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Memo to media: Obama's comments on Supreme Court decision in line with four justices' views

January 28, 2010 1:10 am ET — 54 Comments

Two posts on National Review Online claimed that President Obama was untruthful when he said that the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC "open[ed] the floodgates for special interests - including foreign corporations - to spend without limit in our elections." In fact, four justices of the Supreme Court agreed that the logic of the decision "would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans" to make certain election-related expenditures.

NRO: Obama's statements about Citizens United was demagogic, "false"

Ponnuru: "[P]resident claimed, falsely, that the Supreme Court had given a green light to foreign corporations to run political ads." In a post  on NRO's The Corner blog, Ponnuru stated: "The most demagogic moment (so far!) came when the president claimed, falsely, that the Supreme Court had given a green light to foreign corporations to run political ads."

Bradley Smith on NRO: "President wrong on Citizens United case." From a post  by law professor and former FEC commissioner Bradley A. Smith:

Tonight the president engaged in demogoguery of the worst kind, when he claimed that last week's Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. FEC, "open[ed] the floodgates for special interests - including foreign corporations - to spend without limit in our elections. Well I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities."

The president's statement is false.

The Court held that 2 U.S.C. Section 441a, which prohibits all corporate political spending, is unconstitutional. Foreign nationals, specifically defined to include foreign corporations, are prohibiting from making "a contribution or donation of money or ather thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State or local election" under 2 U.S.C. Section 441e, which was not at issue in the case. Foreign corporations are also prohibited, under 2 U.S.C. 441e, from making any contribution or donation to any committee of any political party, and they prohibited from making any "expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication... ."

This is either blithering ignorance of the law, or demogoguery of the worst kind.

Four justices: Logic of decision would appear to protect "multinational corporations controlled by foreigners"

Stevens: Logic of decision "would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans." From Justice John Paul Stevens opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part in Citizens United v. FEC - an opinion joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, and Sonia Sotomayor (footnotes omitted):

If taken seriously, our colleagues' assumption that the identity of a speaker has no relevance to the Government's ability to regulate political speech would lead to some remarkable conclusions. Such an assumption would have accorded the propaganda broadcasts to our troops by "Tokyo Rose" during World War II the same protection as speech by Allied commanders. More pertinently, it would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans: To do otherwise, after all, could " 'enhance the relative voice' " of some ( i.e. , humans) over others ( i.e. , nonhumans). Ante , at 33 (quoting Buckley , 424 U. S., at 49). Under the majority's view, I suppose it may be a First Amendment problem that corporations are not permitted to vote, given that voting is, among other things, a form of speech.

Stevens: Decision will "cripple" government's ability to prevent "corporate domination of the electoral process." Stevens also wrote:

The Court's blinkered and aphoristic approach to the First Amendment may well promote corporate power at the cost of the individual and collective self-expression the Amendment was meant to serve. It will undoubtedly cripple the ability of ordinary citizens, Congress, and the States to adopt even limited measures to protect against corporate domination of the electoral process. Americans may be forgiven if they do not feel the Court has advanced the cause of self-government today.

Smith himself reportedly said decision could open door to foreign corporate cash. David Weigel reported in The Washington Independent:

Former FEC Chairman Bradley Smith tells me that, indeed, the decision seems to let foreign corporations spend whatever they like, as long as they find a loophole that protect them from the ban on election spending by foreign citizens.

"To the extent that there may be some foreign corporations that don't fall under the category of foreign nationals, that might be something Congress can deal with," said Smith. "I think the court would probably uphold the constitutionality of that. I can't say for certain that they would."

Other experts say Citizens United decision might lead to campaign money from foreign corporations

Several experts argue that decision opens door to campaign money from U.S. subsidiaries of foreign corporations. Politico reported: " 'It is a plausible inference from the court's opinion that [foreign] money can't be restricted,' said Michael Dorf, a Cornell law professor who has backed giving foreigners the right to contribute to U.S. campaigns. 'For me, that's not such a terrible thing.' " Campaign finance reform advocate Fred Wertheimer stated: "Under the Supreme Court decision, foreign countries, such as China (and its Sovereign Wealth Fund, the China Investment Corporation), foreign corporations and foreign individuals are now able to make campaign expenditures to directly support or oppose federal candidates, so long as these expenditures are made through foreign-controlled domestic corporations." A post on the Center for Public Integrity website reported:

Some legal observers fear the ruling would open up the floodgates for any corporation operating in the United States, no matter who owns them. J. Gerald Hebert, executive director and director of litigation at the non-partisan Campaign Legal Center, told the Center for Public Integrity that the existing prohibition on foreign involvement does not refer to foreign controlled domestic corporations. "With the corporate campaign expenditure ban now being declared unconstitutional, domestic corporations controlled by foreign governments or other foreign entities are free to spend money to elect or defeat federal candidates," he believes.

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    • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 8:04 am ET)
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      To think that unlimited money foreign and domestic isn't already being pouring into campaign financing is as naive as there being 57 or are there 58 states.

      Most likely it is front organizations like Acorn and their lawyers who are complaining that money will no longer have to be funneled through them to make it to the candidate.

      Then to think that the Constitution can be ignored and Congress can try to pass another unconstitutional piece of legislation is business as usual for this administration.

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      • Author by eweston8542983 (January 28, 2010 10:42 am ET)
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        I've seen items about Acorn supporting a candidate with endorsements, telling their people to support a candidate, but nothing about contributions of money to candidates.

        Your source?
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        • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 12:44 pm ET)
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          Perhaps I worded it incorrectly.

          If a foreign power wants a particular candidate to win, they will find a way around any law that restricts financing.

          To think that one or two branches of government can violate the Constitution to achieve an idealistic goal is infantile.

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          • Author by txthinker (January 28, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
               
            To think that the Supreme Court did not just make a bonehead decision is just plain naive.
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      • Author by acmetech (January 28, 2010 10:49 am ET)
           
        Whether or not it's already happening is just as irrelevant as is how many states there are. Whether or not it's part of an Acorn plot is also irrelevant. Passing unconstitutional legislation is "business as usual"?

        While you're at it, you might as well ask Obama when he stopped beating his wife.

        Not a single coherent point here, much less "valid".

        Not to mention... the fact that four justices dissented pretty well proves how this is not a cut and dry constitutional issue.
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      • Author by sjw (January 28, 2010 11:21 am ET)
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        I see, so giving rights to corporations (which, by the way, is not in the Constitution), is going to make the influx of money better?

        By the way, you lost all credibility by your ACORN reference. Just another partisan hack who is too ignorant to ascertain the facts.
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        • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 3:08 pm ET)
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          Somebody wanted a reference and I replied with one.

          Are you trying to say corporations are not entitled to freedom of speech?

          Typical brainless reply is to say I am ignorant of too many facts and have no credibility without mentioning a single fact that I have wrong.



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          • Author by sjw (January 28, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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            You're the one that introduced the Constituion into the conversation, not me. Show me where this document even mentions constitutions.

            I've now given you one example where you were wrong. Eweston showed you were wrong about ACORN - now that's two examples. And that's only from one short post.

            Thank you for proving my point that you're dead from the neck up.
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 28, 2010 11:28 am ET)
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        Jose2's post is a derailing troll post. The issue is NOT whether or not foreign money is already coming into our political process. He throws in the baseless charge that Obama actually THOUGHT that there are 57 states in the USA (he was thinking about how he'd been to 47 and was going to get to 48 states soon, and thinking about how there are 50 states, and so he said 57), and then throws in ACORN for good measure.

        It's all a troll post. Please don't feed the troll any more.
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        • Author by acmetech (January 28, 2010 11:36 am ET)
             
          Give Jose2 a break. At least he didn't call Obama a Muslim terrorist. Well, not in this post, anyway.

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        • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 3:17 pm ET)
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          So your biggest argument to defend your way of thinking is that I am a troll? You are pathetic.

          I was equating Obama's level of knowledge that he has with the Constitution to the level he has with America. A third grader knows more about America than Obama.

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          • Author by sjw (January 28, 2010 4:01 pm ET)
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            Thanks for giving me a third example of where you are wrong - Obama is vastly more knowledgeable about the constitution than you and any third grader.

            This is too easy - it's like having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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            • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 4:40 pm ET)
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              A third grader knows how many states there are.

              Again, you have no specifics, you lose.

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              • Author by DellDolly (January 28, 2010 8:08 pm ET)
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                Obama knows how many states there are, you troll. There's no doubt that he knows that. As you said, any 3rd grader should know that. So, the ONLY reasonable assumption is the one I posited above, that flew right over YOUR head.

                It seems clear that YOU are the one whose education level is suspect - you couldn't figure out, by now, after that false talking point has been exposed as such countless times, that it's a false talking point?

                Stop. Doing. Drugs. NOW!
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              • Author by sjw (January 29, 2010 8:29 am ET)
                   
                I posted three specifics where you are wrong. At least a third grader can count to three.

                But, I'll give you some brownie points for being consistently wrong.
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          • Author by Civic Racecar (January 29, 2010 2:04 pm ET)
               
            It's so sad that he was teaching Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School when he has only a 3rd grade understanding of the Constitution.

            Your argument is a non-sequitur. The fact that he made a mistake and misspoke about the number of states in the US does not mean that he doesn't understand the Constitution.

            I'm quite certain that he has more knowledge about the Constitution than you do Jose2, especially considering that he taught it for 12yrs.
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    • Author by skuttr (January 28, 2010 8:19 am ET)
         
      Didn't the Al Gore have a problem with fundraising Chinese money during the Clinton years?

      My bigger issue with what Obama did last night was his lack of respect for the judiciary branch. It was on the level of Joe Wilson's "You lie!" comment and I think he needs to be reprimanded.
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    • Author by sheerinsanity (January 28, 2010 8:52 am ET)
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      Obama didn't go far enough in my opinion. The SCOTUS has just opened the door for a government bought and paid for by huge corporations, foreign and domestic. What's going's going to stop the corporations from blatantly buying ourgovernment? "Conscience?"

      The same "conscience" that led Wal-Mart to lock employees inside overnight?

      The same "conscience" that allowed Big Oil and greedy speculators alike to jack up gas prices in 2008 and thus being partially responsible for the collapse?

      The same "conscience" that emboldens Wall Street banks to pay huge bonuses to the fat pigs who are completely responsible for the financial collapse?

      Or the same "conscience" that causes health insurance companies to, day after day, deny coverage to folks who are sick, have pre-existing conditions, are too skinny, too fat, or simply have committed the terrible crime of being a woman or a minority?

      What's going to stop these pigs?
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      • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 11:12 am ET)
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        The only way to stop the pigs is to pass some amendments to the Constitution that will make it so no one can succeed and get rich except government party members.



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        • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 11:18 am ET)
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          On second thought, there is no need to pass amendments. Obama can simply issue executive orders.


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          • Author by proudObamasupporter (January 29, 2010 8:36 am ET)
               
            So Obama issues an executive order for a committee to study the deficit and look for ways to reduce it and you have a problem with that. Bush used 279 executive orders, including one that allowed torture. How do you feel about that?

            And by the way, I am sure you know that Obama is aware of how many states we have. Is the fact that he made a slip of the tongue during a grueling campaign the best you got? I don't suppose you ever made a mistake in your life! But hey, keep taking the high road, it is what we have come to expect anyway. LOL
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 28, 2010 1:48 pm ET)
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          What in the world are you babbling about? Your post and logic is pure nonsense. Please explain what the heck you are trying to get at.

          The only way to stop the pigs is to pass amendments to the Constitution that no one can succeed? Are you insane?
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          • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 5:03 pm ET)
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            I was paraphrasing what Obama said, of course it is insane.



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          • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 5:07 pm ET)
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            Here is the quote - different issue but same contempt for other branches of government.

            “Yesterday, the Senate blocked a bill that would have created this commission. So I will issue an executive order that will allow us to go forward, because I refuse to pass this problem on to another generation of Americans."

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            • Author by eweston8542983 (January 28, 2010 6:39 pm ET)
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              What bill was he refferencing?

              Issuing an executive order shows contempt for other branches of government? I don't think I'm along in wishing he'd set a figurative fire under a couple legislators of his own party.
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              • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 7:18 pm ET)
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                He said the legislative branch didn't do want he wanted so he was going to issue an executive order to get them to do it.

                He also said he was going to go to Congress to undo the recent Supreme Court decision on free speech.

                He is defying both both branches of government who are supposed to be providing checks and balances.

                Apparently you don't, but I do see a pattern emerging.

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                • Author by DellDolly (January 28, 2010 8:11 pm ET)
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                  Duh, you're wrong again!

                  The executive order he's going to do is for a commission to try to work on reducing the deficit.

                  Much like the base closure commission that didn't allow politics to come into decisions about what bases to close, the commission he hoped the Congress would authorize would allow for deficit reduction suggestions. Since they didn't pass it via statute, he will do a similar thing with an executive order.

                  Do you have ANY clue, ever? It sure doesn't appear that you do!
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                  • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 9:10 pm ET)
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                    I may be clueless but Obama is much more clueless than me.

                    It seems that he didn't even read the Supreme Court decision before blasting it in his speech last night where members of the Supreme Court gave their respect by attending it.


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                  • Author by egb (January 29, 2010 4:19 am ET)
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                    An executive order to do the job of the House. Does that make sense? Who is he kidding? "base closure commission that didn't allow politics..." - Were you not reading or listening to the news when that commission reported? Do you recall the interventions by Senators and Representatives to save bases?

                    O politicized his own commission by his need to appoint more D's than R's to the commission. That means the only way to reduce the deficit is to raise taxes. Do D's ever want to a cut programs? Clinton did, but do progressives want to reduce the EPA budget, the DOE budget, Labor, Housing, transportation, ...?

                    Deficit commission by his proposal is not bipartisan because O has declared it to be biased in his own definition. Dumb idea. Congress was right to discard it.
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                • Author by eweston8542983 (January 28, 2010 8:32 pm ET)
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                  If you not going to answer a question, why do you bother to reply J2?

                  How were you at detecting patterns of administrative abuse before 2009?
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                  • Author by jose2 (January 28, 2010 9:14 pm ET)
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                    What makes you think I didn't complain about Bush?

                    I detected plenty of previous politicians' riffraff.

                    I'm looking at your reply and it looks like I answered all of your questions.





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                    • Author by eweston8542983 (January 28, 2010 11:31 pm ET)
                         
                      You never refferenced the bill you were talking about on you 7:18 post DellDolly picked up the slack.

                      Your complaint about Obama's coments on the the attending court members. How does this compare to shrubs SOTU addresses in which he would yearly lambast activist judges.

                      Your support of wingnut talking points makes me think you didn't complain about shrub.

                      I'm not asking for an example of your solidarity with some supposed liberal litmus test or standard. I just want to see a serious post from you which does not offer gratuitous insults and ignorance of the legal actions all administrations use to do the business of governing.
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                      • Author by jose2 (January 29, 2010 7:46 am ET)
                           
                        If Obama does something idiotic, why do i need to compare it to some other idiot?

                        Your arguing strategy is little more than name calling and changing the subject.



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                        • Author by eweston8542983 (January 29, 2010 10:33 am ET)
                             
                          You have not made a case for the idiotic call. Do so.

                          I think I have a basis for using the names.

                          I keep trying to pry details out of you. This is changing the subject?
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                          • Author by jose2 (January 29, 2010 10:52 am ET)
                               
                            You wouldn't know a case if it fell on your head.

                            Apparently you think it is alright to disrespect the Supreme Court.


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                            • Author by eweston8542983 (January 29, 2010 11:26 am ET)
                                 
                              What kind of case?

                              Classic strawman statement, for me? I'll always keep it close to my heart. Thank you.
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                              • Author by jose2 (January 29, 2010 11:34 am ET)
                                   
                                Disrespect for the Supreme Court is disrespect for the Constitution.

                                I don't see how that is a straw man argument unless you share that same disrespect.



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                                • Author by jarossiter (January 29, 2010 11:43 am ET)
                                     
                                  Then disrespect for Congress is desrespect for the Constitution and disrespect for the President is disrespect for the Constituion.
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                                • Author by eweston8542983 (January 29, 2010 12:08 pm ET)
                                     
                                  The strawman is that I disrespect the supreme court.

                                  Got no love for certain members and will disagree with them. This does not equate to disrespect for the court. This is my first amendment right.
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                                  • Author by jose2 (January 29, 2010 12:55 pm ET)
                                       
                                    Obama publicly disrespected the Supreme Court so in my mind that shows a contempt for the balance of power provided by the Constitution and makes him an idiot.
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                                    • Author by jose2 (January 29, 2010 12:57 pm ET)
                                         
                                      And as a side note it has been reported that Obama did not even read the Supreme Court's decision to see the reasoning that was applied.

                                      If true, that would raise his level of idiocy.

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    • Author by Dradeeus (January 29, 2010 12:30 am ET)
         
      I gotta be honest, I'm not that worried about foreign corporations, and think it's just an unnecessary "gotcha" against Republicans, seeing how the ones usually given as examples are rich Saudi companies. (Essentially using Republican terrorist-association racism against them.)

      That said, I'm worried over our own corporations, not theirs'. We're the wealthiest country, we have the largest corporations, plus our corporations' reach extends all over the world.
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    • Author by mookie von zipper (January 29, 2010 3:01 am ET)
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      memo to media matters:

      congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or of the press...

      reporting from murderland ranch,
      i'm mookie von zipper
      massmurdermedia

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      • Author by jose2 (January 29, 2010 1:07 pm ET)
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        Before taking the oath of office, Obama should have been required to read the Constitution.


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        • Author by mookie von zipper (January 29, 2010 2:07 pm ET)
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          pretty sad display by a former professor of constitutional law, no less...

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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 29, 2010 5:32 pm ET)
               
            How does that amendment apply to CITGO or any other American subsidiary of a foreign corporation? What does the first amendment have to do with corporations? Is this really the best you guys can do?
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            • Author by Dradeeus (January 29, 2010 5:40 pm ET)
                 
              Every employee of the corporation still has full first amendment constitutional rights of free speech. They are all completely free to spend their own money on any candidate they want.

              If a corporation gets free speech, it's almost like getting two voices. I really don't see how this is any different than saying... "I'm giving $1000, but my cat, who also has first amendment rights, is also giving $550,000."

              ...Provided my cat was making billions in profits.
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              • Author by fairliberal (January 29, 2010 8:24 pm ET)
                   
                Should the unions have the constitutional rights of free speech?
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            • Author by mookie von zipper (January 29, 2010 6:56 pm ET)
                 
              the 1st amendment has nothing to do with any corporate entity, foreign or domestic, and everything to do with congress making no laws curbing or fostering free speech... no law means "butt out, mr congressman. especially you two, mccain & feingold"...

              what seems to be in dispute is obama's notion that this ruling opens a floodgate of special interest influence when, even with mccain-feingold, was still quite prevalent thru various loopholes... as for foreign influence, the ruling had nothing to do with current fec regulations in that area, and while the fec clearly was wrong in the citizens united case, foreign contributions were not at issue here, no matter what obama says, no matter what the 4 dissenting justices say, and certainly no matter what media matters says...

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              • Author by jose2 (January 30, 2010 7:01 am ET)
                   
                It is interesting how the dissenters wanted to view the first ten amendments (Bill of Rights) as individual rights.

                Which then triggers a problem for them on the second amendment to own guns that they want to say is not an individual right but rather a government right.
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                • Author by mookie von zipper (January 30, 2010 2:25 pm ET)
                     
                  funny how a simple document can be interpreted so differently by everyone... the so called "establishment clause" in the 1st amendment has been successfully bastardized by the likes of the aclu as a de facto law proclaiming separation of church and state when it's nothing of the sort...

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    • Author by proudObamasupporter (January 29, 2010 8:41 am ET)
         
      I have a solution. Make all politicians wear patches signifying the corporations they are being sponsored by, just like in Nascar.
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    • Author by fairliberal (January 29, 2010 8:27 pm ET)
         
      Meno to media matters, Alito's opinion is in line with 5 Supreme Court justice's and almost all of the constitutional scholars and lawyers that I have heard speak on the issue.

      And in case they did not know it, 5 is one more than 4.
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