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Quick Fact: Fortune's Serwer falsely claimed that Bush is "not doing any speeches for money"

January 25, 2010 8:35 am ET — 50 Comments

On Morning Joe, Fortune managing editor Andy Serwer claimed that, since leaving office, former President Bush is "not doing any speeches for money. I respect that." However, Bush reportedly earns up to $150,000 per speaking engagement and has reportedly given at least 30 speeches since leaving office.

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Serwer claims Bush "not doing any speeches for money"

From the January 25 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:

JOE SCARBOROUGH (co-host): And, by the way, Bush has played his first year away from the White House brilliantly.

SERWER: I agree with that.

SCARBOROUGH: He's kept his down.

SERWER: Yup.

SCARBOROUGH: The only time you hear from him is when he's supporting Obama. I think that's one of the reasons why -- come on --

SERWER: Not doing any speeches for money. I respect that.

FACT: Bush reportedly earns up to $150,000 per speech

News reports: Bush to earn up to $150,000 a speech. A February 24, 2009, New York Daily News article reported: "President George W. Bush may have left office with a historically bad 22% approval rating, but he's still eager to impart his wisdom -- for $150,000 a speech. The former president will charge that hefty fee per pep talk -- plus first-class or private jet transport for four -- when he hits the lecture circuit next month." The Daily News further reported that "for local talks near his new Dallas digs, Bush will cut his price -- to a mere $100,000." The Seattle Post-Intelligencer similarly reported on March 2, 2009, that "Bush will be getting $150,000 a speech when he hits the hustings later this month." Bush is represented by the Washington Speakers Bureau, which notes that Bush's "fees vary by location."

FACT: Bush has reportedly given at least 30 speeches since leaving office

Telegraph reports that Bush has "given 30 speeches" since leaving office. A December 15, 2009, U.K. Telegraph article reported that, according to Bush spokesman David Sherzer, "Bush has actually given 30 speeches ... not only in the US but in India, Korea, China and Japan" since January 20, 2009.

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    • Author by nerzog (January 25, 2010 8:46 am ET)
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      The Troglodytes are working very hard to rehabilitate President Numbnuts. Even on this website we see the Republican posters claiming that he "liberated 60 million people", and many are refusing to acknowledge that he ran up huge deficits to pay for his tax cuts for the rich, even while his pet war in Iraq was draining us dry.

      It's typical Republitoad Revisionist History.
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      • Author by The_Cat (January 25, 2010 8:52 am ET)
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        Oh, come now, nerzog. Perhaps Serwer is just incredibly ill-informed. Wouldn't be the first time a teabagger didn't know anything about the world around him. Besides, Bush is going to need that money for his legal defense fund. ;)
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        • Author by nerzog (January 25, 2010 9:11 am ET)
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          We can dream. The way things are going, we'll be lucky if even Karl Rove has to answer for his crimes. The whole sorry lot of them will skate, I predict.
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          • Author by magnolialover (January 25, 2010 9:01 pm ET)
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            I really can't believe that he's gotten 30 folks to pay him to speak. I mean, as a public speaker, he pretty much stinks.
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    • Author by Floyd (January 25, 2010 9:29 am ET)
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      Well, let's see what the whine cellar has to offer, this time.

      Whoa! Bush claimed to be charging for speeches, but links provided and quotes used say he won't charge until next month. And, none of the proof is of the FACTUAL kind ... like providing proof that Bush charged anything, it seems all the proof they have is "reportedly". But, that won't stop the whinos from whining about the man who saved the world from terrorists and WMD's that the democrats whined about in 98. I guess you gotta do something to earn your 8-hours for the day.

      I notice Air America is out of business. Did left wing radio have so much talent that they couldn't pay for all of it? Better gear up that "fairness doctrine" rhetoric again. That whine bottle is ripe for the picking now.

      Still no links to donate to the Red Cross to save all the victims of Haiti? So much compassion, here!
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      • Author by nerzog (January 25, 2010 9:35 am ET)
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        the man who saved the world from terrorists


        Really? Then why did terrorist attacks actually increase worldwide during his War for Oil?

        Keep flailing; it's fun to watch.
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        • Author by Floyd (January 25, 2010 9:40 am ET)
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          Try to stay on topic, it's embarrassing when all you can discuss is a righteous war in a negative way.

          Of course we can discuss the ex-president who "reportedly" raped over 100 women in his political career (and after). You know, the same one who let OBL escape death after having him 'in his sights'. The same one who created a financial system that promoted failure to the worst degree.
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          • Author by nerzog (January 25, 2010 11:29 am ET)
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            "Reportedly?" Is that the same as "some people say"?

            On the other hand, we know that President Numbnuts invaded a country needlessly, and that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died in that little adventure, in addition to our own tragic losses.

            Exactly what "financial system" did Clinton create?
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          • Author by Benjamin Kenon (January 25, 2010 12:34 pm ET)
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            What is a "righteous war"? Didn't Jesus say, "Blessed are the peacemakers"? I don't remember the bit about "blessed are the warmongers".
            And which war is righteous? There are two of them, you know.

            By the way, I resent you accusing Herbert Hoover of such an abominable crime...
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            • Author by Floyd (January 26, 2010 12:16 am ET)
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              Yes, I think Jesus did say that. Thanks for backing me up on that one. I don't see Iraqis living under fear of oppression by a warmongering leader anymore, either. And, most of the other warmongers have moved to more fertile land in Pakistan where our newest peacemaker is fighting the current version of that 'righteous war'.
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              • Author by Benjamin Kenon (January 26, 2010 10:41 am ET)
                   
                You misunderstand. Bush is the warmonger. Evangelical "Christians" like Eric Prince are the war profiteers. I would think your religion would be something you took more seriously. The gospels say very clearly that no war is righteous and that violence is always wrong. And you know that.
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (January 26, 2010 8:51 pm ET)
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                I don't see Iraqis living under fear of oppression by a warmongering leader anymore

                Well, at least several hundred thousand Iraqis aren't living in fear because THEY'RE DEAD.

                And, I don't seem to remember any loud cry from the Iraqi populace that we invade and occupy their country. Only from Chalabi and Oddball. Funny, isn't it?
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                • Author by Floyd (January 26, 2010 9:46 pm ET)
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                  horn--Well, at least several hundred thousand Iraqis aren't living in fear because THEY'RE DEAD.

                  Yes, thanks entirely because of the terrorists we were fighting. Well, maybe a couple hundred were killed by US troops... accidentily
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                  • Author by DellDolly (January 27, 2010 1:53 am ET)
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                    No, thanks to us invading their country. Thanks to us for deciding that we wanted to fight them over there, anywhere but here. Had we asked Iraqi's if they wanted us to get rid of Saddam so that we could use their country as a proxy battleground, they would have said NO!

                    There were NO terrorists there until we invaded, you doofus! The reason terrorists were there was because we invaded!!! So, the ENTIRE reason tens of thousands of Iraqi's died is because WE invaded their nation. Because Bush illegally and illegitimately invaded Iraq for no good reason. Bush knew before we invaded that the intelligence that everyone had relied upon was wrong, and that there were no WMD's in Iraq, but he invaded anyway.
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                    • Author by Floyd (January 27, 2010 8:21 am ET)
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                      They would have said NO? Wow, and how do you know that? Besides, facts are known (that even Obama knows is true) that the terrorists were in Iraq before our invasion http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp

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                • Author by Benjamin Kenon (January 27, 2010 10:21 pm ET)
                     
                  Wow, Floyd. Do you even know the meaning of the word 'compassion'?
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      • Author by pete592 (January 25, 2010 11:15 am ET)
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        Whoa! Bush claimed to be charging for speeches, but links provided and quotes used say he won't charge until next month
        You do realize that both the NY Daily News and Seattle PI articles are from last year, don't you?

        And, none of the proof is of the FACTUAL kind ... like providing proof that Bush charged anything, it seems all the proof they have is "reportedly".
        Are you holding out for the possibility that Bush spent his first year out of office giving all 30 of his speeches for free?
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        • Author by Floyd (January 25, 2010 1:36 pm ET)
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          I'm holding out for the "possibility" of FACTS being used instead of "reportedly". That wouldn't be too much to ask, would it? Considering that FACTS are the claims being made. When you actually have facts, bring them to the table. Otherwise, speculation is what got us into that pesky little war that you guys call needless.
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          • Author by pete592 (January 25, 2010 2:09 pm ET)
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            MMFA provided far more proof than Serwer did.
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            • Author by Floyd (January 25, 2010 7:08 pm ET)
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              pete-- MMFA provided far more proof than Serwer did

              ...reportedly
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              • Author by rsinebada7366 (January 26, 2010 2:04 pm ET)
                   
                Floyd: My sympathies. Sincerely. With all my heart. I know you believe what you post and support our former president. I don't get angry or disgusted with people like you anymore because I know you actually believe what you are saying. That is the tragedy. Not to believe would be too painful for you and I have just begun to understand that.
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                • Author by Floyd (January 27, 2010 8:45 am ET)
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                  Do you get angry with people who support the president (before Bush) who raped over 100 women during his political career, some while in office? Yes? Well, I would rather support an ex-pres who has the guts to fight terrorism than support an ex-pres who rapes innocent women. I find there is a difference between being a rapist and supporting freedom. Apparantly, you think the opposite as me ... you would rather support a rapist than a freedom fighter.
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 25, 2010 1:13 pm ET)
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        Floyd again proves he's a dunce.

        Bush claimed to be charging for speeches, but links provided and quotes used say he won't charge until next month.

        Reading comprehension fail. That 'next' month was April of last year. The article was from March, and it said that in the MMFA article, immediately preceding the comment about 'next month'!

        And what does Floyd expect - that we'll see the check that Bush got?

        And then he goes off-topic with falsehoods about wondrous Bush was and how out of touch his critics are! He then further goes off-topic by talking about Air America and the crisis in Haiti. But what does he do in his very next post? He complains about someone going off-topic!

        Please don't feed this troll any more.
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        • Author by Floyd (January 25, 2010 1:40 pm ET)
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          So, provide links that show those FACTS mmfa is claiming. Is that asking too much from such a compassionate site?

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          • Author by DellDolly (January 25, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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            The evidence is in the newspaper articles that document that Bush will be getting paid for those speeches and that he's made more than 30 of them.

            What a dunce you are.

            Do you think that we'll see his check stub? He's a guy who commands $150,000 a speech. That's been disclosed. And he's made more than 30 speeches. That's been disclosed. And someone from Fortune Magazine claimed that Bush hadn't been doing any speeches for money! Which isn't true.

            Here's a link from ABC News from December, 2009. Bush's spokesman tells us that Bush is getting paid for speeches!!!

            Bush spokesman David Sherzer would not say how much the couple is paid for speeches, but pointed out that the San Antonio event organized by Get Motivated! is just one of 32 events the former president is attending this year.

            "He really enjoys it," says Sherzer. "He jokes that he's getting paid for what he did for free for eight years as president."

            Industry experts say former White House residents don't come cheap.

            "It's much more lucrative than being in office," says John LaRosa, research director at Marketdata Enterprises, a research firm that specializes in niche industries.
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            • Author by Floyd (January 25, 2010 2:40 pm ET)
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              It's pretty simple, dell, mmfa has had a YEAR to aquire proof of payment to prove fact for the story. You tell me that those articles are 'old' articles and that's why they say "reportedly" for proof of payment. How about mmfa redo this article AFTER they have the proof they say is already FACT.
              Or, if 'possibilities' are sufficient to act, then why call the Iraq war needless? Since it was based on 'possibilities'.
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              • Author by Unreality (January 25, 2010 11:53 pm ET)
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                Perhaps you can specify what proof is necessary to meet your obviously high standards for veracity. A verbal statement from the event producers? Do you require audited financials?

                Fees of that size are rarely checks, and frequently wire transfers, so it's unlikely there is a check stub.

                Was the fee made payable to a foundation, the speaker's bureau, or directly the the speaker?

                Lots of questions.
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              • Author by Unreality (January 25, 2010 11:53 pm ET)
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                Perhaps you can specify what proof is necessary to meet your obviously high standards for veracity. A verbal statement from the event producers? Do you require audited financials?

                Fees of that size are rarely checks, and frequently wire transfers, so it's unlikely there is a check stub.

                Was the fee made payable to a foundation, the speaker's bureau, or directly the the speaker?

                Lots of questions.
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                • Author by Floyd (January 26, 2010 12:03 am ET)
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                  Aren't tax reports usually released in a couple months? How about something simple like a tax return. Those seem to be public record for political figures fairly consistantly. Is it too tough to have verifiable facts before making statements that claim facts are present? Or is that too tough for a web site that prides itself on denouncing missinformation.
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                  • Author by pete592 (January 26, 2010 1:19 am ET)
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                    By law, tax returns, even those of public officials, ARE NOT public record. Presidents, presidential candidates, and other politicians frequently choose to publicly disclose them to maintain an open, forthcoming public image.

                    The only way anyone will see George W. Bush's post-presidency tax returns is if he chooses to disclose them.
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                    • Author by Floyd (January 26, 2010 8:30 am ET)
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                      Well, if he chooses to release them, then mmfa will have the evidence of FACT they are already claiming to have. Mmfa should think about things like that when they go on a rant and make claims they can't back up with facts. 'Heresay' is what got us involved in Iraq (according to left-wingers), and now left-wingers are fully supporting and encouraging 'heresay' evidence.
                      If that's the way you want to play the game, then mmfa is no better than all the people they whine about. And, that's true for all left-wingnuts who whine about a war they don't like, simply because it is based on unsubstantiated evidence.
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                      • Author by pete592 (January 26, 2010 11:32 am ET)
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                        Clinging to the possibility that Bush didn't get paid a dime for all of his Get Motivated! seminars in 2009 is a ridiculously foolish take.

                        Former presidents have been doing the same thing for years, yet you insist that there's still the prospect that Bush travels the nation giving speeches for free.

                        You have fun banging your head against the wall.
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                      • Author by DellDolly (January 27, 2010 1:57 am ET)
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                        We HAVE evidence. His spokesman SAID that he is getting paid for these events. The Washington Speakers Bureau represents Bush, and they only represent people who get PAID!

                        And 'hearsay' isn't what got us into Iraq. Failure to recognize that the intelligence had been proven wrong, or failure to act upon that actual knowledge the debunked the intelligence, is what got us into an illegitimate and unnecessary, voluntary war in Iraq.
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                        • Author by Floyd (January 27, 2010 8:30 am ET)
                             
                          dell-- We HAVE evidence. His spokesman SAID that he is getting paid for these events

                          You know, that sounds amazingly similar to Bush saying 'we have evidence of WMDs in Iraq, all the intel says there are WMDs present'. Doesn't your statement sound quite similar? Hmmm, but you think someone 'saying so' is suddenly enough evidence for action? Do you even know what a FACT is? Or, is a fact just like a truth to you ... you'll decide which to believe depending on who tells you to. Independant thinking ... that's a new and dangerous function for liberals, huh?

                          The funny thing about your delusional statements are that no debunking of evidence for WMDs in Iraq happened until AFTER we went in and found all that he had. Who knew of NO WMDs before we went into Iraq? Not the democratic leaders who ALL claimed those WMDs were a serious danger to the safety of the US (back in 98).
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                  • Author by Unreality (January 26, 2010 2:14 am ET)
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                    Floyd,
                    How about you produce evidence that Bush has NOT been paid? You seem to know where to look.
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                    • Author by Floyd (January 26, 2010 8:40 am ET)
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                      Sorry, I'm still waiting for evidence for claims that have already been made. I've heard others say that if a claim of FACT is made, the claimer is the one responsible for providing proof of that (those) FACT. I am simply asking for proof of FACT.
                      If you ever get it, rewrite this article. Until then mmfa is no different than the right-wing haters they constantly complain about. The credibility of this site hangs in the balance of being able to provide proof for claims they make. If they can't then EVERY article they write can be assumed to be another piece of missinformation designed to promote hate within our nation.
                      Can they provide that proof? Let's wait and see what the owners of this site will do.
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                      • Author by pete592 (January 26, 2010 11:33 am ET)
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                        "I'm still waiting for evidence for claims that have already been made. "
                        Good. I'd like to see evidence for Serwer's claim.
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              • Author by DellDolly (January 25, 2010 11:56 pm ET)
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                What are you babbling about? Bush's spokesman says that he's getting paid. Again, we aren't going to SEE his pay stub! Other than that, the best we can GET is his spokesman saying that he got paid, you tool!!!

                I am not "telling" you that one of the articles that YOU cited incorrectly was 9 months old - it WAS, undeniably, 9 months old! You're the one who demonstrated poor reading comprehension!!!

                What a tool. How do you manage to get yourself out of bed in the morning with how ignorant AND stupid you clearly are?
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                • Author by Floyd (January 26, 2010 8:49 am ET)
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                  dell-- Other than that, the best we can GET is his spokesman saying that he got paid, you tool!!!

                  Let's see, dell, the Iraq war was started because "the best we can GET" information was that Saddam "supposedly" had WMD's. We started a war based on that "supposed" information that was assumed to be FACT.
                  Now, dell is saying that kind of information is all that is needed to act upon. Well, it looks like you just lost another reason to call the Iraq war unjustified.
                  You know, you're right on one thing, when someone bases all their claims on unproven heresay, then they sure look stupid when asked to prove what they claim.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (January 26, 2010 8:53 pm ET)
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                    the best we can GET is his spokesman saying that he got paid,

                    You see, a "spokesman" speaks for someone else. The "spokesman" doesn't make up things, or the "spokesman" won't be a "spokesman" for much longer.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (January 27, 2010 2:01 am ET)
                       
                    The Iraq War wasn't started because we had bad intelligence. If all we HAD was that intelligence, then invading Iraq wouldn't have been a bad idea. The reason it's a bad idea to have invaded Iraq is because we had REAL evidence from Saddam himself, from his scientists and military leaders, from UN Weapons Inspectors and from others that there actually was NO WMD's in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!

                    And intelligence, which are educated guesses, are NOT equivalent to the statements made by a spokesperson for the President saying that the President will be paid for a speaking engagement. Guesses about something one cannot see for sure aren't the same as statements made by someone who KNOWS!!!

                    What a fool you continue to prove yourself to be!
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                    • Author by Floyd (January 27, 2010 8:52 am ET)
                         
                      dell-- spokesperson for the President saying that the President will be paid for a speaking engagement

                      Right, and that's my point. When you have proof that he "was" paid I'd like to see it. If all you have is proof that he "will" be paid, then you have NO proof of payment being made. You only have proof that someday he will get paid for his speeches. The only problem is CLAIMS OF FACT are being made that he HAS been paid, but no proof of that has been provided.
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        • Author by Floyd (January 25, 2010 3:42 pm ET)
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          dell dolly-- And then he goes off-topic with falsehoods about wondrous Bush was and how out of touch his critics are! He then further goes off-topic by talking about Air America and the crisis in Haiti. But what does he do in his very next post? He complains about someone going off-topic!

          I like how you call ME a troll for going off-topic, but don't say a word about the very first poster who went off-topic during his entire statement, without a word about the current article. Got any ideas on why that would happen?
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          • Author by DellDolly (January 25, 2010 11:59 pm ET)
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            An off-topic post is not necessarily a troll post.

            Just like not all occasions when one person kills another is first degree murder, intent is relevant!!!

            Not all off-topic posts are equal.

            But the very FIRST poster didn't go off-topic anyway. The very first poster was talking about the motivation behind covering for Bush in this way and other ways too. That's not off-topic.
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            • Author by Floyd (January 26, 2010 8:56 am ET)
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              Clearly, you don't have a clue to what you're talking about. The first poster talked about Bush's failures in office. This article is about Bush getting paid for speeches. How is one even remotely similar to the other? And, your analogy doesn't fit the circumstances. First degree murder is first degree murder no matter what the intent is. If intent is the issue then it no longer is first degree murder.
              If you're going to use analogies, try using ones that relate. Or, let the whiney nerzog defend himself (herself). Since he (she) isn't capable of doing anything more than troll, I can understand why he (she) doesn't try. He's (she's) obviously moved on to the next article to troll through.
              But it was good to know you can admit to being a hypocrit when asked.
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              • Author by DellDolly (January 27, 2010 2:04 am ET)
                   
                Clearly you don't have a clue what YOU are talking about!

                The first poster talked about revisionist history trying to make Bush look better than he actually deserves to look!!!

                And this claim that he's not doing any speeches for money is doing that same thing.

                I didn't miss anything. You're the fool who clearly doesn't have very good reading comprehension!

                And I'm not a hypocrite. Ever.
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                • Author by Floyd (January 27, 2010 8:38 am ET)
                     
                  dell-- The first poster talked about revisionist history trying to make Bush look better than he actually deserves to look!!!

                  See, I told you that's what he said. There is NOTHING in his statement that relates it to this article. NOTHING! So, yes, you are clearly a hypocrit this time and 'supposedly' many other times.
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      • Author by watkinsjr966 (January 26, 2010 12:00 pm ET)
           
        Floyd states about George W. Bush:
        "But, that won't stop the whinos from whining about the man who saved the world from ... WMD's that the democrats whined about in 98."
        _________

        Saved the world from WMD's? What WMD's? Are you referring to the WMD's that Bush swore we had ironclad proof that Saddam Hussein had in Iraq? The WMD's the U.S. invaded a country over? The WMD's that have cost us thousands of U.S. lives & billions of tax dollars occupying Iraq over these past seven years?The WMD's that have us bogged down in a seemingly endless quagmire there right now(because if we just left it would lead to anarchy in Iraq that would destabilize the entire Middle East)? The WMD's that never actually existed in the first place? The WMD's that even George W. Bush had to admit years ago did not exist? Are those the WMD's you're talking about Floyd?

        You really should try keeping up with current events Floyd (and history too-the WMD's you think Bush saved us all from were exposed as a hoax YEARS ago).THEY NEVER REALLY EXISTED FLOYD!And might I suggest that you broaden your sources of "information" a little if you do decide to actually keep up with what's going on in the world.A steady diet of Rush + Glenn Beck, Bill OhReally, and the rest of the propaganda machine at Faux(that's the French word for fake Floyd) News has been proven to cause severe brain damage.
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    • Author by Benjamin Kenon (January 25, 2010 12:30 pm ET)
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      They're still working on rehabilitating Reagan and Nixon. They'll be busy for a while...
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