Perino advances shoe bomber falsehood to attack Obama over handling of terrorism
On Fox & Friends, former White House press secretary Dana Perino attempted to rebut the Obama administration's comparison of their use of civilian trials for alleged terrorists with the Bush administration's similar treatment of shoe bomber Richard Reid by falsely suggesting that "there wasn't a system in place" for Bush to order Reid to be held by the military. In fact, such a system was in place by the time Reid pleaded guilty, as many suspects were placed in military detention before that date.
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From the February 8 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
PERINO: Well, and I -- and the administration continues to tout that during the Bush years, we prosecuted two terrorists, Moussaoui and Reid, like they want to do for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. And I really want to take a moment just to put that in context. Moussaoui was arrested before 9-11. Reid was arrested six weeks after President Bush first gave the order to do enemy combatant status, and there wasn't a system in place. We're nine years later, and if the only thing they can look back on in the Bush administration to say that was done well was the prosecution of Richard Reid, I would be shocked if that was the case. I'm sure that is not what they believe. And I really think they ought to look at that before they claim that that was the best way to do it. Because I think, arguably, we could have done things better. We just didn't have the system yet. And it was right after 9-11.
Before Reid pleaded guilty, Bush placed hundreds of detainees in military custody
Order Perino referenced stated that military could hold detainees "outside or within the United States." Reid was captured in December 2001. Bush's November 13, 2001, "Military Order" explicitly stated that "Any individual subject to this order shall be ... detained at an appropriate location designated by the Secretary of Defense outside or within the United States." The order defined the term "individual subject to this order" as follows:
The term "individual subject to this order" shall mean any individual who is not a United States citizen with respect to whom I determine from time to time in writing that:
(1) there is reason to believe that such individual, at the relevant times,
(i) is or was a member of the organization known as al Qaida;
(ii) has engaged in, aided or abetted, or conspired to commit, acts of international terrorism, or acts in preparation therefor, that have caused, threaten to cause, or have as their aim to cause, injury to or adverse effects on the United States, its citizens, national security, foreign policy, or economy; or
(iii) has knowingly harbored one or more individuals described in subparagraphs (i) or (ii) of subsection 2(a)(1) of this order;
and
(2) it is in the interest of the United States that such individual be subject to this order.
Detainees held by the military as early as November 2001. Soon after the war in Afghanistan began in October 2001, the United States began holding detainees in military custody. For instance, in the 2006 case of Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, the Supreme Court majority opinion stated that in November 2001, the plaintiff in that case, Salim Ahmed Hamdan, "was captured by militia forces and turned over to the U. S. military."
Padilla transferred to military custody before Reid pleaded guilty in civilian court. Reid pleaded guilty on October 4, 2002, and was sentenced on January 30, 2003. Jose Padilla was initially held in the civilian court system after his arrest on a material witness charge and was transferred to military custody on June 9, 2002. (Padilla was later transferred back to civilian custody for trial after he appealed his detention to the Supreme Court for a second time.)
Hamdi held in military custody since early 2002. In addition to Padilla, Yaser Hamdi was held in military custody at Guantanamo Bay beginning in January 2002 and transferred to a military brig in South Carolina in April 2002.
Hundreds of detainees held in military custody at Guantanamo beginning in early 2002. In the 2004 case of Rasul v. Bush, Justice Stevens, writing for the majority, stated: "Petitioners in these cases are 2 Australian citizens and 12 Kuwaiti citizens who were captured abroad during hostilities between the United States and the Taliban. Since early 2002, the U.S. military has held them -- along with, according to the Government's estimate, approximately 640 other non-Americans captured abroad -- at the Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay."
Bush administration bragged about handling of Reid
Ashcroft: Reid case an example of "steady progress because of the combined and cooperative efforts of law enforcement and intelligence." From an August 25 speech by then-Attorney General John Ashcroft:
Around this nation, we can point to quiet, steady progress because of the combined and cooperative efforts of law enforcement and intelligence:
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132 individuals have been convicted or pled guilty, including shoe-bomber Richard Reid, "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh, six members of the Buffalo cell, and two members of the Detroit cell

















A terrorist's goal is also an apathetic society.
What exactly are you afraid of?
Do you think KSN is going to shoot lasers out of his eyes in a NY courtroom?
Or use mind-bullets to mow down the jury?
Are you THAT scared of our judicial system that you worry he might go free?
And how you could possibly compare going to the doctor for a routine checkup to the erosion of civil liberties we now face because of terrorists is beyond me.
Sorry to burst your bubble right ON, but the terrorists have certainly succeeded in disrupting our country; we live in fear (thanks in no small part to the constant right-wing worry brigade), we're going bankrupt trying to finance 2 wars that will never (and CAN never) be "won", however you choose to define "winning"; and the normal aspects of our lives are affected in inconvenient ways every day.
Each time you have to take your shoes off to go through a detector at the airport, a terrorist somewhere chuckles to himself.
Grow a pair.
And by the way, a terrorists goal is not "an apathetic society"; it's a society that lives in fear.
(Hint - it's not to kill people)
(Hint - it's not to kill people)
As I said, logic has no political ideology.
aside from giving them good reason to keep trying to attack us?
how would you like to be beaten and tortured by the military because they can do that ya know. for any reason. that is the legacy of whom you support.
He pushed for our terrorism-fighting groups to focus on people who bought one-way tickets and paid for their tickets with cash, which would really be a waste of limited resources!
For them, if it doesn't help them politically, they don't care about it, or so it seems.
I can't believe that an elected official did not know that anyone that is taken into custody is read their "Miranda Rights" Where was he when that case was decided by our Supreme Court?The US not following our rule of law is something that terrorist can use against us. Even if Abdulmutallib was not read his rights and turned over to the military, he was not going to tell them anything more than he initially told the FBI, unless he was tortured and he would have said anything to stop that and information received during torture can be argued against during any court,be it military,criminal or whatever. The military would have not done what the FBI did. The FBI went to Nigeria and had Abdulmutallib relatives accompany them to the US to talk to him.In Islam(like any other culture),there is great
respect for the Mother so his mother may have come. A good mother doesn't want to see her child hurt anyone.She would have been able to get more information out of him than any military tribunal.After his relatives got to the US and spoke to him, he started to tell everything that he knew. The US has one of the best legal systems in the World. We need to let
bin Laden said his goal was to bankrupt the U.S.
Thanks to G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney, not to mention their right-wing coward base, he's coming awfully close.
For shame, loser.
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There ya have it folks. The ignorant mindset.
Don't worry Tommy, I know you're not ignorant. You just pretend to be ignorant to start arguments.
Understanding the issues surrounding terrorism in order to fight it by, in part, listening to the words of terrorists?
What a concept.
Terrorism is defined as the use of violence or fear of violence to achieve a change in political or religious ideology. If you live your life in fear, the terrorists have won. They need never attack again. They won.
Logic, right on, logic.
All I said was that is has nothing to do with us being scared or living in fear, it has to do with being prepared, smart and taking all available and legal preventative methods to avoid another attack on our citizens or on our soil. Period. If any of you are opposed to that, then I hope your radical notions don't find their way into any implementation regarding our national security. Stay the hell away from it.
Knowing the goal of the enemy is a good way to protect yourself from the enemy. And since either won't or can't say what you think is the goal of Al Queda, anything you opine about protecting ourselves from their threat is irrelevant.
You remain an intellectually dishonest child.
I'll stop feeding the child. Wouldn't want little Tommy to get fat.
But do you or did you vote for politicians who do support torture?
It is?? I could not disagree more with that. Why would an apathetic society play into al Qaeda's hands? And, why would blowing things up make a society apathetic?
Certainly the same can be said about Giuliani for the same attempts at rewriting history... but since this is about Dana Perino... HOLY CRAP!!
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This has most to blame on the public in large, who fails to recognize that you have a better chance of dying in the shower then by a extremist anything.