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Fox hosts GOP-backed Tea Party Express to deny that tea party is "Astroturf"

March 01, 2010 12:15 pm ET — 67 Comments

Fox & Friends hosted Amy Kremer of the Tea Party Express to rebut charges that some of the tea party movement is orchestrated by the Republican Party. Kremer insisted that "this is a true, genuine, grassroots movement," but, in fact, the Tea Party Express was launched by Republican consultants and has been criticized by other conservative activists for its partisan ties to Republicans.

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Fox & Friends hosts Tea Party Express' Kremer, who says, "[T]his is a true, genuine, grassroots movement"

From the March 1 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

GRETCHEN CARLSON (co-host): We're joined by the director of the Tea Party Express Grassroots and Coalition, Amy Kremer. Good morning to you, Amy.

KREMER: Good morning, Gretchen.

CARLSON: As someone so involved with the tea party movement and having heard Nancy Pelosi call you Astroturf before, about six months ago, what was your reaction when you heard her say that she may have some things in common with you?

KREMER: I was shocked. I think most people within the movement are shocked. She's a little delusional. There's not much that she has in common with us. You know, I just -- I can't believe that she would think that she would. She brings up the special interests, and, you know, their ruling with the Supreme Court. Honest to goodness, that's not what we've been focused on.

STEVE DOOCY (co-host): Sure.

KREMER: We've been focused on our core principles and values of fiscal responsibility, limited government, free markets, and most importantly, recently, health care. I don't recall anybody mentioning anything about the special interests lately.

DOOCY: Right. Amy, do you agree with her that some of the tea party stuff is orchestrated by the GOP headquarters?

KREMER: Absolutely not. I'm sure she would like to think so, but it's not. I mean, this is a true, genuine, grassroots movement.

DOOCY: Right.

KREMER: We're not Astroturf. We're not being orchestrated by anyone or anything, and we're going to continue to grow.

But Tea Party Express was launched by Republican consultants

Tea Party Express run by Republican PAC. The Associated Press reported in October 2008 that Our Country Deserves Better PAC, which launched the Tea Party Express, "was formed in August [2008] by California political consultant Sal Russo and former California Assemblyman Howard Kaloogian." As their OCDB biographies note, Russo is a veteran Republican consultant and Kaloogian served as a Republican.

OCDB's mission is to oppose Obama and "Democratic Congress." On its "About Us" page, OCDB states that "we must stand up to Barack Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress." The PAC also solicits contributions by stating, "Help us fight the Democratic Congress!" NPR reported on September 26, 2008, that OCDB's website then said "it has one objective: to defeat Obama." During the 2008 campaign, the PAC hosted "patriotic, pro-McCain/Palin rallies" to "Stop Obama."

OCDB campaigned for Republican Tedisco. OCDB "campaign[ed]" "on behalf of" Republican New York congressional candidate Jim Tedisco in March by "broadcasting television and radio advertisements. ... Total ad buy is expected to reach well into the hundreds of thousands by Election Day."

TPM: Majority of OCDB spending in recent reporting period "went to GOP firm that created it." On December 28, 2009, Zachary Roth reported for Talking Points memo that "[t]he political action committee behind the Tea Party Express (TPE) -- which already has been slammed as inauthentic and corporate-controlled by rival factions in the Tea Party movement -- directed almost two thirds of its spending during a recent reporting period back to the Republican consulting firm that created the PAC in the first place." Roth further wrote:

Our Country Deserves Better (OCDB) spent around $1.33 million from July through November, according to FEC filings examined by TPMmuckraker. Of that sum, a total of $857,122 went to Sacramento-based GOP political consulting firm Russo, Marsh, and Associates, or people associated with it.

OCDB, which built the Tea Party Express, is essentially a Russo, Marsh creation, as we've detailed. The PAC's site was registered in July 2008 by Sal Russo, the firm's founder. That site also lists Russo as the PAC's "chief strategist." Tea Party Express fundraising emails, sent by OCDB and obtained by TPMmuckraker, come from another Russo, Marsh employee, Joe Wierzbicki.

Other tea party groups reportedly accuse Tea Party Express of being "sham organization" for GOP

Tea Party Express reportedly seen by other conservative activists as "sham organization" pushing "partisan Republican agenda." On October 9, 2009, David Weigel reported for The Washington Independent that other tea party activists see the Tea Party Express as "a scheme for Republican strategists and candidates to take advantage of a movement that was chugging along fine without them":

An argument has broken out, perhaps inevitably, between Tea Party activists and one of the groups that has laid claim to the Tea Party mantle. The self-described grassroots activists in Tea Party Patriots and the American Liberty Alliance see the Tea Party Express as a sham organization, using the political heft of the movement to push a bland, partisan Republican agenda. Privately and publicly, they accuse the Tea Party Express of being an "astroturf" outfit, a scheme for Republican strategists and candidates to take advantage of a movement that was chugging along fine without them.

National Precinct Alliance director called Tea Party Express a "Republican National Committee-related group." On January 25, The New York Times reported that Philip Glass, the director of conservative group National Precinct Alliance, announced that his organization would not participate in the National Tea Party Convention. The article reported: "Mr. Glass said he was also concerned about the role in the convention of groups like Tea Party Express, which has held rallies across the country through two bus tours, and FreedomWorks, a Tea Party umbrella. He called them 'Republican National Committee-related groups,' and added, 'At best, it creates the appearance of an R.N.C. hijacking; at worst, it is one.' "

Meckler of Tea Party Patriots on Tea Party Express: "[T]hey raise money for Republicans." Weigel reported on October 2, 2009, that Mark Meckler, a national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, said, "Tea Party Patriots are very dissatisfied with the Republican Party -- we have nothing against Our Country Deserves Better PAC, but they raise money for Republicans."

Fox News aggressively promotes Tea Party Express tour

Fox News has aggressively promoted the Tea Party Express tours. Fox News, Fox Business, Fox Nation, and FoxNews.com have promoted the tours, going so far as to cheerlead for the protests and advertise the tea party schedule so viewers "can be a part" of the events. Indeed, a Fox News producer was even caught coaching a crowd to cheer during a stop of the Tea Party Express.

Fox Nation promoting Tea Party Express III. Fox Nation has promoted the third national tour, which begins March 27 in Searchlight, Nevada, and ends April 15 in Washington, D.C.

In turn, the organizers of Tea Party Express have used Fox's coverage for fundraising. The OCDB PAC used Fox News' coverage of its Tea Party Express to fundraise in a July 29, 2009, email.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (March 01, 2010 12:26 pm ET)
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      So...the Tea Party favors the influence of special interests in Washington?
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    • Author by classicliberal2 (March 01, 2010 12:47 pm ET)
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      The teabagger movement as a whole--not just the TPExpress--is an astroturf campaign, the most successful in the history of astroturf campaigns. The "movement" began with professional astroturfers FreedomWorks, Americans for Prosperity, etc., and if one figured up all the free promotion Fox News has offered and applied regular ad rates to it, the Fox contribution to this "grassroots" movement would, alone, come to tens of millions--if not hundreds of millions--of dollars. Grassroots movements, if it needs to be said, don't have this kind of juice. But all the noise it made inevitably led to copycat organizing that could, I suppose, be called actual "grassroots," but it all grows out of the same poisoned roots, and, like any other weed, is entirely dependent on those roots for its survival.

      One of the goals of astroturf is, of course, to inspire that sort of copycatting--it makes the phony "movement" look even larger. For the same reason, every major teabagger event offers the accompanying spectacle of the astroturfers pushing insanely high over-estimates of crowd size. That's what astroturf is.

      The corporate press has been rather steadfast in ignoring all of this and reporting on the teabaggers as a real "movement," which, again, serves the goals of the astroturfers.

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    • Author by seahawks123 (March 01, 2010 12:52 pm ET)
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      You libs will find out just how much main stream America and the Tea Party movement has in common come November.
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      • Author by guynamedjoe (March 01, 2010 12:57 pm ET)
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        Yeah, November is going to be interesting.
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (March 01, 2010 12:58 pm ET)
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        I expect that you'll be very let down at that point, but I have no doubt you'll find excuses for your groups' failures. Time will tell.
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        • Author by Johaely (March 02, 2010 8:13 pm ET)
             
          chances are that if some democrats don't get reelected (s)he will be syaing its the Tea-party whining in action.
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      • Author by nerzog (March 01, 2010 1:00 pm ET)
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        just how much main stream America and the Tea Party movement has in common


        Gullibility? Profound ignorance?
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      • Author by DellDolly (March 01, 2010 1:08 pm ET)
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        This article is not about how successful or unsuccessful Democrats might be in November. It's about how someone from a GOP-backed group was interviewed by FoxNews in an attempt to portray the group as grassroots, which it's not.

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        • Author by pongotwistleton (March 01, 2010 1:14 pm ET)
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          Thanks Dippy, but the article speaks for itself, and sufficiently explains mmfa's position without your help
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          • Author by nerzog (March 01, 2010 1:16 pm ET)
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            But it apparently zipped right over SeaSlug's head.
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          • Author by DellDolly (March 01, 2010 1:40 pm ET)
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            Clearly not for SeaSlug.

            And your reading comprehension is faulty too I guess, since you couldn't figure out WHY I restated MMFA's point!!!

            But thanks for showing everyone how your personal animus controls when and how you post - you'd rather have everyone see how inadequate your reading comprehension is than refrain from making a baseless personal attack! Keep digging that hole.
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            • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 2:26 pm ET)
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              Your pathetic attempt to try and diffuse every point made to contradict something you post by hauling out your whiny "I am a victim of your personal animus" is getting old. If all you can do is say poor me, and you don't have an intelligent response and can only regurgitate what you believe is MMfA's point, then let the thread's discussions continue without your unnecessary meddling.

              The article is about the Tea Party and that means elections, most notably the ones coming up this fall. If you can't see beyond your tunnelvision, keep it to yourself, the rest of us can.
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              • Author by DellDolly (March 01, 2010 2:39 pm ET)
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                Your pathetic attempt to excuse another personal attack caused by your personal animus is really funny!

                It's not my fault that SeaSlug made an off topic post that had nothing to do with the topic MMFA was addressing. No one is a victim of my "unnecessary meddling" here.

                And then next time I need your wholly inadequate advice on how to run my life, you'll be the first one to know.

                This article is about how FoxNews hosted a representative from a GOP-backed group to claim the group wasn't an invention of the GOP!!!

                This article is NOT about any election or how the Tea Party might affect any election.
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                • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 2:48 pm ET)
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                  Fine, let's just admit we "attack" each other and get beyond it. Who cares, stick to the topic and stop rinsing and repeating it over and over, nobody outdoes you in personal attacks, you invented them around here.

                  So an article about a political party, grassroots or not, and the GOP's influence on that party is not about elections or how they might affect one? You're not serious? That's like saying talk radio shouldn't be included in discussions about the media.

                  And if posts are off topic then MMfA will remove them, there is a place for that on every post. Do you know that? They can run things just fine without your assistance.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (March 01, 2010 3:24 pm ET)
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                    No, I won't admit that we "attack" each other.

                    I address points raised in posts, and that activity on my part has absolutely nothing to do with who made the post.

                    However, your personal animus towards me makes you attack my posts based upon the fact that the posts are made by me.

                    Keep digging that hole, RightON. Keep digging.
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                    • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 3:30 pm ET)
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                      You don't attack? Would you like me to list some of your insulting personal attacks, name calling and vitriol in, say, just the last week? Because there is plenty of it here.

                      And you dodged my point about election relevancy to this topic.

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                      • Author by DellDolly (March 01, 2010 10:23 pm ET)
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                        No, I don't attack people. I attack lame ideas.

                        You attack people.

                        And your nonsense about how I didn't address a point you made. First off, I have no obligation to address anything other than what I want to address. Secondly, my very first post fully addressed the election issue. Here it is in its entirety. It's not my fault you're too ignorant to be able to keep posts in context!

                        "This article is not about how successful or unsuccessful Democrats might be in November. It's about how someone from a GOP-backed group was interviewed by FoxNews in an attempt to portray the group as grassroots, which it's not."


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                    • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 3:32 pm ET)
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                      "I address points raised in posts"

                      Oh, and actually you never do. You do one of three things. 1) Call the post you can't refute off topic thereby giving you an "out" because you have no rebuttal, or 2) Call it a personal attack, or 3) Just rubber stamp whatever MMfA says.

                      That's all you ever have.
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                      • Author by vhw28672478 (March 01, 2010 3:40 pm ET)
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                        You are wrong prove it
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                      • Author by shaggles (March 01, 2010 3:45 pm ET)
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                        Get a room.
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                      • Author by pongotwistleton (March 01, 2010 3:46 pm ET)
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                        Dippy calls someone "SeaSlug," but then insists she doesn't personally attack. I know she's an idiot, but. .. .

                        Beyond that, what's pathetic, but still amusing, is that she actually cares whether someone posts a comment that may only be collaterally related to mmfa's article.
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                        • Author by DellDolly (March 01, 2010 10:32 pm ET)
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                          Calling some anonymous poster on a blog SeaSlug when his screen name is SeaHawk is not "attacking" someone.

                          If his given name was John, and I consistently made bathroom jokes about his name, that'd be a personal attack.

                          Making fun of a screen name because of the offensive trollish behavior that the anonymous poster has exhibited is not a personal attack.

                          Get a clue.
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                      • Author by DellDolly (March 01, 2010 10:29 pm ET)
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                        Actually, I ALWAYS address points raised in posts.

                        1) If the point raised in a post is off-topic, I address that fact! I don't ever call an on-topic post "off-topic" because I have no rebuttal.

                        But thanks for not proving your allegation with a single example of that. I always appreciate it when people crater their own argument by failing to provide any documentation of their allegations!

                        2) I call personal attacks "personal attacks". Again, you can't provide a single example of a time when I called something that wasn't a personal attack a "personal attack". It doesn't happen.

                        3) I do often agree with MMFA, but I also often expand upon it. I do lots of other things too, but yeah, comments should relate to the articles that MMFA posts, and since they post factual information, it'd be really hard for someone who stays true to the truth to object to most anything that MMFA posts! However, they did misread a poll in a post earlier today, and I corrected them on it in the thread.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (March 01, 2010 1:18 pm ET)
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        The opposition party usually gains seats in off-year elections. Why would 2010 be any different...?

        Right wingers have a tendency to pat themselves on the back waaaaaay too much.
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      • Author by cst (March 01, 2010 1:32 pm ET)
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        You're assuming that these Teapartiers, who CLAIM to be non-partisan, will vote Republican. But if they're legitimite in their anger about Washington, there's no reason for them to vote for the party that gave them eight years of Bush corruption and incompetence, is there? THAT's the real reason no one takes their talk seriously...because the people who claim to represent their movement are either liars, fools, or sell-outs.
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      • Author by Brutus (March 01, 2010 1:55 pm ET)
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        Yea, the November outcome will be just like what happened when the Tea Baggers got involved with the NY-23 race right? Oops, that did not work out to well for you guys did it?

        The little astroturf movement of about 70,000 people is no where near mainstream, so please stop drinking the Cool-Aid
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        • Author by highliter (March 01, 2010 5:21 pm ET)
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          Have you looked at any polls lately. And please tell me what state wide elections have the dems won since the TEA-Party movement began?
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          • Author by worrierking (March 01, 2010 5:30 pm ET)
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            Of the elections won by Republicans recently, how much of an influence have the tea parties had?

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            • Author by highliter (March 01, 2010 5:39 pm ET)
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              Apparently enough to win! Really a stupid question though there is really no way to measure how much influence they are having. Since all the people they have backed in state wide election have won they don’t seem to doing to bad.
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              • Author by worrierking (March 01, 2010 6:32 pm ET)
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                Really?

                Not in the MA senate race, not here in New Jersey's governor's race. The Democratic candidate in MA ran an inept campaign and the Democratic governor in New Jersey was a former Goldman Sachs CEO who was disliked by just about everyone.
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              • Author by whatIthink (March 01, 2010 6:55 pm ET)
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                "there is really no way to measure how much influence they are having.

                Then why are they constantly braying about how they swung the vote for Brown?
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          • Author by peace4all (March 02, 2010 8:32 am ET)
               
            NY 23. where there has not been a democrat elected in over a hundred years and once the tea party got involved even the republican endorsed the democrat.
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            • Author by highliter (March 02, 2010 1:43 pm ET)
                 
              Not a state wide election and why don’t you look up NY 23 before you go spouting non-sense about NY-23 not having a dem in 100 years. NY 23 had been recently redrawn to include some areas that hadn’t had a dem in 100 years but the majority had.

              Epic Fail
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              • Author by peace4all (March 02, 2010 1:52 pm ET)
                   
                yeah right, you make a bogus claim and then come up with really lame excuses as to the counter. your precious..lol
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      • Author by classicliberal2 (March 01, 2010 2:15 pm ET)
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        Establishment of straw-man noted.
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      • Author by So Fain (March 01, 2010 4:27 pm ET)
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        I can't wait!!!
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      • Author by Porkeater (March 01, 2010 9:00 pm ET)
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        Me so frighten! seahawks123 make prophecy! seahawks123 always right, so me must quake in boots!

        Sorry pal, you sound like a wannabe schoolyard bully.
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    • Author by nerzog (March 01, 2010 12:58 pm ET)
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      And then the FOXbots turn around and make fun of the way Nancy Pelosi looks... just an observation...
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    • Author by epkklk851 (March 01, 2010 12:59 pm ET)
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      Hey, Rethin', Nancy didn't say she was part of the Teabag movement. She said that Democrats had some things in common with the Teabaggers. I think the two of you are delusional, I'll stick with Nancy's take on reality. You can't have Dick Armey in charge and claim to be real grassroots. Now, there are some people out there who are the genuine article, but many of them have almost no knowledge of history and little understanding of government, they have come to you folks because they are angry and feel powerless and disenfranchised. You better be careful, because if you don't deliver for them, they will catch on, sooner or later, and they will leave you trying to find a new job.
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    • Author by ptluzzi59 (March 01, 2010 1:02 pm ET)
         
      these people are fools
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    • Author by marco21 (March 01, 2010 1:17 pm ET)
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      "We're toally grassroots. Now, I have to get on a bus paid for by Dick Armey's organization so I can make the next Tea Party."
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      • Author by MaineiacMan (March 01, 2010 1:30 pm ET)
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        Nancy Pelosi proclaimed several months ago that the Tea Parties were 'astroturf' that had been ginned up by the Republican Party.

        Now over the weekend she says - “but, you know, we share some of the views of the Tea Partiers in terms of the role of special interests in Washington D.C., as –it just has to stop,”

        Interesting that she now says that she shares some of the views of a movement that she basically called fake months ago.

        Shared views? So is she now proclaiming herself to be A) astroturf B) Republican C) a 'Tea Partier' or D) a liar
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        • Author by benjr (March 01, 2010 2:12 pm ET)
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          Bull. By saying that she agrees with some Tea Party viewpoints concerning special interests she does not repudiate her criticism that it was created by the Republican Party. Unless you missed it, the Dems and Repubs do share a number of ideals.
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        • Author by ScienceBuff (March 01, 2010 2:19 pm ET)
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          Wow, that is one horrible display of logic.

          I have no religious faith. If I were to point out one particular issue on which I agree with the Catholic church, would that immediately make me a Catholic? Of course, not. That's exactly the way to view Pelosi's statement. She sought to establish one piece of common ground with the teabaggers (for whatever reason) and that was the extent of it. Doing so is far, far, FAR from a statement of membership in that group.

          The origins of the teabaggers is definitely astroturf. Those origins don't mean that the group doesn't actually exist. The two are not mutually exclusive. That's another exercise in lousy logic on your part.
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          • Author by Nibor (March 01, 2010 3:22 pm ET)
               
            Not sure how we missed this, but I think that is the same Amy Kremer who met with Steele a few weeks ago. Check out MSNBC Andrea Mitchell. So are we to believe her GOP employer had nothing to do with that meeting.

            Oh simple why FOX would give that pasty white whale face time. The PAC paid them a quarter of a million during their last bus tours.

            Pay and play baby. They all do it.
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        • Author by nerzog (March 01, 2010 3:02 pm ET)
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          So, when the Troglodytes cite Jack Bauer as an expert on Terrorism Policy, what does that say about them?
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    • Author by jgangstahippie7:18 (March 01, 2010 2:58 pm ET)
         
      Did she really refer to the US having the best healthcare system in the world?
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    • Author by vhw28672478 (March 01, 2010 3:38 pm ET)
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      tea party is a joke
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      • Author by pongotwistleton (March 01, 2010 4:29 pm ET)
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        prove it
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        • Author by jeffro (March 01, 2010 4:53 pm ET)
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          Proof? Until the Teaparty movement addresses the Trillions of tax dollars missing from the Pentagon due to crony corporate contractors,I cannot respect them or take anything they do seriously. Until they acknowledge the scope of this theft they will be nothing but Tea BAGGERS to me. How's that PongoPunk?
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          • Author by inbow (March 01, 2010 6:26 pm ET)
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            All I see in the teabaggers, is a lot of liily-white crazies.
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          • Author by diamonds (March 01, 2010 9:25 pm ET)
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            Trillions of tax dollars? The entire federal budget is only 4 trillion iirc, and the military gets half a trillion... Would you point me to the headline where the Pentagon squandered more than a trillion dollars, because that's just wrong if it's true (it's just wrong at any amount, but I think trillion-with-a-T deserves some urgency).
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            • Author by classicliberal2 (March 01, 2010 10:17 pm ET)
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              Trillions of tax dollars? The entire federal budget is only 4 trillion iirc, and the military gets half a trillion... Would you point me to the headline where the Pentagon squandered more than a trillion dollars, because that's just wrong if it's true (it's just wrong at any amount, but I think trillion-with-a-T deserves some urgency).

              Way back in 2002, before the Bush military spending orgy, the Pentagon admitted it could not account for $2.3 trillion in transactions. It's much more than that by now.
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              • Author by diamonds (March 02, 2010 11:34 pm ET)
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                Over a period of years, or...? That's 65% of the federal government's yearly budget, and 290% of the entire national defense. I think the keyword here is in transactions which implies money that neither the pentagon nor taxpayers aren't responsible for, or maybe it was a mistake for billion because that's happened before (I recall right-wingers all over Nancy Pelosi for "billions of jobs"). But what do I know, Google doesn't turn up much. Thanks for the link.
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                • Author by jeffro (March 03, 2010 1:54 am ET)
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                  I think the keyword here is in transactions which implies money that neither the pentagon nor taxpayers aren't responsible for, or maybe it was a mistake for billion because that's happened before
                  Wow.You just spun yourself silly with that nonsensical drivel. You just demonstrated your serious mental illness. Please seek help.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
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            • Author by DellDolly (March 01, 2010 10:36 pm ET)
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              Geez.

              You'd think that your side would have found SOME posters who had the common sense to do some research on their own before accusing someone of making something up!!!

              I typed "Pentagon missing trillions" into Google, and came up with 5.8 million matches!!!

              I mean, really, this isn't rocket science!
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        • Author by Porkeater (March 01, 2010 9:01 pm ET)
             
          I hold that truth to be self-evident.
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    • Author by whatIthink (March 01, 2010 6:58 pm ET)
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      Somebody explain this to me. A group that was formed by republican political operatives, funded by a republican pac goes onto a republican propaganda network to protest being called "astroturf"? What? This is like Oath Keepers going to an NRA meeting held at a gun store to protest being called gun crazy.
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    • Author by diamonds (March 01, 2010 9:35 pm ET)
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      Let's assume for a moment that all of this is true and not even misleading (cherry-picking all these quotes like this, even if true, is implying that all "tea parties" operate like this which is patently false). So what? It's still being funded by someone who is just as American as the rest of us, and it's still being attended by American citizens.

      What about when ACORN bussed people to CEO's houses and banks to protest defaults on mortgages? How about various Soros-funded campaigns? MSNBC? Organizing for America? That's Astroturfing, and you have every right to do it. I fully support the ability of the people to (peacefully) say those things, I don't care who organized it, even when I happen to disagree.

      I don't see the difference, but what I do see is if it's the Right, it's supposed to be wrong, if it's the Left, it's promoting fairness, or some equally bizarre rationale.
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      • Author by Kikabi (March 01, 2010 10:36 pm ET)
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        It seems to me that the difference is that "astroturfed" activities, like ACORN bussing people and the "various Soros-funded campaigns," never claimed to be grassroots. Unlike Tea Party Express, which keeps insisting that it is totally grassroots when it's been proven that its not.

        The difference has to do with the truth, plain and simple.

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      • Author by whatIthink (March 01, 2010 11:32 pm ET)
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        Yep, I'm gonna have to go with Kikabi on this one. If they (the TPE) are so willing lie and hide the truth about their organization, what else are they lying about?

        If I told you that I was George Clooney, even when it was pointed out that I neither lookd like nor sounded like nor even had the same skin color as George Clooney, would you believe anything else I said?

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        • Author by diamonds (March 02, 2010 11:42 pm ET)
             
          Perhaps it's a difference in definition of "grassroots." If you want to say that you can only be grassroots if you reject all corporate and political party funding, than it sounds like, with what I know, the TPE isn't grassroots. But if you want to claim it's founded outside of the parties, then it very well could be. I don't think anyone will deny that the "tea party" movement as a whole is grassroots, for any meaningful definition of grassroots. That said, political parties really want to hijack these movements to their advantage, if you can't dismiss them, join them. And, for better or worse, it looks like the Republican party (and Nancy Pelosi now?) are trying to do just that.
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    • Author by politeradical (March 02, 2010 3:30 am ET)
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      Jim DeMint, in an interview with Sean "LITERALLY RADICAL" Hannity, actually said of a recent local election (can't remember which):

      We didn't have time to get grass roots movements in place.


      Um Senator, it doesn't work that way. You want to learn about grass roots? Read some history about the thousands of "blood for oil" protests during Shrub's tenure.

      And they did it without corporate sponsorship, demagogue-tanks like Freedom Works or AEI and without organization, advertisement and promotion by a propaganda network.
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      • Author by diamonds (March 02, 2010 11:44 pm ET)
           
        Politicians can be involved in some grassroots campaigns, or be the center of focus, or the organizer of those campaigns. I would argue Obama was largely elected with grassroots support, or at least grassroots-style campaigning.
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        • Author by jeffro (March 03, 2010 1:58 am ET)
             
          diamonds. You are a Fox groupie. Seek the Truth.You will be a better person for it.
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