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Blaming Obama for current "fiscal reality," WSJ falsely suggests health care bill will increase deficit

January 27, 2010 8:50 am ET — 46 Comments

Ignoring Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates showing health care reform will reduce deficits, a Wall Street Journal editorial asserted that President Obama should "[d]rop the health-care bill" if Democrats "really are serious" about fiscal responsibility. The editorial further attributed all of the fiscal year 2009 spending to Obama, but the increases in spending and the deficit also reflect the impact of policies enacted under former President Bush.

WSJ: Dems should "[d]rop the health-care bill" if they are "serious" about fiscal discipline

From the January 27 Wall Street Journal editorial:

If the middle-class tax cuts remain, the AMT doesn't soak the middle class and spending grows at its historic norm, then CBO concedes "the deficit in 2020 would be nearly the same, historically large, share of GDP that it is today and the debt held by the public would equal nearly 100% of GDP." Buongiorno, Italia.

Oh, and none of this includes a penny for ObamaCare.

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The tragedy is that Mr. Obama's fiscal conversion is coming a year too late, assuming it is now real. If the President and his party really are serious, they can do more than promise a spending freeze after 2012. They can stop spending more now: Drop the health-care bill, cancel the unspent stimulus spending from last year, kill the $150 billion new stimulus that has already passed the House, and bar all repaid bailout cash from being re-spent. Everything else is marketing.

CBO: Health care reform bills reduce deficits over next 10 years and beyond

CBO: Senate bill yields "a net reduction in federal deficits of $132 billion" over 10 years. On December 19, 2009, CBO reported of the Senate bill incorporating the manager's amendment:

CBO and JCT estimate that the direct spending and revenue effects of enacting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act incorporating the manager's amendment would yield a net reduction in federal deficits of $132 billion over the 2010-2019 period.

CBO also estimated on December 20, 2009, that the bill will continue to reduce the deficit beyond the 10-year budget window that ends in 2019 "with a total effect during that decade that is in a broad range between one-quarter percent and one-half percent of GDP."

CBO estimated the House bill will result in $138 billion in deficit reduction through 2019. On November 20, 2009, CBO reported of the House health care reform legislation, "CBO and JCT now estimate that the legislation would yield a net reduction in deficits of $138 billion over the 10-year period." CBO also stated in its November 6 estimate that "[i]n the subsequent decade, the collective effect of its provisions would probably be slight reductions in federal budget deficits. Those estimates are all subject to substantial uncertainty."

Ignoring Bush-era spending, WSJ asserted Obama "created" the fiscal reality through "record spending spree"

WSJ attributed fiscal year 2009 spending to Obama. In the January 27 editorial, the Journal called Obama "the spender who has sent the federal deficit to levels unseen since World War II" and asserted that Obama "created" this "fiscal reality." Although the Journal acknowledged that "Mr. Obama did inherit a recession" which caused a "collapse in revenues," the editorial continued to attribute all fiscal year 2009 spending to Obama. The Journal stated: "Obama's major contribution to deficits has been a record spending spree. In 2007, before the recession, federal expenditures reached $2.73 trillion. By 2009 expenditures had climbed to $3.52 trillion. In 2009 alone, overall federal spending rose 18%, or $536 billion." The editorial further stated, "CBO shows that over the first three years of the Obama Presidency, 2009-2011, the federal government will borrow an estimated $3.7 trillion," despite the fact that this figure includes spending approved under Bush, who was in office during the first third of fiscal year 2009 and presided over major commitments of federal funds in response to the recession.

CBO: TARP, Fannie, Freddie commitments comprised much of spending increase in FY 2009. CBO stated in its January 2010 Budget and Economic Outlook that "[m]uch of the rise in outlays in 2009 came from mandatory programs." CBO added, "Three initiatives accounted for nearly two-thirds of that increase. Outlays recorded for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) totaled $152 billion in 2009; net payments to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac accounted for another $91 billion; and fiscal stimulus legislation, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA), increased mandatory outlays by $80 billion." The spending for TARP and the Fannie and Freddie conservatorship was approved before Obama was elected.

Spending for unemployment benefits, Medicaid increased as result of recession. CBO also stated of fiscal year 2009:

Outlays for Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare grew at a combined rate of 13 percent (or by $154 billion) in 2009, with nearly one-third of the increase coming from ARRA funding. With that stimulus funding excluded, Social Security outlays rose by 9 percent ($53 billion) last year, primarily because the 5.8 percent cost-of-living adjustment that took effect in January 2009 was the ­largest annual adjustment since 1982. Medicaid spending (excluding stimulus funding) increased by 9 percent ($18 billion) in 2009--exceeding its 7 percent average annual growth rate of the previous 10 years--largely because higher unemployment boosted enrollment in the program. Medicare outlays (including an offset for premium payments) also rose at a faster rate than the average of the past decade, growing by 10 percent ($39 billion).

In addition, payments for unemployment benefits rose by $76 billion in 2009, pushing outlays for that program to more than double the level recorded in 2008. The jump was caused by substantially higher unemployment as well as increased and extended benefits to unemployed workers ($27 billion from ARRA and $17 billion from other legislation). As a whole, all other mandatory spending rose by 5 percent ($17 billion) in 2009. 

New York Times: Obama policies are "responsible for only a sliver of the deficits." According to a budget analysis by The New York Times, "Mr. Obama's main contribution to the deficit is his extension of several Bush policies, like the Iraq war and tax cuts for households making less than $250,000. Such policies -- together with the Wall Street bailout, which was signed by Mr. Bush and supported by Mr. Obama -- account for 20 percent" of the increase between the FY 2008 and FY 2009 budget deficit estimates. The New York Times wrote that 70 percent of the increase is attributed to a combination of economic hardships, including "the fact that both the 2001 recession and the current one reduced tax revenue, required more spending on safety-net programs and changed economists' assumptions about how much in taxes the government would collect in future years" and "new legislation signed by Mr. Bush ... like his tax cuts and the Medicare prescription drug benefit."

CBO projected outlays of $3.5 trillion and deficit of $1.2 trillion for FY 2009 before Obama took office. On January 7, 2009, CBO stated in its Budget and Economic Outlook that "[w]ithout changes in current laws and policies, CBO estimates, outlays will rise from $3.0 trillion in 2008 to $3.5 trillion in 2009." This estimate included $240 billion -- in contrast to the $91 billion recorded at the end of fiscal year 2009 -- for "incorporating the two housing GSEs into the federal budget." Before Obama took office or signed any legislation, CBO had estimated that the deficit would be $1.2 trillion for fiscal year 2009.

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    • Author by wesley (January 27, 2010 9:30 am ET)
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      -- Before Obama took office or signed any legislation, CBO had estimated that the deficit would be $1.2 trillion for fiscal year 2009. -- mmfa

      The 2009 budget passed the senate by a 48-45 vote while Pres.Bush was in office. It had the support of only 2 republican senators. It was a democrat bill...and Sen.Obama voted for it. Don't try to duck the responsibility by claiming it was the fault of Pres.Bush and the republicans.

      Fred Thompson was roundly booed here when he suggested the way to win in Aghanistan was to have Obama campaign for the Taliban...well last night the president's kiss of death worked again.

      He called yesterday to congratulate the undefeated and No.1 ranked Kentucky Wildcats...and you guessed it...they were upset and handed their first loss by South Carolina...LOL.
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 27, 2010 11:08 am ET)
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        Either healthcare reform bill currently being considered (and any other ones that come from this Congress) will cost less than doing nothing.

        That's the point that MMFA raises here and the point that both the WSJ and Weaselly Wesley try to ignore.

        And Weasel keeps up with his distortions and misdirections in other ways too. It isn't the WSJ pointing a finger at Democrats that MMFA takes issue with. It's their pointing a finger at ONE President when they should be pointing that finger at the previous President! It's not rocket science.
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    • Author by nerzog (January 27, 2010 9:33 am ET)
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      I'll offer a rather imperfect sports analogy.

      The Republican Quarterback was in for Two Quarters, and the team fell behind by 21 points. The Democratic Quarterback comes in, and 5 minutes into the Third Quarter, they fall behind 14 more points, and the first Quarterback is standing on the sidelines yelling "You Suck!" at the new Quarterback.
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      • Author by wesley (January 27, 2010 9:40 am ET)
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        At that rate...after trailing at the half by 21 pts... it looks like the democrat QB will lead the team to a 100 pt. loss in the second half...causing more people than just the old QB to raise heck about the new QB.

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    • Author by salg01 (January 27, 2010 9:41 am ET)
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      do you guys really believe it wont raise the deficit?? Name one program from the government that hasent gone waaay over its estimate. You cant because there is none. Think for yourself for once.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (January 27, 2010 10:05 am ET)
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        Name one program whose responsiblities haven't increased over time.
        Deficits only seem to matter under democratic presidents. Which ones actually increased that deficit?
        The CBO estimate is non partisan. The reduction in overhead costs say it will be more economical to the country as a whole. 30 cents on the dollar in the current system.
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        • Author by wesley (January 27, 2010 10:16 am ET)
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          -- Name one program whose responsiblities haven't increased over time. -- eweston

          That's the point...ever expanding govt. and ever expanding debt.

          I'll support the govt. that performs its duty by actually counting the money...rather than counting the responsibilities.
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          • Author by usp (January 27, 2010 10:23 am ET)
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            sure that new, stream lined department of homeland security comes to mind...
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          • Author by usp (January 27, 2010 10:23 am ET)
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            sure that new, stream lined department of homeland security comes to mind...
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          • Author by peace4all (January 27, 2010 10:36 am ET)
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            i agree with you, we need to look at ever expanding government and debt. not their responsibilities. so can i count on you to join me in working to get the defense budget trimmed by half a trillion dollars a year? that would still leave the pentagon with two hundred and fifty billion dollars a year to work with. way more than any other country on earth. that would put a huge dent in the deficit. one other thing we could do to save money would be to cut off foregin aid to these little welfare countries like Israel. we give them billions every year and really get nothing in return. i mean if we don't support social help for our own citizens, like healthcare, why support a foreign country?
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            • Author by wesley (January 27, 2010 10:48 am ET)
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              Nope...because that is one constitutional responsibility that I support...providing a strong national defense.

              Now if you're talking about reforming the spending practices of the defense dept...I'm with you. While providing us with the greatest military on the face of the earth...they are unquestionably the worst stewards of the money appropriated to their budgets.

              We could absolutely reduce the defense budget...by eliminating their shameless wasting of tax payer dollars.
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              • Author by peace4all (January 27, 2010 11:06 am ET)
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                i see, so your in favor of cutting funds that will help real americans in tough times but tottaly in favor of using that money to expand the american empire and kill people. this is why we can never see eye to eye. i care about helping people and you only want to kill them. and btw, the constitution calls for a strong defense. not a strong offense. let me know when the enemy threatens us and we have to defend ourselves. going to blow up another country that has zero means of invading us is not defense.
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                • Author by wesley (January 27, 2010 11:16 am ET)
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                  In a few words...which is all it merits...

                  Nope...nope...9/11 was not a threat...terrorists have already invaded us.
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                  • Author by vhw28672478 (January 27, 2010 11:20 am ET)
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                    Wrong again
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                  • Author by peace4all (January 27, 2010 11:34 am ET)
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                    right, the terrorists invaded us. and of course we attacked Afghanistan because all 19 of the "invaders" was from Saudi Arabia. defense means that we defend our borders. not invade countries that had no role in attacking us.
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                • Author by southerngal (January 27, 2010 11:42 am ET)
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                  "i care about helping people and you only want to kill them"

                  See, this is the kind of crap that trumps any reasonable discussion with some liberals. Our military is first and foremost out to kill people, while bleeding heart liberals just want to help people. It's such inflammatory baloney and the reason far left lunatic liberals should never be in charge of anything in this country other than salting icy roads in remote areas of Alaska.

                  Thankfully they never will be.
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                  • Author by peace4all (January 27, 2010 11:56 am ET)
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                    please explain to me the military role if not to as your hero rush says "kill people and blow things up"
                    and just because you accept your role as war monger don't expect others to feel the same way. there are those of us who think that humanity can do better. maybe i am wrong about that but if you don't at least try you never know.
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                    • Author by southerngal (January 27, 2010 12:31 pm ET)
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                      Well, as I said, those that understand the role of defending this nation and have for over 200 years, in other words, the adults, don't share your wacked out opinion on our military. Have we engaged in conflicts where we shouldn't have? Absolutely. Are we perfect? No.

                      But for anyone to disparage those that serve this country by saying their role is to kill people and blow things up is actually quite ironic. Because of the absolute right in this country you have to espouse such opinions openly and not end up in jail is a direct benefit from those who have done exactly what you loathe, defending your freedoms.

                      Remember that next time you spout off your lunatic leftwing nonsense, and why you're afforded every right and freedom to do so.
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                      • Author by peace4all (January 27, 2010 1:39 pm ET)
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                        so then tell me what freedoms i was defending in Vietnam? us going to war with that country had no bearing on any of our rights. if we did not engage them what would have been lost for the American people?

                        it's people with limited brain capacity like you that keep this country on a war footing for no valid reason.

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                        • Author by southerngal (January 27, 2010 1:43 pm ET)
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                          I would say the person here with the limited brain capacity is the one who didn't comprehend my comment about ill-advised foreign conflicts that we have engaged in.

                          If you think those wars justify saying our military's role is to kill people, then your brain capacity is nonexistent, let alone limited.
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                          • Author by peace4all (January 27, 2010 1:51 pm ET)
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                            ok, seems we won't agree. you can't convince me that we need to have soldiers stationed all over the world like some third rate empire and i won't convince you that killing is never the answer to the worlds troubles.
                            soooo, there ya go.
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                            • Author by foghornleghorn (January 27, 2010 1:58 pm ET)
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                              rightON's reading comprehension problems bubble up to the surface again. What I take from your posts is that unnecessary deaths are the RESULT of our military policies. rightON misreads that to infer you meant the military EXISTS to kill people.

                              It's not that you can't come to an agreement with rightON, it's that rightON pretends he can't comprehend simple english because he's intellectually dishonest.
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                              • Author by southerngal (January 27, 2010 2:04 pm ET)
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                                Nice try fogless, but your rehabilitation try is as asinine as most of your contributions. He said, he defended it, we disagree. Stop being somebody's mommy.
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                                • Author by foghornleghorn (January 27, 2010 2:17 pm ET)
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                                  As always, thanks for coming back with facts/evidence. Oh, that's right, you didn't.

                                  He did not say it, he did not defend it. You're just sore that you've been exposed yet again with your own words.

                                  I think I hear YOUR mommy calling.
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                                  • Author by southerngal (January 27, 2010 2:25 pm ET)
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                                    Really?

                                    "please explain to me the military role if not to as your hero rush says "kill people and blow things up"

                                    You can parse it > "What I take from your posts is that unnecessary deaths are the RESULT of our military policies", or outright lie > "rightON misreads that to infer you meant the military EXISTS to kill people", but you only look ridiculous once again.


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                                    • Author by foghornleghorn (January 27, 2010 2:53 pm ET)
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                                      Parse? peace4all posted a Rush quote, not his own belief.

                                      please explain to me the military role if not to as your hero rush says "kill people and blow things up"

                                      Then, from your own post, rightON:

                                      If you think those wars justify saying our military's role is to kill people..

                                      Oops. I didn't lie. You fail again.
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                                    • Author by clipper1987 (January 27, 2010 3:20 pm ET)
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                                      Of course the military is there to kill people and blow things up. That's what they're trained to do, that's how you win battles. It's not a disparagement, it's just what it is, and I don't think you need to be such an ardent defender of the military's pride.

                                      It is also their sole purpose. Politicians often make the mistake of using the military for peacekeeping, which is a mistake because well, the military role is to kill people and blow things up.

                                      I was in the military, and that's not a disparagement of them at all, and I think you need to see that these liberals decry the use of the military, not the military itself.
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                                      • Author by southerngal (January 27, 2010 5:13 pm ET)
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                                        So it is not a disparagement to tell someone that they would rather kill someone than help someone, or to blithely say the military's role is to kill people. Of course they are trained to carry out their mission, and that includes killing the enemy. But to say that is their role is ridiculous, and offensive. If that's so, then a captured prisoner would be mission fail, according to you. Would you say the role of police in defending city streets is also to kill people?

                                        It is defamatory and absurd. I know liberals decry the use of the military, that is nothing new. But to insult those serving this country as killers is decrying the military itself.

                                        Being an ex-military person yourself you should know that.
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                                        • Author by foghornleghorn (January 27, 2010 7:54 pm ET)
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                                          But to insult those serving this country as killers is decrying the military itself

                                          The thing is, nobody's insulting the military. You're again being intellectually dishonest. Try again.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (January 27, 2010 12:02 pm ET)
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                    Wrong again. Let's ask an expert who espouses the "liberal" point of view:

                    Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

                    Know who said that?

                    (Hint - his initials are DDE)
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                  • Author by wesley (January 27, 2010 12:02 pm ET)
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                    -- this is the kind of crap that trumps any reasonable discussion with some liberals. -- RO

                    You're dead on...that's why I usually don't waste much time with certain posters and their radical left wing views.

                    Some are on my "read quickly for a hearty laugh" and others are simply on my "do not read...just cruise right on by" mode.
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                    • Author by peace4all (January 27, 2010 1:52 pm ET)
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                      i think it's funny that you troll liberal sites and then complain about liberal viewpoints. do you just like to annoy yourself?
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                      • Author by southerngal (January 27, 2010 1:57 pm ET)
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                        Whoa. I don't complain about liberal viewpoints but that's not what yours was. It was a radical ridiculous depiction of our military, and I doubt it's shared by any reasonable liberal.
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                        • Author by peace4all (January 27, 2010 2:05 pm ET)
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                          was i talking to you? <scrolls up>
                          nope, was not addressing you at all.
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          • Author by eweston8542983 (January 27, 2010 11:02 am ET)
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            So take the second point. Which presidents left with a better track record on this issue?
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            • Author by wesley (January 27, 2010 11:12 am ET)
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              I'll take congressional spending for $200, Alex.

              Presidents can beat the bully pulpit for more spending or less spending...but it's the congress that spends the money.

              I'll be glad to take a squint at that proposal if you care to provide it.
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      • Author by The_Cat (January 27, 2010 10:27 am ET)
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        Social Security was actually in the black until the 1980s, at which point Ronald Reagan took office. Dusting off a bunch of cancelled Defense Department projects, like SDI, put his whole budget deep into the red, something not helped by the massive tax cuts his first year in office.

        Reagan had two choices. Kill the programs, and irritate the 'military-industrial complex' that put him in power, or raise taxes and plunder the Social Security surplus. He chose the latter. This is just one more reason why he was a completely worthless president.

        Social Security, had it not been robbed to make Ronnie's budget look better, would be in fine shape. Were Social Security taxes taken out of all payroll income, rather than just the first $100,000 in a given year, Social Security would be fine. Means testing, so that millionaires who don't need their Socical Security checks don't get them, would keep Social Security in the black for the forseeable future.

        I think for myself everyday, salg01. Perhaps you should do something besides copying and pasting Faux Con talking points.
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      • Author by sjw (January 27, 2010 4:39 pm ET)
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        What's your point?

        The CBO gave its best estimate - is the govt suppose to take that model and disregard the results? From your standpoint, all govt initiatives should just have random numbers assigned to them as long as they are negative.

        I'm not saying the CBO is right/wrong, but you work with the results that were given!
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        • Author by DellDolly (January 27, 2010 5:54 pm ET)
             
          Exactly. They argue against the CBO's accuracy for 2 reasons - to derail the thread, and because it's the only thing they have, since they can't actually argue that the WSJ was correct or appropriate in their accusations!
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          • Author by southerngal (January 27, 2010 6:03 pm ET)
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            You keep bringing this up and every time you come across as a fool. The CBOs accuracy is the basis for every thread that MMfA puts up here, MMfA pushes these numbers as if they are accurate and the point that seems to fly over your head is that historically they are not.

            So for MMfA to criticize a media outlet for not buying into something that has been historically inaccurate is misplaced and disingenuous.

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            • Author by sjw (January 27, 2010 8:26 pm ET)
                 
              You obviously don't understand the term "estimate". If the CBO had a crystal ball, then it would make things a lot easier. But, alas, the ability to tell the future has not yet been invented.

              I've worked in developing complex financial models for much of my professional career. When you're trying to model future events, with many unknowns and the magnitude of dollars, there's going to be variances from the actual results. I'm not saying the CBO is going to be right because I didn't get to review their methodology/assumptions, but for the WSJ to state they know better, is completely ridiculous!

              And MMFA is perfectly within their rights to criticize those who take umbrage with non-partisan forecasts. If the best information they have indicates a cost savings, that is what should be used. Would you be happier if they pulled out a WAG, provided it showed it would increase the debt? Then I'm sure you would argue the cost was still understated.

              Now if you're too dense to understand that, then you're beyond hope. Your kind is what is damaging the ability of this country to perform effectively.
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