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Quick Fact: Van Susteren allowed Hatch to call reconciliation "abuse of Senate rules," despite his previous use of it

February 26, 2010 11:30 pm ET — 23 Comments

Fox News' Greta Van Susteren did not challenge Sen. Orrin Hatch's (R-UT) description of the possible use of the reconciliation process to pass health care reform "an abuse of the Senate rules like I've never seen before." In fact, Hatch has repeatedly supported the use of the budget reconciliation process to pass major Bush administration initiatives by a majority vote.

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From the February 26 edition of Fox News' On the Record with Greta Van Susteren:

HATCH: The third thing is that he basically is going to go to reconciliation, and I think this was a photo op in order to get them so that they can go to reconciliation, which would be an abuse of the Senate rules like I've never seen before.

VAN SUSTEREN: "Photo op" seems like a nice word for a joke.

Fact: Hatch repeatedly voted to use reconciliation to pass GOP initiatives

Hatch supported reconciliation to pass Bush administration budget resolutions, tax cuts. Hatch was among 51 senators -- all 50 Republicans and Sen. Zell Miller (D-GA) -- who voted in favor of a 2001 amendment to the fiscal year 2002 budget resolution that allowed for the consideration of President Bush's 2001 tax cuts -- the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 -- through the reconciliation process. Hatch subsequently voted for the tax cut bill itself.

Further, in 2003, Hatch voted for the Senate version of the fiscal 2004 budget resolution that called for additional tax cuts to be considered under reconciliation and for the final version of the 2004 budget resolution. He also voted against an amendment to the Senate version of the budget resolution, proposed by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV), that would have stripped reconciliation instructions from the resolution. In 2005, Hatch voted for the final version of the fiscal 2005 budget resolution, which also called for tax cuts through reconciliation. He subsequently voted for the Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 itself.

Fact: Van Susteren has repeatedly misportrayed reconciliation

Van Susteren falsely portrayed reconciliation as "nuclear option." On August 20, 2009, Van Susteren asserted that Democrats are "threatening to go nuclear, literally" in discussing the reconciliation process. Van Susteren later added, "Democrats might use the nuclear option, which is slang for a parliamentary procedure called reconciliation, to get health care reform passed." On January 20, Van Susteren falsely described the budget reconciliation process as the "nuclear option," and allowed Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) to refer to it as "arcane," despite his own record of supporting bills that made use of the procedure. In fact, the "nuclear option" actually refers to a procedure that would be used to change Senate rules, while reconciliation is part of the congressional budget process.

Van Susteren: "[Y]ears ago when it came to Republicans using reconciliation, Democrats were singing a different tune." On her February 24 show, Van Susteren noted that Democrats want to use reconciliation to pass health care and said, "But years ago when it came to Republicans using reconciliation, many Democrats were singing a different tune." In fact, the Democratic senators were expressing opposition to a 2005 proposal to change Senate rules to eliminate use of the filibuster for judicial nominations -- i.e. the "nuclear option" -- not the use of reconciliation.

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    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (February 26, 2010 11:53 pm ET)
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      Abuse of Senate rules? As in all things, IOKIYAR...
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    • Author by MadRiver Jack (February 27, 2010 6:41 am ET)
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      Why call it a "photo op", Gretta?

      Because it showed that the Repo Party did not really want to negotiate. It pulled back the facade and showed America that their only objective is to break the President.
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    • Author by Reinhard (February 27, 2010 10:52 am ET)
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      Love how Greta follows up on the "photo-op" statement while totally ignoring the blatant lie-spouted-as fact- about reconciliation being an abuse. Greta didn't even bat an eye at that statement.Fair and balanced. RFLAO!!!!

      Thank the gods for MMFA, it appears they are the only ones willing to call these lowlife's out.

      Reinhard
      You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.
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    • Author by bludog1 (February 27, 2010 12:21 pm ET)
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      My goodness. If you actually read the definition of reconciliation and its history in the US Senate, you will learn that Senator Hatch is absolutely correct, both in what he said and in how he voted (of those reported above). When reconciliation was proposed as the solution to pass the Clinton Healthcare legislation back in the 1990s, Senator Byrd, the author of the reconciliation LAW (yes it was actually passed and signed), rebelled against his own party saying that to use it for non budget centered issues (its intended purpose), was a violation of the law's intent and provisions. Reconciliation was not used back then; it should not be used now.
      If the dems want to pass by 51 votes, they can do so by invoking the point of order nuclear option which kills the filibuster, though I suspect they will not want to deny themselves access to it when they are again in the minority.
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      • Author by bludog1 (February 27, 2010 12:26 pm ET)
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        Postscript: OPMMfA does do a decent job of detailing the progressive position.
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      • Author by Disputed Zone (February 27, 2010 1:41 pm ET)
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        Byrd objected to passing healthcare reform by reconciliation. That is not the case now. If the House passes the Senate bill and the President signs it, healthcare reform will have passed in the normal way. Reconciliation can then be used to modify any budgetary aspects of the legislation in the normal way as well.

        In fact, unlike the tax cuts that Hatch supported, including a public option would fit the original purpose of reconciliation by further reducing the deficit.

        P.S. It is not MMfA's job to detail the progressive position.
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        • Author by bludog1 (February 27, 2010 1:52 pm ET)
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          We shall see. My guess is that the changes needed to make the current Senate bill acceptable to the representatives will require substantive changes and not budgetary changes, which is the distinguishing characteristic of reconciliation. The whole idea behind reconciliation is to handle budget differences, and only budget differences. When reconciliation has been used for other purposes, it was a violation -- one that was not yelled about by the opposition -- but a violation nonetheless.

          I beg to differ with you on OPMMfA's job: a progressive organizations whose mission is it criticize conservative media. Implicit in that is detailing the progressive position.
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          • Author by Disputed Zone (February 27, 2010 3:07 pm ET)
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            So your fretting ("My goodness") about Democratic rule breaking is premature and possibly unnecessary. You're attacking for the sake of attacking, citing a scenario that is not in play.

            To the extent that their mission implies a need to present the progressive position, I would say MMfA has done so, implicitly.
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            • Author by bludog1 (February 28, 2010 11:36 am ET)
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              Not attacking. Commenting. There really is a difference. Just trying to follow the discourse and the various positions and strategies, including the apparently being taken by the dem leadership to push through with reconciliation.

              And thinks for underscoring my second point.
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              • Author by Disputed Zone (February 28, 2010 12:14 pm ET)
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                I call dishonest political commentary an attack.
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                • Author by bludog1 (February 28, 2010 4:30 pm ET)
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                  you will have to point out what is dishonest, either in the facts I cited, or in the the arguments I made. Otherwise, the accusation, like so many on here seems to have degerated into name calling. That is so sad!
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                  • Author by Disputed Zone (February 28, 2010 5:19 pm ET)
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                    You falsely suggested that the Byrd objection was sufficient reason to reject the Democrat's use of reconciliation as improper. It's not, as you yourself acknowledged when you replied "We shall see."
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                    • Author by mrhebert74 (February 28, 2010 11:14 pm ET)
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                      pwnd.
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                    • Author by Slow Cowboy (March 01, 2010 12:53 am ET)
                         
                      Why is that not a sufficient reason?
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                    • Author by bludog1 (March 01, 2010 9:27 am ET)
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                      Please for goodness sakes, read what is written. Everything I said was absolutely correct. Byrd's objection was sufficient reason back then to reject consideration. This is the same process, to attack the same comprehensive legislative package, only 15 years or so later. Nothing has changed. I closed with the "we shall see" because as often as not, Congress does stupid stuff for stupid and even illegal reasons.
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                      • Author by bludog1 (March 01, 2010 9:30 am ET)
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                        Also before digging your hole any deeper, you might want to read the following from the good Senator himself...http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/byrd-dont-pass-health-or-energy-reform-via-reconciliation.php
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                        • Author by Disputed Zone (March 01, 2010 1:22 pm ET)
                             
                          You keep trying to conflate an arguably improper use of reconciliation (to pass healthcare reform) with what the Democrats are contemplating now (modifications to the healthcare legislation that was already passed), which is its normal use. That may be a winning political strategy, given the Democrats' seeming willingness to drop anything that is perceived to be controversial, but, like too many Republican strategies, it's dishonest one. If you want to be taken seriously in a political discussion on this site, you need to start playing it straight.
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      • Author by bintx (March 01, 2010 11:04 am ET)
           
        If you read the Constitution, it says that all that is required to pass any legislation is a simple majority. It's time that the un-democratic cloture rule was dispensed of . . . the unprecedented use of this extra-Constitutional Senate rule by the GOP for the past three years is destroying our country. They are using it as a campaign tool . . . no meaningful legislation can pass as long as they continue to misuse and abuse this rule. Has nothing to do with political ideology, it has to do with loyalty to a political club.
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    • Author by LeftOfCenter (February 28, 2010 9:55 am ET)
         
      Seems like a lot of twisting and turning to me... How about focusing on the ISSUE. It makes no difference if Hatch used reconciliation or not. Just because he MESSED UP doesn't mean it's right....
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