (January 25, 2010 1:23 am ET)
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              Is that a joke? Who had the southern strategy? Who constantly runs against gay marriage? Who always waves the flag of nationalism? Who wants to racially profile Muslims? Who created the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war? It wasn't progressives.
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        • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 11:44 pm ET)
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          No one wants to take anyone's guns away wingnut. Also, that is a false statement about one of the first thing Hitler did was take guns away from private citizens, except for maybe from the Jews and othe undesirables, but by then the Nazi's had already revoked the Jews' German citizenships.
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        • Author by open_mind (January 23, 2010 12:02 am ET)
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          The Weimar Republic outlawed guns in 1928 many years before Hitler took power. Universal Healthcare was around in Germany well before the Nazis as well. From what I read, Nazi "social welfare" consisted of not much more than stealing from the people they murdered and giving the money to German citizens. That's not like any "welfare" system I have ever seen advocated by a liberal. And the "documentary" gets much wrong. The bank situation was very complicated, but in the end, the banks were complicit with the Nazis by helping confiscate Jewish property and profiting from it themselves! Even if a few NAZI positions could be severely twisted into being described as "progressive", that does not mean the movement as a whole was really progressive.

          Nazism as a whole was a reaction to social movements that were happening at the time such as socialism and communism. Don't forget that the Nazi's perverted Darwinism largely in the same way modern conservatives do today to argue against social welfare - the idea of capitalism being the "survival of the fittest".
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          • Author by usp (January 23, 2010 1:37 am ET)
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            open mind- thanks for setting some of the fact straight.
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          • Author by Rush Dimbulb (January 23, 2010 11:04 am ET)
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            Excellent point re the resemblance of the conservative "survival of the fittest" menality and the Nazi creed. Hitler's idea of "social welfare" was to develop systems of organized murder for ridding society of the mentally feeble, physically deformed or "racially inferior" in a deluded effort to strengthen German blood to better ensure German survival. Naziism was not a progressive movement in any sense of the word.
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        • Author by usp (January 23, 2010 1:35 am ET)
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          funny. i'm a progressive, a gunsmith and own a veritable arsenal of long rifles. i manage to keep them in California *gasp! look forward to returning and going to the range- i'm stunned at your stupidity. <---gun toting liberul that's me...stupid sheep these people are.
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        • Author by Rush Dimbulb (January 23, 2010 10:46 am ET)
             
          Does someone want to provide a citation for the mythical great Nazi gun confiscation effort?
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        • Author by robrepp (January 23, 2010 9:24 pm ET)
             
          who is taking away guns?
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        • Author by The_Cat (January 24, 2010 10:38 pm ET)
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          You seem to assert that Progressives wish to take away guns, jose2. I am likely more 'progressive' than you are, and I am a firm supporter of the right to keep and bear arms. We'll need them, now that the Supreme Court has handed the country over to Big Business, who is the common foe of 90% of the American people. They keep us squabbling amongst ourselves to distract us from this, and Beck here is a prime example. Wake up.
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      • Author by loonz (January 22, 2010 9:27 pm ET)
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        You didn't get the memo? This is a site that highlights and corrects conservative misinformation.
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      • Author by pot (January 22, 2010 10:46 pm ET)
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        Sounds like the right wing. Everybody knows that whatever Obama does or says he will be lambasted by the right wing blog sites. See what I did there? Funny how you complain about the same things your own party does to others. Another one of those pesky double standards.
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    • Author by dressseller (January 22, 2010 7:34 pm ET)
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      The wonderfully simple solution to barry's problems are for him and all like-minded marxists/communists to just L_E_A_V_E. ...gooooo. ...don't let the screen door hit you on the way out. I'm completely certain there are many dictators waiting with open arms to receive you. But ..for the love of God ..leave America for us ..the ones who appreciate the principles it was founded upon and who don't want to see it denegrated and destroyed. America is one of a kind. She is great and she is being destroyed from within. You can choose from many countries who offer what you want. We only have America. Will you just do that? ...GOOOooooooo. Please. But.. ..of course you won't go. Evil is never satisfied with 'most' of anything. Evil seeks to devour and destroy all. Glenn is right in what he implies and outright says... This regime is evil and it's about time God-fearing Americans woke up and fought back against this evil. ...Because it will not leave on it's own.
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    • Author by Boarfog (January 22, 2010 7:38 pm ET)
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      Please point out where he is wrong....NO, not your personal attack against him, just what did he say that was factually incorrect???
      Boing......NOTHING!!!
      What I find shocking is all the hateful, personal, attacks the left produces when they can't win an arguement. Well, tht explains the bye bye to Air Anti-America

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    • Author by politeradical (January 22, 2010 8:14 pm ET)
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      Lol the high school graduate fancies himself an educator?

      His Skousen inspired paranoid delusions of seeing commies everywhere would be cute if he wasn't so dangerous.
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    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (January 22, 2010 8:33 pm ET)
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      "Beck suggests Obama in danger from his advisers: "Dear God, protect our president." Discussing former White House adviser Van Jones, Beck asked, "Do you think it's safe to have an individual like that around the president of the United States? Are you comfortable with that?" Beck concluded: "Please pray for our Secret Service, make sure that they do their job. Dear God, protect our president." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 1/21/2010]"

      Is the man being disingenious or trying a little satire?
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      • Author by MagCynic (January 22, 2010 8:40 pm ET)
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        It's simple. He doesn't want our President harmed or killed. That would be a catastrophe.
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        • Author by Max Credits (January 22, 2010 8:50 pm ET)
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          And he thinks the president hates white people and white culture. He also thinks the president is destroying his county, which he just loves so much so of course he does not want anything bad to happen to the man he claims hates white people and is destroying America. So simple indeed.
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          • Author by MagCynic (January 22, 2010 9:16 pm ET)
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            Indeed it is. The only reason it wouldn't be simple is if you form your opinion on Beck based on what you read on sites like this.

            It seems as if everyone on this site knows more of Beck's inner thoughts than Beck himself. You guys are experts on Beck, aren't 'cha?
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            • Author by Max Credits (January 22, 2010 9:28 pm ET)
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              So Beck does not think the president is a racist who's destroying his country?
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              • Author by MagCynic (January 22, 2010 9:30 pm ET)
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                The President does have racist beliefs, yes. His policies may one day lead to the downfall of this country, yes. Now you tell me where you think Beck wants Obama assassinated. Do you have any clue who Beck actually is? Do you watch him regularly or do you just keep tabs on him from sites like MMFA?
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                • Author by Max Credits (January 22, 2010 9:43 pm ET)
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                  I'm just trying to follow your logic that Beck thinks it would be a catastrophe if Obama was stopped by force from destroying America. It's just odd.
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                  • Author by usp (January 23, 2010 1:40 am ET)
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                    you can't follow the 'logic' when it's lacking- follow the stream of urine running down MagCynic's leg...pure fear.
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 23, 2010 5:41 pm ET)
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                    And you just got to the obvious point that Mag and his ilk will never let themselves get to. Now that you have forced him to re-think the preposterous ideas he has allowed himself to be spoonfed by Beck and Fox News and hate radio, he will move onto the next thread to avoid having to face his nonsensical belief system.
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                • Author by loonz (January 22, 2010 9:44 pm ET)
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                  What racist beliefs does Obama have?

                  Now you tell me where you think Beck wants Obama assassinated. Do you have any clue who Beck actually is?


                  The nut case is constantly equating the president's administration with some of the most brutal regimes in history. Some of his gun toting nut case followers may attempt to stop such an administration so yes he wants the president assassinated.
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                  • Author by MagCynic (January 22, 2010 10:01 pm ET)
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                    You clearly don't actually listen to him regularly.
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                    • Author by loonz (January 22, 2010 10:21 pm ET)
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                      I listen to the clips.
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                      • Author by MagCynic (January 22, 2010 11:23 pm ET)
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                        Exactly. You listen to maybe 5 minutes total out of his entire 4 hours of content he produces five days a week. Do you honestly believe you can form a just impression of him with such a small basis?
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                        • Author by loonz (January 22, 2010 11:44 pm ET)
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                          In those five minutes he sounds like a complete psycho and you want me to watch more of it? Are you on drugs?
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                        • Author by Onyxcat (January 23, 2010 11:12 am ET)
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                          4 HOURS1 !?! I thought it was 3, which I think is bad enough. But listening to one person pontificate for 4 hours? No way.
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                        • Author by Ruby (January 24, 2010 11:02 am ET)
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                          I do watch Beck regularly.

                          I watched with my dad the other night. He's a conservative libertarian (although he tends to be more socially liberal--pro-gay marriage and stuff like that). We have a lot of fun arguing about politics. But anyways, while we were watching my dad turned to me and goes (direct quote), "That man would have you believe it's time to get your gun".
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                    • Author by sepirothpk (January 23, 2010 5:05 am ET)
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                      I wouldn't listen to a nutbag regularly either
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                • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 11:26 pm ET)
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                  What are these racist beliefs of the multi-racial president could be considered racist? Which half of himself does he hate?
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                • Author by open_mind (January 23, 2010 12:08 pm ET)
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                  You are welcome to believe what you want. It's just another opinion. Beck's propaganda seems to be pretty effective on some folks. In the end, you're only making a fool of yourself and hurting your own side by believing something that is not supportable by relevant facts or observations.
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                • Author by pmacdone7867 (January 23, 2010 6:14 pm ET)
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                  So, what are these racist beliefs you are talking about?
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                • Author by robrepp (January 23, 2010 9:35 pm ET)
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                  I heard beck ranting about coming for Obama with his "real americans". He said it and many times.
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            • Author by loonz (January 22, 2010 9:28 pm ET)
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              Quite frankly, the guy is a nut case.
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            • Author by open_mind (January 23, 2010 3:09 pm ET)
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              It seems as if everyone on this site knows more of Beck's inner thoughts than Beck himself.
              Nope. We know what Beck is thinking by quoting his every word. Conservatives pull the mind-reading stuff - using "guilt by association", strawmen and false allegations as the crux of their arguments. If the right truly does not want violence, then you would think they would choose their words much more carefully and shun their shoddy attempts at "logic". They aren't showing any signs of curtailing that at all.
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            • Author by robrepp (January 23, 2010 9:34 pm ET)
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              I have listened to beck fairly regularly. What you read on this site represents what I hear on his show.
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        • Author by snoopy (January 22, 2010 10:26 pm ET)
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          He doesn't want Obama harmed or killed? When did that message change?
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        • Author by usp (January 23, 2010 1:38 am ET)
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          it would NOT be a catastrophe for fox- think of the ad revenue!!! i'm sure spontaneous tea drinking parties would break out all over the country and they would be featured on fox
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    • Author by proudconservative (January 22, 2010 10:10 pm ET)
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      Gee, wasn't it "progressive" woodrow wilson that decided it would be a good idea to cleanse the capitol from those who he deemed racially inferior?

      Wilson took his southern outlooks and feelings towards race with him to the White House. Almost upon taking office, he fired most of the African Americans who held posts within the federal government, and segregated the Navy, which until then had been desegregated. Many of the newly segregated parts of Wilson’s federal government would remain so, clear into the 1950s.


      And by all accounts, the first progressive seemed to know a thing or two about violently repressing free thought during his time in office...

      Defending Freedom via the Abolition Thereof

      All free communication came to an end. People were arrested and indicted for casual remarks made in private conversation. It was not the New Left of the 1960s that actually invented the claim that the personal is the political – it was the United States government.

      A great wave of repression came down on "the freest people in the world," as Americans liked to call themselves. Government gumshoes, federal, state, and local, delighted in following up idle charges of "disloyalty," "treason," "pro-Germanism," and "slacking." Legislatures outlawed the teaching of the German language and the public performance of music by such dangerous Teutons as Beethoven. Wilson and the administration – in charge of the enlarged federal apparatus of repression – encouraged, aided, and abetted local efforts, including those of self-appointed, hyperthyroid "patriotic" snoops and bullies. Tarring and feathering came back in style for those accused of the "crimes" mentioned above. Here and there, a local Barney Fife, or an Army officer who hadn’t quite made it over to Northern France, would shoot a "traitor" for saying the wrong thing in a public place. The hero would then be tried for it, acquitted, and finally, lionized in the moronic press.
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      • Author by proudconservative (January 22, 2010 10:15 pm ET)
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        Me and about 100,000 citizens wilson placed into 'training camps' are feeling the love that progressives throughout the last century, foisted upon mankind.

        Speaking truth to/about progressive with a shout out to the millions of people that progressivism/socialism/communism has literally loved to death in the 1900's!
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        • Author by snoopy (January 22, 2010 10:29 pm ET)
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          Please share pictures of those "training camps" you were at. I'd love to see one! Be sure to point out your bright shining face in the pic, OK?
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          • Author by usp (January 23, 2010 1:41 am ET)
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            maybe she has a facebook page we could all check out. that would be neat.
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        • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 11:39 pm ET)
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          So you were alive in 1917 and old enough to be placed into a "training camp?" Wow, you must be really old, around 100 or so.
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        • Author by open_mind (January 23, 2010 3:01 pm ET)
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          Yawn. ProudConservative, why don't you post something relevant to the conversation for once?
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      • Author by loonz (January 22, 2010 10:35 pm ET)
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        I don't know what your point is. The South was racist; it didn't matter if you were Democrat or republican.

        To your second comment, rights usually get thrown under the bus in times of war. Have you already forgotten the Bush era?
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      • Author by snoopy (January 22, 2010 10:54 pm ET)
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        That's a lot of deflection. That's ok, we understand. You want to help your racist fascist pal Glenn cover up the monster he personally created:

        Dyer cropped up again in the news -- this time in the police blotter for allegedly raping a 7-year-old girl:

        An ex-military man has been arrested on charges of rape of a child and forcible sodomy.

        Charles Alan Dyer, 29, of Marlow, was arrested Tuesday afternoon by Stephens County Sheriff’s deputies, said Sheriff Wayne McKinney. Dyer served in the United States Marines in Iraq.

        Oh, and guess what police found when they searched his home:

        During the search the sheriff’s deputies noted several firearms and a device believed to be a Colt M-203, 40-millimeter grenade launcher, a complaint filed in the United States District Court of Western Oklahoma by Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco Special Agent Brett Williams said.

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      • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 11:37 pm ET)
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        hey wingnut, you forgot to include this quote from you link:

        Are there any parallels to the present situation, since Tuesday? There may be, but this is not the time for them. My main interest is in whether or not the geniuses who helped bring about the latest crisis will feel a need to suppress all possible criticism. I suppose we could get used to being silenced. It will be very difficult, however, if they cross the line and demand that we agree with them. If they do that, all bets are off, the Van Creveld thesis about legitimacy comes into play, and we’ll all be regretting any number of past historical turning points and wondering which one of them was most important in bringing about the final unraveling of the American story.

        When I first composed this piece, I thought that I had perhaps used the word "moron" too many times. Now comes word that some cretin has managed to murder a Sikh, and another fool has disposed of a Pakistani. Looking for an unarmed, inoffensive Arab to kill, the bozos can't even get that right. Morons.


        Also, you fail to mention that the author of this article is name Joseph Stromberg and he is the JoAnn B. Rothbard Historian in Residence at the Ludwig von Mises Institute. He is of German heritage and this fact probably made him skew his article to portray those "helpless" Germans in a more sympathetic light.
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      • Author by sepirothpk (January 23, 2010 5:08 am ET)
           
        Pointing out one (also represented as 1, I, -, etc.) bad apple in a group is not really a strong argument.
        However a lot of bad apples amongst conservatives have been demonstrated on a regular basis.
        In the end, however, not everyone from either side are good or bad people. They have different views, but that does not mean they can fit exactly on a linear scale.
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      • Author by Rush Dimbulb (January 23, 2010 11:11 am ET)
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        Hmmm. Wilson's Southern racism was part of his "progressive" beliefs? Wow. I had no idea the KKK was a progressive group. Wow.
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      • Author by robrepp (January 23, 2010 9:46 pm ET)
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        And how does this description of wilsons administration fit with any liberal or progressive that you have ever known? This sounds like the constant and desperate comparisons to the nazis that the rushettes dream up.
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    • Author by loonz (January 22, 2010 10:20 pm ET)
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      Here's the text message exchange I had with my foreman while watching the "documentary":

      Me: I'm watching the "documentary". It's comical. Some of the quotes seems like they were lifted from the right-wingers of today

      Foreman: Keep watching

      Me: He's talking about the purity Hitler wanted. Isn't the right concerned about America becoming less White?

      Foreman: You're a racist

      Me: I love everyone - Black, White, Brown, Christian, Jewish, Atheists, Straight, gay, rich, poor.

      Me: I forgot about Muslims [My foreman hates Muslims].

      Me: Now he's talking about about starvation. No one left wants anyone to starve. On the other hand, Republicans wouldn't care.

      Me: The left in this country believes in moral relativism. The right wants people to follow their morals.

      Foreman: And?

      Me: He was talking about Che banning certain kinds of music because it didn't fit his morality

      Me: Execution - something most on the left don't support for anyone

      Foreman: Wait for healthcare reform

      Me: It's probably dead. It was a big giant subsidy to the health insurance industry anyway.

      Foreman: I agree

      Me: Again, he's conflating economic policies with political policies. Notify me when the other parts are coming on.

      Foreman: Ok

      Me: When I use to watch TV, I watched FNC all the time but the rhetoric started to become more and more vitriolic and I couldn't watch it anymore.

      Foreman: Try Beck, he's about the facts

      Me: He uses some facts to come up with the most bizarre conspiracy theories.

      Me: Beck is either a lunatic or a genius because he's making a ton of money right now.
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      • Author by John Paradox (January 22, 2010 11:43 pm ET)
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        Beck is either a lunatic or a genius because he's making a ton of money right now.

        Not necessarily exclusive. How about A Beautiful Mind?
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        • Author by me ne frego (January 23, 2010 12:13 am ET)
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          Here, Here!
          Med Mat seems to be making this Beck fellow a national hero/villain/phenom. Why cover every word he says, don't you think he get enough coverage. If telling the truth was important our Presidents would never speak in front of a camera, ever.
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      • Author by tibbyguy17 (January 23, 2010 5:06 am ET)
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        You people have the most constrewed view of this man. In this documentary he is not comparing che, mao, hitler and all those other lunatics' policies to our policies. What he is doing is showing everyone what kind of people are idealized by the people on the left side. You are so blinded by the difference in democrat and republican that you have looked right past the difference in radical left and progressive. That is what is being shown in this documentary. How the radical lefts surrounding obama are worshiping these crazed communist morons. I don't know how he is going to tie all this into progressive movement but I will wait and see what he has to say before go off ranting and raving on some website to some strangers.
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      • Author by Sharpe (January 23, 2010 6:06 pm ET)
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        Ha! good post! Sounds about right.
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    • Author by donwelty (January 23, 2010 4:31 am ET)
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      I saw the documentary at another website:

      http://raymondpronk.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/glenn-becks-documentary-on-the-collectivists-marxists-socialists-progressives-communists-fascists-national-socialists-progressive-radical-socialists-of-the-democratic-and-republican-parties/

      The documentary lumps together communists, nazis and progressives.

      Although the information is disturbing, it is available from other historical sources. Beck says Nazis and Communists in Russia and other places were nasty people who killed off a lot of their own citizens. But that's history not news. There were people in America who spoke highly of Nazis and Communists--Hitler, stalin, Mao, Che Guevara--So what? Dictators, no matter what you label them apparently suffer from the same paranoia and nastiness toward people.

      What Stalin and Hitler said were similar. So what? They had the same methods. So what? There were prominent Americans that lauded them. So What? All that shows is that nasty people in charge are nasty people and that Some Americans over the years have been misinformed and have spoken highly of these nasty people in power--that will still continue.

      Beck labels and says that Communists and Nazis are similar. Any idiot can come to that conclusion. Beck shows Reagon as saying that government is the problem--and says that is the conservative, right wing approach--implying that non right wingers advocate government and by implication methods of totalitarian dictatorships.

      If Beck had any brains, he would conclude that all dictatorships are similar, that labels are unimportant, and that it is the methods and not the labels that we should look at for historical perspective. What about the dictatorships in Saudia Arabia, Iran, Venezuela, for example, are similar.

      He will not conclude that these governments lie and ignore what we call civil rights. He will also not conclude that far right and far left governments often use the same repressive techniques. He will certainly not conclude that his methods of lying, fear mongering, paranoia, name calling are more like the tactis of repressive regimes than any tactics of the Obama administration. He will not also conclude that his ideology is in any way similar to those repressive regimes, as his supposed documentary points out.

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      • Author by MagCynic (January 23, 2010 9:44 am ET)
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        All he was doing was setting the record straight on the myth that fascism and Nazism are somehow political families of the right. He's probably also making a warning about what someday could happen even in America if the government is allowed to grow and grow in power and scope. Someday down the line someone like a Hitler or a Mussolini or a Stalin could take that power and cause chaos. Contrast that with conservative ideology which seeks to limit and constrain government power to prevent tyranny like that.
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        • Author by Rush Dimbulb (January 23, 2010 11:21 am ET)
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          Which side, conservative or "progressive" is always wanting to increase the size of military? Which of the totalitarian movements mentioned advocated cutting excessive military spending not needed for defensive purposes? What element of government is used to establish a totalitarian tyranny?
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        • Author by PJBurke (January 23, 2010 11:24 am ET)
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          All such whining from reich-wingers will never change the established historical-political fact: both fascism and its Nazi variant are located at the far right of the political spectrum.

          "Set the record straight," indeed.

          Dippy Beck's dippy source, Jonah Goldberg, doesn't cite nor reference (in his laughable screed) even one Italian source nor one German source. How can anyone even make the claim with a straight face that they are attempting an historical explanation of fascism without consulting the primary sources from those countries where fascism was the ruling order?

          Fascism was an ultra-nationalist, uber-patriotic, militaristic (and wildly enthusiastic for unprovoked 'preemptive' wars), violently repressive of dissent, violently hostile to diversity (of all kinds) to the point of openly denying the inherent worth and dignity of all humans (a canonical truth for all Liberals), and were violently disdainful of intellectualism, learning, and the arts. Who is it in this country that sounds more like this than the Reich Wing?

          It is Reich Wingers who burn books, murder gays, murder liberals (in their churches, no less), murder doctors who refuse to follow their peculiar religion's nonsense, murder outspoken civil rights leaders (and workers), murder liberal radio hosts (Alan Berg), and it was Reich Wingers who cheered on the launch of an unprovoked 'preemptive' war based on lies and cheered on the widespread torture and murder-by-torture of innocents just because they were scary-brown-and-hairy and reject the divinity of Jesus.

          Just this short list shows Fascists to be more akin to the Reich Wing than anything on the political Left.
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        • Author by loonz (January 23, 2010 12:08 pm ET)
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          What someone like you needs to worry about is the growth of nationalism, militarism and the expansion of police powers. You don't have worry about that during a Democratic administration. On the other hand, conservatives have an affinity for things those things.
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          • Author by MagCynic (January 23, 2010 3:35 pm ET)
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            Name one conservative that has ever done any of those things. All three of those things run counter to conservative thinking. Anybody that promotes those things isn't a conservative.
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            • Author by loonz (January 23, 2010 4:00 pm ET)
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              I would say the Bush administration came the closest to what all those dictators espouse: nationalism, preemptive war and invasion, militarism, curtailing of speech and privacy rights, torture, death, etc. A lot of conservatives were also advocating that we drop nukes on the Middle East which would have amounted to genocide.
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              • Author by MagCynic (January 23, 2010 5:28 pm ET)
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                1. Bush was no conservative.
                2. A lot of conservatives were advocating that we drop nukes on the Middle East? How many is "a lot"? Who are these supposed conservatives? Can you find quotes? Even if you do find one weirdo who claims to be a conservative, is that really enough to characterize the entire movement?
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 23, 2010 5:48 pm ET)
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                  Classic right-winger. Never heard of this Bush character and the conservatives never supported pre-emptive strikes in the Middle East. Classic denial.
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                  • Author by MagCynic (January 23, 2010 5:52 pm ET)
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                    So because some conservatives supported Bush's pre-emptive strikes (a policy that makes sense by the way given CORRECT intelligence) that means Bush himself is conservative? What's the phrase, again? Correlation does not imply causation.

                    If you think Bush was a conservative you need to research conservatism more. Bush was no conservative.
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                    • Author by Sharpe (January 23, 2010 6:12 pm ET)
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                      The results are in - George W was a dbag and probably going down as one of the worst presidents in american history. So its understandable why conservatives would want to distance themselves from him but if you asked George W how he defined his political affiliation, I have no doubt he would call himself a conservative. Your right in that he was inept when it came to fiscal responsibility and yet, I heard no cries of outrage about this from Faux noise or ANY CONSERVATIVE OR REPUBLICAN IVE EVER MET!
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                      • Author by MagCynic (January 23, 2010 6:39 pm ET)
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                        Beck criticized him numerous times about his fiscal policies. I'm sorry for you if you don't listen to him outside of the short clips posted on this site.

                        if you asked George W how he defined his political affiliation, I have no doubt he would call himself a conservative


                        Ugh. Really? That's your greatest argument in proving Bush governed as a conservative?

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                        • Author by Disputed Zone (January 23, 2010 7:10 pm ET)
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                          I don't know who loved Bush more: social conservatives, business conservatives or neoconservatives. From the beginning, they thought he was the second coming of St. Ronnie.

                          Unfortunately, he governed like Reagan, with predictably disastrous results. It was only when it became too hard to defend Bush without looking like a complete fool that righties started saying that Bush wasn't really a conservative.
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                          • Author by MagCynic (January 23, 2010 7:12 pm ET)
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                            It doesn't matter what any of us say about whether Bush was a conservative. He didn't govern like a conservative. Actions speak louder than words.
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                            • Author by loonz (January 23, 2010 10:09 pm ET)
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                              He governed like a conservative would - constant war, increased militancy, torture, death and destruction, curtailing of rights, etc. That's conservatism in a nutshell.
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                              • Author by tuersm3856 (January 23, 2010 10:27 pm ET)
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                                So Obama is a conservative? By the way, you need to replace the word "conservative" with "right wing." Real conservatives stand for none of what you've just described.
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                              • Author by loonz (January 23, 2010 10:29 pm ET)
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                                The only real conservative trait that GWB lacked (in my opinion) was xenophobia.
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                                • Author by didi (January 24, 2010 7:47 pm ET)
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                                  The only real conservative trait that GWB lacked (in my opinion) was xenophobia.
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                                  He didn't know how to spell it.
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                            • Author by Disputed Zone (January 23, 2010 11:11 pm ET)
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                              He didn't govern like a conservative.

                              Other conservatives would disagree with you. Bush remains relatively popular with conservatives and very popular with Republican conservatives. Social conservatives, neoconservatives, big business conservatives, and country club conservatives all got pretty much everything they wanted from Bush.

                              The big complaint is the fiscal irreponsibility, which, judging by recent history is a feature of conservative presidencies, not a bug. Remember, when a conservative is president, deficits don't matter.
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                          • Author by Indypendent (January 24, 2010 9:40 am ET)
                               
                            Stubborn fact, the growth of Gov't spending actually decreased in the Reagan years, under Bush it incresaed by 33%. Bush was/is a progressive.
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                    • Author by Reinhard (January 24, 2010 10:21 am ET)
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                      Ah, the " No true Scotsman" defense.That old chestnut. Bush claimed he was a conservative. Why wasn't he? Perhaps because his actions and policies didn't adhere to the tenets of conservatism? Much in the same way that fascist dictators claimed they were for the people- socialist, communist, etc., even though they didn't adhere to the tenets of socialism or communism and were definitely not for the people? Isn't it ironic given the current discussion that you and Beck argue?

                      Reinhard
                      Support the War! Raise Taxes!
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        • Author by Sharpe (January 23, 2010 6:09 pm ET)
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          Classically, people said fascism was right and communism was left. I dont think many americans really agree with either of those. He was not clarifying the myth, he was purported another myth ie that both facsism and communist USSR were somehow today's liberalism or progressivism in america which is laughable. I dont think anyone with a solid foundation in world history - masters, phd, other significant level of higher learning would agree with this. Beck is certainly no expert on history. I dont know why he thinks he should be the one to teach people about history. He is just distorting history to fit his own personal agenda or that of faux noise.
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    • Author by bluestate69 (January 23, 2010 6:32 am ET)
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      about this history of violence that beck is going to "unearth". it pertains to obama how???? under his logic(logic is a stretch!!), because a lot of KKK members are republican, that means that all republicans are KKK members. Beck seems to want, desperately, to link the democrats to past atrocities, and in that, linking democratic policies to those past atrocities. so, if you receive social security or medicare, or wic, then you are supporting death squads in the former soviet union. beck never truly debates the issues, he just demonizes the other side, which is a form of "scapegoating", which leads to "profiling", which leads to "mass killings". the terrorists that attacked this country are "religious", and so is glenn beck. "faith" is a big part of beck's life, and it's also a big part of osama bin laden's life!!!!!!!! osama is willing to murder for his god!! so, that means that beck is a murderer too!!
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    • Author by j238 (January 23, 2010 6:57 am ET)
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      I sent an email to sponsor Carbonite, where I have been a long-term client, expressing my concern over their sponsorship of Glenn Beck. Haven't heard back from them yet.
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    • Author by tuersm3856 (January 23, 2010 7:06 am ET)
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      Unfortunately, this seems to be a collection of the dry drunk's more accurate statements. Will someone please tell him to shut up?

      Our best strategy is to keep the vision of people like Bernard Shaw secret until the police state grid is fully in place and Americans are fully impoverished. Only when there is no escape can this great new society arise.
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      • Author by donwelty (January 23, 2010 2:39 pm ET)
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        Charles Lindberg wanted America to lie down because he was impressed with the Germany of the Nazis. Henry Ford was anti Jewish and is mentioned in Mein Kampf. George Bernard Shaw made some remarks, as Beck's alleged documentary shows that supported totalitarian regimes. A number of Americans went to live in the Soviet Union during the 1930s because they expected it to be better for them than life in the US. I have at times in my life made comments that were insensitive and contrary to what I believe is important now.

        We are all complicated individuals and we are rarely all one way. I don't like Ford's political ideas, but he invented manufacturing on a large scale--and his methods were improved. Lindberg is an American hero. G. B. Shaw was a great English writer. I have become more sensitive to a lot of groups. It is said that under Mussolini, the trains ran on time--one positive aspect of the regime.
        I abhor Beck's current positions, but maybe he's nice to his dog.
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    • Author by Sharpe (January 23, 2010 10:37 am ET)
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      This guy is such an f'in tool. He is calling himself a progressive hunter now - like nazi hunter? Waay to completely belittle one of the most horrific tragedies in human history beck!!!! You cant compare liberalism to nazism. You are making a mockery out of yourself. Liberals never committed genocide - we are almost unilaterally opposed to torture and wiretaps. THESE ARE NOT NAZI IDEAS HERE MORON!!!!! What a tool? He is an embarassment to this country and really just to the human race. Some do us a favor and force this idiot into a psychiatric center - rules are if you are a harm to others or yourself you can be checked in involuntarily. Beck is clearly one and may be both! He needs some help - counseling, drugs, whatever. Just stop talking already. It was one thing bashing obama because that is what media do - they bash the people in government. Of course, beck took it to a whole new level but whatever. I could deal. But now he is comparing at least a third or more americans to nazis. That is f'in retarded! yOU WANT TO CATCH A LIBERAL BECKY? COME GET US YOU PIECE OF $##(. i AM SO disgusted with this guy as a jew and as a liberal.
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    • Author by Sharpe (January 23, 2010 12:05 pm ET)
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      Who does beck think progressives are? We are just americans who want and advocate for changes to the status quo. I dont know how he can continue to talk this way about a significant chunk of this country.

      What was the soviet genocide becky talks about? Is he referring to the gulag or the purges? I really dont think anyone is trying to hard to hide the atrocities committed by stalin. I mean it is all over US history books. I have never, ever heard anyone say that stalin was a good leader or made the USSR better in some way.

      Becky thinks that someone is hiding info about the USSR nearly 20 years later? One, why would they? Two, no one actually respects any of the soviet leaders enough to conceal the truth if an atrocity was committed? And three, there is a tremendous amount of info out there on how bad the soviet union was. Unfortunately, it was a totalitarian dictatorship that has nothing to do with liberalism or progressivism in america. Just look at a source as readily accessible as wikipedia -

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag describing everything from conditions of the work camps to the number of people deported and exiled, to the influence and each period in which it played a role in the USSR.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge discusses the sweeping purges enacted by stalin. This article also has tremendous detail.

      In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism, wikipedia goes so far as to say stalinism is ALMOST NEVER used in a positive light. And was more like red fascism than socialism or communism.

      What does beck know after his high school social studies classes that the pHDs in history and life-long academics of history dont know...
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      • Author by HeeNow (January 23, 2010 4:06 pm ET)
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        I'm not really sure who you think you are.

        1. You can't spell. I know it's the web, but if you can't spell and use capitalization correctly, you are automatically dismissed. Get it together, please!

        2. You quote Wikipedia incessantly. Don't you know that Wikipedia articles about historical figures are distorted by "facts" from both the fanboys and the detractors of such figures? Just look up Che Guevara for an example.

        3. You somehow think a PhD or academic in history is an "expert". Puhleeze. Nobody in academia has ever experienced real life in the countries they study. Try to sell a heart monitor to India. Try to sell steel to Japan. Try to sell Google to China. Try to sell Fords to Russia. Academics don't know a thing about the history of these nations. They simply regurgitate. I'd rather listen to a salesman in a pub than an academic at a university...I'll learn a helluva lot more.
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        • Author by loonz (January 23, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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          Are you serious? You'd rather listen to a salesman than an academic?
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          • Author by Disputed Zone (January 23, 2010 4:48 pm ET)
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            Pretty crazy, but at least he didn't make any spelling or punctuation mistakes.

            Oh, wait. He did. Automatically dismissed.
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          • Author by austinmrk (January 24, 2010 9:54 am ET)
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            Your academic holds what beliefs? Do academics mislead? Is the salesman dealing in facts?
            Kind of depends upon you point of view doesn't it?
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        • Author by Sharpe (January 23, 2010 6:18 pm ET)
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          I am not writing my thesis. It is a post on the web - proper spelling is not a requirement here. Who really cares? You understood my basic points despite the errors. So you just dismiss those who dedicate their whole lives to the study of world history but would listen to glen beck's truth? Please. That kind of comment should result in automatic dismissal. You think corporate CEOs who do business with other countries actually know the histories of those countries. How about pulling your head out of your @$$?
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        • Author by sepirothpk (January 24, 2010 8:32 pm ET)
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          They would know more about it than a guy in a bar since they study the history. They might not have experienced it but neither has that salesman, so the Academic has an advantage while the salesman has...what?
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      • Author by austinmrk (January 24, 2010 9:50 am ET)
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        Sharpe,

        Am concerned about your definition of Progressive! Progressive doesn't mean change from the status quo rather it is a belief that government should control everything. Progressive term was abandoned in favor of the term Liberal somewhere in the late 20's - 30's.

        Believe that if you use the "Government control everything" definition you can link Tryanny, as total government control, to the Progressive ideals of the early 20th century.

        So what is your definition of Progressive?

        Here is one to look at:
        "Progressives looked beyond the world they lived in to advocate for a new economic order, something different from either capitalism or communism. In bold, confident terms, Progressivism argued that an activist government should exercise economic sovereignty and engage in economic planning, and regulate, nationalize, or abolish the great industrial corporations of the day."
        Quote from another source and best summarizes what is available.

        Kind of sounds like the way Presidents and Congresses have and are acting. And I hope you don't describe yourself as this type of Progressive.
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    • Author by Indypendent (January 23, 2010 2:20 pm ET)
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      It really is about nothing more than Heroes. Who are they? What do they stand for? Most of us gravitate to our Founders, Religious or Military. Most have fairly traditional values and espouse what is best for this country. In Beck's case he elects to chastise those in power who follow the idealogical bent of Mao, Che, Chavez, etc. We are all free to follow anyone we wish, but the vast majority of Americans have little to nothing in common with the latter and find it offensive when they who have threatened this great country are given so much credence by those in power. Follow them, publicize your admiration of them and watch how rapidly your coalition evaporates, ie. MA. I have been a registered Dem most of my life and desire the party of Truman, Kennedy. Please come home.
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    • Author by MaineiacMan (January 23, 2010 4:07 pm ET)
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      Wow, he did a very detailed one hour documentary on the roots of progressivism. I dont see an MMfA 'facts' debunking any of the message....just the messenger. Chris Mattherws hero, Alinski would be proud of you. Continue to shout him down, as loud as you can!
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      • Author by loonz (January 23, 2010 4:23 pm ET)
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        The "documentary" basically said the Stalin, Mao, Hitler and progressivism are compatible without mentioning what made them compatible. I would agree that all these dictators have conservative traits which made them so brutal and indifferent.
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        • Author by eb (January 23, 2010 5:35 pm ET)
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          Its funny how conservatives want to play the “association game” with progressives yet fail to realize how bad they come out when you validate any and all loose associations.

          Kids, don’t try this at home – its moronic but here goes anyway:

          Beck is a Mormon, right? Mormons have a past of racial discrimination against African Americans. Hitler also discriminated against racial groups. Also many Mormons are conservative republicans. The modern conservative republican movement traces back to Nixon’s “southern strategy” which allied with disaffected Whites who resisted civil rights. Woodrow Wilson resisted civil rights… Remember Wilson = Hitler/Stalin…

          This might be a fun game but it belongs in the sand box. I certainly don't think this way because its distorted, hateful and disfunctional.

          Progressives tend to see a government role in society, so do totalitarians, authoritarians, petty authoritarians, police, entrepreneurs, teachers, social workers, pastors etc…

          It must be a lonely world to think you are surrounded by violent commie fascist progressives. Everywhere you go... surrounded...

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    • Author by mauka (January 23, 2010 5:42 pm ET)
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      What a bunch of sheep.
      You only serve one purpose-to keep sites like media matters alive. They, just like Fox News feed the fires of national division.

      The most obvious shortcoming of mankind is that he will always seek out an enemy to justify his existence.
      How morally bankrupt is that...

      Go do something that honestly benefits your nieghbor instead of calling them names.
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    • Author by usappa00 (January 23, 2010 10:55 pm ET)
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      Progressives had to change the course of history by changing history itself. If you can convince people that killers are cool, and get them to wear a t-shirt, you'll win their hearts and minds.
      Our military, political and economic system systematically enslaved blacks, committed genocide on American Indians, killed millions in the Philippines, killed millions in Vietnam, killed over 250,000 people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, supported corrupt drug cartel dictatorships throughout Latin America that committed mass killings on the populous and brought drugs into the U.S., continue to support corrupt regimes throughout the middle east, Asia, and Africa that continue to suppress the populous, and killed thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is the real history of the United States of America that is hidden or glossed over in our history books. Progressives are the ones who understand this history and want to change our future.
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    • Author by Ginny10 (January 24, 2010 10:01 am ET)
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      I watched almost all those programs quoted live, and I commend Beck for his boldness in grabbing people's attention--he's in the business of doing so. Where in the media is ANYONE pointing out that Andy Stern from SEIU is at the top of the list of visitors to the White House, the Andy Stern who likes to quote, "Workers of the World Unite"? Excuse me? And Van Jones, a felon who said he came out of prison a Communist?? I have WAY more of a problem with that then Glenn Beck's show. These are the kind of things that people aren't aware of, but Beck is simply quoting these people--you decide what you think about it.

      And I also don't see anyone else debunking ridiculous Hollywood types getting national coverage in their Che shirts. You know, the Michael Moores and musicians of our country who are getting face time with our kids teaching them how great Castro's Cuba is? Where's the outrage on that?
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    • Author by gmc17gmc (January 24, 2010 12:53 pm ET)
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      Can anyone repudiate any of the facts presented by Mr. Beck? If not I would say we need to look at why this is not taught in our public schools. I profess to being a physical conservative and a social liberal (not progressive), and I feel both the Democrats and Republicans have left me. I suggest we vote all the bums (incumbents) out and start fresh.
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    • Author by clearstate (January 24, 2010 1:21 pm ET)
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      See how easy it would be to crop Beck's quote "You're going to see Che. I love this guy." and make people think that he actually likes and loves the guy? That's what Faux does every single day.
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      • Author by Reinhard (January 24, 2010 5:39 pm ET)
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        You don't need to crop Beck's words. He makes an ass out of himself, in full context, everyday.

        Same goes for Rush "I got a Jew friend" Limbaugh.

        Reinhard
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    • Author by LoriJellyBean (January 24, 2010 7:06 pm ET)
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      Wow! This eye opening! What if it's true?
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    • Author by diamonds (January 24, 2010 8:01 pm ET)
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      Beck compares Fox News to Jews during the Holocaust, other news organizations to silent bystanders.
      How is this "violent rhetoric" again? It's a great example of how no news organization should allow any other organization to be taken down to by government officials, even if it helps the other orgs in the short term, because they might be next.

      Beck: "Just pray for protection, please."
      Do you know for who? The article conveniently left out the fact Beck said please pray for the president and the secret service. Fact is there are violent, radical leftist extremists (Bill Ayers among others) and he claimed if Obama became more centrist he risks upsetting them.

      Yes, Glenn did suggest that progressives are prone to violence. This article however says nothing to try and disprove that, and in fact lists a number of quotes supporting it! Does someone want to point out any actual conservative misinformation here? I can't find any, all I see are a bunch of (if I am to believe the article) controversial but entirely true quotes (if mischaracterized and taken out of context) by Glenn Beck!
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      • Author by sepirothpk (January 24, 2010 8:27 pm ET)
           
        Here's evidence:

        Those "dirty hippies" the "right-wing" used to lampoon all the time? They were supposedly "left-wing" and they were anti-war. They were a fairly large movement too
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    • Author by sepirothpk (January 24, 2010 8:22 pm ET)
         
      I would be considered a progressive, yet I'm nowhere near violent. Seriously, I used to get bullied because they thought I wouldn't retaliate and after a long time if I did, there would be a shock moment.

      Not to mention most of the progressive movements of recent times are anti-violence. How is that prone?
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    • Author by Ordille75 (January 24, 2010 9:47 pm ET)
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      Okay, he was NOT trying to link progressives of today with violence. He was, however, trying to show what happens with an out of control government...that Socialism typically doesn't end nicely....and that not knowing history, you are bound to repeat it. I have never met someone who condones violence. I have met people who don't want the government controlling their every move. Some of us are perfectly okay taking responsibility for themselves.....which is kinda what this country was founded on....freedom
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    • Author by Marge (January 24, 2010 10:41 pm ET)
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      Who started the wars in Afgan and Iraq? Who killed a doctor in a church? Who blew up innocent people at the Olympics? What half butt female politican urged her tea bags to go after her fellow representatives? I could go on and on and on with all the hate and inciting to violence by the republicans. But you people know all about it. You know who are bloodthirsty and who kill and maim. So I won't repeat all that here. BUT tell you the truth I'd like to get close to Beck and give him a swift kick in the a**. Wonder if he would commit violence on this 77 year old woman, knowing the republicans I sure bet he would.
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      • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (January 24, 2010 11:04 pm ET)
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        BUT tell you the truth I'd like to get close to Beck and give him a swift kick in the a**.

        A little violence never hurt anyone, did it Marge?
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      • Author by markbfoot199 (January 25, 2010 10:09 am ET)
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        Marge, I think you should listed to Obama, just take your pills and not worry about anything.
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    • Author by Marge (January 24, 2010 10:48 pm ET)
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      OH while you are talking about the MA election. Coakley asked Rahm's committee for money to fight back with radio ads as she had ran out of money, the democratic committees in DC hadn't funneled millions of dollar to her as the republicans AND FOX BUTTHOLES, were to Brown. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TOLD HER....SHE DIDN'T NEED IT. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT. Rahm can fund and blue dirty dog going but when a real democrat wants money he won't cough it up. So the next time he complains about losing MA. We all know what to hit back at him with.
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    • Author by markbfoot199 (January 25, 2010 10:07 am ET)
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      I am guessing MMFA is here to support the individuals in the special? What I saw (individuals in the special) did kill millions of folks, but lets not talk about that subject lets just create a echo chamber of how much we hate Beck.
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      • Author by Reinhard (January 25, 2010 3:37 pm ET)
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        Hating Beck and debunking his nonsense aren't mutually exclusive. MMFA does a fine job debunking this nutjob on a daily basis. I wouldn't expect you to know this given my opinion that I doubt you have actually read any of the articles debunking his crazy claims. Just scroll up and read for yourself.

        Reinhard
        So easy a caveman can do it.
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