Beck again advanced flawed Spanish study on green jobs
Fox News' Glenn Beck stated that "Spain is already proving that green jobs don't work. You lose two jobs for every one job you create." But Beck's claim is based on a study that is reportedly supported by an oil industry-funded think tank and has been widely criticized for its "non rigorous methodology" and lack of "transparency and supporting statistics."
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Beck stated as fact disputed study's claim that "you lose two jobs" for every green job created
From the February 23 edition of Glenn Beck:
BECK: The science is bogus, it is falling apart. The newspapers overseas are printing it everywhere. India is pulling out. But us? No, we're still having our politicians tell us that we're not going to be able to leave a planet for our kids if we don't act now on cap-and-trade.
Spain is already proving that green jobs don't work. You lose two jobs for every one job that you create. And yet, people, like Van Jones, a guy who does believe in some of this stuff, he's here to tell you -- oh, yes, no, no, no, it does work.
Beck's claim apparently based on study by Gabriel Calzada Álvarez. The King Juan Carlos University study by Calzada stated: "[W]e find that for every renewable energy job that the State manages to finance, Spain's experience cited by President Obama as a model reveals with high confidence, by two different methods, that the U.S. should expect a loss of at least 2.2 jobs on average, or about 9 jobs lost for every 4 created, to which we have to add those jobs that non-subsidized investments with the same resources would have created." Beck has previously forwarded the study's findings as fact on his Fox News program.
But the study has been widely criticized for "lack of scientific rigor"
U.S. Department of Energy: "The primary conclusion made by the authors ... is not supported by their work." In an August 2009 White Paper responding to the Spanish study, the Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory stated that Calzada's study "represents a significant divergence from traditional methodologies used to estimate employment impacts from renewable energy. In fact, the methodology does not reflect an employment impact analysis. Accordingly, the primary conclusion made by the authors - policy support of renewable energy results in net job losses - is not supported by their work." The paper further concluded:
The recent report from King Juan Carlos University deviates from the traditional research methodologies used to estimate jobs impacts. In addition, it lacks transparency and supporting statistics, and fails to compare RE technologies with comparable energy industry metrics. It also fails to account for important issues such as the role of government in emerging markets, the success of RE exports in Spain, and the fact that induced economic impacts can be attributed to RE deployment. Finally, differences in policy are significant enough that the results of analysis conducted in the Spanish context are not likely to be indicative of workforce impacts in the United States or other countries.
WSJ's Johnson: "Study doesn't actually identify those jobs allegedly destroyed." Wall Street Journal reporter Keith Johnson challenged a key premise of the study, writing on March 30, 2009, that "the study doesn't actually identify those jobs allegedly destroyed by renewable-energy spending. What the study actually says is that government spending on renewable energy is less than half as efficient at job creation as private-sector spending." He went on to write: "The money the government has spent on clean energy may have edged out other government spending, but it's hard to see how it could have edged out private-sector spending, especially when the Socialist government there has reduced corporate income-tax rates, most recently this past January."
Spanish government criticized Calzada's study for "non rigorous methodology." In a May 20, 2009, letter to House Energy and Commerce Committee chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA), Teresa Ribera Rodríguez, Spain's Secretary of State for Climate Change, wrote that Calzada's analysis used a "low reliable and non rigorous methodology" and that the data he used are "totally out of keeping with the current reality of the sector." Stating that "the Spanish Government would like to express its views," Rodríguez further wrote:
In Spain, according to the last data of the Ministry of Industry, Tourism and Trade the [renewable energy] sector employs 73.900 direct workers, while other report by ISTAS-CCOO (labour union institute of work, environment and health) estimates 89000 direct jobs plus 99681 indirect jobs, against de 52200 direct and indirect jobs of the Calzada's figures (unknown source). According to data of the Ministry of Industry, Tourism and Trade and of the wind power business association, the wind power sector employed 37730 people instead of the 15000 jobs considered in the Calzada's paper.
ISTAS: "The lack on transparency that exists in the data provided is alarming." Spain's Union Institute of Work, Environment and Health (ISTAS) conducted an analysis of the Calzada study and stated that it contained a "lack of scientific rigor." ISTAS also said that the lack "of transparency that exists in the data provided is alarming" and that Calzada had written not "a study ... but rather an essay providing opinions and written with editorial overtones based on secondary information that is poorly referenced and/or explained and which provides only partial statements of the facts." ISTAS also stated that one of the "real intention[s] behind the document" was to "try and influence the U.S. media."
Study's author reportedly has ties to oil industry
Study reportedly "supported" by oil-funded Institute for Energy Research. Washington Post columnist George Will cited Calzada's study on June 25, 2009, as "[a] sobering report about Spain's experience." However, Will stated that Calzada's "study was supported by a like-minded U.S. think tank (the Institute for Energy Research, for which this columnist has given a paid speech.)" As Media Matters has noted, the Institute's funders include Exxon Mobil Corp. and the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation, the president of which is an executive vice president of Koch Industries, whose subsidiaries "have been in the petroleum business since 1940."
Calzada is fellow at Centre for the New Europe, which has also taken oil-industry money. Calzada's biography from a Heartland Institute conference states that he is a "fellow of the Centre for the New Europe (Brussels, Belgium)." The president of the Centre for the New Europe has acknowledged receiving money from ExxonMobil in 2005, according to a December 7, 2006, article in London's Independent.

















The current unemployment rate in Spain is 19.4% !!! Spain generates about 25% of its energy from renewable sourses, the US generates about 7%. How is that 'Green Economy' working for them? Beware America, President Obama has held Spain up as an example of what we should strive for as far as energy. If you dont think that a healthy economy isnt related to a GOOD energy plan, I think you are wrong. Pres. Obama has said that his plan will result in higher energy costs. How is that going to lead to a healthy economy?
Because that wasn't what the article was about.
I find it interesting that these deniers are all about denouncing the science right up until they find a (usually flawed) study that they like and then they are all about supporting that study.
Holy This Thing, That Thing, Q.E.D., Batman!
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Spain's unemployment rate isn't caused by it's efforts to grow it's green energy sector.
Spain's economy is almost entirely based upon tourism. The middle classes of Sweden, Ireland, UK, Germany ALL vacation in Spain.
Global recession = fewer tourists = construction companies halt jobs = construction workers unemployed.
You just posted some numbers with no proof of their connection. I despise small minded crap like that.
Yes, Spain has had an unemployment problem since the 1970's... Long before the green jobs push... And, suprise, suprise... The two are unrelated.
http://www.allbusiness.com/public-administration/national-security-international/524124-1.html
NOT Green Jobs. You just came on here and purposefully skewed the facts to attack Green Jobs. You, sir, are a liar and add nothing of merit to any debate that you enter on MMfA.
Now for the truth about this study...
Debunking The Spanish Study on The Dire Result of Green Jobs Creation
I will say this, the one good thing I can think of is energy independence.
I dont see higher energy costs as good for the economy.
I dont see the unemployment rate decreasing from us adopting the 'Spain mode'.
And yes, of course the "Green sector" of the economy will be growing when the feds are subsidizing, mandating and regulating us into it. Common sense tells me that the other areas of the economy will suffer greater losses than the gains in the 'gree sector' will create.
Put down your talking points and biased studies, use your head and some common sense.
Higher energy costs = more expenses on families and businesses = worse economic environment.
SUV's arent killing polar bears...wake up.
Al Gore buys carbon offsets. His home is actually quite efficient, the famous listing of his energy usage is not reflective of his home's energy usage.
Bill Nye and Ed Begley actually have eco-friendly homes, even though some of the technology is very expensive to install.
Now, you sound like one of those shriveled, constipated old biddies who sit in the corners of church events and carp about how bratty other people's children are and yet think themselves exemplary Christians. Why don't you totter off and get yourself a cup of lemonade, I'm sure it is made from non-recyclable styrofoam.
Carbon offsets....pa-leeeze...LOL! I think I ought to start brokering those.
There is nothing wrong with an eco-frinedly home and cudo's to people who live what they preach.
When being 'eco-friendly' is feasible....everyday Americans will do it. I recycle. I conserve. I do those things because it makes sense. I do not want a government to tell me to do things that will cost me money and non make sense.
Drill baby, drill!!!!
The U.S. became an economic powerhouse because of the collaboration of its government over the decades. Building canals and railroads, making rivers navigable and the interstate highway system are just a few examples.
I am all for unleashing the power of the free market to bring us to a much better place. First we have to break the grip of the fossils and their tools who are working overtime to convince people that there is no crisis.
I think there is a typo in there - don't you mean oily-gopolies? ;-)
Especially the neanderthals who think encouraging a clean environment and pushing for green energy is somehow taking away their freedom to rumble down the highway in their SUV or keep the thermostat on 80 all winter.
More lies from MaineiacMan with ZERO factual data.
Hopefully, he'll fade away soon.
Show me how a green economy is going to work?
Lower energy costs?
Lower unemployment?
Show me
Try reading and turn off Beck's incoherent and false rants. Based upon the attacks coming from the hate talk radio crew and his complete lack of advertisers in the UK . . . Beck's not going to be around much longer for you to parrot. Read and don't just read things which support your incorrect assumptions.
Have a good one . . . and seriously, try reading the article above. It answers your questions.
You know, oil money is funding the terrorists. So if you're against spending anything to promote green energy to end our dependence on foreign oil, you are in fact supporting the terrorists. Or would you rather spend the money on bombs that kill people?
lol, now there is a redundant question for manicman. he is a wingnut, we can never spend enough on bombs. spend money to help our country= bad, spend money to destroy another country= good.
One thing that I am not is a NIMBY.
(Not In My Back Yard)
Green Jobs Sector 'Poised for Explosive Growth,' Study Says (NY Times)
Pew Finds Clean Energy Economy Generates Significant Job Growth (Pew Trusts)
California leads with 36% growth in 'green' jobs (USA Today)
For Job Market, Green Means Growth (Forbes)
Need more evidence? I've got it. I don't just come to the debate armed with Fox News talking points and ConRadio lies. You should try it sometime.
Let the private sector (remember capitalism?) do it and I'm fine with it all!
Some things are too forward thinking or too large for the private sector to take on, especially when the private sector worships at the alter of profits and not at the alter of the common good. When profits can't be attained in the short time, that's where the government comes in.
The alter of the common good....give me a break.
Can you provide some documentation to back that up? I tried and found the ten richest countries (in 2004)
Luxembourg ... $56,380
Norway ... $51,810
Switzerland ... $49,600
United States ... $41,440
Denmark ... $40,750
Iceland ... $37,920
Japan ... $37,050
Sweden ... $35,840
Ireland ... $34,310
United Kingdom ... $33,630
And this as well...
The Human Development Index (HDI) is a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education and standards of living for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare. It is used to distinguish whether the country is a developed, a developing or an under-developed country, and also to measure the impact of economic policies on quality of life. The index was developed in 1990 by Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq and Indian economist Amartya Sen.[1]
1 â–¬ Norway 0.971 â–² 0.001
2 â–¬ Australia 0.970 â–² 0.002
3 â–¬ Iceland 0.969 â–² 0.002
4 â–¬ Canada 0.966 â–² 0.001
5 â–¬ Ireland 0.965 â–² 0.001
6 â–² (1) Netherlands 0.964 â–² 0.003
7 â–¼ (1) Sweden 0.963 â–² 0.002
8 â–² (3) France 0.961 â–² 0.003
9 â–¬ Switzerland 0.960 â–² 0.001
10 â–¬ Japan 0.960 â–² 0.002
11 â–¼ (3) Luxembourg 0.960 â–² 0.001
12 â–² (1) Finland 0.959 â–² 0.004
13 â–¼ (1) United States 0.956 â–² 0.001
Standard of living = modern conveniences. How many countries can say that the average poor lives in a small house or apartment with heat/ac cell phones, cable tv, internet access, a car, a microwave over and other kitchen applianaces that we all take for granted?
This is greatest nation on the face of the earth. Capitalism has made it that way. Progressivism, if allowed, will kill our economic engine and reduce us to a shell of ourselves.
Did you look at the countries on the lists? Which one(s) do YOU think would not qualify for your "standard of living" test? And it's also telling that to you "modern conveniences" include material things but nothing about health care, education or other less tangible things that go to standard of living.
There it is in all it's glory - behold the conservative embrace of ignorance!
Or shorter - USA! USA! USA is the greatest country in the world cause I say so.
Ummm, and you think citizens of those countries don't have the freedom to succeed?
That's what I thought - you haven't a clue.
I think I'll tell them all to move to Maine - it must be a lot better up there assuming MaineiacMan used his home in his moniker.
FOX NEWS WHICH IS (check this is a fact)
LARGELY OWNED BY SAUDI PRINCE GIMMYYERMONEY
WHO HAS CLAIMED THAT IN THE PAST HE HAS INFLUENCED FOX NEWS REPORTING
AND WHO IS HIGHLY CONCERNED WITH KEEPING OIL AS AMERICA'S SOURCE OF ENERGY
PAYS GLEN THE DIP BECK TO VERIFY THAT GREEN IS THE NEW BAD
Of course, given the 'pro-war', 'anti-islamic' slant that everyone says FoxNews has, your post seems to be, at the least conflicted, at the most laughable.