George Will's torrent of global warming misinformation continues with distortion of glacier data
In a Washington Post column, serial global warming misinformer George Will said that the "menace of global warming" is "elusive" and claimed that an acknowledged error about Himalayan glaciers in a report by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) constituted "another dollop of evidence of the seepage of dubious science into policy debate." In fact, scientists routinely present strong evidence of long-term global warming and its consequences, including evidence of "[w]idespread mass loss from glaciers."
Will cites glaciers to claim evidence of global warming is "elusive"
Citing WSJ article on IPCC glacier error, Will mentions "elusive menace of global warming." In a column for the January 24 print edition of The Washington Post, Will wrote:
This complex and costly carbon-rationing plan supposedly would combat the elusive menace of global warming. Serendipitously, on Tuesday, as Massachusetts voters were telling Obama to pause regarding health-care reform, the Wall Street Journal was reporting: "An influential United Nations panel is facing growing criticism about its practices after acknowledging doubts about a 2007 statement that Himalayan glaciers were retreating faster than those anywhere else and would entirely disappear by 2035, if not sooner."
The U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- co-winner with Al Gore of another absurd Nobel Peace Prize -- issued the questionable 2007 report, which was based on a 2005 report from an environmental advocacy group that relied on a 1999 article quoting an Indian scientist who actually did not mention 2035. Another day, another dollop of evidence of the seepage of dubious science into policy debate, and another reason to proceed cautiously.
Scientists say glaciers are melting
WSJ article Will quotes itself says that the IPCC error is unlikely to "overturn the scientific consensus on glacial retreat." The January 19 Journal article Will quotes stated (emphasis added):
An influential United Nations panel is facing growing criticism about its practices after acknowledging doubts about a 2007 statement that Himalayan glaciers were retreating faster than those anywhere else and would entirely disappear by 2035, if not sooner.
Rajendra Pachauri, head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, said Monday that the U.N. body was studying how the 2007 report "derived" the information about glacier retreat, according to a spokesman at the Energy and Resources Institute in New Delhi, where Dr. Pachauri is the director. Dr. Pachauri said glaciers were melting, but the 2035 date was in question, the spokesman said.
It was unlikely that these revelations about the IPCC report would overturn the scientific consensus on glacial retreat, but they raised questions for the IPCC about how the data on Himalayan glaciers were collected and reviewed. [Wall Street Journal, 1/19/10]
IPCC: Report's conclusion of accelerated glacier loss is "is robust, appropriate, and entirely consistent with the underlying science and the broader IPCC assessment." Following reports of the error, the IPCC issued a statement that said it "regret[s] the poor application of well-established IPCC procedures in this instance," but that the broad conclusion about glacier loss in the report "is robust, appropriate, and entirely consistent with the underlying science and the broader IPCC assessment." From the statement:
The Synthesis Report, the concluding document of the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (page 49) stated: "Climate change is expected to exacerbate current stresses on water resources from population growth and economic and land-use change, including urbanisation. On a regional scale, mountain snow pack, glaciers and small ice caps play a crucial role in freshwater availability. Widespread mass losses from glaciers and reductions in snow cover over recent decades are projected to accelerate throughout the 21st century, reducing water availability, hydropower potential, and changing seasonality of flows in regions supplied by meltwater from major mountain ranges (e.g. Hindu-Kush, Himalaya, Andes), where more than one-sixth of the world population currently lives."
This conclusion is robust, appropriate, and entirely consistent with the underlying science and the broader IPCC assessment.
It has, however, recently come to our attention that a paragraph in the 938-page Working Group II contribution to the underlying assessment refers to poorly substantiated estimates of rate of recession and date for the disappearance of Himalayan glaciers. In drafting the paragraph in question, the clear and well-established standards of evidence, required by the IPCC procedures, were not applied properly.
The Chair, Vice-Chairs, and Co-chairs of the IPCC regret the poor application of well-established IPCC procedures in this instance. This episode demonstrates that the quality of the assessment depends on absolute adherence to the IPCC standards, including thorough review of "the quality and validity of each source before incorporating results from the source into an IPCC Report" 3. We reaffirm our strong commitment to ensuring this level of performance.
U.N.'s Yvo de Boer: Error "does not alter the inevitable consequences, unless rigorous action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is taken." In a January 20 Associated Press article, Yvo de Boer, the head of the U.N. Convention on Climate Change, said of the error: "What is happening now is comparable with the Titanic sinking more slowly than expected," adding, "But that does not alter the inevitable consequences, unless rigorous action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is taken." The AP further reported: "The climate panel and even the scientist who publicized the errors said they are not significant in comparison to the entire report, nor were they intentional. And they do not negate the fact that worldwide, glaciers are melting faster than ever."
"Glacier expert" Michael Zemp: "Glaciers are the best proof that climate change is happening." From a January 20 CNN.com article:
A glacier expert interviewed by CNN explained that the data published was flawed.
Michael Zemp from the World Glacier Monitoring Service said: "There are simply no observations available to make these sorts of statements."
Zemp says that the figures quoted in the report are not possible because 500,000 square kilometers is estimated to be the total surface area of all mountain glaciers worldwide.
"The other thing is that the report says the glaciers are receding faster than anywhere else in the world. We simply do not have the glacier change measurements. The Himalayas are among those regions with the fewest available data," Zemp said.
In defense of the IPCC, Zemp says "you can take any report and find a mistake in it but it's up to the next IPCC report to correct it."
Zemp also believes that the errors shouldn't shake people's belief in climate science.
"Glaciers are the best proof that climate change is happening. This is happening on a global scale. They can translate very small changes in the climate into a visible signal," he said.
Ohio State glaciologist Lonnie Thompson: "The issues under discussion are very specific ones, but do not detract from the overall conclusions of the IPCC, which are backed by many lines of evidence." A USA Today blog post quoted Ohio State glaciologist Lonnie Thompson defending the 2007 IPCC report: "[W]e're good at what we do, but we're human beings. The issues under discussion are very specific ones, but do not detract from the overall conclusions of the IPCC, which are backed by many lines of evidence."
Scientists routinely present evidence that global warming is real
Will previously distorted U.N. report to claim: "Warnings about cataclysmic warming increase in stridency as evidence of warming becomes more elusive." In an October 1, 2009, Washington Post column, Will wrote: "Warnings about cataclysmic warming increase in stridency as evidence of warming becomes more elusive. A recent report from the United Nations Environment Program predicts an enormous 6.3 degrees Fahrenheit increase by the end of the century even if nations fulfill their most ambitious pledges concerning reduction of carbon emissions" [italics in original].
U.N. report Will previously cited actually provides evidence for warming and its consequences. In that October 1, 2009, Post column, Will cited a September 2009 United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) report as evidence that "[w]arnings about cataclysmic warming increase in stridency as evidence of warming becomes more elusive." But Will ignored actual evidence in the report that undermines his claim. Indeed, in presenting the findings -- which were "based on the wealth of peer reviewed research published by researchers and institutions since 2006" -- Achim Steiner, UNEP executive director, stated, "The findings indicate that ever more rapid environmental change is underway with the pace and the scale of climate change accelerating along with the confidence among researchers in their forecasts." Will also falsely cited the U.N. report for the 6.3-degree figure he cited. In fact, the U.N. report did not make that prediction.
Other scientific organizations agree that evidence shows that global warming is real. In addition to the UNEP report and the IPCC 2007 Synthesis Report -- which concluded that "[m]ost of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic [human-caused] GHG [greenhouse gas] concentrations" -- other scientific organizations, including NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, the United Kingdom's Met Office, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, also conclude that human-caused global warming is occurring.
Will is a serial global warming misinformer
In the Post and elsewhere, Will has repeatedly distorted data and climate science reports. In his Washington Post columns, Will has repeatedly misrepresented arctic sea ice data. In the Post and in Newsweek, Will has also forwarded the fallacy that there has been "no global warming since 1998."

















Any little bit of miscalculation or misprint by scientists will immediately be pounced upon by the likes of Will to insinuate that the entire premise is bogus.
How about the scientists policing themselves? Oh, I forgot, that is what the "peer review" system is supposed to do. You know, the one that was so casually ignored for this issue.
Precisely. This actually is an example of how science is supposed to work: The statement about certain glaciers being gone by 2035 was not based on peer-reviewed research and so should not have been in the 2007 IPCC report. When that was shown, the IPCC retracted the statement.
That's what good scientists do: Show them something they said is wrong, they take it back. Even when, as here, the underlying assertion (those glaciers are retreating, just not that fast) remains on solid ground.
But as others have said here and as I said when the news came out, they will
And it never should be regarded as such.
That wasn't the case initially Larry. You make it sound as if they plucked the faulty/bad data right out of the report. As Dr. Kaser explains:
I think the last sentence from the Economist article sums it up better than I.
Yeah - you notice how it's all petty b*llsh!t that they're "working with?" If they had any FACTS or PEER-REVIEWED DATA or WORKABLE CLIMATE MODELS to back their claims up, they wouldn't have to resort to pouncing on every little minute detail that comes up.
So yeah, it does say it pretty well: That they got nothin' and this is the best they can do. (Confuse those that are ignorant as to how science works.)
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If anyone has "nothin'", it's the IPCC. Political hacks at their worst.
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I thought so.
I'm all for a robust debate and I'm open to wherever that leads. What I'm against is the IPCC (a political faction if there ever was one) tainting and ignoring data that doesn't fit in with the agenda.
It is telling that as more and more chicanery comes to light, the left ratchets up the rhetoric and double-speak. Never really dealing with the charge at hand.
Until you get the politics out of this issue, you'll never get the desired effect you desire.
I agree 100%. But historically this has worked both ways. Most oftne than not political pressure has caused the predictions and data to be diminishsed. Now, whether political pressure from teh climate deniers motivated them to try a shoe-horn this into their report is immaterial. I was WRONG, and it was BAD SCIENCE.
That being said, I'm not sure what you mean by "a long line of bad data" and "more and more chicanery." (Maybe you're talking about oil-inductry funded studies?) ;) Every time there's more data, the models get better. They're able to simulate more ocnditions more accurately. And even so, nothing changes the basic conclusion that the globe is warming and mankind's behavior is the primary driver of it.
Dire predctions about the cosequences being exagerated does not change the view of WHAT is happeneng or WHY it's happening. It should concern people enough to act, but it doesn't. And THAT is where the politics really comes in. How do you get people today to care about something that won't happen for another hundered years at least?
(You exagerate the threat to THEM, seeing as how they don't give two $#!T's about their great-great-grandchildren and tehir familiy's.)
It's wrong, but why is it that so many people can be shown what's happening and not care?
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And seriously? That's not even science. That's entirely politics.
So, the Economist was dissing George Will for being a tool?
Sorry, I didn't catch that in the linked article.
Like the denialists EVER are peer-reviewed? Oh, that's right. Their peers are on blog sites like, "wattsupwiththat", "globalwarminghoax", "climatechangefacts", or Roy Spencer's site, and the list goes on. Good quality sites. All distorting and twisting the facts. Who double-checks their facts? You? Are YOU the expert? I think not.
Normal, rational people, who know that they AREN'T the EXPERTS know that the real experts have spoken - over 95% agree ACC is a reality.
It's only the ignorant, or just plain stupid denialists who hang on to their failed belief that ACC is not real. What IS the current denialists position? Or is it, warming is happening, but not caused by humans, or it is NOT happening at all?
You guys can't keep your story straight. You may want to discuss this among yourselves & let us all know just what is the current position you all are taking.
So, keep pointing fingers at the scientists who aren't afraid of admitting when they aren't correct. THAT'S how science works.
But, denialists will NEVER admit when they are wrong. THAT's how belief systems work.
Most earth scientists believe humans cause of global warming, according to survey
97 percent of climatologists canvassed believe humans play a role
From CNN.com
You're right though, SLRTX was wrong about his 95% figure. It's actually 97%! Nice try though.
Your text to link here...
Come back when you figure out that weather isn't climate. Because that's what your problem is here - you think that an increase in Arctic ice coverage from one year to the next actually means something.
But if the ice is widespread but thin, that's a variable that your side never seems to consider. And if we had one year that had very little ice, you seem to think that the next year or two's increase means something.
But only because you confuse weather and climate.
Get back to us when you understand climate, doofus.
hmmmmmm, wonder why there is no new poll? maybe because it doesn't look good for the cultists? just a thought...
In other words, you have no data to refute my point, so we (those of us who follow scientific data) must be cultists. You really back up your claims...
I really am trying to have a civil discussion with you, rrrrigghhttt, but you refuse to refute my data with any data that supports your claims. I'm asking you to have a rational discussion with me, but your keep confusing opinions with fact. If you have data to refute any of my claims I'd be happy to look at it.
I do not think that climatologists have changed the opinions en masse over the last year. The vast, vast majority of climatologists believe that AGW is true. I don't see why scientists would try to hype cap and trade, and either way, the AGW conversation has been going on far longer than cap and trade has been in the discussion.
How much are they melting and receding? A lot, a little? The point is that the IPCC tried to put the scariest face on the bogeyman but the bogeyman is a hard creature to pin down. Especially when we're talking three hundred year in the future. This is more good gouge from the Economist, a mag who pushed the warmers views time after time. Alas, cooler heads are starting to prevail.
Just days before the embarassing back-down, Pachauri assured the media that the IPCC has "a very clear idea of what is happening"; that the Minister for the Environment of India was "supporting unsubstantiated research" and making "an extremely arrogant statement" when he challenged the IPCC conclusions; and that Indian scientists who had prepared a report demonstrating the errors in the IPCC assessment were guilty of “schoolboy science” and “voodoo science”.
Meanwhile, the lead author of the relevant section in the IPCC report - Murari Lal, who is an atmospheric scientist - went on the warpath, stating that he “outright rejected” any doubts about the validity of the IPCC’s report, and claimed that “The IPCC authors did exactly what was expected from them”. Again, this was just days before the IPCC's embarassing backdown. Lal has now washed his hands of the whole affair, admitting that he is “not an expert on glaciers”, and that he has not even “visited the region”.
Further evidence now suggests that at least railway engineer Pachauri, if not atmospheris scientist Lal, were aware that the report concerning Himalayan glaciers was flawed even when they made these comments, but decided to "tough it out" rather than admitting to the error.
So, who is the "politically-motivated writer", and who is the good, honest scientist just reporting the evidence as he sees it ? Centainly not engineman Pachauri.
No country with the ability to do so, including the U.S., is going to fund the means to combat global warming.
It hasn't been sold well enough, and continues to be dragged down by these reports.
If only the scientists had been open, transparent, shared their data, and not squabbled among themselves.
Alas, it is what it is...a dead horse that will continue to be beaten.
Global warming has already had drastic consequences in a wide variety of places and hopefully the horse isn't dead. There are many consequences to foot dragging and delaying dealing with the issue.
If this isn't "sold" to the laity, which includes politicians, it will never, ever, be funded.
And if it isn't funded, it isn't fixable.
What, in your utopian mind, should be done differently? Keep in mind what's been done so far hasn't worked. The defenestration of Copenhagen is just the latest example.
And I didn't say it's "fine to deny this".
If it has to be "sold" to someone the "laity" would be the ones doing the selling, not the other way around.
Ask the "laity" the length of Sun spot cycles.
IN FACT ASK YOURSELF.
What kind of post did you really mean?
Right now, the "laity" thinks it's cold. Does that give you a clue?
It will never, ever be addressed without politics.
The warming planet will force nothing, because the warming is too gradual. You can't convince a freezing Minnesotan right now that the planet is warming.
Please get real and help fight for a political solution instead of just spitting up left-wing ejaculate.
You've got to be kidding. It was RAINING here in the Twin Cities on Friday night and most of yesterday. Raining. In Minnesota. In January. Right now, Sunday afternoon, it's in the mid-30s.
The last couple of weeks have been above normal almost every day. We're supposed to have a cold snap again this coming week, but it's really only going to bring things down close to average, perhaps just a bit below.
Sure, we started the month with an Arctic blast, but we pretty much expect that in January and this year's wasn't all that bad.
The weather we're experiencing here in Minnesota this month could make it easy to believe in warming.
I guess I take your point that implementing true change will require adequate funding. So do you advocate letting the issue drop? Until proper salesmanship is employed or permanently?
You, too, appear to be intelligent, yet difficult to follow. I think we might be missing a valuable point from you. Keep in mind clarity would help.
The Hollywood propaganda machine is alive and well I see.
Less Hollywood end of the world tripe and more time in the library...
The absence -- or the breakdown of -- the scientists' "checks and balance" system to authenticate the credibility of the data they cite doesn't help the cause of pending global destruction caused by climate warming.
The basic check in the field is peer reviewed articles in professional publications. You say this has broken down. Again details, or you can continue with inuendo and slander.
If so, it seems you suffer from a SEVERE lack of imagination.
His findings were considered slander. There had been astronomical catalogs published for hundreds of years. All of the poison arrows were pointed at him. I believe there may be something named after him today...
"Debunkt", in your post is not a word. If you care to respond to a scientific post, you would be best advised to learn how to spell.
On top of that, you should be advised to question observational science. It was wrong for 2,500 years under Aristotle, and it may well be wrong today. Always question.
Never close your eyes.
You could also use the debates on global tectonics, what powers the sun, eugenics, manned flight, and almost any scientific field.
I go with the saying that anything an elder scientist tells you is impossible will probably happen. He will be mistaken in his belief.
Bebunk. Explain the importance of spelling above all else when speaking of science. Explain the importance of pointing it out when you can't complain about anything substansive.
Observational science is what caused the move away from the science of Aristotle. Mindless adherence to the his writings had nothing to do with the observation by its public follower's. Islam was the source of these and other Greek writings as used by Europe in any learning institution after arround 1000 AD. They added to these writings as well from their observations. Commented on them and argued about them as well.
There maybe things about science more important than spelling.
"The absence -- or the breakdown of -- the scientists' "checks and balance" system to authenticate the credibility of the data they cite doesn't help the cause of pending global destruction caused by climate warming."
So much "blah, blah, blah" coming from denialists. It will never stop, because there will always be ignorance and stupidity.
Normal, rational people, who know that they AREN'T the EXPERTS know that the real experts have spoken - over 95% agree ACC is a reality.
Now you point fingers at the scientists who aren't afraid of admitting when they aren't correct.
WOW! Scientist ACTUALLY ADMITTED THEY MADE A MISTAKE!!!!
So, how can this work in the denialists' conspiracy theory again? How can you have a conspiracy, if those #$%@ scientists keep admitting when they find errors???? Wait! Who's in charge of "hiding the decline?"
If a goof-up is made, it's admitted. THAT'S how science works.
But, denialists will NEVER admit when they are wrong. THAT's how belief systems work.
Denialism is a religion. A belief system just like creationism. Dismiss the evidence in favor of a wacked-out, fairy-tale bunch of mumbo-jumbo.
I gotta hand it to you denialists, it takes real skill to remain as stupid as you are.
The scientists at the IPCC WERE AFRAID of admitting when they were wrong and that is the point. See my response in a post above.
You nothing [sic] about reading comprehension.
But apparently any criticism, any criticism at all, of AGW is enough to offend the fundamentalists at Media Matters who will countenance no dissent. And as a consequence of that fanaticism Media Matters has completely misrepresented and distorted Will's commentary.
Lets ask him to apply his same keen analysis on the Biblical story of Noah's arc in the bible.
There is clearly zero evidence that the world was completely covered by water between 4000 and 8000 years ago. NONE.
There is also clearly no evidence that all human, animal, insect, and plant life was derived from a single source like the arc between 4000 and 8000 years ago. NONE.
And the whole flood myth is part of earlier cultures that are known to pre-date the old testament.
So what conclusion to draw from this? Anyone with two working brain cells can see that the story is made up and that it was adapted and added into the old testament from much earlier writing.
This means that one can not deny that there is stuff in the bible which is not historical. In fact - it contains significant amounts of made-up stuff.
This means the reader has to look at the whole bible and see what parts are made up and which parts are historical. And that you have a responsibility to teach this to your children so that they are not misled into thinking that everything they read in the book is real.
Since interpretation of the bible as 100% historical has been the cause of much evil in the world (for example the persecution of Jews throughout modern history - leading to the holocaust), perhaps George could focus a article or two on the ethical responsibility of parents indoctrinating their children into Christianity to ensure that children understand that the bible has made up stuff in it and it is their responsibility not to take everything in it literally or as historical. They should doubt everything in it and then apply reason, logic, and insight into every part of it and see what they believe is historical, what they believe is metaphorical, what they believe is made up, and what parts of it no longer apply to the modern world.
Don't ANY of you fearmongers find it interesting that not ONE, not a SINGLE so called "scientist" noticed the 315 year discrepancy? hmmm... hmmm... hmmm... Well on the bright side it could be that they were afraid of being called deniers... CLEARLY you all would be all over a REAL scientist that noted the "small error"... pathetic...
BTW I wonder where we'd be if the earth didn't experience global warming at the end of the last great ice age??? or should I say glaciating period...
Isn't it time to move onto another fearmonger...
here try this, PROVE climate change is the "fault" of man-kind without using the previously discredited and faked data... OK that's too hard, just produce the "unscrubbed" data and a real scientist can "replicate" the gw fear-mongering "scientists" like algore....
And thanks for the following bit of "conservative" logic:
- Natural climate change has always existed
- Human produced greenhouse gases are not natural
- Therefore, ACC cannot be occurring
What a lot of those in denial forget is that the chemical properties of the atmosphere and the history of the climate is where a lot of the concern comes from. The scientist realize that climate is a wild roller coaster ride. They also see modern civilization as having an impact. Funny how conservatives think they are the only ones who think actions have consequences. Then again Rush Limbaugh says he can't imagine how human beings could have a global impact on the health of the planet. Certainly no bias there...
weird, huh?
Look, I can make irrelevant at-the-moment points too.
Except, there hasn't been much rain in Melbourne for a while now
Oh, but they're getting so much mileage out of this one!
Brought to you by cockroaches for Joe. We will prevail!
How would that look with a big gold rope chain around Granny Pelosi's neck?
Obama:
University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
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McCain:
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I'll trade you a Harvard University and a Columbia University patch for a Merrill Lynch and a Lehman brothers patch. You know...pretending that you slum with both godless intellectuals and the 'common man' never hurt an image. By the way Obama received zero in Federal funds while McCain received over 80 million dollars. Note also that 88% of Obama's funding was from individual contributors (compared to 54% for McCain). Can and will corporate purchases of Congresspersons tilt the board in favor of our corporate oligarchy? Time will tell. Data from OpenSecrets.org (in case you care). But don't count your yachts before they are built.
The beauty is that if you continue on this path, he'll be a one term wonder and we can end this little experiment.
Oh wait-you answered your own question:
We'll never know.
And that is the point--you don't know and have no facts to back your assertion.
The beauty is that if you continue on this path, he'll be a one term wonder and we can end this little experiment.
Maybe he will be a one term president (I really don't know and you don't either); but I would suggest that the real 'beauty' for folks like you is that you is that in a forum like this you can say whatever you want and never have to provide corroborating facts or evidence. Baseless assertion and innuendo will always do quite nicely. But please get back to me if you can support your claims with actual data. I can tell you this though. Two terms of George W. Bush is something this country may never get over. If anything: that is a failed experiment that should never have happened.
Caught the mistake this morning.
I have asked journalists, politicians & alarmist lobbyists now totalling in the thousands to name 2 prominent scientists, not funded by government or an alarmist lobby who have said that we are seeing a catastrophic degree of warming & none of them have yet been able to do so. I extend this same invitation here.
There is not & never was a genuine scientific consensus on this, though scientists seeking government funds have been understandably reluctant to speak. If there were anything approaching a consensus it would, with over 31,000 scientists having signed the Oregon petition saying it is bunk, it would be easy to find a similar number of independent scientists saying it was true, let alone 2. The whole thing depends on a very small number of people & a massive government publicity machine, both very well funded by the innocent taxpayer.