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Garrett allows McCain to falsely claim health care reform is "2.5 trillion in debt on future generations"

February 26, 2010 9:18 pm ET — 27 Comments

Fox News' Major Garrett allowed Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) to falsely claim current health care legislation would be "2.5 trillion in debt on future generations of Americans." In fact, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that the legislation would reduce deficits during and beyond the next 10 years.

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From the February 26 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Bret Baier:

GARRETT: Republicans appear willing, even eager, to debate cost, coverage, and what they consider to be the legislation's overwhelming complexity.

McCAIN: what was not in the room yesterday was American public opinion, which is obviously -- want us to start over, want us not to pursue this massive $2.5 trillion debt on future generations of Americans.

GARRETT: What the country saw yesterday was bipartisan dialogue and the sounds of conciliation that may produce something. But the scorecard is clear on these key issues: Republicans want the president to start from scratch; the White house says no. Republicans want to take an incremental approach; the White House says no. Republicans want the White House to abandon the idea of reconciliation; again, the White House says no. And Bret, all that was true before seven and a half hours of talks yesterday.

Fact: CBO estimated that health reform bills would reduce deficits over next 10 years and beyond

CBO: Senate bill yields "a net reduction in federal deficits of $132 billion" over 10 years. On December 19, 2009, CBO reported of the Senate bill incorporating the manager's amendment: "CBO and JCT estimate that the direct spending and revenue effects of enacting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act incorporating the manager's amendment would yield a net reduction in federal deficits of $132 billion over the 2010-2019 period."

CBO also estimated on December 20, 2009, that the bill will continue to reduce the deficit beyond the 10-year budget window that ends in 2019 "with a total effect during that decade that is in a broad range between one-quarter percent and one-half percent of GDP."

CBO estimated the House bill will result in $138 billion in deficit reduction through 2019. On November 20, 2009, CBO reported of the House health care reform legislation, "CBO and JCT now estimate that the legislation would yield a net reduction in deficits of $138 billion over the 10-year period." CBO also stated in its November 6, 2009, estimate that "[i]n the subsequent decade, the collective effect of its provisions would probably be slight reductions in federal budget deficits. Those estimates are all subject to substantial uncertainty."

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    • Author by mk3872 (February 26, 2010 11:28 pm ET)
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      Sure, that's what the CBO says ... but it doesn't quite fit the narative, so we'll just move right along ...
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    • Author by jose2 (February 27, 2010 9:20 am ET)
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      CBO estimates are based on garbage parameters.

      Garbage in, garbage out.

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      • Author by mk3872 (February 27, 2010 10:36 am ET)
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        Ah, yes. Expert analysis from Jose2. Why, of course, Jose2 is MUCH better at economic and financial model estimates than the CBO. We should all take his advice and just assume that the accountants and financial analysts at CBO know much, much less about estimating budgets than Jose2 ... LOL!
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        • Author by jose2 (February 27, 2010 10:14 pm ET)
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          It's easy to be an expert compared to you.

          Tell the CBO you're going to tax for 10 years and pay out for 6 years and that's how they calculate it.

          As I said, garbage in garbage out.

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          • Author by raddave43 (February 28, 2010 6:25 pm ET)
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            Jose2, you keep sticking to that wingnut talking point that's been debunked MANY times on here. The only thing that doesn't kick in until after 4 years is the tax for the cadillac plans. It's is FALSE that the bill doesn't kick in for 4 years.
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    • Author by foghornleghorn (February 27, 2010 3:53 pm ET)
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      I'd ask Gramps how much a life is worth.

      He said future generations (plural). Assuming a generation is 20 years, in 2 generations there will be 1.8 million people who are dead from a lack of health care (45,000 per year x 40 years).

      That comes out to $1,388.89 to keep each one from dying. Doesn't sound too bad to me considering that's less than the cost of one bomb.
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      • Author by fantagor (February 27, 2010 5:50 pm ET)
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        Nice number crunch. It sure puts McCain's scare tactic in perspective: that healthcare reform is an INEXPENSIVE way to save lives.

        Randy
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      • Author by jose2 (February 27, 2010 10:27 pm ET)
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        Gramps will live longer if he lives healthy and stays away from the health care system.

        At this very moment the pharmaceutical industry is conspiring to outlaw vitamins to force you onto their expensive drugs.

        You idiots have no idea the pandora's box that you are opening.

        Your text to link here...

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        • Author by jose2 (February 27, 2010 10:35 pm ET)
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          Why would the FDA outlaw a low cost nutritional supplement that helps diabetes patients? Because a pharmaceutical company sees billions of dollars of profit

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          I really wish the government would go back to what the Constitution tells them to do like defend the country, coin legal money, etc.



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          • Author by fantagor (February 28, 2010 4:57 pm ET)
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            You're conflating issues. The schemes of the drug companies trying to patent vitamins is NOT A NEW ISSUE, and it has NOTHING to do with reforming the healthcare INSURANCE system.

            On the bright side, the tin foil industry is doing well as long as your ilk is around.

            Randy
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            • Author by jose2 (February 28, 2010 6:33 pm ET)
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              The worn out tin foil progressive argument. Why didn't you throw in racist you idiot?

              Your funding of the health care system with government in control will mean more collusion between pharmaceutical and FDA.

              You are the blind one.

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              • Author by fantagor (March 01, 2010 3:55 pm ET)
                   
                And Kleenex stock is up as well, with all the GOP cry babies constantly blubbering.

                Randy
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        • Author by raddave43 (February 28, 2010 6:28 pm ET)
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          They are not trying to outlaw vitamins, but rather are trying to regulate suplements. Keep your tinfoil on your head though.
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          • Author by jose2 (February 28, 2010 6:36 pm ET)
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            You can take your tin foil and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

            Recently big pharma tried to *regulate* a 3000 year old spice that treats cancer.

            You idiots make me sick, but not sick enough to seek government health care.


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            • Author by raddave43 (February 28, 2010 7:57 pm ET)
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              You can take your tin foil and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.


              Sounds like you have already done that, considering where that is where your head is. Big Pharma doesn't regulate anything, the FDA does. And Big Pharma would like nothing more than the FDA to go away.
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              • Author by jose2 (February 28, 2010 8:04 pm ET)
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                You have no idea the level of corruption between the FDA and big pharma.

                The FDA is what prevents the importation of drugs from other countries.



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                • Author by raddave43 (February 28, 2010 8:10 pm ET)
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                  And you do? Kind of like puting algae on Venus would clean up the CO2 in its atmoshphere? There are plenty of drugs that are imported from other countries. It just has to be aproved by the FDA first.
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                  • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 8:06 am ET)
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                    They have to be approved even though they have already been approved.

                    Look how well the government did in the mortgage market. Expect the same level of performance in health care.

                    You're a bunch of busy bodies sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.

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                    • Author by raddave43 (March 01, 2010 1:51 pm ET)
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                      Approved by whom? Another Country? Did you know that the EU doesn't just use drugs that have been approved by the FDA, they do their own tests and approve it.
                      The mortgage market screwed itself up because there was no government oversight.

                      Your a tin foil hat wearing nutjob.
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                      • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 3:10 pm ET)
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                        The keyword is reimportation

                        special protection for drug makers who lobby against Medicare drug price negotiation and reimportation of cheaper generic drugs

                        Your text to link here...


                        idiot

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                  • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 1:49 pm ET)
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                    Whoa, proof that global warming is killing people!

                    Your text to link here...

                    An Argentinian couple reportedly killed themselves and shot their two young children, one of whom actually survived despite being shot in the chest and going days before someone found her. Police say the suicide note explained the couple was afraid of global warming.

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          • Author by jose2 (February 28, 2010 6:36 pm ET)
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            You can take your tin foil and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

            Recently big pharma tried to *regulate* a 3000 year old spice that treats cancer.

            You idiots make me sick, but not sick enough to seek government health care.


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            • Author by mrhebert74 (February 28, 2010 11:20 pm ET)
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              Jose2 is right!!!!1!!!!1!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!! You have NO IDEA what threats your complicity is unleashing RIGHT NOW!!! MOrons! You don't know what the GOVERNMENT is DOING to you!!! Idiots!!! Oh, dangit. Now someone is is STEALING my ideas... They backwards-hacked my MMFA COMMENT BOX! STOP COMMENTING NOW or YOUR BRAINS will be INVADED!!!!
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              • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 2:58 pm ET)
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                Glad to see the electroshock treatment is taking hold.

                It will take awhile for some additional unraveling but keep working on it.


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