Memo to media: Obama's comments on Supreme Court decision in line with four justices' views
Two posts on National Review Online claimed that President Obama was untruthful when he said that the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC "open[ed] the floodgates for special interests - including foreign corporations - to spend without limit in our elections." In fact, four justices of the Supreme Court agreed that the logic of the decision "would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans" to make certain election-related expenditures.
NRO: Obama's statements about Citizens United was demagogic, "false"
Ponnuru: "[P]resident claimed, falsely, that the Supreme Court had given a green light to foreign corporations to run political ads." In a post on NRO's The Corner blog, Ponnuru stated: "The most demagogic moment (so far!) came when the president claimed, falsely, that the Supreme Court had given a green light to foreign corporations to run political ads."
Bradley Smith on NRO: "President wrong on Citizens United case." From a post by law professor and former FEC commissioner Bradley A. Smith:
Tonight the president engaged in demogoguery of the worst kind, when he claimed that last week's Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. FEC, "open[ed] the floodgates for special interests - including foreign corporations - to spend without limit in our elections. Well I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities."
The president's statement is false.
The Court held that 2 U.S.C. Section 441a, which prohibits all corporate political spending, is unconstitutional. Foreign nationals, specifically defined to include foreign corporations, are prohibiting from making "a contribution or donation of money or ather thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State or local election" under 2 U.S.C. Section 441e, which was not at issue in the case. Foreign corporations are also prohibited, under 2 U.S.C. 441e, from making any contribution or donation to any committee of any political party, and they prohibited from making any "expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication... ."
This is either blithering ignorance of the law, or demogoguery of the worst kind.
Four justices: Logic of decision would appear to protect "multinational corporations controlled by foreigners"
Stevens: Logic of decision "would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans." From Justice John Paul Stevens opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part in Citizens United v. FEC - an opinion joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, and Sonia Sotomayor (footnotes omitted):
If taken seriously, our colleagues' assumption that the identity of a speaker has no relevance to the Government's ability to regulate political speech would lead to some remarkable conclusions. Such an assumption would have accorded the propaganda broadcasts to our troops by "Tokyo Rose" during World War II the same protection as speech by Allied commanders. More pertinently, it would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans: To do otherwise, after all, could " 'enhance the relative voice' " of some ( i.e. , humans) over others ( i.e. , nonhumans). Ante , at 33 (quoting Buckley , 424 U. S., at 49). Under the majority's view, I suppose it may be a First Amendment problem that corporations are not permitted to vote, given that voting is, among other things, a form of speech.
Stevens: Decision will "cripple" government's ability to prevent "corporate domination of the electoral process." Stevens also wrote:
The Court's blinkered and aphoristic approach to the First Amendment may well promote corporate power at the cost of the individual and collective self-expression the Amendment was meant to serve. It will undoubtedly cripple the ability of ordinary citizens, Congress, and the States to adopt even limited measures to protect against corporate domination of the electoral process. Americans may be forgiven if they do not feel the Court has advanced the cause of self-government today.
Smith himself reportedly said decision could open door to foreign corporate cash. David Weigel reported in The Washington Independent:
Former FEC Chairman Bradley Smith tells me that, indeed, the decision seems to let foreign corporations spend whatever they like, as long as they find a loophole that protect them from the ban on election spending by foreign citizens.
"To the extent that there may be some foreign corporations that don't fall under the category of foreign nationals, that might be something Congress can deal with," said Smith. "I think the court would probably uphold the constitutionality of that. I can't say for certain that they would."
Other experts say Citizens United decision might lead to campaign money from foreign corporations
Several experts argue that decision opens door to campaign money from U.S. subsidiaries of foreign corporations. Politico reported: " 'It is a plausible inference from the court's opinion that [foreign] money can't be restricted,' said Michael Dorf, a Cornell law professor who has backed giving foreigners the right to contribute to U.S. campaigns. 'For me, that's not such a terrible thing.' " Campaign finance reform advocate Fred Wertheimer stated: "Under the Supreme Court decision, foreign countries, such as China (and its Sovereign Wealth Fund, the China Investment Corporation), foreign corporations and foreign individuals are now able to make campaign expenditures to directly support or oppose federal candidates, so long as these expenditures are made through foreign-controlled domestic corporations." A post on the Center for Public Integrity website reported:
Some legal observers fear the ruling would open up the floodgates for any corporation operating in the United States, no matter who owns them. J. Gerald Hebert, executive director and director of litigation at the non-partisan Campaign Legal Center, told the Center for Public Integrity that the existing prohibition on foreign involvement does not refer to foreign controlled domestic corporations. "With the corporate campaign expenditure ban now being declared unconstitutional, domestic corporations controlled by foreign governments or other foreign entities are free to spend money to elect or defeat federal candidates," he believes.
















Most likely it is front organizations like Acorn and their lawyers who are complaining that money will no longer have to be funneled through them to make it to the candidate.
Then to think that the Constitution can be ignored and Congress can try to pass another unconstitutional piece of legislation is business as usual for this administration.
Your source?
If a foreign power wants a particular candidate to win, they will find a way around any law that restricts financing.
To think that one or two branches of government can violate the Constitution to achieve an idealistic goal is infantile.
While you're at it, you might as well ask Obama when he stopped beating his wife.
Not a single coherent point here, much less "valid".
Not to mention... the fact that four justices dissented pretty well proves how this is not a cut and dry constitutional issue.
By the way, you lost all credibility by your ACORN reference. Just another partisan hack who is too ignorant to ascertain the facts.
Are you trying to say corporations are not entitled to freedom of speech?
Typical brainless reply is to say I am ignorant of too many facts and have no credibility without mentioning a single fact that I have wrong.
I've now given you one example where you were wrong. Eweston showed you were wrong about ACORN - now that's two examples. And that's only from one short post.
Thank you for proving my point that you're dead from the neck up.
It's all a troll post. Please don't feed the troll any more.
I was equating Obama's level of knowledge that he has with the Constitution to the level he has with America. A third grader knows more about America than Obama.
This is too easy - it's like having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Again, you have no specifics, you lose.
It seems clear that YOU are the one whose education level is suspect - you couldn't figure out, by now, after that false talking point has been exposed as such countless times, that it's a false talking point?
Stop. Doing. Drugs. NOW!
But, I'll give you some brownie points for being consistently wrong.
Your argument is a non-sequitur. The fact that he made a mistake and misspoke about the number of states in the US does not mean that he doesn't understand the Constitution.
I'm quite certain that he has more knowledge about the Constitution than you do Jose2, especially considering that he taught it for 12yrs.
My bigger issue with what Obama did last night was his lack of respect for the judiciary branch. It was on the level of Joe Wilson's "You lie!" comment and I think he needs to be reprimanded.
The same "conscience" that led Wal-Mart to lock employees inside overnight?
The same "conscience" that allowed Big Oil and greedy speculators alike to jack up gas prices in 2008 and thus being partially responsible for the collapse?
The same "conscience" that emboldens Wall Street banks to pay huge bonuses to the fat pigs who are completely responsible for the financial collapse?
Or the same "conscience" that causes health insurance companies to, day after day, deny coverage to folks who are sick, have pre-existing conditions, are too skinny, too fat, or simply have committed the terrible crime of being a woman or a minority?
What's going to stop these pigs?
And by the way, I am sure you know that Obama is aware of how many states we have. Is the fact that he made a slip of the tongue during a grueling campaign the best you got? I don't suppose you ever made a mistake in your life! But hey, keep taking the high road, it is what we have come to expect anyway. LOL
The only way to stop the pigs is to pass amendments to the Constitution that no one can succeed? Are you insane?
“Yesterday, the Senate blocked a bill that would have created this commission. So I will issue an executive order that will allow us to go forward, because I refuse to pass this problem on to another generation of Americans."
Issuing an executive order shows contempt for other branches of government? I don't think I'm along in wishing he'd set a figurative fire under a couple legislators of his own party.
He also said he was going to go to Congress to undo the recent Supreme Court decision on free speech.
He is defying both both branches of government who are supposed to be providing checks and balances.
Apparently you don't, but I do see a pattern emerging.
The executive order he's going to do is for a commission to try to work on reducing the deficit.
Much like the base closure commission that didn't allow politics to come into decisions about what bases to close, the commission he hoped the Congress would authorize would allow for deficit reduction suggestions. Since they didn't pass it via statute, he will do a similar thing with an executive order.
Do you have ANY clue, ever? It sure doesn't appear that you do!
It seems that he didn't even read the Supreme Court decision before blasting it in his speech last night where members of the Supreme Court gave their respect by attending it.
O politicized his own commission by his need to appoint more D's than R's to the commission. That means the only way to reduce the deficit is to raise taxes. Do D's ever want to a cut programs? Clinton did, but do progressives want to reduce the EPA budget, the DOE budget, Labor, Housing, transportation, ...?
Deficit commission by his proposal is not bipartisan because O has declared it to be biased in his own definition. Dumb idea. Congress was right to discard it.
How were you at detecting patterns of administrative abuse before 2009?
I detected plenty of previous politicians' riffraff.
I'm looking at your reply and it looks like I answered all of your questions.
Your complaint about Obama's coments on the the attending court members. How does this compare to shrubs SOTU addresses in which he would yearly lambast activist judges.
Your support of wingnut talking points makes me think you didn't complain about shrub.
I'm not asking for an example of your solidarity with some supposed liberal litmus test or standard. I just want to see a serious post from you which does not offer gratuitous insults and ignorance of the legal actions all administrations use to do the business of governing.
Your arguing strategy is little more than name calling and changing the subject.
I think I have a basis for using the names.
I keep trying to pry details out of you. This is changing the subject?
Apparently you think it is alright to disrespect the Supreme Court.
Classic strawman statement, for me? I'll always keep it close to my heart. Thank you.
I don't see how that is a straw man argument unless you share that same disrespect.
Got no love for certain members and will disagree with them. This does not equate to disrespect for the court. This is my first amendment right.
If true, that would raise his level of idiocy.
That said, I'm worried over our own corporations, not theirs'. We're the wealthiest country, we have the largest corporations, plus our corporations' reach extends all over the world.
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If a corporation gets free speech, it's almost like getting two voices. I really don't see how this is any different than saying... "I'm giving $1000, but my cat, who also has first amendment rights, is also giving $550,000."
...Provided my cat was making billions in profits.
what seems to be in dispute is obama's notion that this ruling opens a floodgate of special interest influence when, even with mccain-feingold, was still quite prevalent thru various loopholes... as for foreign influence, the ruling had nothing to do with current fec regulations in that area, and while the fec clearly was wrong in the citizens united case, foreign contributions were not at issue here, no matter what obama says, no matter what the 4 dissenting justices say, and certainly no matter what media matters says...
Which then triggers a problem for them on the second amendment to own guns that they want to say is not an individual right but rather a government right.
And in case they did not know it, 5 is one more than 4.