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Right-wing media outraged by labor representation on deficit commission

March 01, 2010 1:21 pm ET — 113 Comments

Right-wing media figures have asserted that SEIU president Andy Stern's appointment to President Obama's bipartisan deficit reduction commission is a "mockery," a "joke," and a "cover to raise taxes and soak the rich." However, Stern is the only labor representative on the panel; Obama also appointed two business leaders and members of both parties, including former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-WY), who will serve as co-chair of the commission.

Right-wing media attack Stern's appointment to deficit commission

Fox & Friends asks if Stern appointment is "just a cover to raise taxes and soak the rich." On the March 1 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Steve Doocy asked if Stern's appointment was "just a cover to raise taxes and soak the rich." After co-host Brian Kilmeade asked Fox Business contributor Stuart Varney if the deficit commission was "a trap," Varney replied, "The answer to your question is yes," calling Stern a "very big spender" and a "class warrior." Varney also asserted that Stern's appointment means "[t]hey're not going to look at cutting spending. They're not going to look at reigning in entitlement programs."

Malkin: "Biggest sign that White House deficit panel is a joke: O wants to appoint Andy Stern." On February 22, Michelle Malkin called Stern's appointment to the panel the "[b]iggest sign that [the] White House deficit panel is a joke." Malkin claimed that Stern's appointment made the panel "not just a dog-and-pony show. It's a dog-pony-and-thug show," and called Stern a "corruptocrat."

Hot Air: Stern "represents the problem ... not the solution." In a February 26 blog post, Hot Air blogger Ed Morrissey said Stern represents "the problem that Congress faces in making tough budget decisions -- not the solution," claiming Stern "has a vested interest in keeping federal employees on the job, as his union mainly represents public-sector workers." Morrissey added, "We can expect that this panel will recommend tax hikes in order to maintain that cash flow and to subsidize Democratic power."

American Thinker: "Stern's appointment to the deficit commission a mockery." On February 28, Greg Halvorson of American Thinker called Stern's appointment to the commission "a mockery." Halvorson accused unions of "destroy[ing] fiscal prudence" and "draining budgets," and claimed that "placing Stern on the deficit commission to influence budgetary matters has the dual affect of undermining both the commission and the president."

Daily Caller post: "Administration keeping cozy with union bosses." In a March 1 Daily Caller post, Ivan Osorio, editorial director at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, wrote that Stern's appointment was "disappointing" but "not surprising," calling the appointment a "clear conflict of interest" because "government employee unions constitute a permanent special interest lobby favoring the growth of government, one that is motivated, organized and well-funded." Osorio further stated that Stern is likely to call "for higher taxes to fund more 'public services' for SEIU to unionize."

But Obama's appointees reflect positions from both parties, business, and labor

Obama named Republican as co-chair of commission. The White House stated in a February 18 press release that "former White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles and former Republican Senate Whip Alan Simpson will serve as the Commission's co-chairs." The press release further noted that "Alan Simpson served as a U.S. Senator from Wyoming from 1979 to 1997. From 1985 to 1995, he was the Republican whip in the Senate, and he also chaired the Senate Finance Committee's Subcommittee on Social Security."

Obama appointed two members with business backgrounds. The Wall Street Journal called Obama's four non-chairman appointments "four names of widely different backgrounds." In addition to Simpson and Bowles, the commission includes two members with business backgrounds -- Republican and Honeywell CEO David Cote, and Ann Fudge, former CEO of Young & Rubicam Brands and executive at General Mills and Kraft -- Stern, the one representative from labor, and Alice Rivlin, who the Journal called "the widely respected founding director of the Congressional Budget Office and one of the nation's most authoritative voices on the federal debt."

Washington Post: Any action on the panel "would depend on the support of at least two Republicans." According to The Washington Post, based on the panel's rules, "Fourteen commission members would have to agree on any deficit-reduction plan, a prospect that skeptics called a recipe for gridlock because action would depend on the support of at least two Republicans for a plan that is sure to include tax increases."

The Hill: "Obama leans toward centrists on new deficit-reduction panel." The Hill described Obama's appointments as a "roster of centrists who helped reduce deficits during the 1990s." The article called the appointments an "effort to stock the panel with centrists" that appeared to be "aimed at paving the way for compromises between current Democratic and Republican lawmakers."

Republican leaders will appoint six members to the commission. According to the White House, in addition to the six members chosen by Obama, "12 members will be appointed by Senate/House leaders (3 each by the Republican and Democratic leaders of both chambers). All must be sitting members of Congress."

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    • Author by tchb (March 01, 2010 1:49 pm ET)
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      "Soak the rich"? After all the Bush tax cuts and all the IRS loopholes, and their capitalistic system syphons the wealth of the middle/lower classes into their coffers; the rich have soaked us long enough. What percentage of their total income goes for taxes compared to the percentage of workers' income goes for taxes?
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    • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 2:02 pm ET)
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      If doesn't amount to a bag of beans. The dollar's collapse will occur withing the next 5-10 years. That will occur before any of the decisions can be put into place.

      One of many links to demise of dollar

      We'll all be wearing our Maoist tee shirts and reporting to factories soon.




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      • Author by peace4all (March 01, 2010 2:09 pm ET)
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        HELP!!! HELP!! the sky is falling, the world is ending.

        you guys really need a new shtick.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 01, 2010 2:12 pm ET)
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          Across this country, a certain group of misinformed working people will be outraged that Labor has any input. Then they'll complain about the lack of power they have against their employer.
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          • Author by peace4all (March 01, 2010 2:22 pm ET)
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            it is pretty amazing how this group will bad mouth labor without even realizing that the only reason they have "good" jobs now is because of all the hard work that labor has done over the years.
            and you are exactly right. after they help the corporations destroy labor they will then go on to whine that we libruls are the reason that the corporations are taking away all their good jobs. that's the trouble with only have the depth of thought of right wing talking points.
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          • Author by peace4all (March 01, 2010 2:48 pm ET)
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            please see above post.
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          • Author by txthinker (March 01, 2010 4:28 pm ET)
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            Isn't George Sorros the financial arm behind MM?

            No.
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            • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 4:34 pm ET)
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              You're a disgrace to Texas.

              “Media Matters for America, the group headed by conservative turned liberal writer David Brock, has changed course on its stated association with billionaire liberal financier George Soros.

              After initially claiming on Dec. 1, 2004 that “neither Media Matters nor its president and CEO David Brock has received any money from Soros or from any organization with which he is affiliated,” the group is no longer disavowing any connection with groups “affiliated” with Soros.

              The Media Matters shift came after Cybercast News Service questioned the group’s financial ties and demonstrated that there were numerous and extensive links between Media Matters and several Soros “affiliates” like MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress and Soros ally Peter Lewis.


              Link to Soros connection with MM

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              • Author by LibLieDestroyer (March 01, 2010 7:27 pm ET)
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                Again - good job Jose.... Hit them with facts... and the thread (along with the ad hom attacks) amazingly ends!
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              • Author by whatIthink (March 01, 2010 9:06 pm ET)
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                You're using CNS as your reference to point to partisan sponsorship? That's rich. Either you have no idea what irony means or you really are that dense.
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          • Author by carlileb5935 (March 01, 2010 7:31 pm ET)
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            MMFA has no connection to George Soros.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 02, 2010 9:14 am ET)
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            Dude, I love your hat! Nice and shiny! Did you make it yourself, or buy it from some derranged, homeless guy?

            --------------------------------------------------------
            Cuckoo - Cuckoo - Cuckoo
            Either it's 3:00 or YOU'RE CRAZY.
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        • Author by highliter (March 01, 2010 5:35 pm ET)
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          Ya that global warming crap is getting old!
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          • Author by vhw28672478 (March 01, 2010 7:13 pm ET)
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            You are wrong global warming is a fact
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            • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 9:29 pm ET)
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              It was a fact during the Medieval Period.

              Even the idiot Professor Jones is now admitting it.

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              • Author by foghornleghorn (March 02, 2010 11:44 am ET)
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                Q: You know what the difference between medieval times and today are?

                A: About 6 billion humans.
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                • Author by highliter (March 02, 2010 1:44 pm ET)
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                  Ok and with 6 billion less humans how was it possible warmer than today?
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        • Author by D-Man_Scientist (March 01, 2010 11:49 pm ET)
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          I thought that was the global warmers' schtick.
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      • Author by loonz (March 01, 2010 4:02 pm ET)
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        Seek psychiatric help immediately.
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    • Author by shaggles (March 01, 2010 2:26 pm ET)
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      This is no surprise. It should be clear by now that the Republican Party and their supporters don't just want a seat at the table. They want all the seats.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (March 01, 2010 2:29 pm ET)
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      Actually, it is a very good idea to bring labor into the deficit discussions. Pensions are a big cost for employers. If we want to make any reforms in how things are done, we will need to see about reducing costs of lots of things. If we are to get union members to sign off on pension changes, then we will need to have them at the table. It ignore an organization that represents millions of unionized employees is stupid. It just goes to show the Right's contempt for the working person.
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      • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 4:09 pm ET)
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        What's good about it?

        I think it's better that they're no where near when they learn that their pensions and benefits are gone.

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        • Author by epkklk851 (March 01, 2010 4:22 pm ET)
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          You can think all you want, but it doesn't make it good. Unions represent about 12.5% of American workers. The unions negotiated pensions and other benefits in lieu of higher wages. To ignore them is to make trouble. Or maybe you would like to go back to the days when unions weren't allowed a place at the table and workers got screwed over by the system. Labor history is filled to overflowing with violence and death because workers were trying to defend themselves. I have no desire to go back to those days.
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          • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 4:57 pm ET)
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            I worked at a university where they changed my retirement plan from something great to something ridiculous. I accepted lower pay for this great benefit.

            Since I was not in a union I represented myself and renegotiated by retirement package. The idiot university brains calculated 10% inflation per year when they renegotiated my benefit 20 years ago. I am going to make out like a bandit.

            The best thing about unions is you can herd the workers around like cattle. When you lose all your benefits it will be your union that takes the heat, not your employer. Idiots!!


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            • Author by foghornleghorn (March 01, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
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              The best thing about unions is you can herd the workers around like cattle

              Your view of unions must have been formed by the Lee J. Cobb character in On The Waterfront.
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            • Author by roundhouse (March 01, 2010 5:45 pm ET)
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              The union is the best friend the working man has ever had. It's that simple.
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              • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 5:54 pm ET)
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                Let me hear a big 'moo' from you!

                Unions are like cattle on their way to the slaughter.

                You will see when all of your pensions and benefits are gone.

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                • Author by roundhouse (March 01, 2010 6:07 pm ET)
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                  Last I checked it was those Wall St punks who destroyed our pensions.

                  Can I get a big moo form you my corporate lackey friend?
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                  • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 6:21 pm ET)
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                    I have my retirement where Wall St punks cannot get their paws on it.

                    So instead of a moo, would you settle for a woo hoo?

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                    • Author by vhw28672478 (March 01, 2010 7:14 pm ET)
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                      You are wrong wall st punks will get their paws on it
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                      • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 7:17 pm ET)
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                        You may want to study diversification.

                        It goes against the union philosophy of herding cattle but maybe if you find a secret place you can investigate it.

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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 01, 2010 7:42 pm ET)
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              ...they changed my retirement plan from something great to something ridiculous. I accepted lower pay for this great benefit.


              You took a pay cut in exchange for a lousy retirement plan ? What a chump.
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          • Author by caseye (March 02, 2010 7:41 am ET)
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            There are now many laws in place to protect the worker, unions were formed when those laws were not in place so it was important to protect those workers. There are a few unions that need to be maintained (such as firefighters, police, jobs where lives are in danger) but far too many are not necessary and cause companies to move overseas. That is just the facts! And at some point everyone has to realize it and understand that American jobs are at stake because of so many unions.
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            • Author by Johaely (March 02, 2010 8:07 pm ET)
                 
              They move overseas, becuase the company loses money by actually serving his employees like they serve them. Its just pure and simple greed.
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      • Author by LibLieDestroyer (March 01, 2010 7:28 pm ET)
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        Yes, you are right it is a good idea to bring Big Labor into the deficit discussions to demonstrate what needs changed....
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      • Author by caseye (March 02, 2010 7:33 am ET)
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        I think it is the fact that Andy Stern has done a terrible job managing the union pensions. They are not sustainable under his management so he is not the person to go to for advise. Yes, they do need the labor unions input because there are serious financial problems in their benefits programs that will probably end up costing the rest of us plenty, but to have this man involved in forming any kind of policy is a huge mistake.
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        • Author by raddave43 (March 02, 2010 2:44 pm ET)
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          Andy Stern is the head of ONE union and may manage one union's pension he does not manage "the union pensions"
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    • Author by denbengerman (March 01, 2010 2:30 pm ET)
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      Stuart Varney said Stern is a "class warrior"? Because of who he represents, I can only assume that Stern is a warrior for the working class in this country. Please don't tell me that an individual fighting for the working class in this country is a bad thing. Also, could the high income wage earners, through their pundit mouthpieces, instead of just lying and complaining about what the working class receives, enlighten the masses on what the average working man or woman in this country should be paid, just so we might have the chance to really know what they think of us?
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    • Author by scanlontodd9871 (March 01, 2010 4:19 pm ET)
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      Those buildings and studios they are broadcasting from are no doubt built from union labor. They better get out quick.
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      • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 4:40 pm ET)
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        They better let the marijuana smokers out of the prisons that union labor built too.

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    • Author by wesley (March 01, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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      -- Any action on the panel "would depend on the support of at least two Republicans." -- WaPo

      From the nitpick dept....it requires the support of at least 4 republicans to reach the required level of 14.

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    • Author by roundhouse (March 01, 2010 5:31 pm ET)
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      What's the big fuss? We should, as Teddy Roosevelt said, raise capital gains taxes. Raise the hell out of the taxes on these rich punks. They've had it far too easy for far too long.

      What a buncha anti-America, anti-tax, sissy whiners America's elite have become.
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      • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 5:39 pm ET)
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        Absolutely, punish the hell out of them, garnish the hell out of their earnings and tank the hell of out of job growth and economic vitality. Level the hell out of the playing field.

        Btw, you think becoming "rich" and making lots of money is "far too easy for far too long"? I guess when you sit back and feel entitled to other people's money, laziness and jealousy set it. I understand that.
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        • Author by roundhouse (March 01, 2010 5:42 pm ET)
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          Don't care what you think to be honest. Capital gains require zero labor. We honor work in this country, not idle accumulation of wealth.
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          • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
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            If it's so damn easy to accumulate wealth then why is it so damn difficult for you and those you supposedly speak for to do it?
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            • Author by roundhouse (March 01, 2010 5:50 pm ET)
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              Do you understand the difference between income tax and capital gains tax? If you did, it seems like you would be with me in opposing the accumulation of wealth by sitting on your duff and playing mere games in the stock market. But hey, if you like that brand of Paris Hilton conservatism that rewards making fortunes for doing nothing, so be it. I'll work for mine thank you very much!
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              • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 5:57 pm ET)
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                Because it's double dipping. Tax was already paid. That's why. Of course it's all about Paris Hilton with you class warfare fanatics.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (March 01, 2010 6:30 pm ET)
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                  It's only class warfare when the poor and middle class fight for equality. It's business as usual when the tax cuts went to the top 1%.

                  Did I get it right?
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                  • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 6:38 pm ET)
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                    It's class warfare when you feel entitled to somebody else's money.
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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (March 01, 2010 6:42 pm ET)
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                      Was it class warfare when, due to Bush's economic policy, the wealth divide between the rich and poor in the US progressed to it's widest level in 80+ years?

                      Can there be class warfare against the poor/middle class?

                      Were the wealthy in this country entitled to a larger share of MY wealth?
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                      • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 6:44 pm ET)
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                        Well you've got Obama now, not Bush anymore, so you can stop worrying about working hard and sit back and reap the rewards for mediocrity. Things are looking up.
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            • Author by roundhouse (March 01, 2010 5:53 pm ET)
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              "If it's so damn easy to accumulate wealth then why is it so damn difficult for you and those you supposedly speak for to do it?"

              According to you it is easy, all you have to do is work hard. When did you join me in my understanding that our system is broken? When did you realize that all that wealth is out of reach for poor folks because the rich are protecting their wealth and making all the rules?
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              • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 5:58 pm ET)
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                That's a classic excuse. How do you think poor people become rich? Because it does happen, every day. Not for those who look for handouts however. Perhaps that is your roadblock.
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                • Author by Old_Benjamin (March 01, 2010 6:29 pm ET)
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                  How do you think poor people become rich? Because it does happen, every day.
                  rO

                  It's called "Powerball", but seriously, got anything to back that up?

                  The study shows that class mobility has decreased over the past few decades. While the study shatters the myth that working hard will lead to a better station in life, it shores up the idea that "the rich are getting richer."

                  Link
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                  • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 6:35 pm ET)
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                    I never said it just takes working hard, but I will say that if you don't work hard you A) have no business complaining and B) needn't worry about studies that shatter myths about how working hard will not lead to a better station in life.
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                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (March 01, 2010 6:40 pm ET)
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                      LOL!

                      Because it does happen, every day.



                      And of course you wouldn't even look at the study cause it's just making "excuses" for people to be poor and take from the rich. Gotcha.
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                      • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 6:43 pm ET)
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                        Why don't you spend your spare time working a second or third job, nights and weekends, instead of worrying about studies to make you feel better about not working hard. Really productive.
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                        • Author by Old_Benjamin (March 01, 2010 6:47 pm ET)
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                          I can do both champ - it's called "multi-tasking". It's too bad you can't do it though. Then you would perhaps see some of your assuptions are just silly.
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                          • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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                            I've seen a ton of reasons and excuses why working hard is just too hard, or doesn't pay off, yours is nothing new pardner'
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                        • Author by cugagcmu805031 (March 01, 2010 11:32 pm ET)
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                          Why would 2, 3, or even 4 jobs be necessary when you can make more money working one job? I did. I went to college, landed a great job, then went to grad school and beyond, worked 33 years, and retired young without having to work after retiring. I used my brain to get a really great job right out of college. It must suck to be you, but I'm sitting pretty.
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                  • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 6:37 pm ET)
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                    Oh, and if you take comfort in studies that excuse not working hard in order to justify that it doesn't work anyway, good for you.
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                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (March 01, 2010 6:49 pm ET)
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                      You sad pathetic little man. Once again, knowlegde is like kryptonite to you. Wouldn't want anything intruding on those preconceived notions you hold about the world around you

                      I gotta go because your stupidity interferes with my normally happy outlook.
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                      • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 6:53 pm ET)
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                        Lash out at somebody else. I simply said that working hard can pay off. You immediately come to me with some study poo poohing that. YOu should be really proud. Ridiculous. If you can't see the inherent advantages, economic and otherwise from hard work, then too bad. Why liberals shoot that concept down whenever they can is beyond me. And tells me you, or they, just don't want to put forth the effort. But rather diss it instead.

                        Is that what your parents taught you? I doubt it.
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                        • Author by Old_Benjamin (March 01, 2010 6:58 pm ET)
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                          No - they taught me to read for comprehension.

                          And my point with the link was to demonstrate that the easily requrgitated "the rich worked hard to get where they are" nonsense is just a platitude. There are studies that show there is more economic mobility in places like Germany, France (and gulp) Canada than in the US. I'd link to them, but you wouldn't understand and then get mad because someone disturbed your silly alternate world which you appear to inhabit.
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                          • Author by DellDolly (March 01, 2010 10:19 pm ET)
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                            Wow - you got him so riled up he stayed past his regular quitting time of 6:45 - 8 minutes later!

                            You really got his goat!
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                • Author by Johaely (March 02, 2010 8:11 pm ET)
                     
                  luck has a much higher effect on becoming "rich" than does your notion of "hard work", and that is in the so called "Real" jobs, not in entertainment jobs, where hard work has a higher effect.
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            • Author by carlileb5935 (March 01, 2010 7:33 pm ET)
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              If it's so damn easy to accumulate wealth then why is it so damn difficult for you and those you supposedly speak for to do it?

              Because we have other priorities. Nutty, right?

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          • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 5:45 pm ET)
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            And the way to honor work is through job creation, who the hell do you think does that?
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            • Author by roundhouse (March 01, 2010 5:57 pm ET)
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              Whatever. If you can't afford, or refuse, to pay living wages, ya have no business starting a business. Slave wages are slave wages no matter how rich your boss is.
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              • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 5:59 pm ET)
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                "Whatever" is your answer to who creates jobs? If the question is above your head, there again is your roadblock.
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                • Author by roundhouse (March 01, 2010 6:02 pm ET)
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                  I've made my point. You can sit there and try to twist my words all day.

                  I'm done.

                  Later.
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                  • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 6:24 pm ET)
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                    No prob. Those that dump on rich employers and those that make money never can seem to square that anger when asked who in our society actually creates the jobs? Because you know the answer, we all do.
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                    • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 01, 2010 7:48 pm ET)
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                      A job is created when two parties enter into a contract to exchange some labor or service for pay. I know you love to think that rich people "create jobs", but that's just the inferiority complex of the right wing mind coming to the surface.

                      Unless you're really rich and imagine you "create jobs", in which case you're a deluded narcissist.
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                      • Author by John Paradox (March 02, 2010 1:14 am ET)
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                        The Neocon idea is 'supply creates demand', it's associated with the VooDoo economics that Bush 41 originally called the Regan Economic plan.

                        In fact, the entirety of Economics is 'labor'. If you have a car company, you need labor (at least to repair the robots, if you've gone totally automated), to get raw materials, you need miners and steelworkers, and to sell the completed product, you need salespeople.
                        Look at any business, and the basic operation is 'labor', with management simply shuffling numbers and taking their cut 'off the top'. (As current American Business operates)

                        I've always considered pay to workers as 'remibursement' for time and talent, not 'income'.
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                        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 02, 2010 1:16 am ET)
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                          If there were no "employers", workers would go out and work to make sure they had food and shelter.

                          If there were no workers, employers would die.

                          I think it's pretty clear who "creates jobs".
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                • Author by carlileb5935 (March 01, 2010 7:38 pm ET)
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                  Consumers create jobs, not rich people or businessmen. It's a total LIE to claim otherwise.
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            • Author by carlileb5935 (March 01, 2010 7:36 pm ET)
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              And the way to honor work is through job creation, who the hell do you think does that?

              Jobs are created by consumer demand-- which means the people. Businessmen do NOT create jobs-- they respond to demand only.

              This idea that the "rich" are our "job creators" or are our best people is such a canard. It's a hoax.
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            • Author by wookie (March 01, 2010 8:28 pm ET)
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              Customers with decent wages to spend.
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          • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 6:29 pm ET)
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            Capital gains require zero labor?

            What planet did you come from???

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            • Author by southerngal (March 01, 2010 6:35 pm ET)
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              Because they are all like Paris Hilton, surely you know that. It's a fact in liberal class warfare 101
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            • Author by carlileb5935 (March 01, 2010 7:40 pm ET)
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              Yup, all those rich investors sweating up a storm-- especially the family-wealth ones-- I cry real tears for them all.

              They are our best people, really...
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      • Author by LibLieDestroyer (March 01, 2010 7:29 pm ET)
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        Yes! Soak the rich! That will work out perfect... until the productive members of society realize that they are being used and stop being productive... Who is John Galt?
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    • Author by OTP (March 01, 2010 7:02 pm ET)
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      Does he REALLY represent anyone but a few labor union executives?
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    • Author by diamonds (March 01, 2010 9:11 pm ET)
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      Did anyone actually claim that no republicans are serving? If not, then why are you pointing this out, but to imply that they did?

      They all made their point that Andy Stern is a joke, etc, do you have anything to counter this? Because otherwise MMfA is looking like a right-wing soap box.
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    • Author by whatIthink (March 01, 2010 9:17 pm ET)
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      Right ON's philosphy:

      Work hard, earn your pay, earn your advancements and things will work out and you'll get rich.

      But...

      Work hard, earn your pay, earn your advancements, and when your entire deparment is cut by 80% so that the corporate profit margin can be increased by a couple of points, you get laid off, you lose your savings by having to use them for basic needs like food, shelter, medical care, try to get a job but that's very hard to do because of the down economy more and more corporations are slashing back on employment to preserve their profits margins, and your retirement accounts have been wiped out because some bankers forgot they were playing with YOUR money, not theirs, well, it's all your fault. Guess you didn't work hard enough. Try to get your government to do something to rein in runaway corporate profits and bonuses for the top executives and you're just demanding that the government just give you money and take care of you.

      Nice philosophy. Dunce.
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      • Author by jose2 (March 01, 2010 9:21 pm ET)
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        Idiot's philosophy:

        Join the union, don't do anything unless the union authorizes you to do it, give your retirement money to the union bosses, get shafted, then blame the rich.

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        • Author by whatIthink (March 01, 2010 9:36 pm ET)
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          Better philosophy:

          Join a union, get a decent wage instead the lowest wage the company can get away with, work in a safe environment, know that someone is willing to go up against management to make sure things stay safe in the workplace, work with the piece of mind that the company can't treat you as just another expendable asset.
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          • Author by dave (March 01, 2010 11:28 pm ET)
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            But then when your company goes belly up because of that decent wage and other legacy benefits, whine to congress to get bailed out at taxpayer expense, of course.
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            • Author by roundhouse (March 02, 2010 4:27 am ET)
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              the heck you say. ain't nothin' but the belly up banks that be gettin' the all the bailouts these days, fool. it ain't the shared ownership businesses that are begging for funds today. it's the winner take all, ultra conservative, hands off, wall st. gamblers that can't get enough of the taxes you can't stand to part with steaming piles that are getting bailed out today, idiot.

              Obama don't give a sh*t about the working man. he's corporate to the bone. where's all that help for small business folk? where's all that reciprocal appreciation for the unions that was given in O's campaign? it's being sucked up by the bank of america, chase bank and all those other fat effing mother effers who control our nation's wealth, that's where.

              why don't you just stfu and get back to your gated "community" life you condescending, out of touch, over the hill has been pos?

              go buy yourself some security.

              go buy yourself some peace.

              go buy yourself a highway.

              go buy yourself a library.

              don't bother helping your fellow citizen.

              go to congress with your millions and beg that your capital gains remain free and clear of obstruction from us peons , you useless jerk, sit on your a** all day old man. i hear the supreme court is real sympathetic to your cause these these days with it's extreme right wing penchant for corporate personhood.

              here's how it is dave.

              real people have to work themselves to their grave because of elitists like you. people like you country club conservatives who honestly believe that you've never had, or needed a hand up, to achieve your status are the problem with America. An idiot like you would be nothing without that all-American ethic of shared prosperity.

              do some work for a change. lazy punk.

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              • Author by dave (March 02, 2010 10:34 am ET)
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                So you are claiming the auto industry didn't get bailout money, and I'm the one out of touch? Nice. They did. But I didn't vote for BO, I'm guessing you did. And I do appreciate your honesty in admitting that BO was buying votes from the unions. I've been saying for years that unions will always support the D, no matter how bad they get screwed. Suckers.
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    • Author by papa bear3 (March 02, 2010 9:29 am ET)
         
      what was that line from David Mamet when he was writing "Glenn Gary Glenn Ross'

      "Every great fortune was built upon a least one great crime"

      The many of us who are not wealthy have perhaps chosen not commit that "great crime."

      But today as Senator Bunning filibusters the unemployment extension millions are preparing for what they have to do next.

      without the ability to pay bills or buy food what do you think their alternative will be?
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    • Author by papa bear3 (March 02, 2010 9:29 am ET)
         
      what was that line from David Mamet when he was writing "Glenn Gary Glenn Ross'

      "Every great fortune was built upon a least one great crime"

      The many of us who are not wealthy have perhaps chosen not commit that "great crime."

      But today as Senator Bunning filibusters the unemployment extension millions are preparing for what they have to do next.

      without the ability to pay bills or buy food what do you think their alternative will be?
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    • Author by papa bear3 (March 02, 2010 9:29 am ET)
         
      what was that line from David Mamet when he was writing "Glenn Gary Glenn Ross'

      "Every great fortune was built upon a least one great crime"

      The many of us who are not wealthy have perhaps chosen not commit that "great crime."

      But today as Senator Bunning filibusters the unemployment extension millions are preparing for what they have to do next.

      without the ability to pay bills or buy food what do you think their alternative will be?
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      • Author by dave (March 02, 2010 11:20 am ET)
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        Sen Bunning is the only member of the GOP willing to stand up to the out of control spending. Finally. I wish they would have done this awhile ago, like before all of the bailouts, but you have to start somewhere, I guess.
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        • Author by DellDolly (March 02, 2010 3:57 pm ET)
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          Funding unemployment extensions and the other things covered by that emergency appropriation is not "out of control spending". It's necessary deficit spending.
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          • Author by dave (March 02, 2010 4:12 pm ET)
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            I'm guessing you find no spending "out of control" except maybe W's war? How are you budget cuts?
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        • Author by Johaely (March 02, 2010 8:19 pm ET)
             
          Sen. Bunning is cowardly A$$hole who only is "standing up" for his values now that there is no consequence to whatever he does because he is retiring.
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