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Fox News still falsely comparing health care reform legislation to Canadian system

February 04, 2010 9:50 am ET — 23 Comments

Fox News has seized upon reports that Canadian Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is seeking medical treatment in the United States to criticize health care reform, claiming that his medical decision casts doubt on the Canadian system and that the Democrats' health care reform legislation would "change our system to be more like Canada's." In fact, the health care legislation proposed by both the House and Senate is not modeled after the Canadian single-payer system and maintains the majority of the private health care industry.

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Fox News uses Canadian premier's heart surgery to attack health care reform

Johnson: "Government-run health care ... isn't cracked up to what some people say." On the February 3 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Fox News legal analyst Peter Johnson Jr. used the report that Williams traveled to the United States for heart surgery to attack health care reform. Co-host Steve Doocy suggested that health care reform is an attempt to model the American health care system after Canada's by claiming, "This is not good if you're going to say, OK, the Canadian system, which perhaps we could model ours on, is great." Johnson replied, "Government-run health care apparently ... isn't cracked up to what some people say."

Van Susteren asks, "[S]hould we really change our system to be more like Canada's?" On the February 3 edition of Fox News' On the Record, host Greta Van Susteren introduced a segment about Williams' heart surgery by saying, "If you think we should have more government-run health care, listen to this." After explaining Williams' decision, Van Susteren asked, "So, if this guy is leaving Canada for treatment, should we really change our system to be more like Canada's?"

Doocy: "Canada has been held up to be a model" for health care reform. On the February 4 edition of Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade stated: "President Obama [was] talking to Democrats yesterday about pushing through health care reform. But if an overhaul is such a good idea, why is a popular Canadian official choosing to come to the U.S. for care?" Doocy claimed that Williams' decision had made him "a poster boy for the other side that is against health care in this country, because Canada has been held up to be a model." Fox News contributor Dick Morris responded by asserting that he had heard from an AARP "competitor group" that "our system will be exactly like the Canadian system if Obama has his way." Morris continued the comparison by calling health care reform legislation "the government takeover of the 16 percent of our economy that's health care."

Carlson: "Many people say that health care reform would turn us into Canada." On the February 4 edition of Fox & Friends, co-host Gretchen Carlson asked cancer survivor Amy Kaplan, "Do you have any concern when you hear the reports in the last couple of days that this premier from Canada who needs heart surgery is going to come to the U.S. to get that surgery instead of staying home in Canada? Many people say that health care reform would turn us into Canada." After Kaplan explained that the pending health care reform legislation is not the same as the Canadian system, Carlson replied, "Varying opinions on this very controversial topic."

In fact, the health care reform legislation being proposed is not similar to the Canadian single-payer system

Neither health care reform bill establishes a single-payer health care system. Neither the Senate's health care reform legislation nor the House's health care reform bill would establish a single-payer health care system.

Klein: "What we're actually going to get is not socialized medicine or single-payer health care." In a June 9, 2009, Washington Post article, "Health Reform for Beginners: The Difference Between Socialized Medicine, Single-Payer Health Care, and What We'll Be Getting," Ezra Klein explained that "the promiscuous use of the terms" single-payer and socialized health care "has created a rather confused population." According to Klein, "[W]hat we're actually going to get is not socialized medicine or single-payer health care. It's a hybrid system." Unlike the Canadian system, the American system will have "private doctors and private hospitals" and will "be a uniquely American system, and hard to describe with a single epithet."

Obama has rejected Canadian-style single-payer system and U.K.-style nationalized health care. During a March 26, 2009, online town hall discussion, Obama was asked: "Why can we not have a universal health care system, like many European countries, where people are treated based on needs rather than financial resources?" He replied, in part, "I actually want a universal health care system," adding that rather than adopting a "single-payer system" like Canada's, "what I think we should do is to build on the system that we have and fill some of these gaps." Indeed, Obama has embraced the creation of a federally funded "public plan" as one of many insurance options available in the health care market, not the sole option, as in "single payer" systems such as Canada. And as PolitiFact.com noted in a March 5, 2009, post, "Obama's plan leaves in place the private health care system, but seeks to expand it to the uninsured" and "the plan is very different from some European-style health systems where the government owns health clinics and employs doctors," as in the United Kingdom.

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    • Author by okiepoli (February 04, 2010 10:02 am ET)
         
      Gee, a quick look at the Calgary Herald indicates that the type of surgery Premier Williams needs isn't available in his home province.

      Surely a real journalist could have done some research.

      With (Fox and) Friends like these, who needs Death Panels?
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    • Author by alienofwar (February 04, 2010 11:02 am ET)
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      Not one single reformer is criticizing the treatment received by hospitals. America is 10 times as big as Canada, so of course we will have 10 times as many hospitals and therefore more choices of outstanding places to get treated than in Canada. If you have lot's of money like I'm sure the Canadian Premier does and your dealing with your own health risk, of course he's going to do what is in his best interest to get the best treatment available. Unfortunately what all these anti-reformers miss out on is that 45 million Americans don't have the financial means to have the same access as the Premier and on top of that, our current system leads to the deaths of 45, 000 Americans each year because they lack health insurance coverage.

      So basically the U.S health care system is superb....if your rich!
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      • Author by Appleboy (February 04, 2010 11:57 am ET)
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        The coverage average citizens in Canada receive is comparable to the coverage average Americans receive who have insurance. However, there are 2 huge problems with our system: 1) 45 million have no coverage, 2) we spend roughly twice per capita for our health care (about $7300 vs $3900, 2007 stats). And a 3rd problem is that very few Americans no these facts.
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    • Author by El Kabong (February 04, 2010 11:52 am ET)
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      America still has the best health care system in the world. Only the annoying liberal America haters think otherwise.
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      • Author by Appleboy (February 04, 2010 4:01 pm ET)
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        Based on what? Show me the data proving your point. When people tell you we have the best health care in the world they are lying to your face. At best it is comparable to other advanced nations. Also, when they say this they never back it up with any facts, instead they use anecdotal evidence. 45 million not covered and we spend twice as much as other advanced countries, and yet you claim we have the best health care. Please show me your data and convince me otherwise.
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        • Author by seahawks123 (February 04, 2010 4:33 pm ET)
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          Then why didn't he go to Cuba? Or England? Or anywhere else in the world? Our wait time for services is alot less and I have been over seas to see what it's like. Have you?
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          • Author by Appleboy (February 04, 2010 5:28 pm ET)
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            Tell me where have you been? France, Japan, Germany, Cananda? What was your average waiting time? Also the fact that you actually got care in those countries is significant. A visitor in the U.S is in deep crap if they need medical attention. I wonder what the waiting time for a Canadian visiting the U.S would be?

            Please take a look here to get some real info on waiting times. Here's one quote:

            Waiting times in the U.S. are as bad as or worse than Canada. And, unlike the U.S., in Canada no one is denied needed medical care, referrals, or diagnostic tests due to cost, pre-existing conditions, or because it wasn't pre-approved.
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          • Author by bobklahn (February 07, 2010 12:48 am ET)
               
            The US is closer.

            However, distance does not stop Americans from going to India for medical care. It's a lot cheaper than the US, and the doctors are as good, esp since so many were trained here.

            Americans are even going to Thailand for medical care.

            Oh, and the Catholic hospital system in Texas has half a dozen hospitals in Mexico where they send American patients, cause it's so much cheaper.

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      • Author by foghornleghorn (February 04, 2010 6:50 pm ET)
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        America still has the best health care system in the world

        The 4,500 people who die every year due to the lack of health insurance would beg to differ with you.

        Please resume your cheerleading...

        USA!! USA!!! USA!!!!
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (February 04, 2010 6:51 pm ET)
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          Correction: 45,000 people.
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          • Author by macfolk (February 05, 2010 12:26 am ET)
               
            That is a very misleading statistic. 45,000 people die every year that do not have health insurance. That doesn't mean they died because they don't have health insurance. Most of the patients I take care of in an inner city hospital don't have health insurance. Having health insurance wouldn't make a difference in their care. Once a person enters the ER the hospital is required by law to take care of them. People die from disease and pathology. Not from lack of health insurance.
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      • Author by bobklahn (February 07, 2010 12:44 am ET)
           
        The true American haters are the ones who will lie to avoid saying what is wrong with America.

        America has the worlds best medical technology, but the worst health care delivery system of the industrialized world.

        BTW, if you are an average American, you will pay more for health care in America than the average Canadian pays for health care... in America. Yes, they get a discount. Suck on that!
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    • Author by AnnieGirl (February 04, 2010 2:54 pm ET)
         
      Perhaps Fox should have asked more questions before making such claims. Danny Williams elected to have his surgery in the U.S. primarily for financial reasons, in that he can afford to pay for his surgery rather than billing the province. It is not a question of whether or not the surgery was available for him (certainly the Cardiac Centre in Ottawa, the University of Alberta Mazankowski Heart Institute, and other hospitals) could provide the operation; he elected to pay for it himself which then prompted the surgery to be completed in the U.S. The issue is that he had a choice of where he wanted his operation; had he wished to have it in Canada, it would have been provided in a timely manner.
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      • Author by seahawks123 (February 04, 2010 4:34 pm ET)
           
        He's a hypocrite. If he is such a fan of socialized medicine he should have had it done there. But that's only for the little people.
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        • Author by alienofwar (February 04, 2010 11:20 pm ET)
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          And yet the "little people" overwhelmingly love their Canadian health care system:

          "The Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey suggests 82 per cent of Canadians believe our system is better than U.S. health care."

          http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090710/health_care_090710/20090710?hub=Health&s_name=
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          • Author by macfolk (February 05, 2010 12:43 am ET)
               
            Yes, but that is a logical fallacy. You are appealing to consensus. Most people like it so it must be right. Second, Many of those surveyed probably have no experience with health care outside their country. That would be like me saying that I like vanilla ice cream better than chocolate ice cream when I have never tried chocolate ice cream. If we are going to argue, let us try to argue reasonably.

            Now, as far as the Media Matters article, I agree with Media Matters that the current proposed legislation does not resemble a single payer system like Canada or Britain, but I agree with Fox News that many of the changes in the legislation would inevitably bring us to a single payer system. Many of the leadership involved with these bills have specifically state there desire for a single payer system. It is only a matter of time, unfortunately. As a health care worker, I don't like the thought of the government running things. They haven't done well with education, the post office, or medicare and medicaid.
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          • Author by jose2 (February 05, 2010 8:38 am ET)
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            I bet at least 82% of the Taliban believe their system is better than the American system.

            If that was true, should America adopt the Taliban system?



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            • Author by TheDayV (February 05, 2010 9:39 am ET)
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              I'm sure Canadians everywhere would love to see you comparing their healthcare system to the Taliban weaponization of a religion.
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            • Author by sepirothpk (February 06, 2010 7:10 pm ET)
                 
              I doubt it since the Taliban seems to have no regard to health care. And statistically the Canadian one works better
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            • Author by sepirothpk (February 06, 2010 7:10 pm ET)
                 
              I doubt it since the Taliban seems to have no regard to health care. And statistically the Canadian one works better
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        • Author by bobklahn (February 07, 2010 12:51 am ET)
             
          You never think it through, do you.

          The US has the most expensive medical care system. We spend 17% of our GDP on medical care, going to rise to 20% soon. With that money we build loverly hospitals, where Canadians can come down, and get medical care at a discount, thereby saving the Canadian govt money.

          IOW, we are subsidizing their system.
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      • Author by macfolk (February 05, 2010 12:48 am ET)
           
        AnnieGirl,
        You don't chose to have a life threatening surgery based on financial considerations if you have the money. Premier Williams pick the best doctors he could find world-wide that do the most surgeries. If he wanted to avoid being a financial burden on the providence, he could have paid for it privately and had the procedure done there.
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    • Author by Karow (February 06, 2010 1:03 am ET)
         
      Canada and the U.K. seem to have a lot less fraud and mishaps that take place in their health industry. Perhaps it's time to recognize that the reason we have these problems is because we are too focused on providing for those who don't deserve the help and not really those who do.
      Many people who have worked hard over the years and deserve the benefits they have earned, are now going to suffer.

      www.KarowHomeCare.com
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